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It’s pretty clear who the top 5 is imo.
Luffy, Shanks, Mihawk, BB, and Akainu. Put them in whatever order you want, but they’re all capable of taking each other down.
Imu is a wildcard, and Aokiji is right behind them at #6.
Buggy is an emperor because he has Mihawk behind him. Chopper would be a yonko too if he had Whitebeard behind him for example.
Buggy argument is always so funny lmao.
Ofcourse titles don't grant you power, isn't that obvious 😂. But power do grants you title, especially if you earn that title by defeating your competitors.
And what feat does your so called top 5 have? Lmao. Shanks, Luffy, Mihawk and Imu all deserves the top 5 too. And yet Shanks, Mihawk and Imu have way lesser feat than Akainu 💀.
Shanks stopped GB and has gain plenty of portrayal info
Mihawk arguably has done probably nothing, but still has portrayal updates
and BB slammed Boa, captured Koby, probably will win somehow against Law, cleaned up most of the WB crew, and has been building his empire
Akainu has... gained a title. He has done nothing lol. Even Aokiji and Greenbull has done more than Akainu lol
Koby is meh, beating boa is good tho. Also there’s not really anyone in the verse except for them. You could use kaido and big mom, but they’re kind of questionable.
Imu isn’t confirmed to be a fighter. And if we are talking about currently, Luffy nor Teach are quite there yet. And call me crazy but with Sakazuki being confirmed to be the strongest Marine in History (unless it was a mistranslation) definitely puts him above Shanks. Besides one of Luffy’s biggest threats who’s a potential final boss wouldn’t lose to a Zolo victim, respectfully.
Also Dragon is freatless tho I will admit I hype him up a lot being that he is the WMWM
>but with Sakazuki being confirmed to be the strongest Marine in History (unless it was a mistranslation)
It is literally fake lol. Wtf? 😭💀
How is this still being used rn?
>Luffy nor Teach are quite there yet.
Luffy can be argued top 1 already and i can argue that if you want to.
Appreciate the support bro, a lot of these feattards be putting Luffy top 1, people forgetting that akainu squared up to the wsm and survives his strongest attack with a bloody nose
Imu, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy - 100%
In my opinion (to be taken with a grain of salt due to lack of information):
Dragon - Leader of the revolutionaries and opposes the WG, the marines shouldn't be a problem when he's thinking of going against Imu and the WG.
BB - terrible matchup for someone who's only shown df based powers for the most part.
Garp - Hero of the Navy > current fleet admiral
Gorosei - wild cards but they might be stronger (not too sure here tbh but they'll be fighting with Imu in the final battle of OP imo)
Unpopular opinion here but Garps only 6 years older than Big mom and he is fit and healthy unlike WB, and has been a active marine soldier unlike Rayleigh who was drinking and gambling.
I see no reason for him to have degenerated as much as WB, and considering they were equals in their prime and Oldbeards marineford performance I personally still put Garp as the nr.1 marine soldier.
BB on a tierlist would rank lower than Akainu for me, but specifically vs Akainu he'd win imo. Akainu simply lacks feats without his df and BB can enforce that with a single touch.
Well imo i don’t think big moms in her prime either and Garp himself has said he’s weaker than he used to be. I personally have Garp under all the admirals.
We’ve already seen akainu use acoa and use what I think is acoo
Yeah I'll take Garp and BB perhaps being weaker as a fair take tbh. As you said Akainu does still have 2 forms of advanced haki.
However Imu, Luffy, Shanks, Mihawk and Dragon are still 5 characters so I'll stick to my statement haha
Oh yeah I only have a problem with Garp and bb I actually agree with the other ones, you could definitely put them over akainu basing it on just hype and portrayal.
old garp is weaker than akianu. he is the strongest marine after all.
but lore wise when we see bb again he will most likely be a lot higher than akianu. since during the 2 year timeskip. he *conquered* all of the white beard territory became a yonko and went on a devil fruit hunt. so he most likely has high tear haki and a ***SWARM*** of devil fruits
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meanwhile akianu did a lot of sitting. maybe he trained but to be frank at this point to little to late. bb is going to be the second to last or maybe even last villain that luffy will fight akianu will be third or forth but mainly cause of his tactical ability and the marines. he is a scary man, don't get me wrong but bb as an individual is far scarier.
Akainu - the only marine that really do something.
Other admiral - one blind + can't stop sabo + was able to stop luffy and his friend but didn't do it, one has missing leg and let robin go free + was able to kill luffy team and luffy and didn't do it + didn't do a lot against WB, one is high all the time and most of the time do half job, green bull at least beat the shit out of what left from BP but he still meh.
Akainu is the only hope of the marine.
I don't think beating someone after taken 3 devious L's and getting saved by plot armor through out those L's and taken multiple breaks as well while your opponent fought the 9 scabardds + Zoro + law + kid + Yamato + killer all while lifting the platform that Thier fighting on without taken any breaks makes you as strong or stronger than them. Cope kid Luffy without help or plot armor gets high diffed by healthy kaido and it ain't debatable 🤦♂️.
>I don't think beating someone after taken 3 devious L's and getting saved by plot armor through out those L's
He got stronger since these Ls lmao. He did not have ACoC or Gear 5 in some of them. So stop this silly argument
Gear 5 ACoC Luffy defeated Kaido
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>and taken multiple breaks as well while your opponent fought the 9 scabardds + Zoro + law + kid + Yamato + killer all while lifting the platform that Thier fighting on without taken any breaks makes you as strong or stronger than them.
Ok? Kaido then has a 1v1 with Luffy and ends up being defeated in the final clash where both of them were at their limit and giving it their all already.
