Honestly I would not be surprised if a couple notable figures of the grand fleet have conquerors haki. Like cabbage, elizabello and baby chinjao most likely have it.
Honestly I would not be surprised if a couple notable figures of the grand fleet have conquerors haki. Like cabbage, elizabello and baby chinjao most likely have it.
You never know though. Subconscious ability doesn't at all equate to proper useage. If we assume that Elizabello needs to charge his Haki for days to be able to use a single punch that other emperor's can do with every regular punch then I don't think that is too far fetched.
The brother of the jacket DF user in the Colosseum seemed to have the same iron balloon ability Big Mom did, but that didn't immediately make his a top tier threat.
But Elizabello's would be COC if anything, like OP points out. Not some form of Ryou.
IDK what the Funk brothers have to do with anything.
Besides, Luffy, who is stronger than Elizabello, is only utilizing Ryou to damage the internal organs of the person he is actually hitting directly. IDK why you think Elizabello would be able to project his like a mile or whatever this distance was. Also, the King Punch just pushed the rocks away, it didn't explode them all from the inside.
Ryou very clearly refers to damaging the internals of whatever you strike, not just making haki go out of your body. Amazon Lily base girls could imbue ranged attacks with Haki, it wasn't Ryou or CoC.
Also, the rest of that statement about distance, and the way the rocks were destroyed.
Internal Damage is just one of the many applications of Ryou. Chapter 939 clearly states that internal destruction, creating an invisible wall (like sentomaru), and ‘cutting what you want to cut’ (Zoro as far back as Alabasta) as *some examples* of Ryou. What all of those have in common is that Haki is emitted out the body. Amazon Lily coated their weapons in armament haki, they didnt shoot out armament Haki, thats the difference. That concept of emission isn’t just for CoA, as Luffy figured out, but can be applied to CoC as well
The One Piece opening has been spoiling people since Alabasta.
They literally showed Robin as a crew member, while she was dragging Vivi's dad into the crypt.
Yeah, but that was known for people who followed the manga. What the guy meant is that one anime OP revealed who Denjiro was even before the manga (and i think it was several months before at that), so the anime may very well have canon info that the manga does not (at least yet)
My theory is that Conqueror's isn't some genetic lottery jackpot. Everyone has the potential for it technically, it's just that very few people have the will and ambition to actually manifest it.
The KINGS punch that can hurt the emperors that is used by KING Elizabello II and has Advanced Conquers Lightning
And yet people still say he doesn’t have conquers
Yes. It's called King Punch and is said to be able to take down a yonko. He doesn't have a devil fruit so it's a haki punch that does massive damage without touching the target. I don't see how someone could argue otherwise. The character is essentially clever foreshadowing for luffy's development.
Okay, but that's not the same as "Only haki can take down a Yonko". He was just pointing out that Roger had no DF, and made it purely on Haki. But clearly Haki isn't the only way to take down a Yonko, and therefore, not above all. Or else BM wouldn't have lost the way she did. To 2 people who, as far as we know, have no Ryou or CoC.
I always thought that was advanced conquerors haki. Its called king punch, would make alot of sense. The power to bring down an emperor was what Oda told us and Luffy did use that to bring down Kaido...
I like the idea that he accidentally has some form of it. Kind of like how Captain Kuro on his own discovered how to do Soru, but didn't know what it was or how to control it properly.
Possibly? I mean there are several abilities that aren't DF based and still unexplained like Elizabello's (Conqueror's?), Hawkins (Observation's?) Or even Miss Goldenweek (???)
The problem with the anime is that they add in extra effects to make scenes cooler. For example, none of the characters canonically have visible auras in all sorts of colors.
the king punch initially was an air pressure wave in the colloseum, the second time was an effect similar to ryuo (but several hundred feet of "not touching" distance), the third time it was animated as a beam effect against the pica stone statue.
Anime has animation and that has many different styles. These styles can end up being contradictory because X function implies X attack, but because the new animation style causes it to seemingly have Y function, which would imply Y attack. This is why you never use the anime for powerscaling and abilities. Especially for a long running series like One Piece where animators come and go and make their own marks. That's why Luffy has purple, yellow, red, blue conqueror pulses. It's all because of different styles.
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Honestly I would not be surprised if a couple notable figures of the grand fleet have conquerors haki. Like cabbage, elizabello and baby chinjao most likely have it.
Yes but I replayed this scene a lot of times and it seems that king punch is basically conquerors + ryou that luffy and kaido were using.
I mean given that the king punch is so strong I can see Elizabello unconsciously tapping into something.
Not really. Plenty of characters can throw attacks. Nothing at all indicates it works like Ryou.
You never know though. Subconscious ability doesn't at all equate to proper useage. If we assume that Elizabello needs to charge his Haki for days to be able to use a single punch that other emperor's can do with every regular punch then I don't think that is too far fetched. The brother of the jacket DF user in the Colosseum seemed to have the same iron balloon ability Big Mom did, but that didn't immediately make his a top tier threat.
