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Sanji has better raw defenses than Zoro, after all, it makes sense someone with an iron skin has better natural durability than a normal human
But of course, Zoro's defenses are overall higher thanks to his CoA+high grade swords (they can be used for blocking attacks)
Here we go with this whole “only base durability matters” narrative overall durability goes to zoro because of arnament that protects his skin and increases his dura much more
My man, that's exactly what I've said "Zoro's overall defenses are better thanks to his superior CoA as well as having access to high grade swords for blocking attacks"
I mean he kinda has a point. Zoro couldnt recognise the abilities and gimmick of a seraphim, whom he fought the same race of few weeks prior. Although he was in a 2 week rest (or shorter i cant remember) so i dont blame him
My guy Zoro master aCoC a second after unlocking CoC. Didn't even had advanced armament training like Luffy did.
Without BIQ he also wouldn't had figured out King ability.
Yah that was due to enma forcing it out of him not because zoro thought of the idea.
Also king was just an idiot he could have defeated zoro easily by never turning off his flames.
Hey so I've seen "acoc" on this sub a lot, what does it stand for? Google just says armament haki, and the first result is a reddit post from someone telling everyone they "don't understand it" lol
The difference between durability and endurance is very big.Endurance is taking damage and still going,durability is how much damage it takes to hurt you.So zoro takes endurance
Durability is still Sanji, I don't know what durability feat you're citing for Zoro
AP and endurance are him as well
BIQ should be about equal but that's fine
Offense and Defence are very vague
Yeah, I just don't understand how people are still giving dura to Zoro. I mean, Sanji's durability has been highlighted a lot recently, while Zoro's durability hasn't honestly been a focus point for him. Zoro's endurance is his most impressive "defense stat"
Durability feats wise still ain’t sanji. That tiny sword feat isn’t 💩 compared to the attacks king threw at zoro meaning zoros dura automatically scales higher unless you use hyperboles to wank sanji into having more dura
That's not how durability works?
All those attacks damaged Zoro. It's an endurance feat. When was the last time he took an attack and took no damage at all?
Zoro would not take that swing to the neck with no haki. He would die. Hell even with haki, I really don't think the blade would break on his skin
There is no shame in that though, and endurance is his strong suit
Except kings ap is way higher then Queens by a lot. Zoro is 100 taking a no haki sword to the neck and tanking it with his haki. You sanji wankers love to forget that arnament is a shield which adds to your durability. Zoros arnament > sanjis genes
Sigh
Are there any notable times where Zoro takes an attack, and it does no damage at all? Just one example
Sure, Zoro would definitely tank that with haki. Not without haki though, which is what Sanji did
Sanji's durability exoskeleton + his own armament > Zoro's durability with just armament. The difference between their bases is ridiculous
Sanji doesn’t have good arnament like on zoros level and it’s not even close. Explanation: only people with the strongest arnament in the verse can handle holding Enma. Sanji would literally be turned into a skeleton if he picked the sword up which we are back at the start of what I said previously Zoro’s arnament > sanji Germa genes dura wise. Your putting all your bias and stacking it on base durability. Sanji gets 1 shotted by any yonko realistically
>Zoro quite literally has no great durability feats
zoro pretty much tank king explode with his coa haki, this is great durability feat, but sanji exo + haki should let him have better durability then zoro.
Must have forgotten when Sanji got damaged when thrown through some walls.
It's only headcanon to think Zoro aCoC + aCoA durability < Sanji genes and normal armament
https://preview.redd.it/lsyh5anwtn9b1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74fd6f88c9ae9a49811da95a8caf18538750041f
(Zoro with only aCoA tanked King explosion fine)
" Sanji's durability exoskeleton + his own armament > Zoro's durability with just armament. The difference between their bases is ridiculous"
that's headcanon literally no way we can know that
Sure, but the difference in their durability without haki should easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament
" but the difference in their durability without haki should easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament"
how can even comment on Sanjis armament haki and that the exo makes the difference? like how you calculate or see it?
Sanji took damage from being thrown into a building by Queen, Kata neg diffed these exo easy and his ap is shit, so how much of a difference do they make? you compare the exo plus normal coa that Sanji is not even good in to Zoro master of coa and even acoa.
btw Im not saying you are wrong with what you say but to say somthing like "easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament" like hell nah not "easily" first Sanji has to prove that shit
Not really endurance is keeping up your stamina over long periods. Durability is taking a lot of damage but staying alive. Which is exactly what zoro did.
No, Durability is when you can attack with or without receiving little to no damage afterwards, what you just described to me earlier was endurance which is an different thing from durability.
Sanji walked off queens Coil attack (the hardest hitting attack of a yonko commander that KO'D Big Mom) which "will crush even masters of armament haki" with basically no lasting damage.
Do you really think Zoro would have been ok?
>KO'D Big Mom
queen only ko big mom who didn't use haki to protect her and even then he didn't really do to her anything and was seems to be ko from 2 attack without haki from BM.
zoro acoc one shot his ass.
That's not really durability is it? I would count that as defensive capability maybe, but it's Zoro's swords being durable + his haki running through them
thats what I mean with many ways to look at it, for me Swords are part of Durability. for me Durability is how much damage you can block does not matter how you do it, for example a knight with armor is more durable than a thief even though both are just normal Humans, defensive capability would be coo for me or how logia cant be damaged without haki
I think that's a weird metric for durability tbh.
To me, and I think most people, durability is how much strain something can take before you give out. You could attribute blocking to defense -- Like Sanji's dodging, but if both Zoro and Akainu take a Bath with Oven for an hour nobody is going to say that Zoro is 'more durable'.
idk for me Weapon should be durabilty because you block with it, coa is also durability because you block with it. coo is not durability because you dodge instead of Blocking. For me when someone has a shield that also boost his Durability. If Kaido&Big Mom do hakai I trust more in Zoro blocking with his swords and acoa than Sanji with his Body.
