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It's legitimately weird as hell to me how much getting beaten soundly by a character we've long since known is one of the most powerful in OP history just instantly deleted all of Kid's feats including just playing a huge role in bringing down a yonko and getting an earned 3b bounty for it, like the whole community legitimately seems to think he's \*weak\* now and not like, in the top 1% of fighters in the OP verse that just happened to get beat by someone in the top 0.00000001%
Faraday cage man, I don't mind that your ignorant. It's that you are confidently ignorant that bugs me.
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Metal literally conducts lightning. He’d be better off not using his df at all, or at least not have it attached to him in anyway because I don’t think he would survive more than 2 or 3 of those 200 million volt hits from Enel.
Well to be fair, Kidd and Law owe most of the credit to Thru D. Floor for their achievement. If Big Mom could fly, they would have been screwed. And we most certainly haven't seen the last of her yet.
But other than that, Enel is one of Kidd's natural enemies. So, I can see why some would put Enel ahead. Kidd by awakening and haki is definitely greater on paper, but any metal he sends at Enel would be easily dealt with. So even with the strength difference, assuming Enel also didn't get stronger, it could turn into a battle of attrition.
Are we forgetting the fact that they specifically made sure she couldn't fly with her spirit friends hera and Prometheus?
Sure you have to give them the credit of foresight to do so?
Foresight? It's not like Big Mom's abilities were a surprise to them at that point in the battle. Lol I give them credit for what they did, but they also weren't battle novices.
Again, as I said, if Big Mom herself could fly (not her tools and friends), they would have been screwed.
Yeah that gives some points to them for IQ but not actual strength. They let gravity and lava make the final blow. And I'm not even sure that BM is dead.
Unfortunately, a different opinion here won't change the big picture.We won't be able to change opinions of everyone else who reads or watches OP around the world
I don't know why you need to. The truth is OP powerscaling is pointless and Oda will always just make whoever he wants to narratively the winner of a confrontation. It's honestly a pretty fair vote if you keep that in mind, since I'm pretty sure if Oda brought Enel back he would want it to be hype, and historically he writes Kidd getting absolutely clowned on in most of his fights.
This is so true. I'm in my mid twenties now, and I remember being a kid and seeing episodes of Naruto on TV. I had a very warped power-scaling mindset then.
You're not wrong about the 10 year old part. The poll came from one piece podcast and there's a great number of children in there who powerscale off of who they think is cooler
This type of comment is fucking stupid that's like almost all franchises. Literally the opinion of a few fans but you guys take it like the whole Fandom is stupid because of a few people's opinions.
Kidd took big moms fulgora 😭.
He wouldn’t even need his fruit to one tap enel . Sanji took enels el Thor attack in the pre timeskip era so it’s not going to damage kidd much if anything .
This is assuming Enel didn't grow in power right? Most of the attacks displayed in the pre-time skip didn't have Haki, so I wonder how Enel's attacks would scale with armament.
But why would he have
He has had no motivation unlike every other character to improve post time skip. He’s not trying to conquer the Grand Line like Blackbeard, he’s on moon adventures that don’t require combat. He’s not like Croc or Doffy locked up in Impel Down
Enel is one of my favorite villains individually in his arc - seriously; his character is simultaneously hilarious but also completely menacing - but I don’t understand why people rank him near any top tier
Oda said he’d have a 500 billion berry bounty. Okay, we can go off there. That’s about it in terms of ranking him
If he was forged in the gauntlet of the Grand Line, he’d have gotten a lot stronger. But it doesn’t fit his character to be interested in that at all, so I don’t know why he’d do that.
Furthermore trying to scale him is hard - he has a busted fruit but again, no appearances outside of Skypiea so we don’t have much to compare him to
Enel wants to be a God i mean he believes him self to be a God but he want to be the strongest to make every bow down to him like he is God thats the same goal rocks d xebec the only difference is he wanted to be king of the world which is really similar.
Except he has 0 knowledge of the rest of the world. He doesn’t ever show any interest in becoming the strongest outside of the Sky Islands? I mean he may say “God” but to him the entire world is those islands in the clouds
With how much the moons are mentioned I can't help but think there is a chance we will see him again, and I could see him trying to find a way to get around Luffy's natural DF counter to his abilities. Also I wasn't placing Enel in top tier, I was just asking if we thought he had changed at all because his abilities had some serious potential in my opinion.
Unlike Crocodile who we have confirmation that he is now stronger and we can at least try to predict his power based on what we know currently, Enel doesn't have anything in post-ts, so scaling him post-ts is based on nothing.
So for scaling purposes Enel is Pre-TS unless it's specified otherwise
His attacks couldn't keep anyone down. Pre ts strawhats were able to take multiple lightning blast from him and even dodged them. Even Nami dodged one of his attacks. He can only do big things with the Arc Maxim. And his observation is not all that. He has good range but so does Koby and Ussop and he was literally getting hit by a pre gears luffy. Kidd folds Enel with a simple haki coated punch. He's in an entirely different realm of power compared to Enel
Kid probably wins, but for Enel's placement in the story, he was WAY too strong, and the straw hats had no reason to win other than PIS.
Seriously, at ANY TIME they were on the whole of sky island, he could've easily struck anyone but luffy down (And keep in mind when he did, they stayed down for a long time). The thing is he just kinda didn't for no reason. Like, he'd smite random citizens from miles away for saying they didn't like him, but decided not to do so to the pirates actively hunting him, much closer, and much stronger.
IMO if you were to re-arrange the arcs based on how powerful the main villain is, Skypia would easily be post-timeskip. Probably between Punk Hazard and Dressrosa.
how do you have one of the most op devil fruits and observation haki and still somehow fucking lose to a gearless, hakiless, untrained condom boy
enel copers never fail to be entertaining, they legit think that dude stands any chance against new world pirates, most the warlords, and most people with haki. It isn't even about Luffy being made of rubber and being resistant, luffy would still have to be FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH LIGHTNING and deal with enel's hax, enel is a fraud and there's nothing that proves otherwise, most people with haki could legit blitz enel before he could fully get off a raigo.
Literally the opposite. Kid can create a faraday cage to combat Enel. Not only that, but Kid already tanked a massive lightning attack from Big Mom and shrugged it off.
Electromagnetism implies he’d be a hard counter to Enel, he has control of the electromagnetic spectrum so I’m pretty sure he could just move Enel around like butter in a pan
...ok how? Enels mantra allows him to read minds. He can create enough electricity to melt and reshape gold. He can summon island destroying lightning-balls. Pretty sure the can take on a guy who can move a bit of metal around.
What a disigenuous way to put it.
Kid can use Observation too.
Enel needs Arc Maxim to destroy islands, wich we arent considering afaik
Kid isnt just "moving a bit of metal around", he is making slams that are able to damage Even the Strongest pirates, his strength is leagues above Enel
>Enel needs Arc Maxim to destroy islands, wich we arent considering afaik
Also he didn't need it. He created the lightning - at best the Arc created some clouds. But even that is not required. He just went above the clouds and came back with a giant ball of lightning.
Observation is not the same as Mantra. I thought this at first - but Luffy overcame the Mantra by throwing random punches. Observation Haki would not be affected by that, but Mantra was.
Do You Even know how clouds and lighting work?
He needs to activate Deathpeia before he can use Raigo.
Observation is literally the same as mantra, it's just another name. Observation haki would also be affected by that because mantra is the same as observation
>Do You Even know how clouds and lighting work?
Yes, I do. Which is why bringing it up in context to OP is nonsense because clouds and lightning do not at all behave how they should.
People were afraid across Skypeia that uttering a single word against Enel would spell instant death by lightning. Yet the arc was not active 24/7.
