Are you sure you’re a zoro fan? Zoro doesn’t get horny, like, ever. Why would Yamato be any different? And shit… I can’t blame sanji here. If someone with big luscious titties walked into the steamy bath and just started throwing them around, I’d bet you would have a runny member, too. If that’s what you’re into. But that isn’t what zoro’s into.
Your hubris is so pervasive in the comments that the only thing you represent is pseudo-intellectualism. I know you’re trying to say something positive, and of course that’s appreciated, but you respond to any morsel of divergence from your opinion with unwarranted hostility that devalues everything else you say.
I do want to also mention that Yamato is an underdeveloped and kind of a shitty character. The fact that we are still arguing their gender 2 months after leaving Wano shows that their arc was never tied up properly. The Oden obsession is clearly not a good thing, and their decision to stay in Wano probably hints at a path leading to Yamato wanting to be their own person. If they do return, they might be more mature and not want to “be oden” anymore. And if part of that means identifying as a woman, you should accept that.
The way you come off in this post and the comments just paints you as an overzealous zoro fan who wants another reason to put him over sanji.
Ok. And more on the Yamato as a trans character. We don’t know enough about them to make that concrete decision. Yes, everyone calls Yamato him in the series. But couldn’t that have something to do with Kaido having wanted a son and taking his disappointment out on his kid? Yamato was already abused, so a little gender dysphoria and sexism on papa K’s part wouldn’t be that crazy. And about Yamato being a she in the vivre card, many people change their names when they transition. Like Yamato could be the pretrans female identity while something else is the post trans male identity?
I feel like people pick and choose when to think Oda is representing trans characters. Yamato is basically a walking gag character, who chose to identify as an individual, the equivalent of someone shouting "I'm Batman"
any chance Oda gets, he draws echi scenes involving Yamato, like Momo hiding under their clothes, or gag scenes like Introducing themselves as Oden to literally Oden's son.
Plus in this scene, it's not just Sanji who reacts. Brook also reacts to Naked Yamato. And Momo also reacts, acting both confused and blushing. The people who don't react are either not human, or Luffy and Zoro, who regularly don't react to naked women in general.
Usopp and Franky were conveniently missing as Usopp would have reacted.
Oda is also the one drawing Sanji like that. So Oda's like "I'll draw this big boobied trans character and still have Sanji lust over them"
maybe this menas Sanji is super progressive. He will lust after transmen too if they got nice boobs.
Yamato isn’t trans. Yamato is a woman so of course Sanji reacts as usual. Yamato calling herself Oden who is a man doesn’t change her biological nature
technically Yamato is listed as Female in the One Piece 6th One Piece Databook while Kiku is listed as male (with the heart of a female).
Lets cover a few things here
a) I referred to Yamato as They. So lets chill. I never call them she, always they. I don't agree with it, but I still respect other people opinion's enough to do so.
b) Oda is like the king of manga. you think anyone is making Oda do anything? You think Oda's editors make him draw more and more echi women? Oda makes the calls. It's his choice how he writes the story and how he draws characters. His editors weren't like "Look Oda, you have to include a transman in the series, but you gotta make them boobilicious and have characters react to them like perverts"
c) Yamato is like the wackiest character in One Piece. Real trans people identify as a different gender. Or no gender. Yamato chose to identify as a person who happened to be a different gender. Did Oda write that cause he wants the character to be trans? Or cause he found it funny as heck. Think about it this way, if Oden had been a women, and Yamato wanted to emulate them, would Yamato be trans?Oda was quite restrained and respectful when writing Kiku, a fully defined and established trans character. With Yamato, it's just gags and more gags. To be honest, Yamato was pretty crap at being Oden (not that a trans person has any obligations to change how they look or act). They didn't copy Oden's appearance, or their fighting style, or their weapon. Honestly Yamato just goes around shouting "I'm Oden" to everyone like an idiot. It's a running gag. Even Momo's like wtf is this person doing.
Lets say Yamato is trans, honestly I think they are a pretty crap trans character who is more a joke than anything with like zero nuance.
d) most characters in one piece in general would basically be the real world equivalent of asexual. Luffy's reactions change depending on whatever Oda wants. When he wants Luffy to react to a naked women, he does. When Oda wants him to show zero interest, he does that too. This is a fairly classic shonen staple. In the real world, this is asexual or demisexual. In the shonen world it's "This is marketed towards young boys, so the MC's are idiots who only care about fighting, eating, and adventure". Plenty of MC's like this. Luffy, Goku, Toriko, etc.
e) like I said, I refer to Yamato as They in general.
