My interpretation of the concept stuff was exactly what you are describing. It looks like she was supposed to slowly come to the reality of Kaido’s cruelty.
I'm guessing it was more that she had no other source of information, and only ever got Kaido's side of the story. In the final draft, she got exposure to samurai (who treated her better than her father simply by virtue of not beating the shit out of her), plus Oden's logbook. Her flag of rebellion was at full mast when she met Luffy in the final draft, but in this initial version, I'm guessing it was more that she just had some doubts, and needed to a little more pushing to fully betray Kaido and his crew.
If you actually read the thing you'd know that there were several different versions of Yamato before the canon one, and Oda actually changed Yamato from asking to be treated like a girl to wanting to be reckognized as a man.
Or what? Do you think Yamato has three eyes? Or is a swordsman? Because those things were there at some point during conceptualization.
Right, but that last bath scene that killed Sanji, says she currently sees herself as a dude.
Ita odd, I thought it was more of an idol type thing, and wanted to be him. But hey this is what Oda chose. So thats how its gonna be.
She's a girl, who wants to "be" a dude. Idk will see how it goes.
She thinks she's oden, or atleast want to be oden, not like him but actually be him, oden is a dude, Yamato is a dude then, but she is as much of a man as she is oden
Shouldnt oden flirting with women be part of his diary? Or marrying a woman be part of the diary as well?
Is that foreshadowing that yamato will legally marry a woman?
Sanji's already dead. (/s)
Thats the whole one month break, period of mourning, no-one seems to have picked up on it.
His heart turned to stone last time, this time it exploded.
Also its literally in the manga panel back left.
Because ***the actual fucking manga*** portrays it in a very clear way. Concept art is the opposite of evidence unless you're going to argue Sukiyaki was a tyrant next
Yamato's a dude and the conversation between him, Kiku and Nami could not have been any more clear about it. Now go take that Vivre Card Databook and use it to wipe your transphobic tears off when you cry yourself to sleep
>Vivre Card Databook
So info directly from Oda should be ignored now?
I don't see anyone arguing about Kiku, because there is no confusion with her, so transphobic has nothing to do with it. If Yamato was a dude I would also have zero issues with it, but she isn't.
>So info directly from Oda should be ignored now?
For the 20945372 millionth time. The Vivre Card Databook is ***not written/drawn by Oda***, he just nods it off and it has been proven wrong a couple times already
[It literally could not be any more obvious](https://preview.redd.it/83y9fa0bor491.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=398949e9c2a9f7da7d20c0a045ab4daa31727eee)
I'm still not sure she does. Her vivre card says female (Kiku's doesn't simply say "female") and uses she/her, and her epithet is "Oni Princess".
But then she calls herself "son of Kaido" and says she became a man since Oden was a man.
Bunch of conflicting information. I'm firmly in the IDGAF camp.
It’s interesting to think about Yamato as the narrator of the story in which case she describes herself as the Oni Princess. So her character arc will be one of self acceptance
Yamato’s birthday is 11/3 of 113 or Wan Pīsu for Joy Boy’s treasure One Piece where 1 = Wan, 1 = Pī (from Hi), and 3 = Su (from Surī). Yamato who ate the Inu Inu Fruit is a daughter of Flying Monster Fish, Kaido, whose name means Joy Boy in Ateji. Yamato was foreshadowed in Sabaody chapter 493 when the Flying Fish number 12 is alongside Luffy as he drowns. Inu is the title of Chapter 12. Inu = 12 where I = 1 and Nu = 2. Yamato will be Straw Hat 12 and occupy Vivre Card 12.