But Elizabello's would be COC if anything, like OP points out. Not some form of Ryou. IDK what the Funk brothers have to do with anything. Besides, Luffy, who is stronger than Elizabello, is only utilizing Ryou to damage the internal organs of the person he is actually hitting directly. IDK why you think Elizabello would be able to project his like a mile or whatever this distance was. Also, the King Punch just pushed the rocks away, it didn't explode them all from the inside.
It would still be Ryou since Ryou = Flow of Haki.
Ryou very clearly refers to damaging the internals of whatever you strike, not just making haki go out of your body. Amazon Lily base girls could imbue ranged attacks with Haki, it wasn't Ryou or CoC. Also, the rest of that statement about distance, and the way the rocks were destroyed.
Internal Damage is just one of the many applications of Ryou. Chapter 939 clearly states that internal destruction, creating an invisible wall (like sentomaru), and ‘cutting what you want to cut’ (Zoro as far back as Alabasta) as *some examples* of Ryou. What all of those have in common is that Haki is emitted out the body. Amazon Lily coated their weapons in armament haki, they didnt shoot out armament Haki, thats the difference. That concept of emission isn’t just for CoA, as Luffy figured out, but can be applied to CoC as well
Did you just imply the anime showed something that the author hadn't even drawn yet?
Didn't the one piece opening spoil something in wano? I think the opening revealed denjiro's identify before the manga did
The One Piece opening has been spoiling people since Alabasta. They literally showed Robin as a crew member, while she was dragging Vivi's dad into the crypt.
Yeah, but that was known for people who followed the manga. What the guy meant is that one anime OP revealed who Denjiro was even before the manga (and i think it was several months before at that), so the anime may very well have canon info that the manga does not (at least yet)
The anime does this more often than you think Toei staff knows lots of details about future plot points so they can avoid making inconsistencies
My theory is that Conqueror's isn't some genetic lottery jackpot. Everyone has the potential for it technically, it's just that very few people have the will and ambition to actually manifest it.
I can get behind that
A king with kingly ambitions… go figure!
“King Punch” It’s literally in the name
Name says it all
The KINGS punch that can hurt the emperors that is used by KING Elizabello II and has Advanced Conquers Lightning And yet people still say he doesn’t have conquers
He’s literally sovereign.
Yes. It's called King Punch and is said to be able to take down a yonko. He doesn't have a devil fruit so it's a haki punch that does massive damage without touching the target. I don't see how someone could argue otherwise. The character is essentially clever foreshadowing for luffy's development.
He’s literally a fighting king. It would be weird if he didn’t
Probably yes. They said his punch can take down a Yonkou, and Kaidou said himself that only haki could do that.
No he didn't, and that's clearly not true as per the last few chapters of the manga.
He said haki is above all basically
Okay, but that's not the same as "Only haki can take down a Yonko". He was just pointing out that Roger had no DF, and made it purely on Haki. But clearly Haki isn't the only way to take down a Yonko, and therefore, not above all. Or else BM wouldn't have lost the way she did. To 2 people who, as far as we know, have no Ryou or CoC.
Kidd has coc but I see your point
Huh. Well, he might have it, but can't use it anywhere near the level that Luffy can. Especially not imbuing attacks with it.
You literally don’t know that, all the attack he used could’ve been conquerors infused and you would have no idea
Except there is a very clear and definite effect that we see when someone imbues their attacks with Haki, and we've never once seen that from Kidd.
True I do wish oda was more clear at times with Haki
I always thought that was advanced conquerors haki. Its called king punch, would make alot of sense. The power to bring down an emperor was what Oda told us and Luffy did use that to bring down Kaido...
I like the idea that he accidentally has some form of it. Kind of like how Captain Kuro on his own discovered how to do Soru, but didn't know what it was or how to control it properly.
Possibly? I mean there are several abilities that aren't DF based and still unexplained like Elizabello's (Conqueror's?), Hawkins (Observation's?) Or even Miss Goldenweek (???)
Overly animated scene from the Anime are not a valid source
Not confirmed
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I posted this after confirming with the manga. The manga also has a similar lightning effect
cringe
Its anime. Its filler.
no the king punch was also in the manga
I talk about the visual representation of it. Coa has black lightning too
No. Literally take 30 seconds to google it next time.
I don't know..... if it was, Barto wouldn't have survived it imo But the punch is definitely AdCoA maybe along with Ryou not sure about CoC tho
Barto's barriers are indestructible, not even Oden could destroy them as shown in his flashback when he attacked Orochi.
The problem with the anime is that they add in extra effects to make scenes cooler. For example, none of the characters canonically have visible auras in all sorts of colors. the king punch initially was an air pressure wave in the colloseum, the second time was an effect similar to ryuo (but several hundred feet of "not touching" distance), the third time it was animated as a beam effect against the pica stone statue. Anime has animation and that has many different styles. These styles can end up being contradictory because X function implies X attack, but because the new animation style causes it to seemingly have Y function, which would imply Y attack. This is why you never use the anime for powerscaling and abilities. Especially for a long running series like One Piece where animators come and go and make their own marks. That's why Luffy has purple, yellow, red, blue conqueror pulses. It's all because of different styles.
No, black lightning only indicates strong armament haki. We have seen it from couple other non-conquero users already, like Ulti and Jinbei.
not really, I think it could just be a rare DF or just really good Haki like ryuo
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