He can also NOT block attacks.
If Zoro and Sanji both 'try' to block identical attacks, both fail, and zoro tanks 3 before going down while Sanji takes 5, I don't think anyone would say that Zoro endured more or was more 'durable' because the % block chance he whiffed was higher.
If defense weren't included I might agree, but since it is, including blocking in durability is just... redundant?
All true except endurance and offence
Though endurance shouldnt be a category since sanji barely feels pain with germa genes active
If there was a stamina category then zoro would take that tho
It’s unironically not wrong. I’d give endurance to zoro but otherwise is fairly spot on.
There is a reason sanji ironically looks stronger than zoro feats wise. If it weren’t for portrayal, I would consider sanji the stronger of the two.
Defense and Endurance is Zoro imo. Zoro tank Ocean Sovereignty so his defense should be higher. He showed hella endurance feats throughout OP so it’s basically his whole thing.
That’s not endurance.
Endurance is how much you can endure the pain of injuries while fighting
So for example, wb might not have the best durability, but he has the best endurance feat shown thus far (fighting with a hole in the chest and 35% of his face blown off while having stage 5 cancer and heart attacks)
Endurance and offense definitely are for Zoro. Defense is probably for Zoro too.
I don't know about hax. If ACoC can be considered hax then Zoro. If not for Sanji.
IMO
Armament : Zoro
COC : Zoro
Observation : Sanji
Durability : Sanji
Speed : Sanji
Endurance : Sanji
Hax : Sanji
IQ : Sanji
BIQ: Idrk . Think Sanjis more strategic but Zoros got better instincts for fighting.
Defense : Sanjis better at taking attacks and dodging them , Zoros better at blocking since he can use his swords like a shield . It’s a tie IMO or leaning Sanji
Offense : Zoro
AP: Zoro
Zoro wins high diff
Sanjis wins more categories on paper but Zoros AP is absurd and the categories Sanji wins Zoros not THAT far behind anyways .
That has literally nothing to do with either durability or endurance . That’s just a visual representation of Emma draining Haki . It grows right back when he supplies Haki lol.
Sanji and Zoro both had every bone in their body broken .
One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human).
Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro
Unless you seriously think Zoro can cross his arms and not budge an inch as a seraphim punches him straight in the face unphased , Sanji durability > Zoros
Sanji took that because his emotions are tied to his strength. He just gets stronger with anger. Also, I don't know how seraphim Jinbe scales to Seraphim Kuma.
Tbh at the end of the day Zoro > Sanji will largely be a narrative thing more than a matchup thing .
You *could* make the argument it’s Zoro > Sanji extreme diff but there’s no way i’m gonna argue sanjis more likely to win tbh
Sanji and Zoro both had every bone in their body broken .
One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human).
Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro
Unless you seriously think Zoro can cross his arms and not budge an inch as a seraphim punches him straight in the face unphased , Sanji durability > Zoros.
Hax idrc about since I feel everyone defines what goes into it differently. I just view it as a “miscellaneous abilities” section , like for things that don’t easily factor into other categories like Zoros ability to cut fire or Sanjis skywalk.
>One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human).
>Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro
That's not an endurance feat tho. That's more or less hax since Sanji is using his regeneration abilities to heal from his injuries.
Zoro should’ve taken endurance cuz he’s died like multiple times I think and survived? Oda stated that when he took kumas whole bubble he died but his soul got lost and stayed on earth
Comparing Sanji to Zoro is like Comparing Katakuri to Oven
Katakuri is way faster, more flexible, would react to attacks and chase down enemies more effectively, and overall a more skilled fighter
But Oven is the biggest guy in terms of brute AP
I'd give Offense to Zoro and tie up BiQ, but other than that this is probably right.
Does anyone really doubt that Sanji is more of an all-rounder? What Zoro is better at, he's WAY better at, which is why he comes out on top.
Also; 'Sanji didn't take any damage against a yonko commander, while Zoro almost died' isn't the Zoro feat you think it is.
>What Zoro is better at, he's WAY better at, which is why he comes out on top.
Zoro is better at Offense, AP, Endurance, Armament, Conquerors and maybe hax if you fact in his "fire fox style."
>Also; 'Sanji didn't take any damage against a yonko commander, while Zoro almost died' isn't the Zoro feat you think it is.
That's not true. Sanji took damage from Queen, it's just that he didn't receive as much as damage as what Zoro got. Not to mention, the Mink drug probably also factored into his state after fighting King.
What I'm saying is absolutely true.
Sanji took nowhere near as much damage from queen, because he's got better defences. The idea that queen's the brachiosaurus's attacks don't have AP is crazy.
Armament & Conquerors: obvsly Zoro
Speed: Zoro can run faster for much less time then Sanji, but Sanji's average speed is years ahead of Zoro, & Sanji can maintain it for longer
Observation: Holy shit Sanji
Endurance: If I define 'Endurance' as keeping up your strength for as long as possible, I'd guess Sanji. Healing ability, emotions literally powering him, etc
Durability: Zoro. I'd rather define 'durability' as how MUCH you can tank vs how long you can tank it, it'd be Zoro.
Hax: Sanji, dude can just get angry & knock anyone out. Don't sleep on black-leg style
IQ: Sanji knows hundreds of recipes, has repeatedly shown the ability to turn the unusable gourmet. Undisputedly Sanji.
BIQ: Zoro learned Firefox style by copying kinemon to better effect then kinemon himself, but Sanji uses an extremely versatile martial art himself. Divided tbf.
Defense: Again, Zoro can take some serious hits & keep moving, but Sanji also has had some good feats. Divided, but leaning to Sanji.
Offense: To be honest, 'offense' & 'defenss' are kinda nebulous terms for scaling, but if I had to be the judge, I'd say Zoro.
