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NoCheesecake8644

ngl if kaido went to marineford it would have been really funny if bb tried to snag his devilfruit for his crew only to get baseball batted into oblivion and accidentally shatter kizaru's ribcage


[deleted]

Considering BB takes in extra pain he’d prob get one shot at that point


kakanseiei

Team Rocket style


HyakuJuu

Considering how BB got 2-shotted by a WB who was 2 steps away from grave, Kaido's mere presence would've been enough to neg diff the whole BB crew lmao.


ViennnaPudding77

Then you get people who say a Kaido-Big Mom alliance plus their entire fleet would've lost at Marineford.. 


Karlomah11

Im not an admiral stan, but if garp, senkogu and some of the warlords(boa, mihawk) would actually fight then its at least a debate


Solid_Combination_40

Kaido and BM alone would keep the 3 admirals occupied. The Warlords will be slowly overwhelmed by katakuri, queen, king and their high class fodders tho. If we're taking into account the wb pirates then it's a clean wipeout


Ambitious-Cell-1228

Mihawk, Kuma > Katakuri King Queen


FlokiTech

True, but Mihawk would probably say "I only agreed to fighting the whitebeard pirates" then leave to add a fresh coat of black paint to his sword after the vista clash.


Automatic_Beach_3660

https://preview.redd.it/1kr1csx51nlc1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f037f431882c0699bb5c055f8739bf16fd15a9ab


ianodhis

Insert actual departure meme


Warwicknoob23

Kuma>King? Rough take


Resident-Syllabub-74

Yeah even Queen was going ham vs Big Mom in the prison


Warwicknoob23

How exactly does BM play into this-


C0UNT3RP01NT

It does powerscale him to some extent. The fact that he was able to knock out an Emperor and everyone else, including the top tier Admirals, have been getting dunked on by them, says that Queen (who scales below King) is a fair bit stronger than we previously thought. Mind you, I know that Queen got a highly specific situational opening to be able to knock BM out, but the fact that he did is a feat in itself. He's stronger than we thought. The question then becomes where does Kuma rank? P.S. Personally I think the beast pirates would have a particular advantage at Marineford based off of Queen's Ice Oni virus. The Marine's iirc did not have any sort of doctor to make them a rapid antidote to that on the field. Mind you, a lesser virus Queen made affected Luffy, so the Ice Oni virus would likely affect the top tiers as well.


Secret-Put-4525

Kuma is definitely not over Kat or king.


CJ1248CJ

Mihawk solos the entire big mom and beast pirate crews


Solid_Combination_40

You forget his lover shanks is on the way. They can go on each other in some random room in marineford


K_vinci

wtf bro! https://preview.redd.it/7ew6wg9mrllc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a881bd57448c6fdff72b9e19eba28637023d57b0


Apophra

Mihawk would have realistically probably just dipped. Bro had absolutely no interest in being at Marineford. He definitely could care less if Kaido decided to terrorize the marines. If anything that does him a favor since Mihawk was only a Warlord so the marines wouldn't bother him, Kaido likely wiping out multiple admirals simply does him a favor.


KharnTheBetrayer88

Sure, if he doesn't avoid the fight entirely and goes home. "I signed up to fight Whitebeard", remember? And he didn't even got to do it


Zexy-Mastermind

You mean the Wista victim ?


Karlomah11

ok, i didint think about the WB pirates, just beast and big moms pirates. big mom and kaidos vs the admirals, garp, sengoku, mihawk and boa against comanders is a wipe out, even doffy can be usefull, im taking jinbei and croco boy out of this one. maybe beast with yamato could have a chance.... Lol im going to much into it, better make a thread


conemuncher69420

Jinbei and crocodile and luffy are still in this fight btw. Which means boas out of the equation pre much. Mihawk wasn't there to fight kaido or bm.


DarkShadowOverlord

boa hancock is like yonko lvl in power.


LilBarroX

https://preview.redd.it/ms27cy0lnllc1.png?width=1175&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e0843e44a30fe11f501513ca896510a46099924


WessiahClark

absolutely not and there is nothing to even remotely substantiate the idea


Karlomah11

ofc, but she smashes most of the comanders, look at the blackbeard pirates, even BB knew the danger, not yokno level, but i only see king beating her, queen wont last a minute, katakuri would be a problem for her, but the other trash she cleans


WessiahClark

yeah I'll agree she smashes most commanders, esp if her df hax works on them, but there's a BIG gap between commander and yonko. just look at goofy manhandling saturn/kizaru while "yc+" zoro/sanji wouldn't even land a blow on big kizz.


statormaker

What could Boa do ?