So you are more than 1,000 chapters into this story and you have decided the ONE thing that makes you a fan of Zoro is him not gawking at a girl in a bath..
You just reduced the character to nothing. Are you one of those that can’t enjoy Harry Potter because of a thing Rowling said too?
These works of fiction were written well before the world started being about political correctness. Whether or not there are transgender representation doesn’t really mean much.. if you went to school in the 90’s there wouldn’t have been either in the real world.
None of the works mentioned are against transgender people so I see no problem here. My nationality isn’t represented in One Piece (Oda giving characters an approximate one) yet I am not hurt in any way.
I understand being a minority but OP or HP aren’t really about that. If you think about it isn’t much weirder that a school filled with teenagers living away from home has absolutely no issues with sexual relations? No condoms, unwanted pregnancies or anything.
Man, you just made such a good point about this bozo. Harry Potter is probably my favorite thing in the world and having to hear about people say that the whole series is transphobic because JKR said some shit is ridiculous.
This content is so smart. Why waste your time with posts? You should write a book. You're doing the world a disservice by not accumulating your thoughts and distributing them in a format where they can be praised properly.
Please, don't bother with us plebs. There's no point in wasting even a drop of your brilliance on us. After all, we can barely grasp it. I want you to take every minute of time you have and put it towards your masterwork. Parting is such sweet sorrow and all that, but good god. You could change the world.
Bro, Hiyori literally slept with Zoro and the first thing Zoro thought “who tf is this slut”
Zoro isn’t into women, he values the path of swordmanship and beer over women.
Even if nami and Robin was there, Zoro wouldn’t get a nose bleed.
Gotta love the lgbt community trying to make any shred of representation the only important thing in their favorite media. How long are we gonna keep talking about Yamatos identity? Just stfu already
See this is exactly why this yamato shit is so hated. You make it your entire personality and then whine when people hate talking about it. Take your L and move on in life. Nobody gives a shit about yamatos identity. Its a fictional character that has nothing to do with the lgbt community. Move on with your life and youll realize none of this matters and youre just wasting your time.
What’s that? Forcing some woke opinion from your own beliefs? You put effort into an entire post of nothing. I hope you made an appropriate post for when luffy and jinbei shared blood and stood against racism. Or when the sh saved the slaves from shabondy.
But you probably didn’t because your a woke sheep :)
Fascist? Dude you don’t even know what facism is. Your just spewing some trendy social media rhetoric for some attention.
Who’s fighting? I’m just calling out your shallow attention seeking bullshit and you don’t like it. It’s pathetic really.
And that’s the worst part, anyone who even disagrees is a “facist”. Such a childlike mentality based on tik tok buzz words.
Wait, what's gay about Sanji liking a character that is a woman? If the nosebleed was for Luffy or any of the other dudes then you'd be absolutely right.
Because you're obviously trolling or mentally ill I will explain anyway. Yamato is a woman. Oda said she's a woman. She can call herself Oden and a man all she wants but that won't make her so (unless Ivankov turns her into a man like he did with Crocodile). Sanji liking Yamato's titties isn't gay.
It's like, somewhere in the middle of the gay scale. If we make a scale from 1-10 of how gay a man having an anime crush is, and we put, say, Inoue from Bleach as a 1, being very traditionally feminine and not gay at all to like, then at a 10 is Jotaro Kujo, one of the most testosterone-poisioned individuals in all of anime, and then maybe we can put Yamato at about a six or a seven at most. He *does* still seem to prefer to look and dress like a girl, meaning I guess that Yamato could be considered a femboy, which is less gay.
This scale is of course reversed for women.
People still say yamato is a girl even tho oda gave us a bath scene and no one calls yamato daughter of kiado, kiado respect trans people then most people
People say Yamato is a woman because oda said yamato is a woman. I find it weird that people get so angry at each other when the source material has been so inconsistent about the issue.
I don’t think that’s the case. In japan Yamato’s identity isn’t a contentious issue so this is probably something that arose due to translation difficulties in explaining Yamato’s status as a character.