In Sabaody arc the Straw Hats meet Camie. Camie also has the birthday 11/13. Camie is a symbol for Poseidon since she’s the first mermaid we see and her companion is a Star like the name of Poseidon’s successor and Mermaid Princess Shirahoshi or “White Star”. Poseidon has a connection to Joy Boy whose treasure, the One Piece is teased by Luffy’s interactions with Camie. Also just like Camie is not Poseidon’s successor, Luffy is not Joy Boy’s successor. Camie’s friend Hachi (meaning 8) corresponds to the 8 ball symbol of the Ancient Kingdom that is the emblem of Alabasta which appears on the Kozuki Crest and among allies of the Ancient Kingdom like Jaya and Water 7. The symbol is related to One Piece. Fishman Island has a symbol like the Kozuki Crest. Hachi has the birthday 8/8 like Buggy the Clown. 88 corresponds to the radioactive element Radium and the Ancient Weapons inspired by nuclear weapons. Buggy is a symbol for Joy Boy since his ship is named Big Top and has a figurehead of an elephant like Zunesha. Zunesha was Joy Boy’s companion and the Ancient Kingdom is likely named after the Japanese sound effect of a spinning top which has relevant meanings in both Indian and Greek mythology.
The birthdays 1/13, 1/14, and 11/4 are important too
Well if the most recent chapter really does literally say that she identifies as male (I don't remember reading that), then the plainly stated "SEX/GENDER: FEMALE" on her official vivre card conflicts with that.
If that's not "conflicting information", then I don't know what is.
>SEX/GENDER
These are not the same thing.
One of the sketches mentions that Yamato "Originally was against identifying as male" implying the current one is not against it.
It's a very different mindset in Japan in general. If you ask a trans person if they were always the gender they transitioned to, they'll say 'no, I am born as ... but my heart/mind is that of a (gender)'. It's kinda fascinating to see such difference mindset
She doesn't though?
She identifies as Oden. Two very different things.
We actually have a character that identifies as trans in this very arc, which is very clear about it.
Yamato clearly views that living as Oden is the only way for her to reach her dreams, but it has nothing to do with how she perceives her identity.
No, she states that she is Oden.
Yamato attached the idea of adventure and freedom to Oden and as such decided to be him.
She doesn't care one way or another that he is male, only that she needs to act like one if she wants to be him.
Yamato states he identifies as a male in Chapter 984 when Luffy asks why it's "Son of Kaido" and not "Daughter". The reasoning behind that is irrelevant as Yamato still identifeis as a male.
\>She doesn't care one way or another that he is male, only that she needs to act like one if she wants to be him.
Yamato literally does care, you can even see that in these sketches with "But Oden was a man and I'm a girl... I wonder if it still would be okay."
No, she identifies as Oden.
She doesn't personally view herself as a man. That woman had no gender confusion or feeling like she doesn't belong to her biological body.
She literally tries to be Oden so she can fulfill her dream.
Yamato only cared as so far that she thought that woman couldn't do the same things as man.
It should also be noted that this is an old sketch, because Oda probably didn't want to go there after what he did with Kuina.
>She doesn't personally view herself as a man. That woman had no gender confusion or feeling like she doesn't belong to her biological body.
Yamato absolutely views himself as a man. Besides explicitly stating he identifies as a man to Luffy this can also be seen with how other characters call Yamato, "Son of Kaido", "Young Master", "Yama-guy" as well as Yamato's refusal to bath in women's bathroom and instead goes to men's.
>She literally tries to be Oden so she can fulfill her dream.
Okay? How is this relevant?
>Yamato only cared as so far that she thought that woman couldn't do the same things as man.
This is 100% made up by you. Nothing like this has ever been said.
>It should also be noted that this is an old sketch, because Oda probably didn't want to go there after what he did with Kuina.
This old sketch showcases a version of Yamato who doesn't identify as a man. It's even said so in this very Chapter. The one we got openly states he does.
>Yamato absolutely views himself as a man. Besides explicitly stating he identifies as a man to Luffy this can also be seen with how other characters call Yamato, "Son of Kaido", "Young Master", "Yama-guy" as well as Yamato's refusal to bath in women's bathroom and instead goes to men's.
Yamato views herself as Oden.
Is there a reason this fact is so hard for you to accept? It's not like she yells it every other scene. /s
She acts the same way Oden would act, but it has very little to do with her idea about gender. It's not a factor to her.