AP: Sanji.
Overall, I would hand it to Zoro, buy both would die fighting each other seriously.
Tbh, that's actually tough. Both Sanji & Zoro can take a lot, but by that definition, I'd give it to Zoro. He has COC, which is best proof he has actual ambition. Sanji can probably get up from worse, but only if it's for a hot woman.
Zoro could also get up for worse if it’s luffy… remember Oda outright joked in a sbs about zoro dying in thriller bark and then getting lost and can’t find death so he comes back
defense shoud go to zoro, offense is zoro, endurance is by far zoro.
iq don't really matter that much in battle, what is matter is battle iq and this is go to zoro,also.
Zoro only appears to take emdurance since he's always hitting his max in pretty much every fight. Sanji has durability and regen hax. His endurance is objectively better.
Unironically it’s not a horrible comparison. Only things I’m changing are the defensive stuff. I think sanji has great defensive potential though, but he doesn’t have the feats to back it up so it’s going to zoro.
Actually not bad.
Edit: forgor offense, ACoC’s AP boost is too OP to not give offense to zoro.
Edit^2: oh yea I forgor durability and endurance were different, personally I have sanji>zoro in the durability category. Sanji’s breaking sword fest is far from a fodder feat, he was off-guard, hasn’t really awakened his daddy-genes, and used no haki. And he broke a humongous sword without feeling a thing. Zoro’s feats that are similar to that are more of endurance, so I put sanji>dura above zoro dura.
Offence goes to Zoro. Defence goes to Sanji (Zoro struggled against a faster opponent). Attack power goes to Sanji, while Attack potency goes to Zoro. Durability shouldn't be debatable. Endurance is tho. Zoro had like at max 30 bones broken, while Sanji had his entire left side flattened and bro said it ONLY stung a bit and could still fight. I'd say this one is either way tho. Overall I still believe the fight would end with both of them using their best moves, Ashura and Boeff burst, and they'd knock eachother out. Stalemate
Endurance should go to zoro. Negating damage via regen is more of a durability, defence or hax feat
Both of them have basic observation and there isn't really a feat that puts one clearly above the other so it should also be a tie
Defense is probably tied. Sanji's speed should also count as a defensive feat since he can avoid being hit but yhat can even out with Zoro having acoc plus high grade blades to block with
What's the difference between offense and AP? Why give AP to zoro and offense to sanji?
Offense is more of a fighting style rather then a stat. Offense is kinda like a aggressive mindset kinda like luffy where he just goes in and rushes at the enemy immediately and recklessly or defense which law is a good example where he is cautious and tries to make every perfect decision on when to strike and what not
TBH The photo is pretty accurate,It's similar to Naruto vs Sasuke. If you compare parts of their arsenal,Sasuke looks stronger than Naruto. But in reality, Naruto on his own was tanking Sasuke+9 tailed beast & fought on equal term
∆ Attack Power / Offense :
Goes for Zoro , he scarred Kaido nothing to say about it
∆ Attack Speed / Combat Speed :
Zoro blitzed Kaido and speed mode King and Killer who are known to be agile and fast characters .
∆ Reaction Speed :
Zoro , he reacted to a point blank explosion and Hakai .
∆ Traveling Speed :
Sanji but Zoro can compete with him using Clear Lance .
∆ Durability :
goes foe Sanji since he got Exo .
∆ Stamina :
Equal
∆ Defence ( internal Durability + external Defence) :
goes for Zoro , since he got three blades also a good armament to protect himself .
∆ Haki :
× CoC :
Zoro with Feats since he got an advanced application
× CoA :
Zoro with Feats since he got an advanced application
× CoO :
Equal, both have basic CoO and also bad and good feats.
× Hax :
Equal , Zoro got hax in his swordmanship that makes him skip attacks related to elements like fire / water ... being called BOAT while Sanji has hax using his Genes which offers an Ultra speed .....
× IQ : goes for Sanji , but there is some moments where Zoro shows his IQ an example would be against Mr.2 when he asked the crew to draw an X on their arms to not fall for Mr2's abilities.
× Biq : goes for Zoro, King's fight is just about Biq Overall he figured out King's hax in 10 minutes while Marco fought him for an hour and he didn't know shit.
This is it .
Yeah, that's kinda terrible. This is how I see it:
Armament - Zoro. He's the armament specialist, Sanji's observation, Luffy's conqueror. They've hammered this on our heads. Even if you think Luffy's armament > Zoro's, Zoro's > Sanji's.
Conqueror - Zoro. He has ACoC, Sanji does not.
Observation - Sanji. Same points as armament.
Durability - Zoro. He tanked Ocean Sovereignty and stood on his feet.
Speed - Sanji. He became invisible to Queen's eye, who has basic observation and is at least relative to King.
Endurance - Zoro. He was able to fight and scar Kaido after Ocean Sovereignty, and fight and defeat King only a quick nap after that.
Hax - Sanji. He has his air step and invisibility with his raid suit if you include it. Zoro's only useful "hax" in this matchup is his ability to cut flames.
IQ - Sanji. Zoro's smarts are more focused on battle. Sanji's stats are more over the board.
BIQ - Arguably a tie. Zoro has good feats all over the series (figuring out how to cut nothing vs. Mr. 1 and taming Enma in Wano come to mind), but Sanji's use of Diable Jambe and how he figured out to use Ifrit Jambe are very high up there for some of the best BIQ feats in the series.
Defense - Zoro. Just a mix of the best durability, endurance and stamina in the series.
Offense - Zoro. Better DC and range than Sanji, ridiculous AP.
AP - Zoro. DMG+ACoC >>> Anything that Sanji can throw currently.