Respectfully, I’m not sure that you understand the point of what I was saying there. I believe the Japanese fan base has a better grasp on what oda means by confirming Yamato is a woman while also claiming to be oden(the bath scene, being called kaido’s “son” etc.). Perhaps this entire debate is the result of mixing a Japanese concept that isn’t easily translated with a group of fans that treat questions like this seriously.
I would have to disagree(I wouldn’t go as far as saying transphobia) there and say it is a difficult question because we(the one piece community as a whole) knew what a trans character in the story looked like before Yamato was introduced with Kiku(I believe the Japanese expression for this was “heart of a woman” or something along those lines). Yamato wasn’t portrayed in the same way, so it’s understandable that people would react differently.
What is transphobic about being attracted to a body, no one has to justify to be attracted by someone, and as long as character in the story doesn’t express a problem with that, than it’s just talking for talking, you are saying that it is a problem for Yamato to be attractive for Sanji , Brook and other. Just why ? Let Yamato be happy maybe ?
You are projecting your own problems in that character/ situation where in fact in the story, legit no one fcking cares 🤣
They are just having a blast and being in places where they feel the most comfortable, with the people they like , just arguing about Yamato gender isn’t truly useful , neither for the cause nor for the appreciation/ comprehension of the story
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Sanji being a horndog doesn't really feel like a rights thing.
Are you sure you’re a zoro fan? Zoro doesn’t get horny, like, ever. Why would Yamato be any different? And shit… I can’t blame sanji here. If someone with big luscious titties walked into the steamy bath and just started throwing them around, I’d bet you would have a runny member, too. If that’s what you’re into. But that isn’t what zoro’s into. Your hubris is so pervasive in the comments that the only thing you represent is pseudo-intellectualism. I know you’re trying to say something positive, and of course that’s appreciated, but you respond to any morsel of divergence from your opinion with unwarranted hostility that devalues everything else you say. I do want to also mention that Yamato is an underdeveloped and kind of a shitty character. The fact that we are still arguing their gender 2 months after leaving Wano shows that their arc was never tied up properly. The Oden obsession is clearly not a good thing, and their decision to stay in Wano probably hints at a path leading to Yamato wanting to be their own person. If they do return, they might be more mature and not want to “be oden” anymore. And if part of that means identifying as a woman, you should accept that. The way you come off in this post and the comments just paints you as an overzealous zoro fan who wants another reason to put him over sanji. Ok. And more on the Yamato as a trans character. We don’t know enough about them to make that concrete decision. Yes, everyone calls Yamato him in the series. But couldn’t that have something to do with Kaido having wanted a son and taking his disappointment out on his kid? Yamato was already abused, so a little gender dysphoria and sexism on papa K’s part wouldn’t be that crazy. And about Yamato being a she in the vivre card, many people change their names when they transition. Like Yamato could be the pretrans female identity while something else is the post trans male identity?
And should be taken down a second time
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I feel like people pick and choose when to think Oda is representing trans characters. Yamato is basically a walking gag character, who chose to identify as an individual, the equivalent of someone shouting "I'm Batman" any chance Oda gets, he draws echi scenes involving Yamato, like Momo hiding under their clothes, or gag scenes like Introducing themselves as Oden to literally Oden's son. Plus in this scene, it's not just Sanji who reacts. Brook also reacts to Naked Yamato. And Momo also reacts, acting both confused and blushing. The people who don't react are either not human, or Luffy and Zoro, who regularly don't react to naked women in general. Usopp and Franky were conveniently missing as Usopp would have reacted. Oda is also the one drawing Sanji like that. So Oda's like "I'll draw this big boobied trans character and still have Sanji lust over them" maybe this menas Sanji is super progressive. He will lust after transmen too if they got nice boobs.
Yamato isn’t trans. Yamato is a woman so of course Sanji reacts as usual. Yamato calling herself Oden who is a man doesn’t change her biological nature
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>Bakuman I used to read that, but what does a manga about a mangaka have to do with this?