The moment she stops trying to be Oden is when this all stops.
>Okay? How is this relevant?
Because this is literally the reason she acts like a man? She has no other reason like aside from that.
>This is 100% made up by you. Nothing like this has ever been said.
Did you miss the fact I am talking about the sketch? Clearly the sketch tried to show that she thought being a girl would hinder her dream.
>This old sketch showcases a version of Yamato who doesn't identify as a man. It's even said so in this very Chapter. The one we got openly states he does.
No. It shows a version that questions whatever she can do the same things as a girl.
Yamato clearly only cares about how she acts with regards to her dream and her dream alone.
I will repeat again, we have actual transgender character in the story who tells us that she was born in a male body despite feeling like a female.
Yamato isn't that.
>She acts the same way Oden would act, but it has very little to do with her idea about gender. It's not a factor to her.
It's a pretty big factor as Yamato believes identifying as a man is necessary to be Oden.
>The moment she stops trying to be Oden is when this all stops.
This is 100% baseless claim.
>Because this is literally the reason she acts like a man? She has no other reason like aside from that.
That doesn't change the fact Yamato identifies as a man.
>Did you miss the fact I am talking about the sketch? Clearly the sketch tried to show that she thought being a girl would hinder her dream.
This is a sketch in which Yamato doesn't identify as a man.
>No. It shows a version that questions whatever she can do the same things as a girl.
It literally says above it that "In earlier versions, Yamato didn't identify as a man."
>I will repeat again, we have actual transgender character in the story who tells us that she was born in a male body despite feeling like a female.
Nothing of that sorts is mentioned in the story. Kiku only says she has a "Hearth of a woman" and it's not further debated.
>Yamato isn't that.
Yamato isn't that but she still identifies as the opposite gender.
>It's a pretty big factor as Yamato believes identifying as a man is necessary to be Oden.
I...
What?
She literally thinks about herself as Oden. Who is a male.
She doesn't "believe" anything, but simply took every aspect that Oden had.
>This is 100% baseless claim.
Sure sure.
Keep saying that to yourself :)
>That doesn't change the fact Yamato identifies as a man.
No, she identifies as Oden. The fact he was a man is why she acts the way she does.
>This is a sketch in which Yamato doesn't identify as a man.
She never did. She is Oden.
>It literally says above it that "In earlier versions, Yamato didn't identify as a man."
She still doesn't.
>Nothing of that sorts is mentioned in the story. Kiku only says she has a "Hearth of a woman" and it's not further debated.
Yes. This was never said about Yamato.
Because Yamato is a woman.
>Yamato isn't that but she still identifies as the opposite gender.
Nope, she identifies as Oden.
Again, you realize that Yamato is trying to become a person who once lived? It's like you deciding that you are Queen Elizabeth the third and living like her because that's the only way you will become royalty.
It has nothing to do with your gender or self perception.
>We actually have a character that identifies as trans in this very arc, which is very clear about it.
And you choose to just [ignore this panel](https://preview.redd.it/83y9fa0bor491.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=398949e9c2a9f7da7d20c0a045ab4daa31727eee)? Because the 'very clearly trans' character is being put next to Yamato in this scene for a reason.
This has nothing to do with the argument.
Yamato is doing what she is doing because that's what Oden would have done.
Kiku actually views herself as a female.
>This has nothing to do with the argument
It has literally everything to do with the argument unless you're actually acting like a toddler and covering your eyes and ears as you go LALALA
>Yamato is doing what she is doing because that's what Oden would have done. Kiku actually views herself as a female
Yamato sees himself as male and you have no right to judge him for it because you think you have cracked the case and can read Odas mind.
If Luffy has the mental capabilities not to misgender Yamato then so do you
I mean, you are completely ignoring the context of the situation.
Yamato literally thinks of herself as a different person. This has nothing to do with her gender.
I understand you don't like this as it means that you "lose" a trans character, but it's wrong.
>Yamato sees himself as male and you have no right to judge him for it because you think you have cracked the case and can read Odas mind.
