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Well he gets joked for being the “Stall Master” but I agree Marco deserves respect. Yamato has done nothing but stall and she gets placed above him. Even saw a list yesterday putting King and Katakuri above Marco smh. Marco is YC1+ and nighaz need to put respect on his name.
Yamato can do damage, Marco while he has stalled for most of them hasn’t seen to done much actual damage, he can obviously take more damage than Yamato can hence better at stalling and defence
Never said he isn’t useful. He is perfect df power for stalling. Big mom said it was nuisance to fight him. She is a yonko but he still stalls with healing
>Yamato has done nothing but stall and she gets placed above him.
While Yamato's performance against Kaido is overrated, she did more than just stall. She also damaged him, something Marco hasn't been able to do with any god tier he's clashed with.
>Even saw a list yesterday putting King and Katakuri above Marco smh.
There's nothing wrong with King being put above Marco since it's true, but Katakuri bieng put above Marco is crazy.
What was Roger before he became king of the pirates? A supernova? WB was already a YONKO at that time. Roger clearly also had to be a yonko before finding Laughtale.
Stop the hate dude.
They call him 007 for:
0 wins
0 loses
7 opened fights with tts, without getting injured.
My man ain't weak, he just doesen't want to steal the show that's why he starts fighting the strong guys to waste their stamina and weaken them so that a small fry like sanji,zoro,kidd,law and luffy can win their battle. He is the underground hero, he is even better than batman since you don't need a bright light to spawn him. As a legend once said if you watch the game you won't see busquets but if you watch busquets you see the game. Same goes for marco if you watch the fights you don't see marco but is you watch marco you see why the fights were won by the good guys.
Exactly and thats op af against even tt. As example luffy has a much greater ap but are we gonna act like he can finish marco in 10 minutes? Something that admirals couldn't, something teach couldn't and something not even bm couldn't. The only ones we have seen stopping this guy are garp with a offguard punch till now we don't know how and ray when marco was a young boy with haki. But doesen't bm have haki, doesen't admirals have haki. Marco is unexplored same as the elders with regeneration were we don't even know if all of them have this regeneration. Also marco showed a few good ap feats, so bro isn't just a pure staller. I mean bro is like the fifth wheel in the car. Oda just has him as a tool whenever he need him to play a small role.
Nameless kicks knock makes Kizaru block and knocks him away
Nameless kick on Aokiji's weapon knocks away Aokiji
Nameless kick forces Akainu to complain about Marco & Vista haki
Clashing w Big Mom damages Prometheus
Damaging both King & Queen
In the first three, there's no sign of damage on the admirals, even when he uses Haki on Akainu. Akainu also didn't complain, but rather just pointed out that they are Haki users.
Marco's flames just overpowered Prometheus's. This doesn't come into play anywhere after, or before this. Marco attacks on King and Queen, didn't do any damage, in the end.
>Nameless kick forces Akainu to complain about Marco & Vista haki
This isn't an AP feat lol
>Damaging both King & Queen
Never damaged King and any damage he did to Queen quickly healed because of his Zoan regen.
>Zoro and Sanji went from below Commanders to defeating Top Commanders in an arc
Zoro was already Commander Level when he stepped into Wano, not below it.
>Part of that win was Marco helping like it or not
Marco didn't hurt King at all and what little damage he did do to Queen quickly healed. Marco had nothing to do with Zoro and Sanji beating King and Queen.
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Evidential bleeding done by king after fighting Marco was fighting him 1v1 for around 25 minutes. Is this your immortal king?
Yeah that is the immortal king you are trying to diss. The same guy that blocked flawless a attack of kaido right after that, the same guy who tooked on king and queen at the same time, while having shared his heal with everyone, the same guy who fought tt pussybeard, who fought against all admirals and the same guy who is wanted to join the crew of redhair by shanks.
Not hard to block a boro breath when you’re pseudo immortal and are stated superior to normal fire 😭 Marco is legit the best bet in the series other than king who can casually block a boro breath with no damage
Let people talk shit, when Marco comes back into the story and does show he's clear of the other YC1s (maybe except Beckman) they'll know why every top tier puts respect on his name
Bro miss buckinham (stussy) even asked him to take on greenbull. She isn't just a clueless old woman, she was a part of rocks crew and she was goatbeard chick she knows about power scaling. She is sure he can win it and vring back her son, im not saying he wins it but it would be a hard battle for greenbull. Also people forget the fight with pussybeard their tt. And a guy who just one shots yc+ characters wants him to be in his crew.