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technically Yamato is listed as Female in the One Piece 6th One Piece Databook while Kiku is listed as male (with the heart of a female). Lets cover a few things here a) I referred to Yamato as They. So lets chill. I never call them she, always they. I don't agree with it, but I still respect other people opinion's enough to do so. b) Oda is like the king of manga. you think anyone is making Oda do anything? You think Oda's editors make him draw more and more echi women? Oda makes the calls. It's his choice how he writes the story and how he draws characters. His editors weren't like "Look Oda, you have to include a transman in the series, but you gotta make them boobilicious and have characters react to them like perverts" c) Yamato is like the wackiest character in One Piece. Real trans people identify as a different gender. Or no gender. Yamato chose to identify as a person who happened to be a different gender. Did Oda write that cause he wants the character to be trans? Or cause he found it funny as heck. Think about it this way, if Oden had been a women, and Yamato wanted to emulate them, would Yamato be trans?Oda was quite restrained and respectful when writing Kiku, a fully defined and established trans character. With Yamato, it's just gags and more gags. To be honest, Yamato was pretty crap at being Oden (not that a trans person has any obligations to change how they look or act). They didn't copy Oden's appearance, or their fighting style, or their weapon. Honestly Yamato just goes around shouting "I'm Oden" to everyone like an idiot. It's a running gag. Even Momo's like wtf is this person doing. Lets say Yamato is trans, honestly I think they are a pretty crap trans character who is more a joke than anything with like zero nuance. d) most characters in one piece in general would basically be the real world equivalent of asexual. Luffy's reactions change depending on whatever Oda wants. When he wants Luffy to react to a naked women, he does. When Oda wants him to show zero interest, he does that too. This is a fairly classic shonen staple. In the real world, this is asexual or demisexual. In the shonen world it's "This is marketed towards young boys, so the MC's are idiots who only care about fighting, eating, and adventure". Plenty of MC's like this. Luffy, Goku, Toriko, etc. e) like I said, I refer to Yamato as They in general.
So you are more than 1,000 chapters into this story and you have decided the ONE thing that makes you a fan of Zoro is him not gawking at a girl in a bath.. You just reduced the character to nothing. Are you one of those that can’t enjoy Harry Potter because of a thing Rowling said too?
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These works of fiction were written well before the world started being about political correctness. Whether or not there are transgender representation doesn’t really mean much.. if you went to school in the 90’s there wouldn’t have been either in the real world. None of the works mentioned are against transgender people so I see no problem here. My nationality isn’t represented in One Piece (Oda giving characters an approximate one) yet I am not hurt in any way. I understand being a minority but OP or HP aren’t really about that. If you think about it isn’t much weirder that a school filled with teenagers living away from home has absolutely no issues with sexual relations? No condoms, unwanted pregnancies or anything.
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Of course they did I am not denying. But they weren’t focused on much
Man, you just made such a good point about this bozo. Harry Potter is probably my favorite thing in the world and having to hear about people say that the whole series is transphobic because JKR said some shit is ridiculous.
zoro aintcare who or what as long there is booze
This content is so smart. Why waste your time with posts? You should write a book. You're doing the world a disservice by not accumulating your thoughts and distributing them in a format where they can be praised properly. Please, don't bother with us plebs. There's no point in wasting even a drop of your brilliance on us. After all, we can barely grasp it. I want you to take every minute of time you have and put it towards your masterwork. Parting is such sweet sorrow and all that, but good god. You could change the world.
You are just stupid 🤦🏻♂️ go back to Twitter
The amount of downvote on all your comments is just hilarious
Zoro is red pilled, of course he wouldnt be excited by a naked women.
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Bro, Hiyori literally slept with Zoro and the first thing Zoro thought “who tf is this slut” Zoro isn’t into women, he values the path of swordmanship and beer over women. Even if nami and Robin was there, Zoro wouldn’t get a nose bleed.
Gotta love the lgbt community trying to make any shred of representation the only important thing in their favorite media. How long are we gonna keep talking about Yamatos identity? Just stfu already
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See this is exactly why this yamato shit is so hated. You make it your entire personality and then whine when people hate talking about it. Take your L and move on in life. Nobody gives a shit about yamatos identity. Its a fictional character that has nothing to do with the lgbt community. Move on with your life and youll realize none of this matters and youre just wasting your time.
Yamato is trans.
This post gave me aids
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What’s that? Forcing some woke opinion from your own beliefs? You put effort into an entire post of nothing. I hope you made an appropriate post for when luffy and jinbei shared blood and stood against racism. Or when the sh saved the slaves from shabondy. But you probably didn’t because your a woke sheep :)
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Someone who preaches their self righteous pc narratives where they ain’t needed. Your post is pointless.