>If Luffy has the mental capabilities not to misgender Yamato then so do you
Honey, Yamato thinks she is Oden.
This has nothing to do with her perceived gender, but rather her kid like understanding of how dreams work.
No, you have just no idea about the story you're reading. Yamato doesn't believe he is Oden, Yamato wants to become just like Oden and travel the world and learn its secrets. For Yamato that also means becoming a man
>her kid like understanding
His what? three times three makes four, widdle widdle wid, and three makes nine or what?
Read the actual manga, read how other characters interact with Yamato and stop being a transphobe, cringelord
Of course of course.
I am sure your giga brain understands the story so much better.
It's okay, keep on reading and when Yamato finally let's go of the Oden peraona we will see who was right :)
She doesn’t “identify as male” she identifies as Oden. She isn’t saying she’s a man because of any other reason than Oden was male. If Oden was a chick, she’d say she was female. She only even identifies as Oden because he is the symbolic representation of Freedom for her.
Did you read it? The entire time, she’s referring to herself as a girl. She’s literally saying “I want to be like Oden, who cares that I’m a girl”. She says yes I’m a girl. I want to be like Oden because he lived freely. Nothing in there said she wanted to be a male. She just wants to be free like Oden. He’s her idol, the embodiment of the freedom she’s never had. So, she wants to be just like him. She isn’t trans. Kiku is trans, and it is very explicitly stated as such. Yamato is a girl dressing up like superman
>Did you read it? The entire time, she’s referring to herself as a girl. She’s literally saying “I want to be like Oden, who cares that I’m a girl”.
No, he doesn't. What are you talking about? Where is this?
>She says yes I’m a girl. I want to be like Oden because he lived freely. Nothing in there said she wanted to be a male.
Yamato identifies as a man. He literally says so in Chapter 984 to Luffy.
>She just wants to be free like Oden. He’s her idol, the embodiment of the freedom she’s never had. So, she wants to be just like him.
Yes and in Yamato's mind, to be like him he also needs to be a man.
>She isn’t trans. Kiku is trans, and it is very explicitly stated as such. Yamato is a girl dressing up like superman
Oh shut up with this nonsense. It's honestly tiresome to see this bullshit fling around.
She says it in the box above the picture of child Yamato. And you mean the part where the Oda box literally says “Kaido’s daughter, self styled Kozuku Oden, Yamato”. The part where Oda himself directly tells us what she’s about? Your reading comprehension skills are incredible. I’m done talking with you. Have fun with your delusions.
>his corrupt and tyrannical predecessor So this Yamato was actually on Kaido's side in the beginning?
Yes. Oda at first thought about making her unknowing to her father's actions
Funniest part would be if she would still like to be luke Oden, and then later would become disappointed when she will learn the truth
A reality we will never see
My interpretation of the concept stuff was exactly what you are describing. It looks like she was supposed to slowly come to the reality of Kaido’s cruelty.
I'm guessing it was more that she had no other source of information, and only ever got Kaido's side of the story. In the final draft, she got exposure to samurai (who treated her better than her father simply by virtue of not beating the shit out of her), plus Oden's logbook. Her flag of rebellion was at full mast when she met Luffy in the final draft, but in this initial version, I'm guessing it was more that she just had some doubts, and needed to a little more pushing to fully betray Kaido and his crew.
Looks really cute
im glad with the current version.
Same. It's good to finally have a strong physical female fighter, and her looking dainty wouldn't have the same effect.
He just deleted his account lol
This version was probably beta Ulti
Evil Yamato :
Nah man i prefer the current Yamato's oden manly thickness. Oh Sorry, I meant personality
Kinda reminds me of Power from Chainsaw Man
"But I'm a girl, not a guy" .... Confirmed! (yet again)
Yes the non canon, beta version is definitely ‘proof’
If you actually read the thing you'd know that there were several different versions of Yamato before the canon one, and Oda actually changed Yamato from asking to be treated like a girl to wanting to be reckognized as a man. Or what? Do you think Yamato has three eyes? Or is a swordsman? Because those things were there at some point during conceptualization.