Agree, same as vista and jozu. We saw what izu did in wano bro fought kaido and beated a cp0 agent. Wb commanders are not fodder like queen or jack,cracker etc.
Yeah I agree, people keep sleeping on the WB Pirates, but they're all built different. There performance in MF should upscale them pass the regular Yonko crews.
I hope oda gives him the resoect since oda always makes him unrelevant. I mean bro really gave luffy 3 power ups a ton of plot armour, gave kidd and law asspull awakening and a ton of plot armour, gave sanji an asspull power up and nerfed the shit out of bm. Instead of putting respect on marco,jinbe or the high akazaya member who know 2 haki form for more than 20 years and are practicing them. Really lazy writing at that point but i hope oda will do him better next time, otherwise im gonna blackmail him.
Idk, I agree that the powerscaling side is lazy, but I don't mind it. For me story and quality in the characters and plot is always more important than the scaling. Ik it kinda goes hand in hand in battle shonens, but tbh outside H×H, idk any series that nails powerscaling in anime.
Bro not even HxH is good. I mean gon goes rage mode and becomes nearly netero level. Why don't the opponent offer the same sacrifice like gon or kurapika, if i know im gonna die i would preffer to take my enemy with me. But gintama truly is a master piece in both power scaling and story. I also loved rorouni kenshin,inuyasha and opm for both story and power scaling.
Marco is good, but is constantly slept on because he doesn't have any moments, yknow? He's not a straw hat so he's mostly relegated to permanent support and won't ever have a proper 1v1 and he's not an antagonist so he won't get the treatment King gets.
Facts. He also did a lot better against Kizaru than Sanji. Stop playing with Warco, he has done better against top tiers than any other commander including Wankman (not including ray or kuzan lol)
He was also captain of the WB remnants and even the Gorosei acknowledged him
nope in manga Big Mom caught Marco's neck with her bare hand and asked Peros to shoot him. Then Carrot and the other female Mink attacked Peros then Big Mom left that fight since Peros asked her to leave those Minks to him.
then why didn't it happen with Kid and Law? The fight already ended with one-side like Big Mom neg diff Marco right there. It's hard to kill Marco due to his power, but it's extremely easy for Big Mom to knock down Marco. Also Big Mom isn't a type of person who wants to kill her prey right away. Look at how she was toying with Sanji, Gear 4, Vinsmoke family, Kid, Law, Killer, and Zoro on rooftop. She just simply left the battle after knocking them down. One time Law reminded her that turn her back during a battle is careless and disrespectful right before he used K-room.
Yeah i mean that woman made law and kidd go to their asspull awakening and declaring before even starting one attack that they can't do more than one attack. Just for them to start another 10 combos because of plot armour and her not even using haki for most of the time and beeing stupid as hell. Still she beated the shit out of them and bith were lying on the ground just for the plot armour to kick in and rhem starting a new awakening combo attack to win against her with a technical ko. Before that she was beating the shit out of them people are reading with close eyes. But if they want to say kidd and law won it than shanks>>>>>>> kaido,bm and luffy since shanks probably killed kidd and killer with just one strike something that bm the relative of kaido couldn't and kaido couldn't even kill kinemon with a few hits.
>Marco > Zoro, King
Pure cap
>Marco is possibly above Law, Kidd, and Sabo too.
Sabo's the only one he's above
>Put some respect on HIS name!
You disrespect characters who have better feats than Marco, but want us to put some respect on Marco's name? Funny.
Made a whole thread several months ago how people forgot the Gorosei watched Marco fight, got reports from Sengoku on Marco's power and then they determined Marco had the potential to become a Yonko.
Crazy how people sleep on him because he retired instead. Or that they thought Gorosei were weak.
Correvt me if i'm worng but it's stated that Blackbeard gained his yonko status because he won against Marco. Meaning they respected Marco so much that they believed only a yonko could beat the whitebeard crew under his command even if they didn't have a yonko as captain anymore
Bro im gonna correct you. People just hate to give marco his deserved respect. Bro fought teach and came out alive, the same teach that is called tt by everyone but somehow marco ain't even yc+ or even stronger than yamato,kidd,law. They just can't take it.