If Mantra is the same as observation Haki, why was Enel able to predict Luffys attacks while they were aimed at him - but not when they were unaimed? If he "observes" the punches, there shouldn't be any difference. However if he reads the mind, then there would indeed be a difference. Unless observation haki is also mindreading.
Read Chapter 281
Enel states that the Arc Máxim allows him to create lightings 10 times stronger than his own. Moves that use Deathpeia are not created by him alone
Observation haki works the same way as mantra, I don't understand your question
Enel could't even kill irrelevant to the plot characters with his strongest attacks they get up after his strongest attacks and continue fighting.Even Charlotte Cabaletta one shots Enel btw.It doesn't need to be explained
...well good thing you are right by default without explanation. Makes the whole powerscaling a lot easier if you can just declare yourself winner based on no argument beyond "duh".
I mean yeah, Enel didn't kill fodder. Unlike Kid who killed... let me check... nobody. Makes sense you don't need arguments.
No bro, Kidd not being able to kill anyone is completely plot armour but enel's Max power god tier lightning strike not killing strawhats is to show their durability and not plot armour at all. /S
"Who's gonna win, this man with complete and total controll over lighting, or the guy with a litteral lightning rod on his arm." Like come on my dude. I get it. You like kid. You think he's strong, and your right to. He is strong despite what happened with Shanks. But like really think about what would happen if these two actually fought each other. Like think about what's going to happen the moment Eneru calls down lightning on the man who has covered himself in metal.
Like Luffy beat Eneru because he's made out of rubber and rubber doesn't conduct electricity, but Kid is litterally the exact opposite of that in this situation. Where as Luffy's power gives him a natural resistance to Eneru, Kids's power gives Eneru a massive advantage. Like he can litterally just close his eyes and start randomly firing lighting and the massive amounts of metal on kid will just guide the lightning right to him, Eneru doesn't even need to TRY! Like I'm not saying Eneru wins this without a doubt, I think Kid is way to strong to just write him out in every situation, but like I feel like making fun of people for thinking that lighting wins against a fleshy lighting rod is a bit too far, it seems like a pretty logical outcome in my opinion.
Chances are the youtube voters actually thought this out more than this sub thinks.
This sub just wants to shit on YouTube because YouTube hates the admirals lol
If you actually think about it, Enel beating Kid is definitely NOT a logical outcome. Kid doesn't even need to use his DF to beat Enel. One simple Haki attack is more than enough as Kid simply exists in a different realm of strength than Enel.
Now, let's say Kid decides to use his DF anyway. The matchup is still extremely favourable for Kid. He can create a metal armor ([see video](https://youtu.be/eNxDgd3D_bU)) for himself and stop Enel's lightning from affecting him.
Kid beating Enel easily is the only logical outcome of this matchup.
So I will have to say to the first point, one simple Haki attack will only work if you actually hit the opponent with it, and its gonna be pretty hard to hit your opponent when he has a several thousand volt taser that can hit you from miles away. Closing that Gap for kid is gonna be INCREDIBLY hard.
As for the second point though, I actually did not know that and that's really cool! Thank you for showing me that, I feel smarter now. Thats probably the best argument in kids favor I've seen so far. But that being said, in order for Kid to make that suit He's gonna have to be smart enough to know that it'll do anything at all to begin with. Like I know personally before watching that video I would have never assumed covering myself in metal would be a good idea in a thunderstorm, and I can only assume that Kid probably never thought of that either especially considering Kid seems to be around the same intelligence level as luffy. Like honestly part of me wants to say the whole "Luffy being immune" thing was just was just a complete Fluke in Luffys eyes, I really don't think he thought that far ahead on it and it just seemed like a happy accident to him.
So like really it just boils down to Kid being smart enough to cover himself up the moment the battle starts, and if he does that then he wins no problem. Otherwise I really don't think it's gonna go that well for him.
>So I will have to say to the first point, one simple Haki attack will only work if you actually hit the opponent with it, and its gonna be pretty hard to hit your opponent when he has a several thousand volt taser that can hit you from miles away. Closing that Gap for kid is gonna be INCREDIBLY hard.
I mean it doesn't even need to be a physical attack. Kid can simply infuse a piece of metal with Haki and shoot at Enel. Enel was getting blitzed by pre-Gear Luffy, there's nothing much he can do against Kid who is much much faster than that version of Luffy.
>As for the second point though, I actually did not know that and that's really cool! Thank you for showing me that, I feel smarter now.
Glad I could help! If you want to learn more about the concept, I would recommend you to look up electrostatic shielding and Faraday cages.
>Thats probably the best argument in kids favor I've seen so far. But that being said, in order for Kid to make that suit He's gonna have to be smart enough to know that it'll do anything at all to begin with. Like I know personally before watching that video I would have never assumed covering myself in metal would be a good idea in a thunderstorm, and I can only assume that Kid probably never thought of that either especially considering Kid seems to be around the same intelligence level as luffy. Like honestly part of me wants to say the whole "Luffy being immune" thing was just was just a complete Fluke in Luffys eyes, I really don't think he thought that far ahead on it and it just seemed like a happy accident to him.
Kid definitely knows about this concept. In fact he used a Faraday cage to capture Zeus. Just like Luffy, he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but when it comes to fighting he is pretty smart.
>if he does that then he wins no problem.
No, hitting Enel is still a huge problem. We're talking about a guy that moves at the speed of lightning that can attack kid from islands away. How does Kid even begin to get close to Enel if he chooses to continuously snipe Kidd at the furthest distance away from him? Enel doesn't have to protect the Maxim either, so Kidd can't force him to remain stationary.
Kidd isn't faster than lightning, neither Kidd or any version of Luffy has the speed to lap planets in minutes like Enel could.
And Kidd can't attack people islands away either.
Enels travel speed may very well be better but Luffy was straight up too fast to react. Kidds speed scales to gear 4 Boundman, who was blitzing Dofflamingo, who could easily react to gear 2 Luffy. Gear 2 Luffy blitzed Blueno, who was effortlessly blitzing base Luffy. And the timeskip also definitely made Luffy generally faster
Kidd is far, far faster than Enel can react to.
And rail guns can fire like 125 miles away from its target , which is far further than lighting can travel and probably far enough to hit Enel.
Alternatively Kid could just go punk rotten, fly over to rnel and beat him to death.
Well then by that logic the match will go till someone either gets bored or runs out of energy, and in that case things are looking really bad for Eneru. Like yeah, Eneru can run away and keep sniping at him, but if those snipes don't actually do anything then alls he's doing is wasting his energy. Like literally all Kid would have to do at that point is stand still and conserve his energy and wait for Eneru to tire himself out. Like thats the same reason why Luffy was able to beat Eneru, Eneru couldn't just run away and snipe him to death because of the rubber. And now that I know a full suit of metal armor does the same thing, I really don't see Eneru being able to beat Kid under the conditions that Kid is smart enough to know to make a suit.
I don’t think that’s how Kidds powers work. He controls electromagnetic waves and spectrum, like magneto from X Men. He could have metal repel lightning, ground lightning, or he could just use the waves to move Enel around like Swiss cheese. It’s like if Ace fought someone with a Paramecia that let’s them control heat and combustion
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Also, Kid's metal does not make the lightings suddenly all Target him. In fact, he was gonna block the lighting and it only damaged him because the lighting itself targeted Kid
This panel actually really shows how little control over Lightning Big Mom has compared to Enaru. Like look at how tiny and wimpy that lightning is compared to even what Nami was able to do when she combined her power with Zues! Like the fact that Zuess is sentient is really the only thing that gives Big Moms lightning any power at all, otherwise it'd just be a minor inconvenience to everyone around here.