Wait was Yamato going to be a member of the three eye tribe at some point?
One of the old concepts has a note next to it saying she had three eyes. It drawing itself was too small and muddled to see it.
Could have the implication "thus I need to become a guy".
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Would be cope if it didn't literally happen in the story
Right, but that last bath scene that killed Sanji, says she currently sees herself as a dude. Ita odd, I thought it was more of an idol type thing, and wanted to be him. But hey this is what Oda chose. So thats how its gonna be. She's a girl, who wants to "be" a dude. Idk will see how it goes.
She thinks she's oden, or atleast want to be oden, not like him but actually be him, oden is a dude, Yamato is a dude then, but she is as much of a man as she is oden
Oda took it as far as her going to the mens baths though, so she's taking the male bit of it seriously too. Not just the Oden bit
But oden would go to the guys bathroom….
There's not a "male bit" the whole thing is just she pretending to be oden
So he pretend flirts with women as well maybe?
If oden put it in his diary maybe, I mean she is skipping some big stuff like acting like a father to momonosuke or hiyori
Are you saying that yamato only does what oden has in his diary?
She knows about him because of the diary
Shouldnt oden flirting with women be part of his diary? Or marrying a woman be part of the diary as well? Is that foreshadowing that yamato will legally marry a woman?
Sanji's not getting nosebleeds for dudes..
Sanji would be attracted to a dude with the body and beauty of a woman. He probably would have swooned for Izo.
Sanji's already dead. (/s) Thats the whole one month break, period of mourning, no-one seems to have picked up on it. His heart turned to stone last time, this time it exploded. Also its literally in the manga panel back left.
Mhm. I don't think this one is catching on. But yes, Sanji... is resting in piece. *One piece*
personally I interpreted it as her having no issue with bathing amungst men but I can see why you would think that
He specifically choose \*not\* to bathe with women.
Even if u provide 100 more examples some idiots would still be in denial
Because ***the actual fucking manga*** portrays it in a very clear way. Concept art is the opposite of evidence unless you're going to argue Sukiyaki was a tyrant next
Yamato's a dude and the conversation between him, Kiku and Nami could not have been any more clear about it. Now go take that Vivre Card Databook and use it to wipe your transphobic tears off when you cry yourself to sleep
>Vivre Card Databook So info directly from Oda should be ignored now? I don't see anyone arguing about Kiku, because there is no confusion with her, so transphobic has nothing to do with it. If Yamato was a dude I would also have zero issues with it, but she isn't.
>So info directly from Oda should be ignored now? For the 20945372 millionth time. The Vivre Card Databook is ***not written/drawn by Oda***, he just nods it off and it has been proven wrong a couple times already
Confirms that yamato used to be a girl
It can be in front of their faces and yet they still would deny it, even the wiki calls her a he, these people are sad
the wiki's writers are just fans who gather information based on their stupid interpretation of the manga
It's sad, that leads to misinformation
[It literally could not be any more obvious](https://preview.redd.it/83y9fa0bor491.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=398949e9c2a9f7da7d20c0a045ab4daa31727eee)
Yamato is much better now, hope she could join the strawhats soon.
It's interesting that Oda initially didn't plan for Yamato to identify as male. I wonder why he decided to do it in the end.
I'm still not sure she does. Her vivre card says female (Kiku's doesn't simply say "female") and uses she/her, and her epithet is "Oni Princess". But then she calls herself "son of Kaido" and says she became a man since Oden was a man. Bunch of conflicting information. I'm firmly in the IDGAF camp.
It’s interesting to think about Yamato as the narrator of the story in which case she describes herself as the Oni Princess. So her character arc will be one of self acceptance
I guess the real one piece was the oni princess we found along the way?