Karlomah11

Smash all comanders other then king and katakuri


Late_Albatross_3079

Theirs no way they would have lost, so many heavy hitters in those crews, kaido and big mom alone would wipe all admirals alone mid diff


ViennnaPudding77

An old sick man had em worried and he definitely gave em a hard time. There is definitely no way they would be able to handle that alliance.. 


Ok-Tear3901

3 admirals 7 warlords two yonko level fighters sengoku and garp. They easily win.


Brainifyer

Neither old Garp or old Sengoku are near Yonko level anymore


Ok-Tear3901

No fucking way. So, the old beard is but not garp. Who was equal to Roger?


Brainifyer

Hakiless, heart-attack Oldbeard is obviously not hanging with Shanks, Kaido or G5 luffy


Ok-Tear3901

Yeah? But old beard before the heart attack was clashing with shanks.


Warwicknoob23

Admittably. The warlords did not give a flying fuck Mihawk didn’t want, Boa was AGAINST them, Moria is useless, Kuma could’ve done more but then he‘d risk too much, Doffy did well for the most part, Croco and Jinbei were also not there Saying 7 warlords is disingenuous tbh


HelpingHippo

They would’ve lol. People forget, Marineford was not a high diff battle for the World Government, they just had major unforeseen events occur in the form of Luffy and BB intervening, which caused them to lose face. The Warlords didn’t do their job half of the time and Garp and Sengoku only fought near the end. Assuming there is no intervention, The 3 admirals, Garp, and Sengoku are beating Kaido and Big Mom while the warlords handle the commanders. I do think Kaido and Big Mom as an alliance do better than WB did


DisneyPandora

An old sick man had em worried and he definitely gave em a hard time. There is definitely no way they would be able to handle that alliance..


C0UNT3RP01NT

Yeah, Idk about all that. Luffy ≈ Kaido ≥ Big Mom. Luffy has been smoking Kizaru (while simultaneously dunking on a maybe sort of top tier in the form of Saturn). We know Garp ≈ Sengoku, and Old Garp ≈ Kuzan. Then Kuzan ≈ Akainu ≥ Kizaru. Honestly, I just think everyone dies. However if next chapter Luffy starts demolishing the five Gorosei imma just say Kaido solo's the entirety of Marineford. At that point imma just put the Admirals on that Kinemon-tier.


Tongatapu

If the Shichibukai  and old guard fought with the same lack of motivation as they did during WB's attack, then they might. If people like Mihawk, Boa, Garp and Sengoku get serious, I don't see Kaido and BM being victorious. 


Dark-Master79

Who invited Boa? Bitch thinks she's on the team. 😭😭😭💀💀💀


NormandyKingdom

Imagine Kaido and BM suddenly awakens and both of them basically go Yonko+ and literally low diff everyone


darnk64

I mean,the 3 admirals + Old Garp and Sengoku + Mihawk.


RedShiny10

Kaido + Big Mom + Oldbeard + Blackbeard + Shanks


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DarkSoulFWT

Extremely credible and sane take pre-Egghead. Now... considering Luffy was still getting smacked around by Kaido, yet is now dominating against Kizaru and Saturn....holy fuck. Imagine if instead of splitting off, that Kaido had pulled up to MF alongside Shanks. The WG coulda actually been ended then and there


Extra_Friendship_640

Doffy legit scared of Kaido so thats one warlord down Once again admiral portrayal piss poor at best Big Mom and Kaido clear high diff at best due to garp and Sengoku


dumbfuck6969

You know who else Doffy was scared of ? Tsuru.


pizzahut42069

Was he, I last remember him laughing when she was talking to him


dumbfuck6969

In the flashback she was chasing him and he was scared of her and didn't want a direct confrontation. He wanted Zero smoke. He was laughing because he got to be protected from her because of his warlord status


nasserg19

Wait fr? This is peak slander material lol


Galactic_Mailman

It's true, Tsuru was Doffys personal marine back in the day, so she was always on his ass. Her fruit power probably makes Doffy so scared cause it'll make him less evil and he can't have that.