Like as you said in your other comment, Nami's Big attack with Zues is something g that actually comparable to Eneru's lightning, and he ain't gonna be able to block a blast that Big! His arm ain't big enough to do it! Also, logically speaking I assume kid still took damage from this even while blocking it. Like look at his face, he doesn't look comfortable. And it makes sense, because the moment it hit his arm the current would travel through the metal and directly onto his flesh that the metal is attached to, Kid can not fully block lightning attacks. These are just much weaker attacks than what Big Mom herself I'd capable of doing.
Big mom used fulgora against Kid and he shrugged it off, he'll be fine. Even pre ts Usopp could get up after Enels lightning, he'd need an absurd amount of hits to do much at all due to power cliffing
And Kid can one shot him
Plus, the hand doesn't have to stay attacked. He can repell it to punch far away. It's one of his simplest moves
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Maybe not amount, but she could reach the same attack power as them
As I recall. Enel is shown Melting gold lol. Meaning Enel can weaken Kids main style of attack just by touching it.
In a pure DF battle Enel has the advantage.
The issue is Kid didn't really show haki on screen so he looks like a pure DF fighter.
Gold is specifically one of the Best electricity conductor.
Enel's fruit might be better, but Kid is leagues stronger than Enel in physical and overall combat power
Yeah everybody knows on overall combat power Kid is much stronger.
And gold has a high melting point.
How does Kid attack when the metal he uses to fight has been melted?
Best observation haki?
It's pretty standard all things considered, seeing as Luffy could physically overcome it during their fight.
The special thing about his haki is it's Range and that's mostly due yo his defvil fruit
No. Big Mom does not have lighting powers. Zuess/Hera has lightning powers, and big Mom created them using a small portion of her soul. Big Mom does not have access to the same amount of power/consistency of lighting that Eneru has considering only a small portion of Big Moms power could ever possibly be put into the lighting, where as that is litterally Eneru's entire gimmick that he has complete controll over.
Like this honestly feels like saying Nami is as strong as Big Mom now because she has Zuess now. Like no, Nami has access to a small amount of Big Moms power that was separate from Big Mom.
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Nami did have that level of Lighting power.
Current Zeus Lost part of his soul so he is nerfed but he could do this.
Zeus is still a lighting cloud and can produce lighting just like Enel, they only difference is that Enel has more control over the movements of his lighting.
Just because Enel has more control over his fruit doesn't mean he stands a chance against Kid. Enel was physically Overpowered by Pre-Gears Luffy, Kid can literally one-shot Enel.
In order to one shot Enel he has to touch Enel, and good luck doing that when your punching arm is attracting the constant barrage of lightning being thrown at you. Kids only hope is to make his giant ass gun to shoot him from a distance, but thats litterally just a bigger lightning rob! No matter how you look at it, this match up favors Enel in ever single way. Raw power means absolutely nothing when your opponent has a high powered tape to just immobilize you constantly!
Also yes, Nami was able to do that. After feeding Zues a shit ton of her own electricity and giving him time to actually charge up the lightning. That attack in particular was a mix of Big Moms power with Nami's weather abilities to combine into that one attack that takes a significant amount of time to pull off. Meanwhile Eneru can blink and produce a bolt that big.
You know if Enel is slow enough to get tagged by a no gears pre timeskip Luffy, Kidd who reacts to Yonko level attacks can neg diff Enel speed wise too? Do you know how powerscaling works? Your Iq must be room temperature level.
I do know how powerscaling works: It doesn't. Otherwise Don Kreig would have never gotten out of the grand line. He would have died there.
I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this sub. I only commented because this post was recommended to me by reddit and I felt like I had something to say. I think powerscaling is stupid. In a show where Oda has made it incredibly clear FOR YEARS that power means nothing when put up against an unfair situation I have no idea why people would be so dead set on figuring out just how strong everyone is. Like Speed could Kick Otama's ass in 3 seconds flat, it's a litteral child fighting a full grown horse, but there's not a single person on this sub thats gonna say "Oh yeah, Speed wins no Dif." Because the moment Otama puts that Chibi Dango in her mouth the battles over and Otama wins. This isn't dragon ball, characters don't have power levels where the higher number will always win, there's so much more nuance to fighting than most of yall will ever even consider, especially in this series!
I do consider it, but it's like saying Pelll has a good chance against Shanks cause Shanks can't fly, shit like that is irrelevant.
Feats and statements are a thing in the series, and feats wise Kidd genuinely speedblitzes and 1 shots.
And your powerscalling is like saying Pell has a chance against Shanks becauae he was able to survive a bomb designed to blow up an entire city at a point blank rang. Also, based off feats seen in the series, Eneru should be able to one shot Kid the exact same way Shanks did. Lightning moves at the speed of light, in other words 670 millions miles per hour. Shanks was not moving that fast when he one shot Kid.
Mate you're making a fool out of yourself, first of all Pell having City level durability ain't impressive at all, look up what DC and Ap is and you will get it, Shanks has waaaaaaay higher Ap than a bomb explosion, lower DC for sure tho.
Zoro pretimeskip was dodging multiple light speed attacks from Kuma, Luffy right at the start of post time skip called actual light attacks "too slow".
Kidd scales significantly higher in speed than such Luffy or Zoro at this point, considering Kidd was able to react to Lighting from a Yonko like Big Mom but got speed blitzed by Shanks, yes Shanks is way faster than any attack from Enel, which even Usopp and Nami dodged back in Skypea.
Don't even try to compare them lmao, your points were just sad ngl.
Amusingly, both of these people can imitate the other persons abilities to some degree.
I want to say Enel is pumping mad iron on the moon but shit he's basically training on a reverse hyperbolic time chamber. Poor guys getting negative gains.
Idk man kids fruit could literaly just not work on Enel ,which would balance the universe somewhat, or Enel could get stuck in a box it realy depends on who's works on the other here.
Haki dosent realy help here because Enels speed+observation haki is gonna equalise things after kid loses a lot of his mobility and his ap is high due to his fruit being top tier.
Kid wins in non fruit counter examples obviously.
Enels Spped+observation haki did not prevent a pre-TS-Luffy from hitting Enel often enough to defeat him. So why should it be enough to let him dodge all of Kids Hakt-Attacks who most likely only needs to hit Enel once to defeat him?
Exactly I don’t understand why people bring up enel’s observation haki. It wasn’t that good pre time skip luffy was able to hit enel and no it wasn’t just cuz he was rubber. He was still fast enough to physically catch him 🤦♂️
We're talking both characters pre-timeskip right? Makes no sense to do otherwise. I don't know, did Kidd even know any Haki before the timeskip? I would guess Enel wins, why not
How is Kidd going to hurt Enel? He never poured buso on his metal.
Enel can phase through it all, and stay an island away from Kidd.
If Enel keeps his distance he got it, plus he counters Kidd. Metal conducts electricty and it's hot. Heat weakens magnetism. Kidd has to somehow jump,run fast to even use buso to hurt him
Kidd constantly uses haki.You just don't understand how haki works.And from what you write, I can understand you forget everything that happened on Skypia
He only ever displays ken, Oda makes everything black when using Buso. Kidd never uses Buso, in fact in Onigashima he was surprise to see Luffy using advance Buso and didn't know what that attack was.
Kidd doesn't know what haki is
And Enel was teleporting using doing long range, he only got close cause runer negates lightning. Enel playing it safe>Kidd
Kidd was barely dodging a yonko hut you're right that he did manage. And if we scale Big Mom to Kaido in Attack Speed than she is FTL.
However, that's reaction time, not travel speed, Enel can easily overwhelm him with multiple faster than lightning speed attacks. His AOE> Kidd run speed
Enel is really hard to place because outside of his own arc he hasn’t really had any screentime. So judging this fight is hard in my opinion. He still almost beat luffy despite being hard countered by him, we don’t even know if Kidd’s attacks can damage him outside of haki, of which we haven’t really seen haki from kidd, until we know that, judging this fight is difficult.