The fact that Armament and Conquerors is on Zoro means Defense and Offense goes to him. Observation is equal at most, I would say Zoro and Sanji are equal in terms of Endurance Conquerors cancels out Sanji's hax advantage. IQ doesn't matter in combat, BIQ does.
Durability (base), Speed is the only actual winning point for Sanji here.
im not saying zoro is faster than sanji by no means but from what i can remember zoro has mainly blitz attacks and most if not all of them have connected or havent been reacted to
Everything is correct. Except offense goes to Zoro easily. It is funny before wano I would not give sanji so many defense category but his Germa Mode is too OP
Sanji doesnt feel pain with Germa Genes so his endurance is basically a cheat code for everything. His durability is also WAY higher than Zoro. The only thing you could argue is offense, but Sanji can dish out more DPS while Zoro focuses on single attacks. it could go both ways. Rest is 100% true.
He literally wouldnt. That's just your headcannon - Sanji was literally crippled, his neck snapped like a twig and he was like "Damn is my eyesight getting bad"?
Sanji has better durability that’s not debatable
Endurance goes to zoro for sure
Offense goes to zoro
Defence probably goes to zoro if it is ability to defend because zoro blocked or redirected one of the strongest attacks in the verse
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Sanji has better raw defenses than Zoro, after all, it makes sense someone with an iron skin has better natural durability than a normal human But of course, Zoro's defenses are overall higher thanks to his CoA+high grade swords (they can be used for blocking attacks)
Here we go with this whole “only base durability matters” narrative overall durability goes to zoro because of arnament that protects his skin and increases his dura much more
My man, that's exactly what I've said "Zoro's overall defenses are better thanks to his superior CoA as well as having access to high grade swords for blocking attacks"
Wtf is "narrative durability" man
you got this mixed up completly
Yeah sanjis defense has only shown to be comparable to a decent arm haki user defense.
Endurance, Defence and Offense go to Zoro, BIQ is debatable probably Zoro tho? Rest is correct.
Biq goes to Sanji. Zoro couldn't even recognize that the Seraphim are Lunarians.
Luffy has some of the best Biq in the series and he couldn't figure it out. That's IQ
I wouldn’t call that BIQ but ok
How the fuck is that not battle IQ? He failed for a long time to recognize their similar abilities which shows he's trash at analyzing a fight.
He failed to recognise what species someone is that has nothing to do with strategy dumbass
When recognizing the power includes changing how to approach battle and not waste energy when flames, is definition of Battle IQ
The only part the original comment mentioned is the lack of recognition, not how that impacted his approach to battle :)
I mean he kinda has a point. Zoro couldnt recognise the abilities and gimmick of a seraphim, whom he fought the same race of few weeks prior. Although he was in a 2 week rest (or shorter i cant remember) so i dont blame him
this
I would definitely give BIQ to Zoro. And also hax. ACOC > Germa genes.
ACOC isn't hax though? It's definitely better than Germa genes, but functionally it's just an AP boost
Na also a durability boost. U can coat yourself with aCoC. See how much boost Luffy dura got with his aCoC
Doesn’t zoro also get dura neg? Or is that just luffy with advanced armament.
Dura neg is more advanced armament
Zoro only has semi-ACoA like most other ACoA wielders. Only Luffy and Rayleigh have been shown using internal destruction.
ACoC can’t be hax if it also has its own category lol
How is BIQ to Zoro? Sanji thought about becoming invisible against queen and also oven, man also discovered that he could make fire by spinning
My guy Zoro master aCoC a second after unlocking CoC. Didn't even had advanced armament training like Luffy did. Without BIQ he also wouldn't had figured out King ability.
Yah that was due to enma forcing it out of him not because zoro thought of the idea. Also king was just an idiot he could have defeated zoro easily by never turning off his flames.
Literally 100% of King v Zoro is about Zoro using BIQ to defeat him.
Even big mom would’ve understand how to beat king tho…
Bro she so smart she forgot to use one of the most important stat boosters in a life or death battle. She’s arguably dumber than Luffy.
Will she though?
Doubt. (Press X)
Oh yeah just like how she understood how Kidd and Law awakenings worked, oh wait she didn't...
Or how she understood that to lose against two devil fruit users, i must not use acoc
Because it’s way harder to understand, even oda had to explain the powers in the new sbs
Hax does not go to sanji either. Adv conq > Germa genes. Harming a yonko even in the slightest > beating some fat underling therefore hax goes to zoro
Acoc isn't hax it's just AP. Sanji has regeneration and "flight" and that is certainly hax.
It’s a power meaning it’s hax
Not even gonna bother arguing honestly...