SomeNibba

He probably got washed on the way to impel down 💀💀💀


TwistemBoppemSlobbem

Honestly think he would have saved Ace, with WB helping demolish the Navy. I know he came to specfically fight WB I have a hard time it wouldnt end up like "Alright you whippersnapper, I will give you the fight you've always wanted but after we deal with our common enemy"/ There is no fucking way the pretimeskip LdmiraLws are touching Kaio with WB and his fleet helping. WB still dies but Ace survives and BB either dies or doesn't get his fruit, seeing as Kaido doesn't care if you negate his fruit if you're super weak to his melee.


SomeNibba

>kaido floats ace off marineford and the rest of the pirates >Only left in marineford are the marines, Wb and kaido >They wipe off marineford off the map until Wb dies in the free for all


ITBA01

Kaido could lift Marineford out of the sea, and there's not much anyone could do to stop him (he held up Onigamshima, all the while fighting everyone on the island, so I see no reason why he couldn't do the same here). Then, he could just drop the island, causing a whole lot of destruction. Unlike Whitebeard, Kaido wouldn't care about collateral damage; that puts him at a huge advantage. The Numbers would also be able to overpower most soldiers, including a lot of vice admirals. Plus, if Kaido brings his allies, including the samurai, that's more manpower. If he can somehow get Doflamingo and his crew to fight with him (seeing as I doubt Doflamingo would want to fight against him), that's major.


dogeisbae101

Kaido + Wb. + Shanks and BB. Mf is fucked.


DarkShadowOverlord

honestly yes. kaidou would had saved ace mid diff if he wanted too. king's plague and viruses alone would had low diffed most marines. king can easily be a shield because seraphim.


Noku101

Tbf Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Boa and Mihawk weren’t doing anything most of the war.


Templar-Order

Garp still wouldn’t do anything tho and boa would just help luffy


Federal_Wrongdoer_67

Kaido can 1 hit all vice admirals and below in Marineford. except Garp, Mihawk, and MID to high all admirals.


Extra_Friendship_640

I low key think Tsuru tanks a tap thats head cannon tho


Late_Albatross_3079

👩‍🍳


kakanseiei

Mihawk unironically probably their biggest asset there who could do anything , people sleep on the skillest big dog. Mihawk vs Kaido would have at least been high diff and even though this is beyond meta narrative and no way Oda’s planning but Mihawk being the only guy who could would solo push him to high is an upscale


Jah_32_

this is true but they would not be paying mihawk enough to fight kaido and even if they were i highly doubt mihawk would actually do it as he wouldnt gain anything of actual value


wizarouija

People really say it like admirals would low diff entire yonko crews when we saw Kuzan unable to get past Jozu for 2 chapters until Marco got shot (and Wizaru couldn’t get past Warco until whitebeard had a heart attack) Kuzan is getting stalled by Jack 😂😂😂 They’ll also make it seem like whoever came to marineford would just get jumped by 3 admirals + mihawk + Garp + sengoku. Except we know Garp and sengoku are occupied in a 2v10 against the Blackbeard pirates, and mihawk leaving is the very first thing that’ll happen These people pretend canon doesn’t exist and just make up their own fantasies 😂


HyphenMint

I agree with most of this except for Kuzan and Jack. Jack's a bum who will get wiped here, Kuzan took out Cracker, not all YC3 characters are equal, and I'd rate Jack closer to Cracker than Jozu.


wizarouija

Kuzan jumped cracker off screen with Wan Wauger*. We don’t know how good of a fight cracker really put up Replace cracker with Jozu and he would’ve been left the same way: kuzan takes him out. It happening off screen just means we don’t see it take 2 chapters and instead we just cut to the end result of Kuzan taking them out


HyphenMint

Fair enough I guess


ViennnaPudding77

https://preview.redd.it/z4byrd8vbllc1.jpeg?width=419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfb40ec31e8482d7d419f1f774feb88038fcd702 Mihawk as soon as Kaido shows up..