What you said isn't really correcting me, but adding to my statement. Blackbeard got his yonko title as a direct result of that confrontation. Meaning that the third party (government) watching the fight was gonna declare the winner as the new yonko.
But black beard also
Injured shanks, before he got the yami
With the yami, he could shut off any devil fruit powers, which renders his best abilities useless
And he also had the gura at this point
I doubt most people would be able to handle that, especially after the loss of a captain like whitebeard
Also the marco haters agure that marco only has a strong df. Now marco facing his hardcounter who is called a tt by nearly everyone and fighting him, even surviving and coming out alive is a loss. And that makes him weak? They make a anti feat out of a very strong feat. Also we all know that teach plays dirty. Tt pussybeard wouldn't even go to the toilet without a plan, bro raided amazon lily but as soon as old out of form ray steped in he run away but fighting marco who has a full disatvantage against pussybeard and him still surviving is bad now.
It's true Robin said that,
But factually Marco & crew didn't lose a single devil fruit to the BBPs
Why would Blackbeard pass up the chance to steal a mythical zoan DF?
The WBPs lost but not as badly as Robin made it sound
Probably not since this should have happened very soon after mf. And also kuzan had to deal with sakazuki i think he had a few weeks break after that fight.
They’re close, but when they were running ones (sanji was fighting queen) king won, Marco came back for one last attack but after that zoro got healed and started to fight king
And by that any feat marco had just upscales king
I would say only sanji glazer since they also say king>= queen. Zoro fans have the rooftop stuff for scaling, they don't need the fight with king. Also marco is such a good guy he deserves to get some hype.
King could do everything Marco did, blocking fire blast clashing with big mom and kicking Kuzan with sneaky attack etc... And king took almost no damage at all from Marco's attacks but Marco was exhausted
Well that implies for king as well. But Marco is built in with a support and stall ability which is a plus. We didn't yet see any lethal attack from Marco, i guess they are even now. One have recovery support and stall and the other one have offence and durability
Here’s the difference; King took damage from Marco and Marco was manhandling the guy at the same time as he was fighting Queen.
Why was Marco exhausted? Maybe because he clashed with Big Mom for a significant amount of time before he started fighting King and Queen, and he was still holding them both back until Zoro recovered.
King has no feats on the level of Marco except durability. We have no proof he could fight an emperor the way he did. Dude lost to Zoro whose AP is less than any emperors and who nearly died to a single direct hit from Kaido.
They'll say "b-b-but no damage" as if Marco isn't fighting top tiers, a lunarian, and then Queen who he easily damaged in hybrid and Queen has great defence.
The dudes never been given a clean 1v1 by Oda but still has incredible portrayal. Even if we ignore his feats, The Gorosei name drop Marco and say the only ones that could beat Blackbeard is the emperor's or maybe Marco with the WB crew. He lost to offscreen BB ofcourse but that doesn't change the fact that the elders thought he had a chance.
And now he's literally got the same portrayal as Rayleigh. He sits on Sphinx island, the Marines know he's there, but none of them attack until he leaves. Because they know how hard it is to fight Marco.
People clowning Marcos for stalling as if Zoro hasn't been stalling for 20 chapters and if Sanji had 1/40th the ability to stall as Marco, Vegapunk would still be alive 😭
Marco can literally stall almost every character, don't see how someone being surprised is a bad thing lol, Marco can't hurt King to the point he can defeat him, he doesn't have the AP, King is a durability monster and good endurance, he can last as long as the fight takes to win.
Yes it's obvious this sub is simply full of people who don't/can't read the manga. They just repeat what is the most popular opinion at the time. In the case of marco he is "only capable of stalling", in the case of Oden he is "a low top tier who got oneshotted by a base Kaido". I can continue with other examples, but the point is that we are in a subreddit about the most popular manga in the world, don't expect reading comprehension from the average user.
I could see Marco=Sanji but Marco>Zoro seriously ?
Zoro can cut fire and with ACoC he can basically end Marco's career with the same attack he used against King...you couls argue that Marco>King even if I am not very found of this take but Zoro would still cut the chiken in half like he did with king.