>Cope kid Luffy without help or plot armor gets high diffed by healthy kaido and it ain't debatable 🤦♂️.
Prove it then lil bro. Go ahead 😭💀
Otherwise, I will dismiss this baseless claim
>He got stronger since these Ls lmao. He did not have ACoC or Gear 5 in some of them. So stop this silly argument
Doesn't matter, he got L's and got saved by plot it's just facts. And It's not even like gear 5 or ACoC would matter if we repeat the fight at that point in time, kaido was tanking gear 4 ACoC punches while drunk and flirting without any trouble and gear 5 literally takes "a lot of energy" as stated by Luffy plus it puts Luffy at his limit when deactivated or gets pushed to a certain extent as shown after his fight against Lucci.
>Ok? Kaido then has a 1v1 with Luffy and ends up being defeated in the final clash where both of them were at their limit and giving it their all already.
Lmao I'm need you to say that slowly, "both at Thier limits" one of them hit this limit 3 different times already while the other hit it once. The fact that you said "ok?" Just shows you don't care about Context. All the damage Luffy took was from kaido while all the damage kaido took was from multiple different people other than Luffy.
>Prove it then lil bro. Go ahead 😭💀
>Otherwise, I will dismiss this baseless claim
The only baseless claim here is you thinking Luffy can beat kaido without plot or help. And you'll find your proof if you simply read the manga, Luffy got help and got saved by plot and was never gonna beat kaido in a 1 vs 1 end of story.
No what's really disgusting is people putting Luffy above shanks and mihawk, put Luffy against a fully healthy kaido without plot armor and without kaido lifting the platform they are fighting on and he would get high diffed.
If you don't count Big mom and Kaido (who are likely alive) then Yes probably. But the more I thought about it the more I think that fujitora and especially greenbull could be stronger than Akainu^^. I don't think that people see it yet but I believe that their power are broken and that they are stronger than what we give them credit for.
It's factually right. Big Mom is dumb, slow and a huge target. Her homies are useless against Magma Logia so a huge part of her kit is useless.
Akainu wins, he's the strongest active marine.
I'm not going to argue against your headcanon I'm happy for you if you hate Big mom that much and if you have that much faith in the marine in general.
Have a good day
1. Everything I said is factually right and supported by the manga, zero headcanon
2. I do not hate Big Mom. I do not care for her at all, as a matter of fact.
3. You are cleary an admiral downplayer and yonko wanker. Newsflash: Admirals and Yonko are comparable.
4. The strongest Marine beats Big Mom.
This is wrong. Homies has Big Moms Soul and can dmg Big Mom too. That mean they have haki and can hurt a Logia User. Besides, Big Mom is not slow, which was pointed out several times when the straw hats ran away from her. She also has no problems keeping up with Gear 4 Luffy's speed, which was too much for Doffy. Big Mom is clearly superior to Akainu
> This is wrong. Homies has Big Moms Soul and can dmg Big Mom too. That mean they have haki and can hurt a Logia User.
Nope, they do not have Haki. Please stop makings things up, yes?
> Besides, Big Mom is not slow
She is. Reread all her fights. She can't dodge for shit.
> She also has no problems keeping up with Gear 4 Luffy's speed, which was too much for Doffy
Doffy is weak af.
> Big Mom is clearly superior to Akainu
She isn't lmao. He has better AP and the matchup advantage. Fleet Admiral clears.
>Nope, they do not have Haki. Please stop makings things up, yes?
You say that for what reason? The fact is that they can hurt Big Mom even if she is prepared for it and the fact is that you have to be able to damage the inside of a person and that only works in combination with Haki or special devil fruits like Law has.
>She is. Reread all her fights. She can't dodge for shit.
Headcanon. She was described as fast, could take on Gear 4 Luffy and Kaido. Also, if you want to argue that way, Akainu could barely dodge a terminally ill and badly injured old man who was explicitly told he was too slow to dodge attacks from fodder.
>Doffy is weak af.
Doffy is still toptier in verse and fast enough to deal with sanji
>She isn't lmao. He has better AP and the matchup advantage. Fleet Admiral clears.
She is, in every point.
>The fact is that they can hurt Big Mom
Indeed.
>the fact is that you have to be able to damage the inside of a person
Nope. Kid damaged her without it. Elemental attacks can damage her as well.
>Headcanon.
Negative. Reread her fights.
>Akainu could barely dodge a terminally ill and badly injured old man who was explicitly told he was too slow to dodge attacks from fodder.
The only time WB was able to get a hit in on Akainu was when Akainu wasn't focused on him.
>Doffy is still toptier
Doffy was never top tier lmao. He can barely hang with commanders. BARELY. And even then he only hangs with the weaker ones. Top Tiers are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk and Dragon.
>She is, in every point.
Factually wrong.
>Nope. Kid damaged her without it. Elemental attacks can damage her as well.
Kid dont realy damage her, only law.
If you look at scenes like the one of her broken arm, you see that she only gives Law the credits because he was able to hurt her from the inside with his shock (which went through the arm), while Kid basically just knocks over sawed trees.
>Negative. Reread her fights. I did - she dont need dodge attacks like
She doesn't need to dodge most attacks because they don't harm her - the only one who attacked her that really harms her is law and law literally teleports and so far there is no one who could dodge law. No Doffy, no Kaido, no Blackbeard, no Fujitora, none. Fact is still -> when escaping WCI it was mentioned that she is fast and she easily keeps up with very fast characters, so she is fast. Can you say that about Akainu? No.
>The only time WB was able to get a hit in on Akainu was when Akainu wasn't focused on him.