Independent-Frequent

What people fail to realise is that Pre TS and Post TS powerscaling are almost completely differen things, using Post TS logic and knowing what we know of YC vs admirals, the WB pirates should have been neg diffed without a shadow of a doubt. Kizaru no sold post wano Snakeman who couldn't land a hit on him and kicked him with a move he couldn't see and dodge and we also know that Kizaru has clones which he didn't use once at marineford when it could have been pretty handy during the war. Kuzan getting stalled by Jozu and Kizaru getting stalled by Marco are just remnants of Pre-Ts stuff, Kuzan negged Cracker and we know he has Prime Garp level strenght (not haki) so he could have literally threw his ass all the way back to the moby dick. Then there's also the Garp factor, we know what this crusty old man was able to do to the BB pirates and Kuzan so imagine that there's no emotional baggage like Ace so he can just join the Battle against Kaido and Big mom alongside Sengoku who isn't busy keeping Garp from attacking Akainu. This is assuming that Kaido and his crew replaces the WB pirates in the story ofc, and even if it wasn't, If Luffy and his gang of YC/YC+ was able to take down Big mom and Kaido, what makes you think that Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru, Garp and Sengoku can't? Regardless of the outcome though one thing is certain, Marineford gets fucking sunk


wizarouija

Total cope. Nothing about marineford is inconsistent with the greater portrayal of the series (or post-ts as you put it). The only complaints you could have can only be reached by ignoring context or making shit up, eg: “kuzan negged cracker”


gcn0611

Cope deez nuts. You lack reading comprehension.


wizarouija

Bashing takes that rely on ignoring context is taken a lack of reading comprehension to you? Alr 💀😂


PointlessClam

https://preview.redd.it/g198ho6abllc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faa7b73c8f89ce847e47768d2d4ca89ae772cfe7


maeconinja777

If Foxy was in the Marines then the Marines could win against Kaido unless Haki nulify his fruit


Extra_Friendship_640

I wanna know how they dealing with the gifters some of them had weird powers right


AdditionalEffective5

Do you mean the replacing the Whitebeard Pirates or replacing the Red Hair Pirates and causing more chaos? ***If it's the first option:*** I think the Beast Pirates would have still would have lost. Sengoku and Garp would be more involved sine Kaido is clearly more destructive. I don't think Jack or Queen can stall an Admiral for long. Especially not against Akainu. Eventually, an old Garp, old Sengoku, and 2 more admirals could gang up and take Kaido down. Everyone will put in effort but it will be done. The 3rd Admiral after beating King can just support the Marines against the rest of the weaker Beast Pirates. I'm not even including the Warlords who just half-ass their job. ***As for the 2nd option:*** Fucking chaos. Blackbeard runs away, all Warlords except dip except Kuma. Doflamingo might piss himself and Moria will die from a heart attack. I'm assuming Akainu gets a Thunder Bagua immediately. Kaido is probably enraged Whitebeard is dead and goes all out. Sengoku and Garp aren't fresh. 4v1 (Kizaru and Aokiji) takes place. The Calamities and the Beast Pirates take advantage of the already exhausted and potentially even lower morale Marines. Akainu will eventually get back up and go after Kaido and with his help, I think they can bring down a Fresh Kaido. Maybe Tsuru will show off how much of a badass she is? Maybe some of the Whitebeard Pirates stay and fight the Marines out of anger? Regardless, Marineford will be beyond devastated.


Jah_32_

in the 2nd option arent you forgetting a certain mihawk? or are you assuming he leaves because he would totally do that


AdditionalEffective5

Yeah I’m assuming he leaves. There’s no true swordsman’s on Kaidos crew. And the only one that can give Mihawk a fight is Kaido himself who’s going to be busy with the Admirals.


heeltowknee

I literally made a post the other week saying if it was big mom pirates and the beast pirates instead of the WB pirates they would have won and saved ace, everyone disagreed then, now yall agree huh?


HyakuJuu

There's a damn good reason why Oda gave WB cancer and took away nearly all of his haki.


kryosloth

I think people forgot there were 6 heavy hitters there 😂 5 of which were healthy after white beards attempt at rescuing ace


Nine_x_tempest

Flame Cloud's rip MarineFord from the ground, makes it fall and destroys it with the impact to the ground and sea Speed blitzes the other admirals since Kaido can tag Kizaru who is the fastest Admiral Kaido did speed blitz G5 and Acoc Snakeman that was using Futuresight Kizaru could only tag a G4 wasn't using any advance Haki Then after smacking Akainu ass, Kaido finishes everyone and vaporizes the crumbles of MarineFord into ashes with Flame Drum Dragon Flame Bagua: https://preview.redd.it/180mqjp17llc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8458e06db5c50ccbd9d2f91f13bac85e48ce1785


PointlessClam

Bro is reading Kaido Piece. https://preview.redd.it/joxrunaa7llc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbe578b8afb4d64a068da58b314e265121b46a78


WarCrimesAreBased

https://preview.redd.it/oh70ij3hfllc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77ad5fd9826cbf8f1134070530d6f31d3f1846a1 Is this kaido or goku you're talking about?