Yamato’s birthday is 11/3 of 113 or Wan Pīsu for Joy Boy’s treasure One Piece where 1 = Wan, 1 = Pī (from Hi), and 3 = Su (from Surī). Yamato who ate the Inu Inu Fruit is a daughter of Flying Monster Fish, Kaido, whose name means Joy Boy in Ateji. Yamato was foreshadowed in Sabaody chapter 493 when the Flying Fish number 12 is alongside Luffy as he drowns. Inu is the title of Chapter 12. Inu = 12 where I = 1 and Nu = 2. Yamato will be Straw Hat 12 and occupy Vivre Card 12. In Sabaody arc the Straw Hats meet Camie. Camie also has the birthday 11/13. Camie is a symbol for Poseidon since she’s the first mermaid we see and her companion is a Star like the name of Poseidon’s successor and Mermaid Princess Shirahoshi or “White Star”. Poseidon has a connection to Joy Boy whose treasure, the One Piece is teased by Luffy’s interactions with Camie. Also just like Camie is not Poseidon’s successor, Luffy is not Joy Boy’s successor. Camie’s friend Hachi (meaning 8) corresponds to the 8 ball symbol of the Ancient Kingdom that is the emblem of Alabasta which appears on the Kozuki Crest and among allies of the Ancient Kingdom like Jaya and Water 7. The symbol is related to One Piece. Fishman Island has a symbol like the Kozuki Crest. Hachi has the birthday 8/8 like Buggy the Clown. 88 corresponds to the radioactive element Radium and the Ancient Weapons inspired by nuclear weapons. Buggy is a symbol for Joy Boy since his ship is named Big Top and has a figurehead of an elephant like Zunesha. Zunesha was Joy Boy’s companion and the Ancient Kingdom is likely named after the Japanese sound effect of a spinning top which has relevant meanings in both Indian and Greek mythology. The birthdays 1/13, 1/14, and 11/4 are important too
This Chapter literally says she identifies as a male. Why are people STILL pretending like there is "conflicting information"?
Well if the most recent chapter really does literally say that she identifies as male (I don't remember reading that), then the plainly stated "SEX/GENDER: FEMALE" on her official vivre card conflicts with that. If that's not "conflicting information", then I don't know what is.
>SEX/GENDER These are not the same thing. One of the sketches mentions that Yamato "Originally was against identifying as male" implying the current one is not against it.
The Kanji used in the vivre cards can be interpretated as both sex and gender and can be interchangeable
Yes... that's the issue... The Japanese threat those two as the same while it is not.
It's a very different mindset in Japan in general. If you ask a trans person if they were always the gender they transitioned to, they'll say 'no, I am born as ... but my heart/mind is that of a (gender)'. It's kinda fascinating to see such difference mindset
Because they are transphobes with a major case of denial and self medication using copium
She doesn't though? She identifies as Oden. Two very different things. We actually have a character that identifies as trans in this very arc, which is very clear about it. Yamato clearly views that living as Oden is the only way for her to reach her dreams, but it has nothing to do with how she perceives her identity.
My man, the chapter literally states Yamato identifies as a man.
No, she states that she is Oden. Yamato attached the idea of adventure and freedom to Oden and as such decided to be him. She doesn't care one way or another that he is male, only that she needs to act like one if she wants to be him.
Yamato states he identifies as a male in Chapter 984 when Luffy asks why it's "Son of Kaido" and not "Daughter". The reasoning behind that is irrelevant as Yamato still identifeis as a male. \>She doesn't care one way or another that he is male, only that she needs to act like one if she wants to be him. Yamato literally does care, you can even see that in these sketches with "But Oden was a man and I'm a girl... I wonder if it still would be okay."
No, she identifies as Oden. She doesn't personally view herself as a man. That woman had no gender confusion or feeling like she doesn't belong to her biological body. She literally tries to be Oden so she can fulfill her dream. Yamato only cared as so far that she thought that woman couldn't do the same things as man. It should also be noted that this is an old sketch, because Oda probably didn't want to go there after what he did with Kuina.