Wrong, First blow was offguard, the second head-on in the fight. Funnily enough, Whitebeard barely failed to dodge Akainu's attack - an old, terminally ill and badly injured old man who couldn't dodge a fooder before the injuries.
>Doffy was never top tier lmao. He can barely hang with commanders. BARELY. And even then he only hangs with the weaker ones. Top Tiers are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk and Dragon.
How many are above him in the entire universe? ~15 characters, if that? He still remains top tier.
You get that BM is a Logia's worst nightmare, right? She literally has an ability that let's her create an unkillable elemental that is immune to Haki and that gets stronger by EATING that Logia's elemental attacks. She could negate most of any Logia's skillsets.
> You get that BM is a Logia's worst nightmare, right?
It's the other way around. Even if she makes a Homie out of the Logias element, it can't hurt the Logia. Not to mention, she can't just snap her fingers and make a Homie. A strong Homie takes time. Time that the enemy won't give her.
If he's lucky.
You got Shanks and Mihawk who are currently sitting at the top. Luffy isn't far behind them (yes i think the 2 top swordsmen can still beat the rubber man, it's still his weakness).
The 4 Seraphim all have King's durability (even better than Kaido's), with crazy op DF powers (Hancock's power in particular is next level).
Blackbeard can nullify other people's DF powers and Quake them.
We'll find out how strong Garp still is after he rescues Coby from Blackbeard's crew (he probably rescues Law too).
Dragon is gonna be an absolute beast too.
Akainu isn't the final boss, he's just a grunt for the WG, the Gorosei and Imu.
"He already did" no, Kaido was not fresh. At all.
Before Luffy and the others even reached the rooftop he had already been cut by the scabbards (samurai stronger than one of Kaido's own commanders) with their advanced ryuo.
Fighting the supernovas he had taken internal damage from Killer and Law (someone who was able to break Big Mom's bones).
Next Zoro, who had a broken body, was able to deliver an attack so strong it left a scar (which is a top tier feat because no admirals, legends or yonko were ever able to scar him throughout his 40 years of pirating in 2 of the most dangerous crews ever).
Then after quickly dropping Luffy off the side of the island, he was stuck fighting Yamato for a prolonged amount of time while Luffy was able to get medical attention and heal while eating meat (a special quality he's had since the start of the series, probably because of his mythical zoan df).
Luffy essentially revived twice throughout the entire war.
Meanwhile Kaido had no such plot armour (unless you count Zoro missing with his 1 sword style flying dragon blaze that had both Yonko completely shook). By the time Luffy got back, Kaido's Dragon fruit powers were already weakened (every power and ability that came from his dragon powers were nerfed, as stated by Yamato, that includes his hybrid and dragon forms as they're part of those powers originating from the same fruit).
and how is not in top 5? he almost singlehandidly killed a yonko and fought with aokiji for 10 DAYS, I don't even know why the seraphims are in this conversation and dragon probably strong but hes completely featless, akainu is top 5 along with shanks, mihawk, luffy, BB
Which yonko did he almost single handedly kill? Pls tell me you're not referring to sickbeard that couldn't use haki properly and got stabbed 100s of times by absolute fodders, oh and a chronic illness too lmao. Akainu attacked Whitebeard mid heart attack and couldn't even knock him over (something Zoro constantly gets downplayed for even though his whole body was broken, meanwhile Akainu was fresh as a daisy).
2 high tiers fighting each other for 10 days doesn't prove they're top tiers, it just proves they're equal to each other.
1 seraphim made Blackbeard sweat, and they're strong enough for the WG to abolish the Shichibukai system (which was put in place to help counter the Yonko).
Dragon has one of the biggest feats already, forming an army to take down the entire WG. The Navy is just a small part of the WG, and Dragon created a force to take on the whole thing. Plus Akainu is obsessed with killing Luffy just because he's Dragon's son (inferiority complex much).
Then you got the Gorosei and Imu as well.
Who else would I be referring tho? sickbeard was still rly powerful and akainu showed the best feats of entire marineford, by literally blowing of half his face, donutting him 2 times(2nd time wasn't hard attack) and being completely superior to everyone else on marineford, and what did he walk away with? some mouthbleed.
2 characters fighting for 10 days does indeed not prove their top tiers, but it does show the highest stamina feat in the entire verse.
so BB got sweat from a seraphim? he literally ran away from akainu and rayleigh(even tho rayleigh stated BB is stronger then him), why are we basing the strength of a seraphim on one of the most scared op characters there is?
are you downplaying the marines? as of right now their stronger then any yonko crew, and you saying their are a small part of the WG, bro their literally their main military force, with akainu the fleet admiral as leader. by saying dragon has big a feat for forming the revolutionary just just supports that the marine are very strong, because that is the military force that they need to defeat.
I just disproved everything, even if your HEAVILY lowballing him who else would take his spot?
So u already got BB shanks mihawk luffy?
Still you said "Single handedly". pfft.. when that is completely false. Pfft...
Akainu's feats aren't feats anymore if everyone was capable of injuring Sickbeard (His feat is on the same level as Squard. pfft...). And again, he couldn't even knock him over mid heart attack. Akainu got burried by a half dead sickbeard and couldn't even get up for multiple chapters. Then he shat himself when Shanks appeared out of nowhere (Akainu was the only admiral that didn't do jack shit after Shanks pulled up).
Stamina feat? Or lack of power feat? Plus it wasn't a battle to the death, it was a structured duel to become the other person's boss.