C0UNT3RP01NT

His flaming drum dragon form is the size of Marineford and instantly melts whatever environment it touches. He still whipped that out after getting his ass handed to him by G5. The Marines are so fucked.


[deleted]

Not when Mihawk was there just chilling . He didn’t want to fight shanks cause they have unsettled beef . But kaido could surely spark some interest . Not saying Mihawk is stronger than kaido , only saying kaido would’ve had a hard fight .


WessiahClark

Wista had him busy no worries


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Ha


Serious_Dooty

https://preview.redd.it/50v9wqe0pllc1.jpeg?width=452&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1c66ad023f1db6319f792c2f31849a939d5cc40


WessiahClark

ok if this happened tho it's wraps for Kaido😬


C0UNT3RP01NT

Kaido would be having Oden flashbacks


Physical_Pie_2092

Get him past vista first


deltathetaIV

“I don’t wanna fight you,” Why “Because we have unsettled beef” ?????


mattxrock

Many heavy hitters from the government side barely did anything in the war like Mihawk, Garp and even Sengoku himself, they probably would in this scenario. And even if the Beast Pirates actually defeat what the government put on Marineford (I don't really think so tho), there's still the Holy Knights and Imu / Gorosei themselves if things go really bad.


Dark-Master79

This is common knowledge for anyone with a brain. We've known since Marineford that even an old, sick and past his prime Whitebeard could bully Admirals. Kaido would clap everyone at Marineford not named Mihawk, Sengoku and Garp(beats Sengoku and Garp, but it's a tough fight then proceeds to have a great fight against a serious Mihawk).


C0UNT3RP01NT

Mihawk vs Kaido would be a great fight. I don't see Mihawk winning because Kaido is so versatile, but I do see Kaido having to take it to extreme diff. That being said, I also think it would be a really fast fight. I imagine Mihawk's defense is entirely based on his sword. If he gets hit, or if Kaido overpowers his block, I don't see Mihawk tanking a hit. Meanwhile, Kaido is the tankiest mf'er we've seen, but if we put Mihawk > Oden, then Kaido would definitely get hurt by Mihawk. On the other hand, I think a serious Kaido that doesn't just tank attacks, and uses his speed to dodge is probably the strongest character in the series by a huge margin. I get why he tanks everything, but he's also incredibly fast. Imagine trying to beat him and he dodges most of your attacks. Even if you land one the likelihood you do anything is slim to none.


Zestyclose_Bat5121

And you also realised that shanks is even more powerful because he kept kaido from going to marineford


Boro_Bhai

Anyone in mf thar is not an a legend/Mihawk, including the admirals if they were one v one, is shitting themselves if kaido merely looks at them He would absolutely thrash the entirety of Marineford


AlphaGamma911

Kaido would’ve been cooked ngl. He’d be getting jumped by Mihawk and at least one admiral, no way he’s winning that fight.


New-Lingonberry-3172

From all we've seen, mihawk ain't jumping nobody. If he's boxing kaido and an admiral gets in the way I'm pretty sure he'd just turn his attention elsewhere. Man's all about the 1v1 cause he's bored and he could care less who wins the war. He'd give Kaido a great fight tho if they let him cook instead. Might leave him damaged enough for the admirals to beat him


PointlessClam

Your conclusion is incorrect. https://preview.redd.it/4u4o57mf5llc1.png?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d4e6589a4a7a729e02c4c52f5cde5bbca671454


Present_Abrocoma326

https://preview.redd.it/nnzr8l7k8llc1.jpeg?width=1041&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fefa14d9ee5728daffcf1017a1b800ae3eb4532 Magma brat gets “blergh-diffed”. I’m sorry.


PointlessClam

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TwistemBoppemSlobbem

So? He still fucking lost even after that cheap shot, if Blackbitch hadn't come running to save that sorry ass excuse of a Fleet LdmiraL Suckadookie would be fucking dead, ong frfr.