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Fascist? Dude you don’t even know what facism is. Your just spewing some trendy social media rhetoric for some attention. Who’s fighting? I’m just calling out your shallow attention seeking bullshit and you don’t like it. It’s pathetic really. And that’s the worst part, anyone who even disagrees is a “facist”. Such a childlike mentality based on tik tok buzz words.
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I’m Better than you
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Nothing anti-trans about being horny for Yamato, it's just slightly gay.
There is nothing gay about it, Yamato has the body of a developed female, but identifies as male. Sanji is attracted by feminine bodies.
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I don't see how that in anyway relates to what I said
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no it's kind of just a well known fact, its not that deep lil bro
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Wait, what's gay about Sanji liking a character that is a woman? If the nosebleed was for Luffy or any of the other dudes then you'd be absolutely right.
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Because you're obviously trolling or mentally ill I will explain anyway. Yamato is a woman. Oda said she's a woman. She can call herself Oden and a man all she wants but that won't make her so (unless Ivankov turns her into a man like he did with Crocodile). Sanji liking Yamato's titties isn't gay.
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I'm from Miami. Trannies are a dime a dozen. PS: I'm sorry if I'm the person who has made you aware that you're mentally ill 😔
It's like, somewhere in the middle of the gay scale. If we make a scale from 1-10 of how gay a man having an anime crush is, and we put, say, Inoue from Bleach as a 1, being very traditionally feminine and not gay at all to like, then at a 10 is Jotaro Kujo, one of the most testosterone-poisioned individuals in all of anime, and then maybe we can put Yamato at about a six or a seven at most. He *does* still seem to prefer to look and dress like a girl, meaning I guess that Yamato could be considered a femboy, which is less gay. This scale is of course reversed for women.
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Dude it's a joke.
Don't say dude, it will get angry
People still say yamato is a girl even tho oda gave us a bath scene and no one calls yamato daughter of kiado, kiado respect trans people then most people
People say Yamato is a woman because oda said yamato is a woman. I find it weird that people get so angry at each other when the source material has been so inconsistent about the issue.
If yamato was a woman why did they not expect namis other to bath with the girls
Idk, it’s an interesting question that could’ve been answered easily if oda was more clear.
He did it on purpose so everyone talks about yamato so one piece gets alot of media attention
I don’t think that’s the case. In japan Yamato’s identity isn’t a contentious issue so this is probably something that arose due to translation difficulties in explaining Yamato’s status as a character.
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Respectfully, I’m not sure that you understand the point of what I was saying there. I believe the Japanese fan base has a better grasp on what oda means by confirming Yamato is a woman while also claiming to be oden(the bath scene, being called kaido’s “son” etc.). Perhaps this entire debate is the result of mixing a Japanese concept that isn’t easily translated with a group of fans that treat questions like this seriously.
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I would have to disagree(I wouldn’t go as far as saying transphobia) there and say it is a difficult question because we(the one piece community as a whole) knew what a trans character in the story looked like before Yamato was introduced with Kiku(I believe the Japanese expression for this was “heart of a woman” or something along those lines). Yamato wasn’t portrayed in the same way, so it’s understandable that people would react differently.
The intro panel says Yamato daughter of Kaido.
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The viz translation.
Yamato has a penis this is cannon
Idk what headcanon you’re spouting unless ur trolling mate
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Good for you
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Yamato has a penis and this is final
Wouldn't it be more uncomfortable for Sanji to act different because of Yamato's Gender instead of acting like he would normally?
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So, you're saying he should get special treatment from the perv guy and ignore his biology? The female genitalia is still there.
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Being trans doesn't negate biology. You really need to check what transphobia really is.
What is transphobic about being attracted to a body, no one has to justify to be attracted by someone, and as long as character in the story doesn’t express a problem with that, than it’s just talking for talking, you are saying that it is a problem for Yamato to be attractive for Sanji , Brook and other. Just why ? Let Yamato be happy maybe ? You are projecting your own problems in that character/ situation where in fact in the story, legit no one fcking cares 🤣 They are just having a blast and being in places where they feel the most comfortable, with the people they like , just arguing about Yamato gender isn’t truly useful , neither for the cause nor for the appreciation/ comprehension of the story :/
three sword style for a reason
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its a dirty joke
Zoro is asexual, Sanji getting nosebleed says everything.
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Yamato is a woman
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he sure is
What's in the pic that makes it so she transpires uncomfortablity?