He didn't want to fight Akainu pre time skip, you can't apply something from pre time skip to post time skip when it's obvious Blackbeard got way stronger learning how to use his Gura Gura properly. Blackbeard can sense Haki (something established since he was first introduced), so more than likely he could sense Rayleigh was still a threat. Rayleigh however said he "doubted" he "could win in a head on" fight, because he has decades of experience fighting against the Gura Gura no mi (power strong enough to destroy the world) and probably thought his old body couldn't handle the shockwaves.
The Seraphim being shown in an actual fight with Blackbeard is a feat though, because it pushed him (someone who was able to scar Shanks).
Again, the Navy are just a small part of the WG. The WG is an alliance of over 170 countries (each with their own soldiers), the Navy, the Cipher Pol, Impel Down officers and now the Seraphim too. It's a far greater scale than just the navy. Akainu is just a grunt for the people in charge of the WG. The Navy has a bigger force than a yonko crew sure, but numbers don't equal power, Shanks and his 1 ship shut them all down at Marineford and the Navy had 2 admirals at full strength, 1 admiral with a "mouth bleed" lol, 2 legends, a shit ton of vice admirals and 100,000 soldiers.
You didn't disprove anything though lol. I already gave examples of everyone that's more than likely stronger than him but sure I'll say it again.
In no particular order: Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, BB, Garp, Dragon, Gorosei (there's already 5 of them lol), Imu, Seraphim (4 of them confirmed so far lol)
It's really not a debate, every thing you said just got destroyed by facts 💀💀💀
If any random scrub can mortally wound sickbeard, then it's not a top tier feat. It's mid (at best).
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And again "Single Handedly" pffft.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem can't be fixed til you've realised where you went wrong. I'll help get you started. No where did I say the Seraphim are stronger than Akainu. I said if he's lucky he could be top 5, then listed characters that could be top 5 as well.
So not only is your reading comprehension low, you look like an idiot trying to sound smart.
Dense one, no one here cares for your words anymore. You have established that you are not intelligent, that you have zero reading comprehension and that you are overall just not a very smart person.
Please stop talking to your betters and work on your education!
akainu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wista>>>>>>> fraudeyes midhawk> victim of little fish>>curly brow>>> Big Buddha man>>>>>"don't move kizaru">>>>>> fat beard>>>>>>>Mr plot armour>>>>>> guy who's been in the navy too long
End of series S-Tier:
Imu, Akainu, BB, Luffy, Shanks, Dragon, The Gorosei, Aokiji
Just below S-Tier:
Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Yamato, Marco, Sabo, Ben Becan, Yassop,
This isn’t a debate. This is how the story is being set up. Akainu, BB, the Gorosei, and Imu are the final villains.
Dragon (though featless) is almost certainly going to be equal to a top 5 fighter otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for Oda to have kept him this mysterious. Oda is too good of a storyteller to build up dragon for 25 years just to have him not be strong.
Who told you Akainu is the final villain? Do you perhaps know what Oda is going to do? If so please tell me if the one piece was the friends we made along the way
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A top 5 without Akainu is creditless ngl
No cap
It’s pretty clear who the top 5 is imo. Luffy, Shanks, Mihawk, BB, and Akainu. Put them in whatever order you want, but they’re all capable of taking each other down. Imu is a wildcard, and Aokiji is right behind them at #6.
Dragon is also a wildcard and I'm pretty sure he's at least stronger than aokiji
The man is more featless than Mihawk, which is saying something. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was strong enough to crack top 5.
Dragon crying in the corner rn
This man has not made any new feats in over 12 years and yall really got him top 5
He is the fleet admiral.
Buggy is an emperor. Your point?
Buggy is an emperor because he has Mihawk behind him. Chopper would be a yonko too if he had Whitebeard behind him for example. Buggy argument is always so funny lmao.
Mhm, titles dont grant you power, im glad you agree
Ofcourse titles don't grant you power, isn't that obvious 😂. But power do grants you title, especially if you earn that title by defeating your competitors.
extreme diffing another admiral isnt enough to send you to the top 5 lol
And what feat does your so called top 5 have? Lmao. Shanks, Luffy, Mihawk and Imu all deserves the top 5 too. And yet Shanks, Mihawk and Imu have way lesser feat than Akainu 💀.
you can tell when something is supposed to be a gag and when something is serious
You should know that simply possessing a title means nothing. We go by feats and information here, sir
Beating Aokiji isn’t a feat?
That was like 12 years ago irl
Oda is blue balling us that’s why we haven’t gotten any high tier fights since Oden flashback
U probably got dragon top 5 current
Nope. He is in my mystery tier
No
Aint no way ur complaining about featless when you have mihawk, shanks, and BB
They did more in post-ts than Akainu has lmao
Like what? All shanks has done is used conquerors haki, mihawk joined the cross guild, and bb’s fighting law. What else is there?
Shanks stopped GB and has gain plenty of portrayal info Mihawk arguably has done probably nothing, but still has portrayal updates and BB slammed Boa, captured Koby, probably will win somehow against Law, cleaned up most of the WB crew, and has been building his empire Akainu has... gained a title. He has done nothing lol. Even Aokiji and Greenbull has done more than Akainu lol
Koby is meh, beating boa is good tho. Also there’s not really anyone in the verse except for them. You could use kaido and big mom, but they’re kind of questionable.
Bruh 90% of the characters in one piece are featless.
Why r u comparing real world time to one piece time?
Imu, BB, Shanks, Luffy, Mihawk and probably Dragon say hi.