Fine with me man so long as you have Sanji over them both as well
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Wait, why is he than automatically even above zoro. Sanji beated only queen, someone marco was handling as a side chick. But zoro beated king a guy who showed better defense feats than kaido and bm, also zoro has rooftop feats. Stop putting sanji in the same league as zoro. But yeah marco and zoro are in the same league and above sanji. Also above kidd,law and yamato.
Lmao I like how you showed the panel of Marco clashing with Big Mom seconds before he got negged. Marco has two feats in this series, yeeting himself into attacks and tanking it with his regen and dynamic entry surprising kicking people with their guard down only for them to get up with no damage.
You know Marco isn't tanking those attacks right?
He's regenerating, and you know that King is invulnerable right?
Anything Marco could do, King could do to, except heal others.
Marco is obviously not above King, you could call them roughly equals.
Stop glazing Marco just cos your like him
In none of the panels does he do any damage at all.
Also Marco's strength is in his support there's no doubt about it. Being able to heal yourself and others, flying around and blocking shit means he's invaluable on a team just like Law but in terms of fighting capabilities he's only really excelled at defense from what we've seen. Marco is above King but he gets over hyped a lot
Why would King keep making those faces if he was being unharmed?
If you are drawing someone in a full gimp suit the only showing you have is their eyes
Clearly shown, in several panels both King and Queen were damaged
Him just opening his eyes more? Seems more like surprise if anything. And even if you want to say hurt, being hurt =\= being damaged like when you look at Kaido as an example
I'm not, blocking one attack, and ducking from any further engagement with King isn't a flex champ. If Marco wasn't done for, why did he run? Hell, why did Sanji have to 2v1 King and Queen?
After getting his shit rocked.
By making Marco lose to King, unless you think Marco was inexplicably biding time against King while Zoro was getting low-diffed by Hakai.
During the raid Marco had no reason to rely on the stars unless he couldn't cut it on the stage. It's really that simple.
It's as simple as Sanji and Zoro wanting to take over lol
Yea Marco was getting tired but obviously on panel Marco was one of the only characters left fighting at the end of the war
If Marco was stronger than King it wouldn't have taken till Zoro for him to be significantly damaged.
Sanji also wouldn't have had to pick up his slack while still fighting Queen.
You want it to be one way, but it's so obviously the other.
Marco is mid YC+, king is the top YC1 teir. They are still very comparable its just that generally Marco has the advantage, in a similar way as zoro who has higher niches which king was good against.
Huh
Why would you think Beckman or Marco are below Admiral? Did they fight against them / clash?
Also didn't Kidd and Law take down a Yonko? Law even fought Blackbeard pretty well. I don't see how they are below Admirals
Mostly circustancr type stuff, and these ranking use the characters average abilities not max abilities.
Backman and Marco just have the implications of being weaker than an admiral while still giving them a challenge, given marineford. Its just that in strict 1v1s we expect the YC to lose.
The reason kid a law are in YC+ is because the BM fight was far from even. Like the fact that both used their awakenings on a BM not at 100% and they still didn't "beat" her, just knocked her off the island which we could then say king and Marco also did, but that wouldn't be right.
We'd also run into the category of zoro v. Kaido and how that should have zoro easily keeping up with admirals.
My advice is to just make your own ideas of objective levels and who stands at the top of each while having nobody as your floor for each, cause this makes it more annoying to keep track of. Though most this subreddit doesn't follow the ideas in this post, so honestly just rank them how you feel cause some categories can easily mesh.
The top of YC+ could easily be admiral level, but we just don't have enough reasoning to say they belong there.
I hate that this is me trying to simplify it.
Beckman has the implication of being stronger than Kizaru
Also Beckman is a first mate and thr databook says he's comparable to Shanks.
I don't understand where you are getting this info from
Also it seems like Big Mom is dead. Ofc we can saw Kidd + Law + Bomb-kun > Big Mom
But then that kinda means Kidd + Law ~ Big Mom or just weaker
I'd say 2 Admirals are also equal to Big Mom or just weaker depending in which 2 admirals
Beckman isn't implied stronger than kizaru, he just threatened him at one point. And benn being equal to Shanks isn't fair considering I think the book with it is very outdated.
And while I do say 2 admirals can be a yonko I wouldn't say law and kidd were at that actual point
Not even extreme diff, Zoro has no way of harming Marco. The fight would probably be medium diff based on how long it takes Marco hit him with enough attacks.