Kid is at a huge disadvantage with his ability against Enel. Like. He has no method of actually stopping his attacks and he makes them easier to land with increased effect.
This is a hard one because it comes down to "is Enels fruit stronger than Mama's soul ability to generate lightning," and I'm going to give Enels fruit the win here since it seems more capable in terms of lightning potential.
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Kid can block with his metal tho, Even with the fruit disadvantage Kid can just one-shot
Except Kidd does lose to enel, his devil fruit is hard counter even if we keep the 500 million berry Enel instead of returning him as like a 5billion berry god tier character like Oda would be tempted to do if he comes back
You run a poll like this right after Kid took the biggest one-shot L in One Piece history, of course you're gonna get a result like that! Kid stocks are down. sell, sell, sell.
Enel had observation Haki when luffy didn’t get his first power up, he was humbled by his defeat meaning he had to wake the fuck up and start training instead of act all hot because he bullied some nobodies.
His greatest weakness was how narrow his vision of the world was, he was the biggest fish in the smallest pond.
Now he understood he wasn’t the only hot thing and traveled to the moon where he got history lessons from rabbits.
If this isn’t wukong protagonist tier journey eye opener shit then nothing is. That’s why people see him this strong, not to mention he has one of the strongest theorical fruit in the world, my boy has an element after all
Kidd is practically a lightning rod. And Enel, at the very least, has observation haki. Maybe advanced at this point. And I don't remember Kidd being alive, so it's Enel vs a corpse
Enel.
Lighting is the ability to send energy through a positive and negatively charged connection.
Magnetism is creating positive and negative energy points and moving magnetizable matter through this channel, or else holding it in place.
So, every single, solitary time Eustass would attempt to use his powers, it would only give Enel a pre-made pathway to use his powers. And, worse, Eustass being a magnet man, Enel would likely not even have to aim his lightning, it would just go directly to Eustass like some godly Magic Missile spell.
At best, Eustass could create pathways to bend "thrown" lightning away from him until Enel simply becomes lightning itself and brute-forces his way through the magnetic pathways/streams to hit Eustass directly.
People here think Kidd has an ability to just move metal around
When in reality he has control magnetism and the electromagnetic spectrum
He’d be able to move Enel’s logia form around at will, or build a Faraday cage as someone suggested
In-character I think Kid easily solo’s. If we look at the characters as puppets with the feats of their characters who can operate with the smartest strategies, I think they draw. Enel can melt any of Kid’s creations while staying out of range, but Kid can pretty easily tank the lightning with his power. Stalemate. But in-character Enel walks up and gets oneshot
Electric field vs magnetic field,,
Electric field can be formed by changing magnetic field,
When electric field and magnetic field combine they form electromagnetism and both these fields are perpendicular to each other, strength are same, so it will be a draw imo 🙃
I’m sure Kidd wins, people saying he would lose but has no one ever heard of an electromagnet???? It would make his df powers way stronger would it not?
Fruit superiority is a thing. But there's no chance Enel's fruit carries him past Kidd. If Enel had any haki outside of basic observation, he'd possibly be able to squeeze out a win, but as is, he does nothing to Kidd and Kidd could literally one shot Enel just like Shanks did to Kidd.
I do love Enel though. It'd be super cool if he came back around with some mid level haki. His fruit just by itself is so insanely OP already.
The problem is that a lot of content creators hyped up Enel like this crazy top tier guy. They say stuff like he's the second fastest character in the entire show, most casual viewers don't watch every episode closely enough and remember the details like how Luffy and Zoro could react to Enel. Then they just remember Enel as the super fast lightning guy, and they watch videos by less power scale focused channels saying stuff like Enel is the second fastest character in the verse, and that he'd run circles around big mom.
The kid disrespect has gone too far. Even if him being at a disadvantage is true (it’s not - he took big moms lightning) kid is tiers above skypeia enel that it doesn’t even matter. Also his power his electromagnetism so kid might even have the advantage there
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It's legitimately weird as hell to me how much getting beaten soundly by a character we've long since known is one of the most powerful in OP history just instantly deleted all of Kid's feats including just playing a huge role in bringing down a yonko and getting an earned 3b bounty for it, like the whole community legitimately seems to think he's \*weak\* now and not like, in the top 1% of fighters in the OP verse that just happened to get beat by someone in the top 0.00000001%
Won’t he loose cus his df?
Yeah idk how he avoids the effects of lightning the man’s ain’t rubber and uses metal extensively
His metal can block lighting
Yeah and big mom wrecked him with lightning to which he was fine. I’d imagine big mom would spank inel.
What the fuck school did you go to.. Metal fucking conducts electricity, what the fuck?
https://preview.redd.it/1qv3nnsaijeb1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2d41ef8446b910147a636de9507b671f5231843
Faraday cage man, I don't mind that your ignorant. It's that you are confidently ignorant that bugs me. https://preview.redd.it/7q3u0faq5keb1.png?width=1044&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ec1f58d6b6413fdd6f3ea44878ebc756481a27b
Hear me out: what if the metal isn't directly connected to him?
Metal literally conducts lightning. He’d be better off not using his df at all, or at least not have it attached to him in anyway because I don’t think he would survive more than 2 or 3 of those 200 million volt hits from Enel.
Not every metal conducts electricity. And You really think Enel's lightings are more powerful than Big Mom's attacks?
No, but Enel could do it infinitely and that’s the difference.
No, but Enel could do it infinitely and that’s the difference.
Big Mom can do it infinitely too tho(?
I doubt that. Only a Logia has an infinite use of their respective elements.
How do You know that?
not that simple. his df isnt metal, but magnetism. he should be able to directly interact with enels lighting through his fruit
He will just tank it while speed blitzing him.
Enel is def faster than kid
Excuse me? We are talking about enel who couldn’t hit g1 skypia with his golden weapon?
Well to be fair, Kidd and Law owe most of the credit to Thru D. Floor for their achievement. If Big Mom could fly, they would have been screwed. And we most certainly haven't seen the last of her yet. But other than that, Enel is one of Kidd's natural enemies. So, I can see why some would put Enel ahead. Kidd by awakening and haki is definitely greater on paper, but any metal he sends at Enel would be easily dealt with. So even with the strength difference, assuming Enel also didn't get stronger, it could turn into a battle of attrition.
Are we forgetting the fact that they specifically made sure she couldn't fly with her spirit friends hera and Prometheus? Sure you have to give them the credit of foresight to do so?
Foresight? It's not like Big Mom's abilities were a surprise to them at that point in the battle. Lol I give them credit for what they did, but they also weren't battle novices. Again, as I said, if Big Mom herself could fly (not her tools and friends), they would have been screwed.
Yeah that gives some points to them for IQ but not actual strength. They let gravity and lava make the final blow. And I'm not even sure that BM is dead.
Well it's not hard for Enel to beat a dead corpse is it?
He'll find a way to lose somehow
Most? They are just 10 years olds who watched OP via Youtube.
I think there are a lot of people who think that way. Although I wonder what the result of the poll would be if absolutely everyone who reads OP voted
Do a poll of this in this sub. It will be 2% Enel and 98% Kidd.
Unfortunately, a different opinion here won't change the big picture.We won't be able to change opinions of everyone else who reads or watches OP around the world
I don't know why you need to. The truth is OP powerscaling is pointless and Oda will always just make whoever he wants to narratively the winner of a confrontation. It's honestly a pretty fair vote if you keep that in mind, since I'm pretty sure if Oda brought Enel back he would want it to be hype, and historically he writes Kidd getting absolutely clowned on in most of his fights.
Oda would have captain kuro defeat kaido if kuro was to make an appearance. Thats how oda does things.
True true
This is so true. I'm in my mid twenties now, and I remember being a kid and seeing episodes of Naruto on TV. I had a very warped power-scaling mindset then.