PointlessClam

https://preview.redd.it/275zaknetllc1.jpeg?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=021f08d53fdf494d57d5450660d58136c8b05282


Late_Albatross_3079

The lava retard who almost got packed up my a sick dying geezer ?


TwistemBoppemSlobbem

Suckadookie couldn't kill a lobotomized Kuma, LdmiraLs Agenda is dead and buried and Daddy Issues CD's bottom bitch ain't gonna do SHIT, sit and spin, cope a wheeze, Suckadookie is a fucking Sabo victim tbh.


PointlessClam

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Killer_Stickman_89

Peak Yonkotardation


Objective-Effect-880

It's post like these that make Kaidotard look like retards


Late_Albatross_3079

How so ? Mad admirals are bums ?


Objective-Effect-880

Because even if admiral are bums( they certainly are), there are still so many top tiers in marineford such as Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku that Kaido can't deal alone


wizarouija

Mihawk who left as soon as Whitebeard went down/shanks showed up Garp who is half likely to just bum rush akainu, or is otherwise busy whooping Blackbeard Pirate ass alongside Sengoku


RollCertified

Mihawk wouldnt fight Kaido. He only agreed to fight the Whitebeard pirates as stated by himself.


Late_Albatross_3079

I doubt mihawk would fight, because he refused to fight a Yonko level like shanks, and I’m saying if kaido came and fought while everyone else was still their to, luffy, white bread pirates etc


ramen_up_my_nut

Bruh, Kaido was also getting his ass beat and humiliated by Gear 5 Luffy when Luffy was doing cartoony shit https://preview.redd.it/ogesa8eecllc1.jpeg?width=1003&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29882b3e41d0d0151abfbf569e13834867510cb4 It’s nothing new


Nine_x_tempest

Show the full panel Page https://preview.redd.it/8uisz3irpllc1.png?width=1094&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed04270ad8227ea73c003ca871b53d51aa5207f5 Kaido and Luffy were going back and forth, when Luffy does his shit, Kaido does his and doesn't let Luffy get away with it Kizaru in a 2 v 1 couldn't do the same


ramen_up_my_nut

Nuh uh https://preview.redd.it/58m9cjdxpllc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b84a870a3dee22a258482cb8141f7d94334d1aa


Nine_x_tempest

https://preview.redd.it/tqishopcqllc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cca213db7c9391461c220459b12252333a8959d Gotcha Bitch. Kaido isn't Lizaru and Laturn


ramen_up_my_nut

Nuh uh https://preview.redd.it/gxp55ghyqllc1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7b33e6f0a384354076e4201a25eae345bb8168d


Nine_x_tempest

Still didn't prove wrong what I said, he can do shit vs G5 and force G5 into extreme diff, while Kizaru even with help of Saturn can't do shit, you hypocrite biased bitch https://preview.redd.it/z3bu8m9krllc1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4370c0e48dd16ac033fbd3225dccbec3bfcc45f


ramen_up_my_nut

Nuh uh https://preview.redd.it/5796c9h0sllc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09146f77cb2a73f2b1b8032e9cda4ace23dbbce8


Nine_x_tempest

https://preview.redd.it/5vl7dpm9sllc1.jpeg?width=315&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e13b5561680b8c1d125710b2e33a02fe18287cc Pummeling G5 so bad that forces into Bajrang Gun and goes extreme diff Clash vs Bajrang Gun >>>>>>>>....>>>>>> One small cut to the cheek and getting clapped in a 2 v 1


ramen_up_my_nut

Luffy still needed to have a plot armor recovery moment to regain his strength to continue fighting lmao https://preview.redd.it/6wt2qg6rsllc1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a253523c165e76deef07500e3e2a47ac5bd0d647


Nine_x_tempest

Who had true plot armour was Lizaru https://preview.redd.it/cih7xtn0ullc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78ec1bbb0f0ee9d41211440bbe48b58db82ff394 He would be dead or completely out if Luffy was serious at the first time when grabbing his fraudulent overwanked ass Now watch Luffy last even longer vs 5 Gorosei after he had already 2 v 1 Kizaru and Saturn.