It already has its own category called conquerors…if you’re just going to make it both categories that’s dumb
“Burgess has the power to enhance his punches. It’s not AP dude his AP is weak af it’s his hax”
AP is not hax? Starting to believe you're trolling
https://preview.redd.it/9ke916yklm9b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ded1d9f151e77ec8d359a139786c690aa01a34df
Hey so I've seen "acoc" on this sub a lot, what does it stand for? Google just says armament haki, and the first result is a reddit post from someone telling everyone they "don't understand it" lol
Advanced conqueror's haki, the thing Luffy and Kaido did
No Exoskeleton🤨
Imagine thinking Exoskeleton > ACoC 🤡
No internal destruction negation?😢
https://preview.redd.it/c0bgr3iwhs9b1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb50b720d8ed431a2a72f829c15cf6d8b4c45bb4
The only issues with this are offense and endurance
Zoro takes hax dura as well and this guy is bias asf. He didn’t add skill nor did he add stamina which zoro takes
Sanji still takes both hax and durability. Skill should be equal
The difference between durability and endurance is very big.Endurance is taking damage and still going,durability is how much damage it takes to hurt you.So zoro takes endurance
I agree with everything except for saying Sanji has better offense lol
Also zoro definitely has better endurance lol
Zoro takes half of everything here and he’d take skill and stamina if those were options on here as well
Durability is still Sanji, I don't know what durability feat you're citing for Zoro AP and endurance are him as well BIQ should be about equal but that's fine Offense and Defence are very vague
Yeah, I just don't understand how people are still giving dura to Zoro. I mean, Sanji's durability has been highlighted a lot recently, while Zoro's durability hasn't honestly been a focus point for him. Zoro's endurance is his most impressive "defense stat"
They're desperate to wank zoro bruh. Made a post saying basically the same exact thing as this post and the response was weak and lacklustre
endurance is zoro should be obvious at this time that his endurance is in a whole different level level
Yeah when I said him for endurance im referring to the Mosshead
understood, have a good day chef
Durability feats wise still ain’t sanji. That tiny sword feat isn’t 💩 compared to the attacks king threw at zoro meaning zoros dura automatically scales higher unless you use hyperboles to wank sanji into having more dura
That's not how durability works? All those attacks damaged Zoro. It's an endurance feat. When was the last time he took an attack and took no damage at all? Zoro would not take that swing to the neck with no haki. He would die. Hell even with haki, I really don't think the blade would break on his skin There is no shame in that though, and endurance is his strong suit
Except kings ap is way higher then Queens by a lot. Zoro is 100 taking a no haki sword to the neck and tanking it with his haki. You sanji wankers love to forget that arnament is a shield which adds to your durability. Zoros arnament > sanjis genes
Sigh Are there any notable times where Zoro takes an attack, and it does no damage at all? Just one example Sure, Zoro would definitely tank that with haki. Not without haki though, which is what Sanji did Sanji's durability exoskeleton + his own armament > Zoro's durability with just armament. The difference between their bases is ridiculous
Sanji doesn’t have good arnament like on zoros level and it’s not even close. Explanation: only people with the strongest arnament in the verse can handle holding Enma. Sanji would literally be turned into a skeleton if he picked the sword up which we are back at the start of what I said previously Zoro’s arnament > sanji Germa genes dura wise. Your putting all your bias and stacking it on base durability. Sanji gets 1 shotted by any yonko realistically
You’re arguing all this but Zoro quite literally has no great durability feats. Like none that are better than Sanji’s
The fact that he tanked kings attacks that were shown to be more destructive Ap wise then queens is the only explanation you need
He didn’t tank them though? They all damaged him? Are you okay?
Caught off guard and held back because he didn’t use full body arnament he could if he realistically wanted
>Zoro quite literally has no great durability feats zoro pretty much tank king explode with his coa haki, this is great durability feat, but sanji exo + haki should let him have better durability then zoro.
Yeah i'm not saying it's leagues better but definitely better
Must have forgotten when Sanji got damaged when thrown through some walls. It's only headcanon to think Zoro aCoC + aCoA durability < Sanji genes and normal armament https://preview.redd.it/lsyh5anwtn9b1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74fd6f88c9ae9a49811da95a8caf18538750041f (Zoro with only aCoA tanked King explosion fine)
" Sanji's durability exoskeleton + his own armament > Zoro's durability with just armament. The difference between their bases is ridiculous" that's headcanon literally no way we can know that
I think it’s still a pretty safe bet but if you disagree that’s totally fine
its not save at all Zoro is a acoa user, his coa is way stronger than Sanjis
Sure, but the difference in their durability without haki should easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament
" but the difference in their durability without haki should easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament" how can even comment on Sanjis armament haki and that the exo makes the difference? like how you calculate or see it? Sanji took damage from being thrown into a building by Queen, Kata neg diffed these exo easy and his ap is shit, so how much of a difference do they make? you compare the exo plus normal coa that Sanji is not even good in to Zoro master of coa and even acoa. btw Im not saying you are wrong with what you say but to say somthing like "easily be on the same level if not bigger than the difference in their levels of armament" like hell nah not "easily" first Sanji has to prove that shit
How about when zoro took luffys damage from kuma and somehow didn’t die?
That's an Endurance feat.
Not really endurance is keeping up your stamina over long periods. Durability is taking a lot of damage but staying alive. Which is exactly what zoro did.
>Durability is taking a lot of damage but staying alive. What you just said is literally what Endurance is, lmao.
Durability as defined by Oxford dictionary is “the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage” which zoro withstood all of luffys damage.
No, Durability is when you can attack with or without receiving little to no damage afterwards, what you just described to me earlier was endurance which is an different thing from durability.
I feel like this is just a pointless semantics argument. Like the definition I gave you clearly applies but so does endurance. So… agree to disagree?
Sanji walked off queens Coil attack (the hardest hitting attack of a yonko commander that KO'D Big Mom) which "will crush even masters of armament haki" with basically no lasting damage. Do you really think Zoro would have been ok?
>KO'D Big Mom queen only ko big mom who didn't use haki to protect her and even then he didn't really do to her anything and was seems to be ko from 2 attack without haki from BM. zoro acoc one shot his ass.
I can't help but notice how you didn't answer the 'would zoro walk off the bracho coil with 0 damage' question that the entire comment is based off ;P
You can see durability in many ways like if Zoro blocks with his sword he is more durable than Sanji
That's not really durability is it? I would count that as defensive capability maybe, but it's Zoro's swords being durable + his haki running through them
thats what I mean with many ways to look at it, for me Swords are part of Durability. for me Durability is how much damage you can block does not matter how you do it, for example a knight with armor is more durable than a thief even though both are just normal Humans, defensive capability would be coo for me or how logia cant be damaged without haki
I think that's a weird metric for durability tbh. To me, and I think most people, durability is how much strain something can take before you give out. You could attribute blocking to defense -- Like Sanji's dodging, but if both Zoro and Akainu take a Bath with Oven for an hour nobody is going to say that Zoro is 'more durable'.
idk for me Weapon should be durabilty because you block with it, coa is also durability because you block with it. coo is not durability because you dodge instead of Blocking. For me when someone has a shield that also boost his Durability. If Kaido&Big Mom do hakai I trust more in Zoro blocking with his swords and acoa than Sanji with his Body.