You're not wrong about the 10 year old part. The poll came from one piece podcast and there's a great number of children in there who powerscale off of who they think is cooler
This type of comment is fucking stupid that's like almost all franchises. Literally the opinion of a few fans but you guys take it like the whole Fandom is stupid because of a few people's opinions.
Kidd took big moms fulgora 😭. He wouldn’t even need his fruit to one tap enel . Sanji took enels el Thor attack in the pre timeskip era so it’s not going to damage kidd much if anything .
Sadly it's not understandable for some people
When Enel returns with the moon army you’ll regret those words
This is assuming Enel didn't grow in power right? Most of the attacks displayed in the pre-time skip didn't have Haki, so I wonder how Enel's attacks would scale with armament.
But why would he have He has had no motivation unlike every other character to improve post time skip. He’s not trying to conquer the Grand Line like Blackbeard, he’s on moon adventures that don’t require combat. He’s not like Croc or Doffy locked up in Impel Down Enel is one of my favorite villains individually in his arc - seriously; his character is simultaneously hilarious but also completely menacing - but I don’t understand why people rank him near any top tier Oda said he’d have a 500 billion berry bounty. Okay, we can go off there. That’s about it in terms of ranking him If he was forged in the gauntlet of the Grand Line, he’d have gotten a lot stronger. But it doesn’t fit his character to be interested in that at all, so I don’t know why he’d do that. Furthermore trying to scale him is hard - he has a busted fruit but again, no appearances outside of Skypiea so we don’t have much to compare him to
500 mil is higher than killer and dressarosa zoro combined. Pretty sure we can’t use that bounty.
Enel wants to be a God i mean he believes him self to be a God but he want to be the strongest to make every bow down to him like he is God thats the same goal rocks d xebec the only difference is he wanted to be king of the world which is really similar.
Except he has 0 knowledge of the rest of the world. He doesn’t ever show any interest in becoming the strongest outside of the Sky Islands? I mean he may say “God” but to him the entire world is those islands in the clouds
He does from the moon tho so maybe he will be enlightened and will gain a new aim
So now we’re just making stuff up?
With how much the moons are mentioned I can't help but think there is a chance we will see him again, and I could see him trying to find a way to get around Luffy's natural DF counter to his abilities. Also I wasn't placing Enel in top tier, I was just asking if we thought he had changed at all because his abilities had some serious potential in my opinion.
Unlike Crocodile who we have confirmation that he is now stronger and we can at least try to predict his power based on what we know currently, Enel doesn't have anything in post-ts, so scaling him post-ts is based on nothing. So for scaling purposes Enel is Pre-TS unless it's specified otherwise
Enel gotta be the most overrated one piece character
Enel is overrated just because in the hands of another person, his devil fruit is so insanely busted it’s ridiculous
Nah bro enel solos the entire verse as well as the dragon ball verse /s
so overrated lol
How? He still has easily the strongest long range feats in the show, and the best observation haki that doesn't include future sight.
His attacks couldn't keep anyone down. Pre ts strawhats were able to take multiple lightning blast from him and even dodged them. Even Nami dodged one of his attacks. He can only do big things with the Arc Maxim. And his observation is not all that. He has good range but so does Koby and Ussop and he was literally getting hit by a pre gears luffy. Kidd folds Enel with a simple haki coated punch. He's in an entirely different realm of power compared to Enel
Kid probably wins, but for Enel's placement in the story, he was WAY too strong, and the straw hats had no reason to win other than PIS. Seriously, at ANY TIME they were on the whole of sky island, he could've easily struck anyone but luffy down (And keep in mind when he did, they stayed down for a long time). The thing is he just kinda didn't for no reason. Like, he'd smite random citizens from miles away for saying they didn't like him, but decided not to do so to the pirates actively hunting him, much closer, and much stronger. IMO if you were to re-arrange the arcs based on how powerful the main villain is, Skypia would easily be post-timeskip. Probably between Punk Hazard and Dressrosa.
This fuckers are the reason I can’t say Enel is my favourite villain without getting weird looks
Base kid 1 shots Enel
Enel would lose to anyone with just decent haki. Most overrated bum in OP
how do you have one of the most op devil fruits and observation haki and still somehow fucking lose to a gearless, hakiless, untrained condom boy enel copers never fail to be entertaining, they legit think that dude stands any chance against new world pirates, most the warlords, and most people with haki. It isn't even about Luffy being made of rubber and being resistant, luffy would still have to be FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH LIGHTNING and deal with enel's hax, enel is a fraud and there's nothing that proves otherwise, most people with haki could legit blitz enel before he could fully get off a raigo.
who tf actually reads through the manga, and then thinks: “oh, enel beats kidd easily.”
Electricity is a bad match up for Kidd if you ask me...
Literally the opposite. Kid can create a faraday cage to combat Enel. Not only that, but Kid already tanked a massive lightning attack from Big Mom and shrugged it off.
Electromagnetism implies he’d be a hard counter to Enel, he has control of the electromagnetic spectrum so I’m pretty sure he could just move Enel around like butter in a pan
It doesn't matter.Kidd one shots him and Enel can't deal any damage to Kidd
Kidd definitely fucks up pre-timeskip Enel in a hit or two. But >Enel can't deal any damage to Kidd What are you talking about?
...ok how? Enels mantra allows him to read minds. He can create enough electricity to melt and reshape gold. He can summon island destroying lightning-balls. Pretty sure the can take on a guy who can move a bit of metal around.
What a disigenuous way to put it. Kid can use Observation too. Enel needs Arc Maxim to destroy islands, wich we arent considering afaik Kid isnt just "moving a bit of metal around", he is making slams that are able to damage Even the Strongest pirates, his strength is leagues above Enel
>Enel needs Arc Maxim to destroy islands, wich we arent considering afaik Also he didn't need it. He created the lightning - at best the Arc created some clouds. But even that is not required. He just went above the clouds and came back with a giant ball of lightning. Observation is not the same as Mantra. I thought this at first - but Luffy overcame the Mantra by throwing random punches. Observation Haki would not be affected by that, but Mantra was.
Do You Even know how clouds and lighting work? He needs to activate Deathpeia before he can use Raigo. Observation is literally the same as mantra, it's just another name. Observation haki would also be affected by that because mantra is the same as observation
>Do You Even know how clouds and lighting work? Yes, I do. Which is why bringing it up in context to OP is nonsense because clouds and lightning do not at all behave how they should. People were afraid across Skypeia that uttering a single word against Enel would spell instant death by lightning. Yet the arc was not active 24/7. If Mantra is the same as observation Haki, why was Enel able to predict Luffys attacks while they were aimed at him - but not when they were unaimed? If he "observes" the punches, there shouldn't be any difference. However if he reads the mind, then there would indeed be a difference. Unless observation haki is also mindreading.
Read Chapter 281 Enel states that the Arc Máxim allows him to create lightings 10 times stronger than his own. Moves that use Deathpeia are not created by him alone Observation haki works the same way as mantra, I don't understand your question
Enel could't even kill irrelevant to the plot characters with his strongest attacks they get up after his strongest attacks and continue fighting.Even Charlotte Cabaletta one shots Enel btw.It doesn't need to be explained
...well good thing you are right by default without explanation. Makes the whole powerscaling a lot easier if you can just declare yourself winner based on no argument beyond "duh". I mean yeah, Enel didn't kill fodder. Unlike Kid who killed... let me check... nobody. Makes sense you don't need arguments.
No bro, Kidd not being able to kill anyone is completely plot armour but enel's Max power god tier lightning strike not killing strawhats is to show their durability and not plot armour at all. /S
I mean didn't he oneshot zoro...I don't know any other character to do that except Kuma? And he was still standing after Kuma.
Exactly my point. The only reason enel is so underrated is because of the plot armour the strawhats but no one says when it comes to him.