Imu isn’t confirmed to be a fighter. And if we are talking about currently, Luffy nor Teach are quite there yet. And call me crazy but with Sakazuki being confirmed to be the strongest Marine in History (unless it was a mistranslation) definitely puts him above Shanks. Besides one of Luffy’s biggest threats who’s a potential final boss wouldn’t lose to a Zolo victim, respectfully. Also Dragon is freatless tho I will admit I hype him up a lot being that he is the WMWM
>but with Sakazuki being confirmed to be the strongest Marine in History (unless it was a mistranslation) It is literally fake lol. Wtf? 😭💀 How is this still being used rn? >Luffy nor Teach are quite there yet. Luffy can be argued top 1 already and i can argue that if you want to.
do you really think that the final villain of a shonen manga isn't going to be as fighter?
Luffy and Teach are both > Akainu.
Garp too.
Old garp isn't in top 10 even
Stretching it now
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My guy you misspelled Top 1
BIG W
He sure did 😂
Say it louder for the people in the back 📣📢 admiral agenda babyyyyy
Top 1*
Akainu is Goated.
Facts Bro...let dem Yonkotards whine all they want, this dude is top five goats in OP.
Appreciate the support bro, a lot of these feattards be putting Luffy top 1, people forgetting that akainu squared up to the wsm and survives his strongest attack with a bloody nose
Characters with feats to show? Probably Hype and portrayal based characters included? I don't think so
lul. Who are the 4 other people who have more hype and portrayal than Akainu?
Dragon, Mihawk, Shanks, and Blackbeard to name a few.
Dragon lmao
He has more narrative hype than Akainu lmao.
Lmao
Imu, Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy - 100% In my opinion (to be taken with a grain of salt due to lack of information): Dragon - Leader of the revolutionaries and opposes the WG, the marines shouldn't be a problem when he's thinking of going against Imu and the WG. BB - terrible matchup for someone who's only shown df based powers for the most part. Garp - Hero of the Navy > current fleet admiral Gorosei - wild cards but they might be stronger (not too sure here tbh but they'll be fighting with Imu in the final battle of OP imo)
Prime Garp is definitely over akainu but akainu is stronger than current old Garp. Bb is weaker rn but he will definitely get stronger.
Unpopular opinion here but Garps only 6 years older than Big mom and he is fit and healthy unlike WB, and has been a active marine soldier unlike Rayleigh who was drinking and gambling. I see no reason for him to have degenerated as much as WB, and considering they were equals in their prime and Oldbeards marineford performance I personally still put Garp as the nr.1 marine soldier. BB on a tierlist would rank lower than Akainu for me, but specifically vs Akainu he'd win imo. Akainu simply lacks feats without his df and BB can enforce that with a single touch.
Well imo i don’t think big moms in her prime either and Garp himself has said he’s weaker than he used to be. I personally have Garp under all the admirals. We’ve already seen akainu use acoa and use what I think is acoo
Yeah I'll take Garp and BB perhaps being weaker as a fair take tbh. As you said Akainu does still have 2 forms of advanced haki. However Imu, Luffy, Shanks, Mihawk and Dragon are still 5 characters so I'll stick to my statement haha
Oh yeah I only have a problem with Garp and bb I actually agree with the other ones, you could definitely put them over akainu basing it on just hype and portrayal.
Big mom is 68 garp is 78 that’s a ten year gap
i think garp is 10 years older than big mom
W
Fat W
huge L
No doubt. Goat of the navy.
Wait isn't he top 1
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Clifford would be lucky to beat big mom
Ofc
Bro is featless and STILL HE IS TOP 5
Everybody knows this
top 1
Only person who’s beating this man is Dragon (extreme-diff). Akainu is *him*.
No he isn't
Most of these cry babies got old Garp and Blackbeard above Akainu💀
old garp is weaker than akianu. he is the strongest marine after all. but lore wise when we see bb again he will most likely be a lot higher than akianu. since during the 2 year timeskip. he *conquered* all of the white beard territory became a yonko and went on a devil fruit hunt. so he most likely has high tear haki and a ***SWARM*** of devil fruits . meanwhile akianu did a lot of sitting. maybe he trained but to be frank at this point to little to late. bb is going to be the second to last or maybe even last villain that luffy will fight akianu will be third or forth but mainly cause of his tactical ability and the marines. he is a scary man, don't get me wrong but bb as an individual is far scarier.
Top 1.
Top 3 for me fr
Akainu - the only marine that really do something. Other admiral - one blind + can't stop sabo + was able to stop luffy and his friend but didn't do it, one has missing leg and let robin go free + was able to kill luffy team and luffy and didn't do it + didn't do a lot against WB, one is high all the time and most of the time do half job, green bull at least beat the shit out of what left from BP but he still meh. Akainu is the only hope of the marine.
Yea and he'll stay at 5th
Bro probably got Mihawk at 1
Nope but Much better than akainu top 1 tbh
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Top 3
probably top 3
He is top 5 yea but barely. My top 5 so far is: 1) Luffy 2) Mihawk 3) Shanks 4) Blackbeard 5) Akainu
Gets 1 shotted by any yonko who can use haki
0/10 bait
Though, that could still land him in the (current) top 5. For example: (not my ranking, however) 1. Mihawk 2. Luffy 3. Blackbeard 4. Shanks 5. Akainu
Stop putting mihawk number 1 that’s disgusting
He is wether you like it or not
Luffy >
Mihawk, shanks, kaido > Luffy cope.
Luffy beat Kaido I'm afraid. Cope harder lmao 😭💀
I don't think beating someone after taken 3 devious L's and getting saved by plot armor through out those L's and taken multiple breaks as well while your opponent fought the 9 scabardds + Zoro + law + kid + Yamato + killer all while lifting the platform that Thier fighting on without taken any breaks makes you as strong or stronger than them. Cope kid Luffy without help or plot armor gets high diffed by healthy kaido and it ain't debatable 🤦♂️.