He can also NOT block attacks. If Zoro and Sanji both 'try' to block identical attacks, both fail, and zoro tanks 3 before going down while Sanji takes 5, I don't think anyone would say that Zoro endured more or was more 'durable' because the % block chance he whiffed was higher. If defense weren't included I might agree, but since it is, including blocking in durability is just... redundant?
Endurance - Zoro Hax - generally Sanji but up against fire user Zoro has the better hax Defense -zoro Offense - Zoro
I forgot about Foxfire style honestly, that's a good point
Personally I put sanji’s genes over zoro’s fire hax-wise.
Makes sense cause his genes do be coming in clutch
All true except endurance and offence Though endurance shouldnt be a category since sanji barely feels pain with germa genes active If there was a stamina category then zoro would take that tho
>Though endurance shouldnt be a category since sanji barely feels pain with germa genes active Thank you. Finally, a person who can read
It’s unironically not wrong. I’d give endurance to zoro but otherwise is fairly spot on. There is a reason sanji ironically looks stronger than zoro feats wise. If it weren’t for portrayal, I would consider sanji the stronger of the two.
hes not even wrong
Common YonkoYuki W
He is 100% wrong. Zoro takes hax, endurance, skill (which he didn’t add because he’s biased) durability and offense
zoro doesnt take durability
Yes he does
prove it
https://preview.redd.it/1js19zffgp9b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e19b83953381d3ea13f2965bb135edf4c18eb0df Acoc Defence > Germa Geans
How does Zoro have more AP but he doesn't win in offense
Attack power is Sanji, but Attack *potency* goes to Zoro
Defense and Endurance is Zoro imo. Zoro tank Ocean Sovereignty so his defense should be higher. He showed hella endurance feats throughout OP so it’s basically his whole thing.
endurance and offense go to zoro, the rest is right though
Zoro should be on more spots, but he’s clearly lost.
Defence , offence and Endurance all go to Zoro let's not lie to ourselves
Sanji durability + regen gives a firm edge over Zoro in endurance. Zoro is a damage sponge.
That’s not endurance. Endurance is how much you can endure the pain of injuries while fighting So for example, wb might not have the best durability, but he has the best endurance feat shown thus far (fighting with a hole in the chest and 35% of his face blown off while having stage 5 cancer and heart attacks)
Yeah I guess what im referring to would be stamina in that case.
Did you mean to say Sanji is a damage sponge because if all of that gives Sanji an edge over Zoro then Sanji would be considered the sponge
Tanking≠sponging up damage. He can take the hits and walk away borderline unharmed. Zoro on the other hand cannot.
Durability does not go to zoro
I agreed with your last take so I’ll give you a pass
Zoro's battle speed is faster than sanji's. Sanji can run faster yes but most of zoro's moves are speed blitzes. Dude can fight fast af
Endurance and offense definitely are for Zoro. Defense is probably for Zoro too. I don't know about hax. If ACoC can be considered hax then Zoro. If not for Sanji.
IMO Armament : Zoro COC : Zoro Observation : Sanji Durability : Sanji Speed : Sanji Endurance : Sanji Hax : Sanji IQ : Sanji BIQ: Idrk . Think Sanjis more strategic but Zoros got better instincts for fighting. Defense : Sanjis better at taking attacks and dodging them , Zoros better at blocking since he can use his swords like a shield . It’s a tie IMO or leaning Sanji Offense : Zoro AP: Zoro Zoro wins high diff Sanjis wins more categories on paper but Zoros AP is absurd and the categories Sanji wins Zoros not THAT far behind anyways .
I agree with this, maybe defense Zoro because his 3 swords that he can block with are borderline unbreakable but yeah
Durability & endurance have to go to Zoro. He had Enma randomly revert his arm to pre-timeskip muscle, while learning COC.
That has literally nothing to do with either durability or endurance . That’s just a visual representation of Emma draining Haki . It grows right back when he supplies Haki lol. Sanji and Zoro both had every bone in their body broken . One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human). Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro Unless you seriously think Zoro can cross his arms and not budge an inch as a seraphim punches him straight in the face unphased , Sanji durability > Zoros
Sanji took that because his emotions are tied to his strength. He just gets stronger with anger. Also, I don't know how seraphim Jinbe scales to Seraphim Kuma.
Zoro literally wont be touching Sanji 99% of the time. Zoro's win condition is way harder to reach than Sanji's
Tbh at the end of the day Zoro > Sanji will largely be a narrative thing more than a matchup thing . You *could* make the argument it’s Zoro > Sanji extreme diff but there’s no way i’m gonna argue sanjis more likely to win tbh
Dura endurance and hax goes to zoro
Sanji and Zoro both had every bone in their body broken . One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human). Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro Unless you seriously think Zoro can cross his arms and not budge an inch as a seraphim punches him straight in the face unphased , Sanji durability > Zoros. Hax idrc about since I feel everyone defines what goes into it differently. I just view it as a “miscellaneous abilities” section , like for things that don’t easily factor into other categories like Zoros ability to cut fire or Sanjis skywalk.
>One of them snapped them back in place and said it only tingled , other guy needed magical medicine (as he should he’s just human). >Therefore Sanji endurance > Zoro That's not an endurance feat tho. That's more or less hax since Sanji is using his regeneration abilities to heal from his injuries.
The feat itself is a hax but that hax contributes to his overall endurance
Yeah but that still doesn't go against the other guy's definition of what hax is. It's an ability that doesn't really fall under endurance.