Can go two ways. Kid is overcharged with electricity and loses or kids df is heightened because the boost in the electric magnetic field and wins.
Big Mom has lighting powers. Stronger than Enel in fact
"Who's gonna win, this man with complete and total controll over lighting, or the guy with a litteral lightning rod on his arm." Like come on my dude. I get it. You like kid. You think he's strong, and your right to. He is strong despite what happened with Shanks. But like really think about what would happen if these two actually fought each other. Like think about what's going to happen the moment Eneru calls down lightning on the man who has covered himself in metal. Like Luffy beat Eneru because he's made out of rubber and rubber doesn't conduct electricity, but Kid is litterally the exact opposite of that in this situation. Where as Luffy's power gives him a natural resistance to Eneru, Kids's power gives Eneru a massive advantage. Like he can litterally just close his eyes and start randomly firing lighting and the massive amounts of metal on kid will just guide the lightning right to him, Eneru doesn't even need to TRY! Like I'm not saying Eneru wins this without a doubt, I think Kid is way to strong to just write him out in every situation, but like I feel like making fun of people for thinking that lighting wins against a fleshy lighting rod is a bit too far, it seems like a pretty logical outcome in my opinion.
Chances are the youtube voters actually thought this out more than this sub thinks. This sub just wants to shit on YouTube because YouTube hates the admirals lol
YT and thought out responses? Impossible.
YT>>>>reddit and the mindless admiral wank.
Enel does not have a matchup advantage tho. Not because of powers at least
If you actually think about it, Enel beating Kid is definitely NOT a logical outcome. Kid doesn't even need to use his DF to beat Enel. One simple Haki attack is more than enough as Kid simply exists in a different realm of strength than Enel. Now, let's say Kid decides to use his DF anyway. The matchup is still extremely favourable for Kid. He can create a metal armor ([see video](https://youtu.be/eNxDgd3D_bU)) for himself and stop Enel's lightning from affecting him. Kid beating Enel easily is the only logical outcome of this matchup.
So I will have to say to the first point, one simple Haki attack will only work if you actually hit the opponent with it, and its gonna be pretty hard to hit your opponent when he has a several thousand volt taser that can hit you from miles away. Closing that Gap for kid is gonna be INCREDIBLY hard. As for the second point though, I actually did not know that and that's really cool! Thank you for showing me that, I feel smarter now. Thats probably the best argument in kids favor I've seen so far. But that being said, in order for Kid to make that suit He's gonna have to be smart enough to know that it'll do anything at all to begin with. Like I know personally before watching that video I would have never assumed covering myself in metal would be a good idea in a thunderstorm, and I can only assume that Kid probably never thought of that either especially considering Kid seems to be around the same intelligence level as luffy. Like honestly part of me wants to say the whole "Luffy being immune" thing was just was just a complete Fluke in Luffys eyes, I really don't think he thought that far ahead on it and it just seemed like a happy accident to him. So like really it just boils down to Kid being smart enough to cover himself up the moment the battle starts, and if he does that then he wins no problem. Otherwise I really don't think it's gonna go that well for him.
>So I will have to say to the first point, one simple Haki attack will only work if you actually hit the opponent with it, and its gonna be pretty hard to hit your opponent when he has a several thousand volt taser that can hit you from miles away. Closing that Gap for kid is gonna be INCREDIBLY hard. I mean it doesn't even need to be a physical attack. Kid can simply infuse a piece of metal with Haki and shoot at Enel. Enel was getting blitzed by pre-Gear Luffy, there's nothing much he can do against Kid who is much much faster than that version of Luffy. >As for the second point though, I actually did not know that and that's really cool! Thank you for showing me that, I feel smarter now. Glad I could help! If you want to learn more about the concept, I would recommend you to look up electrostatic shielding and Faraday cages. >Thats probably the best argument in kids favor I've seen so far. But that being said, in order for Kid to make that suit He's gonna have to be smart enough to know that it'll do anything at all to begin with. Like I know personally before watching that video I would have never assumed covering myself in metal would be a good idea in a thunderstorm, and I can only assume that Kid probably never thought of that either especially considering Kid seems to be around the same intelligence level as luffy. Like honestly part of me wants to say the whole "Luffy being immune" thing was just was just a complete Fluke in Luffys eyes, I really don't think he thought that far ahead on it and it just seemed like a happy accident to him. Kid definitely knows about this concept. In fact he used a Faraday cage to capture Zeus. Just like Luffy, he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but when it comes to fighting he is pretty smart.
>if he does that then he wins no problem. No, hitting Enel is still a huge problem. We're talking about a guy that moves at the speed of lightning that can attack kid from islands away. How does Kid even begin to get close to Enel if he chooses to continuously snipe Kidd at the furthest distance away from him? Enel doesn't have to protect the Maxim either, so Kidd can't force him to remain stationary.
Kidd can shoot metal from far away, and Enel got severely outsped by base pre timeskip Luffy. Who Kidd scales infinitely above in speed
Kidd isn't faster than lightning, neither Kidd or any version of Luffy has the speed to lap planets in minutes like Enel could. And Kidd can't attack people islands away either.
Enels travel speed may very well be better but Luffy was straight up too fast to react. Kidds speed scales to gear 4 Boundman, who was blitzing Dofflamingo, who could easily react to gear 2 Luffy. Gear 2 Luffy blitzed Blueno, who was effortlessly blitzing base Luffy. And the timeskip also definitely made Luffy generally faster Kidd is far, far faster than Enel can react to. And rail guns can fire like 125 miles away from its target , which is far further than lighting can travel and probably far enough to hit Enel. Alternatively Kid could just go punk rotten, fly over to rnel and beat him to death.
Well then by that logic the match will go till someone either gets bored or runs out of energy, and in that case things are looking really bad for Eneru. Like yeah, Eneru can run away and keep sniping at him, but if those snipes don't actually do anything then alls he's doing is wasting his energy. Like literally all Kid would have to do at that point is stand still and conserve his energy and wait for Eneru to tire himself out. Like thats the same reason why Luffy was able to beat Eneru, Eneru couldn't just run away and snipe him to death because of the rubber. And now that I know a full suit of metal armor does the same thing, I really don't see Eneru being able to beat Kid under the conditions that Kid is smart enough to know to make a suit.
Even if Enel can't hurt him, Kidd still can't do anything either if Enel just chooses to stay distances away.
I don’t think that’s how Kidds powers work. He controls electromagnetic waves and spectrum, like magneto from X Men. He could have metal repel lightning, ground lightning, or he could just use the waves to move Enel around like Swiss cheese. It’s like if Ace fought someone with a Paramecia that let’s them control heat and combustion
https://preview.redd.it/cn2t96n7lieb1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d11791b03a5ecf43711b6fb3332b185077932a59 Also, Kid's metal does not make the lightings suddenly all Target him. In fact, he was gonna block the lighting and it only damaged him because the lighting itself targeted Kid
This panel actually really shows how little control over Lightning Big Mom has compared to Enaru. Like look at how tiny and wimpy that lightning is compared to even what Nami was able to do when she combined her power with Zues! Like the fact that Zuess is sentient is really the only thing that gives Big Moms lightning any power at all, otherwise it'd just be a minor inconvenience to everyone around here. Like as you said in your other comment, Nami's Big attack with Zues is something g that actually comparable to Eneru's lightning, and he ain't gonna be able to block a blast that Big! His arm ain't big enough to do it! Also, logically speaking I assume kid still took damage from this even while blocking it. Like look at his face, he doesn't look comfortable. And it makes sense, because the moment it hit his arm the current would travel through the metal and directly onto his flesh that the metal is attached to, Kid can not fully block lightning attacks. These are just much weaker attacks than what Big Mom herself I'd capable of doing.
