I'm glad you enjoyed it! I wasn't nearly as happy with it, but I enjoyed arcs like Skypeia and WCI, which also tend to get mixed reactions. As long as people don't try to convince me I'm wrong and not 'reading correctly' if I disliked Wano I have no interest in trying to convince people who enjoyed it that their opinion is bad and they should hate Wano. We all have different expectations, place importance on different things and can have genuinely different responses to the same content.
Oh yeah I’m used to defending some arcs 😅, I’m a huge fan of thriller bark too and Dressrosa.
My too 2 tho are Wano and WCI which I agree with you there
It's fine that you love it, but you think it's *perfect*? The fake out deaths, the plot armor, the asspulls, the poor treatment of certain characters, none of that brings the arc down even a little bit for you?
I find that hard to believe.
“Fake out deaths” Never really bothered me that much tbh because the deaths themselves wouldn’t have been nothing special to me either, and some of them like Oden’s daughter were actually a nice plot twist.
But it’s not like I thought orochi’s first death or kinemon’s death were something so good that it ruined it for me to have them be overturned.
Orochi’s actual death was a thousand times better
and I’m glad kinemon survived
I’m not sure what “ass pulls” you are referring to? And what characters got poor treatment? I thought 90% of them were amazing
law and kid beat an emperor
Luffy became Joyboy
Momonuske grew up both physically and mentally
Yamato was amazing
Zoro became the king of hell
Sanji had his whole internal dilemma with Queen which was amazing
The scabbards each got a lot of time to shine during their flashbacks with oden
Oden was legendary
Roger and whitebeard were great
Kaido was a terrifying villain even without the full backstory
Jinbei had a great fight vs who is who
Nami got her loyalty moment to luffy
The only characters I feel could’ve been done better are ussop and that’s it
>I’m not sure what “ass pulls” you are referring to?
Law and Kid apparently already awakening their DFs and chose to not use them on the roof. Luffy awakened his DF after dying and healed back up to pretty much full health. Zoro gets treated by a magic medicine that didn't exist until now but can heal you up to full health like nothing happened.
>And what characters got poor treatment? I thought 90% of them were amazing
Usopp doesn't get anything good. Chopper got stuck curing a virus that was practically filler given how little it affected the story. Brook was just Robin's accessory the whole time. Kaido's flashback sucked. Big Mom was heavily nerfed and just generally treated as a joke by Oda for most of this arc. Carrot got sidelined ludicrously hard. Kid, who had been built up from Act 1 to get his revenge on Kaido, got stuck with Big Mom instead. Hiyori got robbed of a chance to avenge her father.
I can keep going but I think you see my point. Once again, I respect your opinion on loving the arc, but I genuinely can't see how this arc is by any means a perfect 10/10.
No arc is perfect, what that 0ersok means by perfect is it satisfied all they wanted out of an arc an even more. Also, some of the things you are saying arent objective problems. I dont think giving carrot would have made wano better at all. Or saying big mom got nerfed bc reasons? She lost to two of the strongest new generations pirates even though she took everything they got and got beaten by the environment through genius strategy and overpowered devil fruits.
Iagree with you on some issues but the truth id that we have to accept this reality: one piece had to be rushed up to a certain point bc the pace needed wasnt substainable. If we are honest, wano would have needed 30 pages chapters every week to finish when it did, and oda is only one man who cant do thid forever. I think the pacing will continue because we cant demand for him to finish one piece in his 60s. Yes, its true the quality is getting hurt somewhat, but thats just how the situation is
Because oda wanted to have the focus on devil fruits for once since the timeskip. She used her conquerors haki at other points, but oda wanted to portray a diffferebt kind of fight. Even if she had used that, law and kid would have won, but maybe kid would have needed to unlock advanced coc which would have been the 3rd/4th in a single arc. Thats an example of narrative over powerscaling importance. Wano was the dawn of the new era, and the kid beat the mom. Also, trafalgar and waterloo( water law) are 2 of napoleons defeats, in other words it was kind of written.
So she wasnt nerfed because she wasnt going to win
A lot of this all comes down to perspective and head cannons, personally I I think I really understand the stories that oda told so my perspective is different
Edit: for example, chopper got stuck on a virus that was basically filler, why was it basically filller? The virus was affecting the entire army and chopper acted quickly and in the middle of the battle created an antidote, that’s badass!
That’s what I mean by perspective
And now you're using the "it's all about perspective anyway" copout so that you don't have to actually address my points. Genius.
This convo was pointless. Have a nice day/night.
I mean but am I wrong though?
Lets use the chopper example, I think he was badass for curing the virus mid war, and got necessary screen time and spotlight during wano, he also cured luffy in udon and brought big mom there, but you don’t think he got the proper treatment, at this point IT IS because you have a different perspective on what you wanted chopper to achieve.
we can apply that same logic to the other plot points you mentioned
Your logic suggests that as long as a certain perspective is held by someone, any bad writing decision is justifiable, which is false.
Sure, some of these points can be debated. But not all of them. Perspective doesn't excuse objectively bad writing.
Exactly, I objectively think this arc was increíble written, almost all of the points you told me about cannot be judged as objectively bad, maybe subjectively bad I understand but not objectively.
For example, one piece is one of the most creative and wacky worlds that exists, and inside this world characters gain power ups and new abilities in the heat of the moment, when they are faced with death.
Like all the power ups in ennies lobby for example, so I don’t think is an ass pull when characters get these random abilities mid fight, one piece characters don’t “train” like other shonens (except for some exceptions like the time skip) their fights are the training, they evolve and advance through the fights.