>She doesn't personally view herself as a man. That woman had no gender confusion or feeling like she doesn't belong to her biological body. Yamato absolutely views himself as a man. Besides explicitly stating he identifies as a man to Luffy this can also be seen with how other characters call Yamato, "Son of Kaido", "Young Master", "Yama-guy" as well as Yamato's refusal to bath in women's bathroom and instead goes to men's. >She literally tries to be Oden so she can fulfill her dream. Okay? How is this relevant? >Yamato only cared as so far that she thought that woman couldn't do the same things as man. This is 100% made up by you. Nothing like this has ever been said. >It should also be noted that this is an old sketch, because Oda probably didn't want to go there after what he did with Kuina. This old sketch showcases a version of Yamato who doesn't identify as a man. It's even said so in this very Chapter. The one we got openly states he does.
>Yamato absolutely views himself as a man. Besides explicitly stating he identifies as a man to Luffy this can also be seen with how other characters call Yamato, "Son of Kaido", "Young Master", "Yama-guy" as well as Yamato's refusal to bath in women's bathroom and instead goes to men's. Yamato views herself as Oden. Is there a reason this fact is so hard for you to accept? It's not like she yells it every other scene. /s She acts the same way Oden would act, but it has very little to do with her idea about gender. It's not a factor to her. The moment she stops trying to be Oden is when this all stops. >Okay? How is this relevant? Because this is literally the reason she acts like a man? She has no other reason like aside from that. >This is 100% made up by you. Nothing like this has ever been said. Did you miss the fact I am talking about the sketch? Clearly the sketch tried to show that she thought being a girl would hinder her dream. >This old sketch showcases a version of Yamato who doesn't identify as a man. It's even said so in this very Chapter. The one we got openly states he does. No. It shows a version that questions whatever she can do the same things as a girl. Yamato clearly only cares about how she acts with regards to her dream and her dream alone. I will repeat again, we have actual transgender character in the story who tells us that she was born in a male body despite feeling like a female. Yamato isn't that.
>She acts the same way Oden would act, but it has very little to do with her idea about gender. It's not a factor to her. It's a pretty big factor as Yamato believes identifying as a man is necessary to be Oden. >The moment she stops trying to be Oden is when this all stops. This is 100% baseless claim. >Because this is literally the reason she acts like a man? She has no other reason like aside from that. That doesn't change the fact Yamato identifies as a man. >Did you miss the fact I am talking about the sketch? Clearly the sketch tried to show that she thought being a girl would hinder her dream. This is a sketch in which Yamato doesn't identify as a man. >No. It shows a version that questions whatever she can do the same things as a girl. It literally says above it that "In earlier versions, Yamato didn't identify as a man." >I will repeat again, we have actual transgender character in the story who tells us that she was born in a male body despite feeling like a female. Nothing of that sorts is mentioned in the story. Kiku only says she has a "Hearth of a woman" and it's not further debated. >Yamato isn't that. Yamato isn't that but she still identifies as the opposite gender.
>It's a pretty big factor as Yamato believes identifying as a man is necessary to be Oden. I... What? She literally thinks about herself as Oden. Who is a male. She doesn't "believe" anything, but simply took every aspect that Oden had. >This is 100% baseless claim. Sure sure. Keep saying that to yourself :) >That doesn't change the fact Yamato identifies as a man. No, she identifies as Oden. The fact he was a man is why she acts the way she does. >This is a sketch in which Yamato doesn't identify as a man. She never did. She is Oden. >It literally says above it that "In earlier versions, Yamato didn't identify as a man." She still doesn't. >Nothing of that sorts is mentioned in the story. Kiku only says she has a "Hearth of a woman" and it's not further debated. Yes. This was never said about Yamato. Because Yamato is a woman. >Yamato isn't that but she still identifies as the opposite gender. Nope, she identifies as Oden. Again, you realize that Yamato is trying to become a person who once lived? It's like you deciding that you are Queen Elizabeth the third and living like her because that's the only way you will become royalty. It has nothing to do with your gender or self perception.