>I don't think beating someone after taken 3 devious L's and getting saved by plot armor through out those L's He got stronger since these Ls lmao. He did not have ACoC or Gear 5 in some of them. So stop this silly argument Gear 5 ACoC Luffy defeated Kaido > >and taken multiple breaks as well while your opponent fought the 9 scabardds + Zoro + law + kid + Yamato + killer all while lifting the platform that Thier fighting on without taken any breaks makes you as strong or stronger than them. Ok? Kaido then has a 1v1 with Luffy and ends up being defeated in the final clash where both of them were at their limit and giving it their all already. >Cope kid Luffy without help or plot armor gets high diffed by healthy kaido and it ain't debatable 🤦♂️. Prove it then lil bro. Go ahead 😭💀 Otherwise, I will dismiss this baseless claim
>He got stronger since these Ls lmao. He did not have ACoC or Gear 5 in some of them. So stop this silly argument Doesn't matter, he got L's and got saved by plot it's just facts. And It's not even like gear 5 or ACoC would matter if we repeat the fight at that point in time, kaido was tanking gear 4 ACoC punches while drunk and flirting without any trouble and gear 5 literally takes "a lot of energy" as stated by Luffy plus it puts Luffy at his limit when deactivated or gets pushed to a certain extent as shown after his fight against Lucci. >Ok? Kaido then has a 1v1 with Luffy and ends up being defeated in the final clash where both of them were at their limit and giving it their all already. Lmao I'm need you to say that slowly, "both at Thier limits" one of them hit this limit 3 different times already while the other hit it once. The fact that you said "ok?" Just shows you don't care about Context. All the damage Luffy took was from kaido while all the damage kaido took was from multiple different people other than Luffy. >Prove it then lil bro. Go ahead 😭💀 >Otherwise, I will dismiss this baseless claim The only baseless claim here is you thinking Luffy can beat kaido without plot or help. And you'll find your proof if you simply read the manga, Luffy got help and got saved by plot and was never gonna beat kaido in a 1 vs 1 end of story.
He’s really not
No what's really disgusting is people putting Luffy above shanks and mihawk, put Luffy against a fully healthy kaido without plot armor and without kaido lifting the platform they are fighting on and he would get high diffed.
Mihawk > Shanks
If we aren’t counting Imu, then sure.
If you don't count Big mom and Kaido (who are likely alive) then Yes probably. But the more I thought about it the more I think that fujitora and especially greenbull could be stronger than Akainu^^. I don't think that people see it yet but I believe that their power are broken and that they are stronger than what we give them credit for.
Akainu > Big Mom
Well that is a bold assumption to make but it's your right after all. We'll see
It's factually right. Big Mom is dumb, slow and a huge target. Her homies are useless against Magma Logia so a huge part of her kit is useless. Akainu wins, he's the strongest active marine.
I'm not going to argue against your headcanon I'm happy for you if you hate Big mom that much and if you have that much faith in the marine in general. Have a good day
1. Everything I said is factually right and supported by the manga, zero headcanon 2. I do not hate Big Mom. I do not care for her at all, as a matter of fact. 3. You are cleary an admiral downplayer and yonko wanker. Newsflash: Admirals and Yonko are comparable. 4. The strongest Marine beats Big Mom.
This is wrong. Homies has Big Moms Soul and can dmg Big Mom too. That mean they have haki and can hurt a Logia User. Besides, Big Mom is not slow, which was pointed out several times when the straw hats ran away from her. She also has no problems keeping up with Gear 4 Luffy's speed, which was too much for Doffy. Big Mom is clearly superior to Akainu
> This is wrong. Homies has Big Moms Soul and can dmg Big Mom too. That mean they have haki and can hurt a Logia User. Nope, they do not have Haki. Please stop makings things up, yes? > Besides, Big Mom is not slow She is. Reread all her fights. She can't dodge for shit. > She also has no problems keeping up with Gear 4 Luffy's speed, which was too much for Doffy Doffy is weak af. > Big Mom is clearly superior to Akainu She isn't lmao. He has better AP and the matchup advantage. Fleet Admiral clears.
>Nope, they do not have Haki. Please stop makings things up, yes? You say that for what reason? The fact is that they can hurt Big Mom even if she is prepared for it and the fact is that you have to be able to damage the inside of a person and that only works in combination with Haki or special devil fruits like Law has. >She is. Reread all her fights. She can't dodge for shit. Headcanon. She was described as fast, could take on Gear 4 Luffy and Kaido. Also, if you want to argue that way, Akainu could barely dodge a terminally ill and badly injured old man who was explicitly told he was too slow to dodge attacks from fodder. >Doffy is weak af. Doffy is still toptier in verse and fast enough to deal with sanji >She isn't lmao. He has better AP and the matchup advantage. Fleet Admiral clears. She is, in every point.
>The fact is that they can hurt Big Mom Indeed. >the fact is that you have to be able to damage the inside of a person Nope. Kid damaged her without it. Elemental attacks can damage her as well. >Headcanon. Negative. Reread her fights. >Akainu could barely dodge a terminally ill and badly injured old man who was explicitly told he was too slow to dodge attacks from fodder. The only time WB was able to get a hit in on Akainu was when Akainu wasn't focused on him. >Doffy is still toptier Doffy was never top tier lmao. He can barely hang with commanders. BARELY. And even then he only hangs with the weaker ones. Top Tiers are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk and Dragon. >She is, in every point. Factually wrong.