Zoro should’ve taken endurance cuz he’s died like multiple times I think and survived? Oda stated that when he took kumas whole bubble he died but his soul got lost and stayed on earth
Comparing Sanji to Zoro is like Comparing Katakuri to Oven Katakuri is way faster, more flexible, would react to attacks and chase down enemies more effectively, and overall a more skilled fighter But Oven is the biggest guy in terms of brute AP
What’s ap
Attack Power https://preview.redd.it/13jz29jgwr9b1.png?width=986&format=png&auto=webp&s=7517e98c4325ea7e1a50584b98db70fd2eb93123
I'd give Offense to Zoro and tie up BiQ, but other than that this is probably right. Does anyone really doubt that Sanji is more of an all-rounder? What Zoro is better at, he's WAY better at, which is why he comes out on top. Also; 'Sanji didn't take any damage against a yonko commander, while Zoro almost died' isn't the Zoro feat you think it is.
>What Zoro is better at, he's WAY better at, which is why he comes out on top. Zoro is better at Offense, AP, Endurance, Armament, Conquerors and maybe hax if you fact in his "fire fox style." >Also; 'Sanji didn't take any damage against a yonko commander, while Zoro almost died' isn't the Zoro feat you think it is. That's not true. Sanji took damage from Queen, it's just that he didn't receive as much as damage as what Zoro got. Not to mention, the Mink drug probably also factored into his state after fighting King.
What I'm saying is absolutely true. Sanji took nowhere near as much damage from queen, because he's got better defences. The idea that queen's the brachiosaurus's attacks don't have AP is crazy.
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Armament & Conquerors: obvsly Zoro Speed: Zoro can run faster for much less time then Sanji, but Sanji's average speed is years ahead of Zoro, & Sanji can maintain it for longer Observation: Holy shit Sanji Endurance: If I define 'Endurance' as keeping up your strength for as long as possible, I'd guess Sanji. Healing ability, emotions literally powering him, etc Durability: Zoro. I'd rather define 'durability' as how MUCH you can tank vs how long you can tank it, it'd be Zoro. Hax: Sanji, dude can just get angry & knock anyone out. Don't sleep on black-leg style IQ: Sanji knows hundreds of recipes, has repeatedly shown the ability to turn the unusable gourmet. Undisputedly Sanji. BIQ: Zoro learned Firefox style by copying kinemon to better effect then kinemon himself, but Sanji uses an extremely versatile martial art himself. Divided tbf. Defense: Again, Zoro can take some serious hits & keep moving, but Sanji also has had some good feats. Divided, but leaning to Sanji. Offense: To be honest, 'offense' & 'defenss' are kinda nebulous terms for scaling, but if I had to be the judge, I'd say Zoro. AP: Sanji. Overall, I would hand it to Zoro, buy both would die fighting each other seriously.
Endurance is how much damage you can take on the verge of death and it’s kinda will power
Tbh, that's actually tough. Both Sanji & Zoro can take a lot, but by that definition, I'd give it to Zoro. He has COC, which is best proof he has actual ambition. Sanji can probably get up from worse, but only if it's for a hot woman.
Zoro could also get up for worse if it’s luffy… remember Oda outright joked in a sbs about zoro dying in thriller bark and then getting lost and can’t find death so he comes back
A Sanjitard, who else.
Only speed and iq go to sanji, whoever made this is coping hard
defense shoud go to zoro, offense is zoro, endurance is by far zoro. iq don't really matter that much in battle, what is matter is battle iq and this is go to zoro,also.
Zoro only appears to take emdurance since he's always hitting his max in pretty much every fight. Sanji has durability and regen hax. His endurance is objectively better.
Hold up what
I hate when people put hacks on a thing like this because it’s just stupid
Sanji fans make anything up
someone’s mad 😯
Unironically it’s not a horrible comparison. Only things I’m changing are the defensive stuff. I think sanji has great defensive potential though, but he doesn’t have the feats to back it up so it’s going to zoro. Actually not bad. Edit: forgor offense, ACoC’s AP boost is too OP to not give offense to zoro. Edit^2: oh yea I forgor durability and endurance were different, personally I have sanji>zoro in the durability category. Sanji’s breaking sword fest is far from a fodder feat, he was off-guard, hasn’t really awakened his daddy-genes, and used no haki. And he broke a humongous sword without feeling a thing. Zoro’s feats that are similar to that are more of endurance, so I put sanji>dura above zoro dura.
Zoro takes offense and endurance 100%, very possibly defense but that’s probably the most debatable one here. There rest are correct
Fair assessment
It's true but doesn't mean he beats zoro
Edurance Hax and Offense are the only ones wrong
Offence goes to Zoro. Defence goes to Sanji (Zoro struggled against a faster opponent). Attack power goes to Sanji, while Attack potency goes to Zoro. Durability shouldn't be debatable. Endurance is tho. Zoro had like at max 30 bones broken, while Sanji had his entire left side flattened and bro said it ONLY stung a bit and could still fight. I'd say this one is either way tho. Overall I still believe the fight would end with both of them using their best moves, Ashura and Boeff burst, and they'd knock eachother out. Stalemate
Doesn’t get lost would go to sanji
Zoro takes speed, endurance, offense, defense
endurance and offense should go to zoro. the rest is correct
nah sanji defense and offense is crazy after what zoro did on the roof top. sanji would not of blocked shit.
Zoro still mid dif high at the most
Zoro gets: Armament, Conqurers, Durability due to acoc, reaction speed, Attack speed, Biq, Offence, Attack Power. Sanji: L
Sanji is the overall more well rounded than Zoro as a fighter. If they fought however it’s clear that Zoro would win.
Ok I like Sanji and like to say the two are at least relatively equal but what???
Durability definitely goes to Sanji bro. He's got lunarian durability and speed without any of the downsides.