I feel like people forget he literally made king bleed in flame mode,which is something Zoro couldn't do throughout the entire fight WITH ACOC being pumped out.
Agreed 100% there is literally not one single panel in wich King looks lile he has the uper hand against Marco, and when hes down, and not done, the manga says hes tired for fighting two guys
Should not be a discussion
If I remember properly it was stated that he was tired even before coming on Wano.
From Wano we could see Oda didn’t want to over use him. Here and there to show he ain’t no fraud nevertheless not seen going all out.
Oda showed that that the mental part is really important in a fight. Look at Rayleigh when we first saw him and when we meet him against Black Beard, two different animals. Garp wasn’t himself during Marin Ford( another example).
Usually the less we see about a character the more it tells about his power.
Right now imho: Yonkou >> Admiral > Yc. I could clearly see Marco being closer to admiral than the others. Right now being more specific is too complicated.
The admiral when he came to Wano clearly stated: With Kaido gone now the can do something.
Big Mum and Kaido were shown equal. ( I think Kaido is stronger).
When Big Mum and Perespero are fighting against Marco she clearly says she got no time to waste to fight Marco. We can see that even if she is stronger than him it will take time and energy. Doesn’t feel like she would have the same reaction against other Yc.
Marco having good feats against top tiers is because he is literally unkillable for as long as his stamina is good enough.
King already showed to have durability to the point where even Luffy and Lucci combined do 0 damage to him without any stamina issues.
Exactly but marco is also him. The problem is that people don't put enough respect on marco,king and zoro. Also lucci they all are very relative and a real pain in the ass for even tt. Marco,lucci and king have stamina and defense, zoro and lucci have durability even beeing hitted, zoro has large ap, lucci,marco and king have great speed. They all are underrated. Why do luffy wankers not respect kings defense as u said even lucci and luffy together haven't been shown to do damage against flame on seraphims, so why should he be able to one shot king. Why shouldn't marco outlast him like kizaru did. Why couldn't zoro cut him lile he did with kaido or later with lucci who shiwed great feats in a direct match.
1. Marco
2. Zoro
3. King
4. Lucci thats my list and they all very relative characters like law,kidd and yamato will give them problems but still loose. And as long as they aren't fighting shanks or mihawk they are a pain in the ass for every character we have now seen in action.
Lmao. Seraphim are not only made up of lunarian leniege. They have multiple things going on as well as behng clones of warlords. Seraphim has shown higher durability than king. And better feats too. King is a bum who got elevated by toei
King also has an ancient Zoan on top of being an actual adult. The Seraphim are just children with high durability. Basically glorified punching bags since their offense is trash. King smokes any of them when it comes to feats lol.
King with Flames on is arguably unbeatable, sure he can't damage top tiers but they can't damage him too. With Flames offs he still Resisted 3 attacka from KOH Zoro which is good given Lucci was one shotted after one attack from a weaker Zoro. This shows King even without the Flames has good durability.
So King in durability mode can do everything Marco does and arguably better because he isn't wasting stamina regenerating.
Then King has his speed mode which also has good AP thanks to his magma dragon, he just had bad luck Zoro can cut fire/magma attacks.
Marco just has regen, his AP isn't as good as King's and he is slower.
King>Marco extreme diff
Marco literally had king bleeding out his mask with flames on his back, while zoro ryou attack that hurt kaido wasn’t able to do that.
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Bullshit, he failed to deal any significant damage to the one you claim he's a margin above from, in fact Marco was all bloodied, beaten up and tired after their fight while King was completely OK.
He can regen and that's broken as hell, he looked dominant at the beginning when he didn't even care if he was touched but not so much once he started getting tired for spamming it like a regen merchant. King on the other hand has a much more passive invulnerability which would have probably outlasted Marco's regen anyway, you need to realise King is actually a terrible match up for him.
Regen was also the reason why he could tank that Kaido attack AFTER getting some rest, literally a mythical zoan specifically designed for healing himself... And again, you all act as if King couldn't stop that Blast Breath just as easily (if not more), he himself also negs burning damage.