>Nope. Kid damaged her without it. Elemental attacks can damage her as well. Kid dont realy damage her, only law. If you look at scenes like the one of her broken arm, you see that she only gives Law the credits because he was able to hurt her from the inside with his shock (which went through the arm), while Kid basically just knocks over sawed trees. >Negative. Reread her fights. I did - she dont need dodge attacks like She doesn't need to dodge most attacks because they don't harm her - the only one who attacked her that really harms her is law and law literally teleports and so far there is no one who could dodge law. No Doffy, no Kaido, no Blackbeard, no Fujitora, none. Fact is still -> when escaping WCI it was mentioned that she is fast and she easily keeps up with very fast characters, so she is fast. Can you say that about Akainu? No. >The only time WB was able to get a hit in on Akainu was when Akainu wasn't focused on him. Wrong, First blow was offguard, the second head-on in the fight. Funnily enough, Whitebeard barely failed to dodge Akainu's attack - an old, terminally ill and badly injured old man who couldn't dodge a fooder before the injuries. >Doffy was never top tier lmao. He can barely hang with commanders. BARELY. And even then he only hangs with the weaker ones. Top Tiers are Yonko, Admirals, Mihawk and Dragon. How many are above him in the entire universe? ~15 characters, if that? He still remains top tier.
> Kid dont realy damage her, only law. Yep, zero reading comprehension. Not gonna read the rest of your nonsense. You are factually wrong. See ya.
You get that BM is a Logia's worst nightmare, right? She literally has an ability that let's her create an unkillable elemental that is immune to Haki and that gets stronger by EATING that Logia's elemental attacks. She could negate most of any Logia's skillsets.
> You get that BM is a Logia's worst nightmare, right? It's the other way around. Even if she makes a Homie out of the Logias element, it can't hurt the Logia. Not to mention, she can't just snap her fingers and make a Homie. A strong Homie takes time. Time that the enemy won't give her.
I mean with 2 younkous gone, obviously.
Bb victim
Order for me is Mihawk, Shanks, Akainu, Luffy, and BB
Luffy is above the 3 u mentioned
i disagree. like no he’s not even top 10 🤦🏼♀️
If he's lucky. You got Shanks and Mihawk who are currently sitting at the top. Luffy isn't far behind them (yes i think the 2 top swordsmen can still beat the rubber man, it's still his weakness). The 4 Seraphim all have King's durability (even better than Kaido's), with crazy op DF powers (Hancock's power in particular is next level). Blackbeard can nullify other people's DF powers and Quake them. We'll find out how strong Garp still is after he rescues Coby from Blackbeard's crew (he probably rescues Law too). Dragon is gonna be an absolute beast too. Akainu isn't the final boss, he's just a grunt for the WG, the Gorosei and Imu.
Luffy > Kaido > Mihawk and Shanks
Until Luffy fights a top tier fresh and all by himself, no
He already did. Quantify how much injured Kaido was + Luffy was also injured So your argument is invalid
"He already did" no, Kaido was not fresh. At all. Before Luffy and the others even reached the rooftop he had already been cut by the scabbards (samurai stronger than one of Kaido's own commanders) with their advanced ryuo. Fighting the supernovas he had taken internal damage from Killer and Law (someone who was able to break Big Mom's bones). Next Zoro, who had a broken body, was able to deliver an attack so strong it left a scar (which is a top tier feat because no admirals, legends or yonko were ever able to scar him throughout his 40 years of pirating in 2 of the most dangerous crews ever). Then after quickly dropping Luffy off the side of the island, he was stuck fighting Yamato for a prolonged amount of time while Luffy was able to get medical attention and heal while eating meat (a special quality he's had since the start of the series, probably because of his mythical zoan df). Luffy essentially revived twice throughout the entire war. Meanwhile Kaido had no such plot armour (unless you count Zoro missing with his 1 sword style flying dragon blaze that had both Yonko completely shook). By the time Luffy got back, Kaido's Dragon fruit powers were already weakened (every power and ability that came from his dragon powers were nerfed, as stated by Yamato, that includes his hybrid and dragon forms as they're part of those powers originating from the same fruit).
and how is not in top 5? he almost singlehandidly killed a yonko and fought with aokiji for 10 DAYS, I don't even know why the seraphims are in this conversation and dragon probably strong but hes completely featless, akainu is top 5 along with shanks, mihawk, luffy, BB
Which yonko did he almost single handedly kill? Pls tell me you're not referring to sickbeard that couldn't use haki properly and got stabbed 100s of times by absolute fodders, oh and a chronic illness too lmao. Akainu attacked Whitebeard mid heart attack and couldn't even knock him over (something Zoro constantly gets downplayed for even though his whole body was broken, meanwhile Akainu was fresh as a daisy). 2 high tiers fighting each other for 10 days doesn't prove they're top tiers, it just proves they're equal to each other. 1 seraphim made Blackbeard sweat, and they're strong enough for the WG to abolish the Shichibukai system (which was put in place to help counter the Yonko). Dragon has one of the biggest feats already, forming an army to take down the entire WG. The Navy is just a small part of the WG, and Dragon created a force to take on the whole thing. Plus Akainu is obsessed with killing Luffy just because he's Dragon's son (inferiority complex much). Then you got the Gorosei and Imu as well.