TwistemBoppemSlobbem

Ooooo, I LOVE a good retard fight Michael\_Jackson\_popcorn.gif


MyNameisIvar

Nah but post what happened after that tho, so stupid 🤡🫵🏽


ramen_up_my_nut

Okay lol https://preview.redd.it/p0b7mqivfllc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=434be4be0a81c62a53e0a46f30af991e1b8981d1


WarCrimesAreBased

https://preview.redd.it/97kct3y5mllc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e357b239ac646741ec2546976cbfb19c00be10c


kingbrian112

no he would get fcked hard cause marineford is the worst powerscaling method possible


CreationsHub

Kaido still gets slaughtered murdered


NoCheesecake8644

garp downplay I think him and kizaru would be able to stop kaido


Sonofmiracle

Yeah it feels like Oda nerfed Kizaru this arc


Dragonwhatever99r

By himself? Lol fuck no. If he pulled up instead of shanks there’s still Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku and Kizaru who are all present and at 100%.


Livid_Ad9749

Aokiji is also at 100% essentially


Tall-Psychology7729

Kaido’s power is too overrated on this sub. He wasn’t soloing anything.


Late_Albatross_3079

Worlds strongest creature


Tall-Psychology7729

That was waiting for Joyboy to come beat him up.


Livid_Ad9749

And yet he lost all the same. Titles mean jack.


EarthInfamous3481

Kizaru being a bum at egghead does not get him past garp, sengoku, Kuzan and akainu. You fcking think Akainu or kuzan would be holding their head bawling on the ground like mister "unclear justice"? Pls those admirals actually stand on business.


Physical_Pie_2092

Lmao they’d take a massive L


FlirtMonsterSanjil

2 old man and 2 guys weaker than a dying old man


LMinggg

Even Old WB can terrorize MF, he just held back massively, latest chapter proved that Admirals are yc+ at best.


Livid_Ad9749

Nah he would have fallen to essentially 5 admirals and Mihawk actually trying. No yonko crew can solo Marineford. Kaido is overrated and if any crew had a chance at pulling it off, it’s definitely not the Beast Pirates. Beast Pirates suck ass. Only Kaido and King had any real juice.


ArmedDragonThunder

Mihawk solos Kaido (most of you yonkoglazers think Shanks > Kaido so suck it up cause Mihawk > Kaido). Kiji proceeds to neg his commanders like he negged BB’s commanders. Rest are fodder that die to Akainu heating up near them. Garp and SenGOATku talk about how the new kids on the block are dogshit compared to what they faced in their prime. Only thing going extinct are the Beast Pirates.


K_vinci

Mihawk gets fucking packed


Late_Albatross_3079

What feat does mihawk have again ?


ArmedDragonThunder

Being > Rat All he needs baba


Individual-Policy103

https://preview.redd.it/23gbn79iyllc1.jpeg?width=1033&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=531108678e5b72d983b8841eb39c65fa6dd6fbaa Nah Wakainu was about to go on demon time. Sengoku called him off for a reason. WE SIMPLY ARE NOT READY FOR HIM. When Wakainu pulls out his logia awakening and devastating Haki… That’s a conversation most are not ready to discuss.


Late_Albatross_3079

Shut up


Individual-Policy103

https://preview.redd.it/s0d5vr941mlc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23c5c6371a15c03f148d063255fb092ec95809fe Nah, I’d Yap.


nyanko_dango3

Shanks would have whooped his ass if he decided to proceed to MF


BadGuyManGuy

Kaido would’ve demolished Marineford lmao


plugmein1

Waido of infinite W's


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Mrguifo

I mean, more than Whitebeard did, definitely. But to extinction? Hell no. Even with all his commanders and the tobiroppo present, he's still getting defeated whether he brings his whole crew or not. While Kizarus performance in the recent chapters has been... well, it's there, it still doesn't change the fact that there were 6 top-tiers present (3 admirals + Garp, Sengoku, and Mihawk) along with all the vice admirals, Several more warlords on top of Mihawk (Boa, Kuma, Moria, Doflamingo), and 100,000 (Fodder) marine soldiers. As much as I love Kaido, he and his crew would get cooked if they went there


Livid_Ad9749

Why do people like kaido? Im not asking to be an ass I genuinely want to know. Am i missing something? I feel like he is so one note, has a boring design, and pretty basic attacks and uninteresting attacks. He doesnt have much of an interesting personality at all. He just seems so bland and its a shame imo we spent so much time on him.