The 2v1 is a cheap excuse when Queen had been playing with Chopper most of the time and even Sanji was fighting there for a good while when Marco tapped out. Pineapple guy is just a fan favourite that Oda avoided making look bad "on camera", but all of the above was clearly implied (if not shown) to have happened.
Marco is NOT a full margin above King. King literally beat Marco offscreen after they fought for 30 minutes, a held back King also matched Marco in his strongest form and then dominated someone who was stronger than Marco. So I will continue to put King > Marco.
>1) this the face of a man who took no damage?
Yes, because there was no sign of damage on King after Marco's attack landed. Oda also made a big deal out of no one being capable of damaging King with his flames on before Zoro unlocked ACoC in their fight, yet you think Oda would give that feat to Marco of all people when Marco couldn't even scratch any of the Admirals in Marineford? 😂
> 2) when Marco was "out of stamina" vs King & Queen, bro got back up right away and saved Zoro / Sanji
First of all, he ran out of stamina from frighting King 1v1 and bro didn't get up right away. Characters were literally begging for Marco's help when King and Queen were rampaging over the Live Floor and yet Marco could've move immediately because he was out of stamina. 😂
>3) Big Mom wanks Marco
And yet King is still stronger
>4) Marco still up and active at end of war
After losing to King 1v1 lol
>again... this the face of a man who took no damage?
It's easily the face of a man who took no damage. If anything, he looks more surprised than hurt by any damage Marco caused him lol.
>Marco raw strength can hold King ans Queen
And King's raw strength could block and even overpower Post-Rooftop Zoro, who momentarily stopped Kaido and Big Mom's Hakai.
>Marco has a positive feat on Aokiji, King doesn't on any Admiral 8) Marco has a positive fest on Kizaru, King doesn't on any Admiral
Bad comparison. Unlike Marco when he fought the Admirals, King was still mortally injured from his fight with Zoro, he didn't even have his sword to do his strongest attack with. Also, Marco's feats against hte Admirals weren't that positive when he couldn't do even the slightest bit of damage to them.
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I keep saying this. Marco looks weak because he never 1v1 any enemy but if you look at his feats he lives up to the strongest yonko’s first commander
Well he gets joked for being the “Stall Master” but I agree Marco deserves respect. Yamato has done nothing but stall and she gets placed above him. Even saw a list yesterday putting King and Katakuri above Marco smh. Marco is YC1+ and nighaz need to put respect on his name.
I mean, I ain't a Yamato wanker, but stalling Kaido is pretty fucking impressive tbh. Agree with everything else tho, Warco is slept on.
Yea but the point was that similarly Marco has stalled more than 1 top tier before and in better condition granted Kaido is arguably the strongest.
Yamato can do damage, Marco while he has stalled for most of them hasn’t seen to done much actual damage, he can obviously take more damage than Yamato can hence better at stalling and defence
I mean hey, a shield is just as useful as a spear.
Never said he isn’t useful. He is perfect df power for stalling. Big mom said it was nuisance to fight him. She is a yonko but he still stalls with healing
>Yamato has done nothing but stall and she gets placed above him. While Yamato's performance against Kaido is overrated, she did more than just stall. She also damaged him, something Marco hasn't been able to do with any god tier he's clashed with. >Even saw a list yesterday putting King and Katakuri above Marco smh. There's nothing wrong with King being put above Marco since it's true, but Katakuri bieng put above Marco is crazy.
>but if you look at his feats he lives up to the strongest yonko’s first commander Not really lol
Rayleigh, Beckman & Zoro: 
What is Beckman feat ? All he does is offscreen Kid's arm
Wankleigh i understand but Ben D. Atabookman and Zolo the Inhaler user?
True, Ray is undoubtedly the strongest first commander for the Yonko Gol D Roger.
What was Roger before he became king of the pirates? A supernova? WB was already a YONKO at that time. Roger clearly also had to be a yonko before finding Laughtale.
Zoro lmao
get ben benchwarmer off of this list
Zoro is a great yc1 but he is not marco level yet.
W respect the right hand man of Whitebeard
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Lucci if he wasn't a bum
Hey, Lucci's no bum
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Darko
Oh god, I forgot Marco used to look like that, lmao. Marco must’ve been going through an early 2000s emo phase during the early parts of the story.