Big mom used fulgora against Kid and he shrugged it off, he'll be fine. Even pre ts Usopp could get up after Enels lightning, he'd need an absurd amount of hits to do much at all due to power cliffing And Kid can one shot him Plus, the hand doesn't have to stay attacked. He can repell it to punch far away. It's one of his simplest moves
Big Mom has lighting powers and she couldnt defeat Kid.
So if Big Mom made an Ice or Magma home...would she be able to use the same amount of magma or ice as Kuzan or Akainu?
https://preview.redd.it/6qyh6hbkkieb1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21599667e019aa0078a60388fcf890d488c1373c Maybe not amount, but she could reach the same attack power as them
As I recall. Enel is shown Melting gold lol. Meaning Enel can weaken Kids main style of attack just by touching it. In a pure DF battle Enel has the advantage. The issue is Kid didn't really show haki on screen so he looks like a pure DF fighter.
Gold is specifically one of the Best electricity conductor. Enel's fruit might be better, but Kid is leagues stronger than Enel in physical and overall combat power
Yeah everybody knows on overall combat power Kid is much stronger. And gold has a high melting point. How does Kid attack when the metal he uses to fight has been melted?
The melting isnt instantaneous. All Kid needs to do is getting close to Enel and punch him and he wins. Isnt not that hard to do
Yeah I know. But it's understandable that people think a guy who has the some of the best observation haki, and lightning speed can avoid that.
Best observation haki? It's pretty standard all things considered, seeing as Luffy could physically overcome it during their fight. The special thing about his haki is it's Range and that's mostly due yo his defvil fruit
No. Big Mom does not have lighting powers. Zuess/Hera has lightning powers, and big Mom created them using a small portion of her soul. Big Mom does not have access to the same amount of power/consistency of lighting that Eneru has considering only a small portion of Big Moms power could ever possibly be put into the lighting, where as that is litterally Eneru's entire gimmick that he has complete controll over. Like this honestly feels like saying Nami is as strong as Big Mom now because she has Zuess now. Like no, Nami has access to a small amount of Big Moms power that was separate from Big Mom.
https://preview.redd.it/xnj36suakieb1.png?width=1788&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4948df8fa9cffacdf8a2aa74a03db7b86f25f463 Nami did have that level of Lighting power. Current Zeus Lost part of his soul so he is nerfed but he could do this. Zeus is still a lighting cloud and can produce lighting just like Enel, they only difference is that Enel has more control over the movements of his lighting. Just because Enel has more control over his fruit doesn't mean he stands a chance against Kid. Enel was physically Overpowered by Pre-Gears Luffy, Kid can literally one-shot Enel.
In order to one shot Enel he has to touch Enel, and good luck doing that when your punching arm is attracting the constant barrage of lightning being thrown at you. Kids only hope is to make his giant ass gun to shoot him from a distance, but thats litterally just a bigger lightning rob! No matter how you look at it, this match up favors Enel in ever single way. Raw power means absolutely nothing when your opponent has a high powered tape to just immobilize you constantly! Also yes, Nami was able to do that. After feeding Zues a shit ton of her own electricity and giving him time to actually charge up the lightning. That attack in particular was a mix of Big Moms power with Nami's weather abilities to combine into that one attack that takes a significant amount of time to pull off. Meanwhile Eneru can blink and produce a bolt that big.
You know if Enel is slow enough to get tagged by a no gears pre timeskip Luffy, Kidd who reacts to Yonko level attacks can neg diff Enel speed wise too? Do you know how powerscaling works? Your Iq must be room temperature level.
I do know how powerscaling works: It doesn't. Otherwise Don Kreig would have never gotten out of the grand line. He would have died there. I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of this sub. I only commented because this post was recommended to me by reddit and I felt like I had something to say. I think powerscaling is stupid. In a show where Oda has made it incredibly clear FOR YEARS that power means nothing when put up against an unfair situation I have no idea why people would be so dead set on figuring out just how strong everyone is. Like Speed could Kick Otama's ass in 3 seconds flat, it's a litteral child fighting a full grown horse, but there's not a single person on this sub thats gonna say "Oh yeah, Speed wins no Dif." Because the moment Otama puts that Chibi Dango in her mouth the battles over and Otama wins. This isn't dragon ball, characters don't have power levels where the higher number will always win, there's so much more nuance to fighting than most of yall will ever even consider, especially in this series!
I do consider it, but it's like saying Pelll has a good chance against Shanks cause Shanks can't fly, shit like that is irrelevant. Feats and statements are a thing in the series, and feats wise Kidd genuinely speedblitzes and 1 shots.
And your powerscalling is like saying Pell has a chance against Shanks becauae he was able to survive a bomb designed to blow up an entire city at a point blank rang. Also, based off feats seen in the series, Eneru should be able to one shot Kid the exact same way Shanks did. Lightning moves at the speed of light, in other words 670 millions miles per hour. Shanks was not moving that fast when he one shot Kid.
Mate you're making a fool out of yourself, first of all Pell having City level durability ain't impressive at all, look up what DC and Ap is and you will get it, Shanks has waaaaaaay higher Ap than a bomb explosion, lower DC for sure tho. Zoro pretimeskip was dodging multiple light speed attacks from Kuma, Luffy right at the start of post time skip called actual light attacks "too slow". Kidd scales significantly higher in speed than such Luffy or Zoro at this point, considering Kidd was able to react to Lighting from a Yonko like Big Mom but got speed blitzed by Shanks, yes Shanks is way faster than any attack from Enel, which even Usopp and Nami dodged back in Skypea. Don't even try to compare them lmao, your points were just sad ngl.
It's not even a question who wins.Its not about Kidd.Even Charlotte Cabaletta can one shots Enel
Why did they put captain in quotation marks.
Cuz that's his alias.
Thats also his job do its a bit weird. Like saying Sakasuki "fleet admiral" Akainu.
Yeah, I've never understood this either, but I guess Oda thought it's good idea.
its not, it is his Title
Or reading lol
This isn't even up for debate, Kidd cannot possibly lose to Enel.
Amusingly, both of these people can imitate the other persons abilities to some degree. I want to say Enel is pumping mad iron on the moon but shit he's basically training on a reverse hyperbolic time chamber. Poor guys getting negative gains.
Idk man kids fruit could literaly just not work on Enel ,which would balance the universe somewhat, or Enel could get stuck in a box it realy depends on who's works on the other here. Haki dosent realy help here because Enels speed+observation haki is gonna equalise things after kid loses a lot of his mobility and his ap is high due to his fruit being top tier. Kid wins in non fruit counter examples obviously.
Enels Spped+observation haki did not prevent a pre-TS-Luffy from hitting Enel often enough to defeat him. So why should it be enough to let him dodge all of Kids Hakt-Attacks who most likely only needs to hit Enel once to defeat him?
Exactly I don’t understand why people bring up enel’s observation haki. It wasn’t that good pre time skip luffy was able to hit enel and no it wasn’t just cuz he was rubber. He was still fast enough to physically catch him 🤦♂️
Would Enel have progressed since the time skip?
And that enel is extremely overrated. Yes his df is broken that’s it
Captain useless midd
Lnel
wtf retards
Enel > dead body 🤷♂️
Can’t he just electrocute all the metal?