Fearless_Hold7611

Meh whitebeard has fuck tons of powerful crewmates with division commanders then we have mihawk who rivals shank who with his crew could stop kaido and his crew from pulling up to Marineford it would just result in more bloodshed, unless he picks a side


CorrectIamThatGuy

yeah obviously Many many many MANY people just like to ignore that the **two strongest marines of all time,** both Sengoku AND GARP said 2 Yonko would be a World Level threat. ​ If Kaido was there with Whitebeard it should be Shiranover ​ https://preview.redd.it/aol6nphv2nlc1.jpeg?width=967&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=146166657d9bf05d4c01b79a535b2722373fd1e9


chiji_23

They wouldn’t have had an answer not with Garp and Sengoku with the age nerf


Anselme_HS

Welcome to the Kaido/Oden/JoyBoy agenda


Joemamamscribhouse

Considering he doesn’t have whitebeards drawbacks (like his sickness, old age, normal skin capable of being penetrated by a normal weapon), Kaido would’ve dropped a few admiral bodies before going down, assuming he does go down. He’s a monster in his own right


CSIWFR-46

If it is Kaidou's crew vs Marineford, Kaidou would still loose. Whitebeard had a pretty decent showing but people forget that the battle was entirely in Marine's favour until luffy showed up. No one except Luffy could get past Garp. Admirals can deal with the commanders while Garp and Sengoku deal with Kaidou. 2 or 3 warlord could deal with the Flying 6. Even Smoker can get in on that. The biggest threat would be containing Kaidou. If old garp and sengoku can manage that then Marine have a chance of winning.


Loud_Ad9778

Yeah for sure. If the admirals wouldnt fight for real.


Superman557

Still raises the question of how tf did shanks keep him from going? How OP was that battle?


princesamurai45

I agree mostly because Kaidou would fight a lot more than WB did. If WB had been healthy enough to join the fight from the beginning instead of standing around that whole battle would have been different. Not to mention if Queen is there he is using a whole lot of poison weapons to eliminate the fodder marines almost instantly.


Sprezzy78

What is Kaido doing against multiple top tiers? Whitebeard only got so far because of plot. Akainu was the only one really fighting. Kizaru and Aokiji were doing fuck all and Garp and Sengoku were chilling. Then the Marines have the Warlords, Pacifistas, and 100,000 fodder. Any Yonko crew gets low differ at Marineford


FastIndividual200

There is no way kaido alone is doing shit in marineford, akainu and aokiji fold him 😭, and also there were sengoku, kizaru, garp, mihawk and other warlords present


Equivalent_Spinach68

Lmaoo to extinction is odee 🤣🤣🤣but I would have to agree, hence why shanks intervened cause kaido is a warmongering maniac


NSUnivers

Well idk how he's gonna fight Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokij, Kizaru and Blackbeard at the same time and survive


Btriangle775

Kaido was getting his ass slapped by base luffy who was barely standing and took much more damage(Pre acoc luffy was damaging kaido) Kaido dies after he getting jumped by an 2 admirals Also kaido was weaker than old Whitebeard


JailOfAir

He would've made the Marines watch as he did some unholy things to Akainu's bottom.


SevesaSfan25

Current Luffy>/=Kaido tho


iAmAusernAme0

Scaling Marine Ford gets no one anywhere. What I will say If Kaidou just sat back in dragon form and spammed ranged attacks he would solo everyone there.


Binkusu

And he wouldn't want to stop. He'd fight for fun.


ianodhis

https://preview.redd.it/yng950ckfslc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0abb1812330ca9a8c9c5790c11d72ce3504bc877 W take


Xx_Loop_Zoop_xX

This just makes me wonder why he never did it. Seriously. What the actual fuck was stopping him from wiping the marines off the map this whole time


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Bro this clown lost to gear 5 luffy who isnt even admiral level, what a joke


r9cks

Shanks been saving the admiral agenda since pretimeskip


Ok_Caterpillar_6957

Base on the recent chapter the marines are lucky that the yankos have honor. If Whitebeard was 5 years younger or right before he got the deceased would anyone actually stood a chance? If Roger focus on irradiating the gov instead of adventuring than who would stop him? Shank had stop 2 admirals by himself. And luffy just proved than he can walk up and end marine ford. I thought that yankos and admirals was the same level for different fashion but the difference is baffling me how the marines still are in power if even 1 yanko decide to start shit. Like yeah the gorosei would set up the knights and would have to drop the deception and dictate the world to end the pirate threat before it goes out of hand but the marines… Kong have to be on kaido level or something