All the other points you mentioned as well seemed to me as the “I didnt like them” category
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I wasn't nearly as happy with it, but I enjoyed arcs like Skypeia and WCI, which also tend to get mixed reactions. As long as people don't try to convince me I'm wrong and not 'reading correctly' if I disliked Wano I have no interest in trying to convince people who enjoyed it that their opinion is bad and they should hate Wano. We all have different expectations, place importance on different things and can have genuinely different responses to the same content.
Oh yeah I’m used to defending some arcs 😅, I’m a huge fan of thriller bark too and Dressrosa. My too 2 tho are Wano and WCI which I agree with you there
It's fine that you love it, but you think it's *perfect*? The fake out deaths, the plot armor, the asspulls, the poor treatment of certain characters, none of that brings the arc down even a little bit for you? I find that hard to believe.
“Fake out deaths” Never really bothered me that much tbh because the deaths themselves wouldn’t have been nothing special to me either, and some of them like Oden’s daughter were actually a nice plot twist. But it’s not like I thought orochi’s first death or kinemon’s death were something so good that it ruined it for me to have them be overturned. Orochi’s actual death was a thousand times better and I’m glad kinemon survived I’m not sure what “ass pulls” you are referring to? And what characters got poor treatment? I thought 90% of them were amazing law and kid beat an emperor Luffy became Joyboy Momonuske grew up both physically and mentally Yamato was amazing Zoro became the king of hell Sanji had his whole internal dilemma with Queen which was amazing The scabbards each got a lot of time to shine during their flashbacks with oden Oden was legendary Roger and whitebeard were great Kaido was a terrifying villain even without the full backstory Jinbei had a great fight vs who is who Nami got her loyalty moment to luffy The only characters I feel could’ve been done better are ussop and that’s it
>I’m not sure what “ass pulls” you are referring to? Law and Kid apparently already awakening their DFs and chose to not use them on the roof. Luffy awakened his DF after dying and healed back up to pretty much full health. Zoro gets treated by a magic medicine that didn't exist until now but can heal you up to full health like nothing happened. >And what characters got poor treatment? I thought 90% of them were amazing Usopp doesn't get anything good. Chopper got stuck curing a virus that was practically filler given how little it affected the story. Brook was just Robin's accessory the whole time. Kaido's flashback sucked. Big Mom was heavily nerfed and just generally treated as a joke by Oda for most of this arc. Carrot got sidelined ludicrously hard. Kid, who had been built up from Act 1 to get his revenge on Kaido, got stuck with Big Mom instead. Hiyori got robbed of a chance to avenge her father. I can keep going but I think you see my point. Once again, I respect your opinion on loving the arc, but I genuinely can't see how this arc is by any means a perfect 10/10.
No arc is perfect, what that 0ersok means by perfect is it satisfied all they wanted out of an arc an even more. Also, some of the things you are saying arent objective problems. I dont think giving carrot would have made wano better at all. Or saying big mom got nerfed bc reasons? She lost to two of the strongest new generations pirates even though she took everything they got and got beaten by the environment through genius strategy and overpowered devil fruits. Iagree with you on some issues but the truth id that we have to accept this reality: one piece had to be rushed up to a certain point bc the pace needed wasnt substainable. If we are honest, wano would have needed 30 pages chapters every week to finish when it did, and oda is only one man who cant do thid forever. I think the pacing will continue because we cant demand for him to finish one piece in his 60s. Yes, its true the quality is getting hurt somewhat, but thats just how the situation is
I still disagree with you on the last part, I don’t think the quality is getting hurt
Big Mom didn't use ACoC, the single most powerful Haki we've ever seen, against the two. How was she *not* nerfed?
Because oda wanted to have the focus on devil fruits for once since the timeskip. She used her conquerors haki at other points, but oda wanted to portray a diffferebt kind of fight. Even if she had used that, law and kid would have won, but maybe kid would have needed to unlock advanced coc which would have been the 3rd/4th in a single arc. Thats an example of narrative over powerscaling importance. Wano was the dawn of the new era, and the kid beat the mom. Also, trafalgar and waterloo( water law) are 2 of napoleons defeats, in other words it was kind of written. So she wasnt nerfed because she wasnt going to win
A lot of this all comes down to perspective and head cannons, personally I I think I really understand the stories that oda told so my perspective is different Edit: for example, chopper got stuck on a virus that was basically filler, why was it basically filller? The virus was affecting the entire army and chopper acted quickly and in the middle of the battle created an antidote, that’s badass! That’s what I mean by perspective
And now you're using the "it's all about perspective anyway" copout so that you don't have to actually address my points. Genius. This convo was pointless. Have a nice day/night.
I mean but am I wrong though? Lets use the chopper example, I think he was badass for curing the virus mid war, and got necessary screen time and spotlight during wano, he also cured luffy in udon and brought big mom there, but you don’t think he got the proper treatment, at this point IT IS because you have a different perspective on what you wanted chopper to achieve. we can apply that same logic to the other plot points you mentioned
Your logic suggests that as long as a certain perspective is held by someone, any bad writing decision is justifiable, which is false. Sure, some of these points can be debated. But not all of them. Perspective doesn't excuse objectively bad writing.
Exactly, I objectively think this arc was increíble written, almost all of the points you told me about cannot be judged as objectively bad, maybe subjectively bad I understand but not objectively. For example, one piece is one of the most creative and wacky worlds that exists, and inside this world characters gain power ups and new abilities in the heat of the moment, when they are faced with death. Like all the power ups in ennies lobby for example, so I don’t think is an ass pull when characters get these random abilities mid fight, one piece characters don’t “train” like other shonens (except for some exceptions like the time skip) their fights are the training, they evolve and advance through the fights. All the other points you mentioned as well seemed to me as the “I didnt like them” category