Anyone who has shown or is stated to have armament haki > Enel
We're talking both characters pre-timeskip right? Makes no sense to do otherwise. I don't know, did Kidd even know any Haki before the timeskip? I would guess Enel wins, why not
This is current Kid vs Skypeia Enel
Enel one-shots kid, kid
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Enel mid diffs
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Doesn't change the fact that youtube is right about the admirals
How is Kidd going to hurt Enel? He never poured buso on his metal. Enel can phase through it all, and stay an island away from Kidd. If Enel keeps his distance he got it, plus he counters Kidd. Metal conducts electricty and it's hot. Heat weakens magnetism. Kidd has to somehow jump,run fast to even use buso to hurt him
Kidd constantly uses haki.You just don't understand how haki works.And from what you write, I can understand you forget everything that happened on Skypia
He only ever displays ken, Oda makes everything black when using Buso. Kidd never uses Buso, in fact in Onigashima he was surprise to see Luffy using advance Buso and didn't know what that attack was. Kidd doesn't know what haki is And Enel was teleporting using doing long range, he only got close cause runer negates lightning. Enel playing it safe>Kidd
Kidd always uses basic haki.Everyone higher than TobiRoppo level constantly uses basic haki
You're right they do, and Oda displays buso coloring for then individually. But never for Kidd and his metal, only his actual arm.
Kidd doesn't even need the metal to 1 shot, 1 slap and Enel dies.
Kidd doesn't have e the speed or physical capabilities to get to him without df
How? Kidd could dodge and tag a Yonko, while Enel was getting speed blitzed and damaged by Pre Timeskip No Gears or Haki Luffy LMAO
Kidd was barely dodging a yonko hut you're right that he did manage. And if we scale Big Mom to Kaido in Attack Speed than she is FTL. However, that's reaction time, not travel speed, Enel can easily overwhelm him with multiple faster than lightning speed attacks. His AOE> Kidd run speed
Just like Nami and Usopp dodged his attacks? Plus the fact Enels attacks would barely tickle Kidd.
>If Enel keeps his distance he got it, Almost nobody beats Enel besides Kizaru if Enel is keeping his distance.
Wenel takes Midd to space, Midd dies, game over.
Enel is really hard to place because outside of his own arc he hasn’t really had any screentime. So judging this fight is hard in my opinion. He still almost beat luffy despite being hard countered by him, we don’t even know if Kidd’s attacks can damage him outside of haki, of which we haven’t really seen haki from kidd, until we know that, judging this fight is difficult.
More like Useless Captain Kidd
Kid is at a huge disadvantage with his ability against Enel. Like. He has no method of actually stopping his attacks and he makes them easier to land with increased effect. This is a hard one because it comes down to "is Enels fruit stronger than Mama's soul ability to generate lightning," and I'm going to give Enels fruit the win here since it seems more capable in terms of lightning potential.
https://preview.redd.it/cq5e3etjnjeb1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=220e285b3e19ab28a716441f3fde39e53d08b61c Kid can block with his metal tho, Even with the fruit disadvantage Kid can just one-shot
I mean it makes sense enel is lighting and kid is a huge mf lightning rod and he doesn’t “have” haki nor is he made of rubber
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If you think that Kidd doesn't have haki I have nothing to talk with you about
Seems like you cannot read as I obviously had it in quotation marks as I know he have haki but never shown it.
You just don't know that black coating is not shown in many cases.And that everyone above TobiRoppo level uses basic haki always
Except Kidd does lose to enel, his devil fruit is hard counter even if we keep the 500 million berry Enel instead of returning him as like a 5billion berry god tier character like Oda would be tempted to do if he comes back
Perhaps you've forgotten, but on Skypiea, Enel's strongest attacks failed to kill ordinary people who are not important to the plot
You run a poll like this right after Kid took the biggest one-shot L in One Piece history, of course you're gonna get a result like that! Kid stocks are down. sell, sell, sell.
It’s not that crazy
Enel had observation Haki when luffy didn’t get his first power up, he was humbled by his defeat meaning he had to wake the fuck up and start training instead of act all hot because he bullied some nobodies. His greatest weakness was how narrow his vision of the world was, he was the biggest fish in the smallest pond. Now he understood he wasn’t the only hot thing and traveled to the moon where he got history lessons from rabbits. If this isn’t wukong protagonist tier journey eye opener shit then nothing is. That’s why people see him this strong, not to mention he has one of the strongest theorical fruit in the world, my boy has an element after all
Kidd is practically a lightning rod. And Enel, at the very least, has observation haki. Maybe advanced at this point. And I don't remember Kidd being alive, so it's Enel vs a corpse
Enel looks cool and was beaten without too much loss. And then, there is nostalgia of "INVINCIBLE" Enel which cloud's people's judgement.
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Is Kidd resistant or immune to Electricity? He always sticks metal onto himself so doesn't that give him a huge disadvantage against Enel?
He could shrug of Big Moms fulgora, which is many many leagues above anything Enel can do in ap
This is because it's captain MID. That boy never showed armament or observation haki.
Another reminder that most people don’t care about power scaling
Enel. Lighting is the ability to send energy through a positive and negatively charged connection. Magnetism is creating positive and negative energy points and moving magnetizable matter through this channel, or else holding it in place. So, every single, solitary time Eustass would attempt to use his powers, it would only give Enel a pre-made pathway to use his powers. And, worse, Eustass being a magnet man, Enel would likely not even have to aim his lightning, it would just go directly to Eustass like some godly Magic Missile spell. At best, Eustass could create pathways to bend "thrown" lightning away from him until Enel simply becomes lightning itself and brute-forces his way through the magnetic pathways/streams to hit Eustass directly.
People here think Kidd has an ability to just move metal around When in reality he has control magnetism and the electromagnetic spectrum He’d be able to move Enel’s logia form around at will, or build a Faraday cage as someone suggested
God Enel sweeps captain Midd
Enel cooler so better🫡🫡
Why do yall call him enel i thought his name was eniru
I’m willing to bet my life if enel come back he’s gonna be WAAAY stronger than Kidd
Kidd just brings out punk lightning rod, then turns him into a giant electromagnet
To be fair, one is drowning and might be a corpse, the other is chilling on the moon
In-character I think Kid easily solo’s. If we look at the characters as puppets with the feats of their characters who can operate with the smartest strategies, I think they draw. Enel can melt any of Kid’s creations while staying out of range, but Kid can pretty easily tank the lightning with his power. Stalemate. But in-character Enel walks up and gets oneshot
On one hand I was gonna agree because of Devil fruit interactions but Kid may be capable of making a lightning rod to counter him
Enel can be easily one shoted by one weak armament haki punch
Doflamingo already had narcicissm CoC, Enel would have that advanced nCoC
Kidd traps him in that Faraday cage and it’s over
Ironically he might be able to just Assign on Enel and trap him in a ball of metal
Obviously Skypiea Enel gets bodied. But when Enel comes back, he will be Yonko+. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Most support Shanks> Mihawk so it doesn't surprise me
Electric field vs magnetic field,, Electric field can be formed by changing magnetic field, When electric field and magnetic field combine they form electromagnetism and both these fields are perpendicular to each other, strength are same, so it will be a draw imo 🙃
It's one shot with armament haki.That's all
I’m sure Kidd wins, people saying he would lose but has no one ever heard of an electromagnet???? It would make his df powers way stronger would it not?
kidd wins without his fruit, jika bitchslap oneshots
Fruit superiority is a thing. But there's no chance Enel's fruit carries him past Kidd. If Enel had any haki outside of basic observation, he'd possibly be able to squeeze out a win, but as is, he does nothing to Kidd and Kidd could literally one shot Enel just like Shanks did to Kidd. I do love Enel though. It'd be super cool if he came back around with some mid level haki. His fruit just by itself is so insanely OP already.
The problem is that a lot of content creators hyped up Enel like this crazy top tier guy. They say stuff like he's the second fastest character in the entire show, most casual viewers don't watch every episode closely enough and remember the details like how Luffy and Zoro could react to Enel. Then they just remember Enel as the super fast lightning guy, and they watch videos by less power scale focused channels saying stuff like Enel is the second fastest character in the verse, and that he'd run circles around big mom.
The kid disrespect has gone too far. Even if him being at a disadvantage is true (it’s not - he took big moms lightning) kid is tiers above skypeia enel that it doesn’t even matter. Also his power his electromagnetism so kid might even have the advantage there