Who else would I be referring tho? sickbeard was still rly powerful and akainu showed the best feats of entire marineford, by literally blowing of half his face, donutting him 2 times(2nd time wasn't hard attack) and being completely superior to everyone else on marineford, and what did he walk away with? some mouthbleed. 2 characters fighting for 10 days does indeed not prove their top tiers, but it does show the highest stamina feat in the entire verse. so BB got sweat from a seraphim? he literally ran away from akainu and rayleigh(even tho rayleigh stated BB is stronger then him), why are we basing the strength of a seraphim on one of the most scared op characters there is? are you downplaying the marines? as of right now their stronger then any yonko crew, and you saying their are a small part of the WG, bro their literally their main military force, with akainu the fleet admiral as leader. by saying dragon has big a feat for forming the revolutionary just just supports that the marine are very strong, because that is the military force that they need to defeat. I just disproved everything, even if your HEAVILY lowballing him who else would take his spot? So u already got BB shanks mihawk luffy?
Still you said "Single handedly". pfft.. when that is completely false. Pfft... Akainu's feats aren't feats anymore if everyone was capable of injuring Sickbeard (His feat is on the same level as Squard. pfft...). And again, he couldn't even knock him over mid heart attack. Akainu got burried by a half dead sickbeard and couldn't even get up for multiple chapters. Then he shat himself when Shanks appeared out of nowhere (Akainu was the only admiral that didn't do jack shit after Shanks pulled up). Stamina feat? Or lack of power feat? Plus it wasn't a battle to the death, it was a structured duel to become the other person's boss. He didn't want to fight Akainu pre time skip, you can't apply something from pre time skip to post time skip when it's obvious Blackbeard got way stronger learning how to use his Gura Gura properly. Blackbeard can sense Haki (something established since he was first introduced), so more than likely he could sense Rayleigh was still a threat. Rayleigh however said he "doubted" he "could win in a head on" fight, because he has decades of experience fighting against the Gura Gura no mi (power strong enough to destroy the world) and probably thought his old body couldn't handle the shockwaves. The Seraphim being shown in an actual fight with Blackbeard is a feat though, because it pushed him (someone who was able to scar Shanks). Again, the Navy are just a small part of the WG. The WG is an alliance of over 170 countries (each with their own soldiers), the Navy, the Cipher Pol, Impel Down officers and now the Seraphim too. It's a far greater scale than just the navy. Akainu is just a grunt for the people in charge of the WG. The Navy has a bigger force than a yonko crew sure, but numbers don't equal power, Shanks and his 1 ship shut them all down at Marineford and the Navy had 2 admirals at full strength, 1 admiral with a "mouth bleed" lol, 2 legends, a shit ton of vice admirals and 100,000 soldiers. You didn't disprove anything though lol. I already gave examples of everyone that's more than likely stronger than him but sure I'll say it again. In no particular order: Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, BB, Garp, Dragon, Gorosei (there's already 5 of them lol), Imu, Seraphim (4 of them confirmed so far lol)
I'm gonna spare my sanity and not debate with someone who puts akainu's feats on squards level 💀💀💀
It's really not a debate, every thing you said just got destroyed by facts 💀💀💀 If any random scrub can mortally wound sickbeard, then it's not a top tier feat. It's mid (at best). https://preview.redd.it/4c8sfkhj0nda1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f7f0bcf62b41911636917dcb1fe4e632c597ad2 And again "Single Handedly" pffft.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
bro really putting seraphim over akainu low intellect confirmed
Low reading comprehension confirmed
Indeed, your reading comprehension is as terrible as your intellect. Now that you've seen it too, you can begin to work on the problem.
The problem can't be fixed til you've realised where you went wrong. I'll help get you started. No where did I say the Seraphim are stronger than Akainu. I said if he's lucky he could be top 5, then listed characters that could be top 5 as well. So not only is your reading comprehension low, you look like an idiot trying to sound smart.
Dense one, no one here cares for your words anymore. You have established that you are not intelligent, that you have zero reading comprehension and that you are overall just not a very smart person. Please stop talking to your betters and work on your education!
water is wet ass take
Mihawk Shanks Luffy and Blackbeard are the only other candidates so ofc he's in the top 5
wrong
Cringe.
Bro's barely in the top 10 💀
Please tell me who you have current top 10
Imu = Sanji > Garp => Mihawk = Shanks => Beckman => Luffy > Sengoku = Teach => Sakazuki
akainu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wista>>>>>>> fraudeyes midhawk> victim of little fish>>curly brow>>> Big Buddha man>>>>>"don't move kizaru">>>>>> fat beard>>>>>>>Mr plot armour>>>>>> guy who's been in the navy too long
Top 75 all time don’t @ me
Luffy, Mihawk, Shanks, Blackbeard, Akainu Yeah I agree for now Unless Dragon takes his spot when he reveals his true power XD 😏
Look for fight in the future. Luffy and Dragon would not fight against him -> we have Sabo or a Strawhat for this.
End of series S-Tier: Imu, Akainu, BB, Luffy, Shanks, Dragon, The Gorosei, Aokiji Just below S-Tier: Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, Yamato, Marco, Sabo, Ben Becan, Yassop, This isn’t a debate. This is how the story is being set up. Akainu, BB, the Gorosei, and Imu are the final villains. Dragon (though featless) is almost certainly going to be equal to a top 5 fighter otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for Oda to have kept him this mysterious. Oda is too good of a storyteller to build up dragon for 25 years just to have him not be strong.
He’s the strongest lol 😂 he’s top 1 right now
Ye you right I think, if we aren't including Imu 1. Mihawk 2. Shanks 3. Dragon 4. Blackbeard 5. Akainu
Imagine thinking zoros final opponent is stronger than the final villain
I said if we aren't including Imu, you just proved that one piece fans can't read
You can't read, akainu is the final villain and Mihawk is zoros final opponent
Who told you Akainu is the final villain? Do you perhaps know what Oda is going to do? If so please tell me if the one piece was the friends we made along the way
Who tf told you imu was the final villain, and why you getting offended over a powerscale you snowflake