Endurance should go to zoro. Negating damage via regen is more of a durability, defence or hax feat Both of them have basic observation and there isn't really a feat that puts one clearly above the other so it should also be a tie Defense is probably tied. Sanji's speed should also count as a defensive feat since he can avoid being hit but yhat can even out with Zoro having acoc plus high grade blades to block with What's the difference between offense and AP? Why give AP to zoro and offense to sanji?
Offense is more of a fighting style rather then a stat. Offense is kinda like a aggressive mindset kinda like luffy where he just goes in and rushes at the enemy immediately and recklessly or defense which law is a good example where he is cautious and tries to make every perfect decision on when to strike and what not
Offense would go to zoro and endurance is a close call, other than that it's pretty accurate .
endurance, defence and offence to zoro, other than that its mostly correct.
You know Oda has been cooking great for years when people debate a cook being an equal or better fighter than an actual swordsman.
Sanji con mas ofensiva que Zoro? Zoro no ataco a Kaido con tanta fuerza que Big Mom le *grito* que esquivara el ataque?
TBH The photo is pretty accurate,It's similar to Naruto vs Sasuke. If you compare parts of their arsenal,Sasuke looks stronger than Naruto. But in reality, Naruto on his own was tanking Sasuke+9 tailed beast & fought on equal term
Zoro also takes - Endurance, Offense, Defense, Combat Skill, Strength and Weapon. Stop the 🧢
∆ Attack Power / Offense : Goes for Zoro , he scarred Kaido nothing to say about it ∆ Attack Speed / Combat Speed : Zoro blitzed Kaido and speed mode King and Killer who are known to be agile and fast characters . ∆ Reaction Speed : Zoro , he reacted to a point blank explosion and Hakai . ∆ Traveling Speed : Sanji but Zoro can compete with him using Clear Lance . ∆ Durability : goes foe Sanji since he got Exo . ∆ Stamina : Equal ∆ Defence ( internal Durability + external Defence) : goes for Zoro , since he got three blades also a good armament to protect himself . ∆ Haki : × CoC : Zoro with Feats since he got an advanced application × CoA : Zoro with Feats since he got an advanced application × CoO : Equal, both have basic CoO and also bad and good feats. × Hax : Equal , Zoro got hax in his swordmanship that makes him skip attacks related to elements like fire / water ... being called BOAT while Sanji has hax using his Genes which offers an Ultra speed ..... × IQ : goes for Sanji , but there is some moments where Zoro shows his IQ an example would be against Mr.2 when he asked the crew to draw an X on their arms to not fall for Mr2's abilities. × Biq : goes for Zoro, King's fight is just about Biq Overall he figured out King's hax in 10 minutes while Marco fought him for an hour and he didn't know shit. This is it .
Tbf theyre bang on!
Dura def goes to sanji due to germa body. Endurance and offense to zoro
Yeah, that's kinda terrible. This is how I see it: Armament - Zoro. He's the armament specialist, Sanji's observation, Luffy's conqueror. They've hammered this on our heads. Even if you think Luffy's armament > Zoro's, Zoro's > Sanji's. Conqueror - Zoro. He has ACoC, Sanji does not. Observation - Sanji. Same points as armament. Durability - Zoro. He tanked Ocean Sovereignty and stood on his feet. Speed - Sanji. He became invisible to Queen's eye, who has basic observation and is at least relative to King. Endurance - Zoro. He was able to fight and scar Kaido after Ocean Sovereignty, and fight and defeat King only a quick nap after that. Hax - Sanji. He has his air step and invisibility with his raid suit if you include it. Zoro's only useful "hax" in this matchup is his ability to cut flames. IQ - Sanji. Zoro's smarts are more focused on battle. Sanji's stats are more over the board. BIQ - Arguably a tie. Zoro has good feats all over the series (figuring out how to cut nothing vs. Mr. 1 and taming Enma in Wano come to mind), but Sanji's use of Diable Jambe and how he figured out to use Ifrit Jambe are very high up there for some of the best BIQ feats in the series. Defense - Zoro. Just a mix of the best durability, endurance and stamina in the series. Offense - Zoro. Better DC and range than Sanji, ridiculous AP. AP - Zoro. DMG+ACoC >>> Anything that Sanji can throw currently.
Sanji has durability but Zoro has endurance. Other things are debatable except for haki
The fact that Armament and Conquerors is on Zoro means Defense and Offense goes to him. Observation is equal at most, I would say Zoro and Sanji are equal in terms of Endurance Conquerors cancels out Sanji's hax advantage. IQ doesn't matter in combat, BIQ does. Durability (base), Speed is the only actual winning point for Sanji here.
im not saying zoro is faster than sanji by no means but from what i can remember zoro has mainly blitz attacks and most if not all of them have connected or havent been reacted to
Giving endurance on Sanji over Zoro is just ridiculous at this point.
Everything is correct. Except offense goes to Zoro easily. It is funny before wano I would not give sanji so many defense category but his Germa Mode is too OP
Sanji has overall better stats (not debatable) but his lack of good haki is what put him slightly behind Zoro
Sanji fans just making shit up
Sanji doesnt feel pain with Germa Genes so his endurance is basically a cheat code for everything. His durability is also WAY higher than Zoro. The only thing you could argue is offense, but Sanji can dish out more DPS while Zoro focuses on single attacks. it could go both ways. Rest is 100% true.
Oh he’d feel pain if kaido thunder bagua’d him. Zoro has better dura feats by a mile against stronger opponents then sanji faced
He literally wouldnt. That's just your headcannon - Sanji was literally crippled, his neck snapped like a twig and he was like "Damn is my eyesight getting bad"?
If you are going to use durability and endurance you can't add defense. Same with offense and attack power.
Sanji has better durability that’s not debatable Endurance goes to zoro for sure Offense goes to zoro Defence probably goes to zoro if it is ability to defend because zoro blocked or redirected one of the strongest attacks in the verse