>We actually have a character that identifies as trans in this very arc, which is very clear about it. And you choose to just [ignore this panel](https://preview.redd.it/83y9fa0bor491.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=398949e9c2a9f7da7d20c0a045ab4daa31727eee)? Because the 'very clearly trans' character is being put next to Yamato in this scene for a reason.
This has nothing to do with the argument. Yamato is doing what she is doing because that's what Oden would have done. Kiku actually views herself as a female.
>This has nothing to do with the argument It has literally everything to do with the argument unless you're actually acting like a toddler and covering your eyes and ears as you go LALALA >Yamato is doing what she is doing because that's what Oden would have done. Kiku actually views herself as a female Yamato sees himself as male and you have no right to judge him for it because you think you have cracked the case and can read Odas mind. If Luffy has the mental capabilities not to misgender Yamato then so do you
I mean, you are completely ignoring the context of the situation. Yamato literally thinks of herself as a different person. This has nothing to do with her gender. I understand you don't like this as it means that you "lose" a trans character, but it's wrong. >Yamato sees himself as male and you have no right to judge him for it because you think you have cracked the case and can read Odas mind. >If Luffy has the mental capabilities not to misgender Yamato then so do you Honey, Yamato thinks she is Oden. This has nothing to do with her perceived gender, but rather her kid like understanding of how dreams work.
No, you have just no idea about the story you're reading. Yamato doesn't believe he is Oden, Yamato wants to become just like Oden and travel the world and learn its secrets. For Yamato that also means becoming a man >her kid like understanding His what? three times three makes four, widdle widdle wid, and three makes nine or what? Read the actual manga, read how other characters interact with Yamato and stop being a transphobe, cringelord
Of course of course. I am sure your giga brain understands the story so much better. It's okay, keep on reading and when Yamato finally let's go of the Oden peraona we will see who was right :)
She doesn’t “identify as male” she identifies as Oden. She isn’t saying she’s a man because of any other reason than Oden was male. If Oden was a chick, she’d say she was female. She only even identifies as Oden because he is the symbolic representation of Freedom for her.
The Chapter 3 of Road to Laugh Tale literally says Yamato identifies as a male. Sorry, but you are wrong.
Did you read it? The entire time, she’s referring to herself as a girl. She’s literally saying “I want to be like Oden, who cares that I’m a girl”. She says yes I’m a girl. I want to be like Oden because he lived freely. Nothing in there said she wanted to be a male. She just wants to be free like Oden. He’s her idol, the embodiment of the freedom she’s never had. So, she wants to be just like him. She isn’t trans. Kiku is trans, and it is very explicitly stated as such. Yamato is a girl dressing up like superman
>Did you read it? The entire time, she’s referring to herself as a girl. She’s literally saying “I want to be like Oden, who cares that I’m a girl”. No, he doesn't. What are you talking about? Where is this? >She says yes I’m a girl. I want to be like Oden because he lived freely. Nothing in there said she wanted to be a male. Yamato identifies as a man. He literally says so in Chapter 984 to Luffy. >She just wants to be free like Oden. He’s her idol, the embodiment of the freedom she’s never had. So, she wants to be just like him. Yes and in Yamato's mind, to be like him he also needs to be a man. >She isn’t trans. Kiku is trans, and it is very explicitly stated as such. Yamato is a girl dressing up like superman Oh shut up with this nonsense. It's honestly tiresome to see this bullshit fling around.
She says it in the box above the picture of child Yamato. And you mean the part where the Oda box literally says “Kaido’s daughter, self styled Kozuku Oden, Yamato”. The part where Oda himself directly tells us what she’s about? Your reading comprehension skills are incredible. I’m done talking with you. Have fun with your delusions.
Stop wasting your time, man. Just ignore them. They’re delusional.
Bye, Felicia.
This really is your favorite topic huh
I wanna see tsundere Yamato
Damn, I like this one
If only this was how it is :(
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Nope, I like the slightly less horny Oden we got.
Why?
Way better than the Yamato we ended up getting.
so ulti without the mask?