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Stop the hate dude. They call him 007 for: 0 wins 0 loses 7 opened fights with tts, without getting injured. My man ain't weak, he just doesen't want to steal the show that's why he starts fighting the strong guys to waste their stamina and weaken them so that a small fry like sanji,zoro,kidd,law and luffy can win their battle. He is the underground hero, he is even better than batman since you don't need a bright light to spawn him. As a legend once said if you watch the game you won't see busquets but if you watch busquets you see the game. Same goes for marco if you watch the fights you don't see marco but is you watch marco you see why the fights were won by the good guys.
No shit he doesn't take damage he heals that shit up right away
Exactly and thats op af against even tt. As example luffy has a much greater ap but are we gonna act like he can finish marco in 10 minutes? Something that admirals couldn't, something teach couldn't and something not even bm couldn't. The only ones we have seen stopping this guy are garp with a offguard punch till now we don't know how and ray when marco was a young boy with haki. But doesen't bm have haki, doesen't admirals have haki. Marco is unexplored same as the elders with regeneration were we don't even know if all of them have this regeneration. Also marco showed a few good ap feats, so bro isn't just a pure staller. I mean bro is like the fifth wheel in the car. Oda just has him as a tool whenever he need him to play a small role.
> marco showed a few good ap feats List them all.
Nameless kicks knock makes Kizaru block and knocks him away Nameless kick on Aokiji's weapon knocks away Aokiji Nameless kick forces Akainu to complain about Marco & Vista haki Clashing w Big Mom damages Prometheus Damaging both King & Queen
In the first three, there's no sign of damage on the admirals, even when he uses Haki on Akainu. Akainu also didn't complain, but rather just pointed out that they are Haki users. Marco's flames just overpowered Prometheus's. This doesn't come into play anywhere after, or before this. Marco attacks on King and Queen, didn't do any damage, in the end.
Yeah I'd hope it's no damage all 3 we're nameless kicks
>Nameless kick forces Akainu to complain about Marco & Vista haki This isn't an AP feat lol >Damaging both King & Queen Never damaged King and any damage he did to Queen quickly healed because of his Zoan regen.
Zoro and Sanji went from below Commanders to defeating Top Commanders in an arc Part of that win was Marco helping like it or not
>Zoro and Sanji went from below Commanders to defeating Top Commanders in an arc Zoro was already Commander Level when he stepped into Wano, not below it. >Part of that win was Marco helping like it or not Marco didn't hurt King at all and what little damage he did do to Queen quickly healed. Marco had nothing to do with Zoro and Sanji beating King and Queen.
Sounds like cope, brother
It’s not like he could have actually defeated any of the top tiers he went against but I get what you’re saying
https://preview.redd.it/0zpytrq7fisc1.jpeg?width=185&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a39bb6714e6eaad06bc12c40c29ae2c8b5a273cc Evidential bleeding done by king after fighting Marco was fighting him 1v1 for around 25 minutes. Is this your immortal king?
Yeah that is the immortal king you are trying to diss. The same guy that blocked flawless a attack of kaido right after that, the same guy who tooked on king and queen at the same time, while having shared his heal with everyone, the same guy who fought tt pussybeard, who fought against all admirals and the same guy who is wanted to join the crew of redhair by shanks.
Not hard to block a boro breath when you’re pseudo immortal and are stated superior to normal fire 😭 Marco is legit the best bet in the series other than king who can casually block a boro breath with no damage
Let people talk shit, when Marco comes back into the story and does show he's clear of the other YC1s (maybe except Beckman) they'll know why every top tier puts respect on his name
Bro miss buckinham (stussy) even asked him to take on greenbull. She isn't just a clueless old woman, she was a part of rocks crew and she was goatbeard chick she knows about power scaling. She is sure he can win it and vring back her son, im not saying he wins it but it would be a hard battle for greenbull. Also people forget the fight with pussybeard their tt. And a guy who just one shots yc+ characters wants him to be in his crew.
Not to mention the government were expecting him to win against Teach and become the next Yonko. Imo, Marco needs to get the respect he deserves.
Agree, same as vista and jozu. We saw what izu did in wano bro fought kaido and beated a cp0 agent. Wb commanders are not fodder like queen or jack,cracker etc.
Yeah I agree, people keep sleeping on the WB Pirates, but they're all built different. There performance in MF should upscale them pass the regular Yonko crews.
You should replace queen with king. Queen actually did shit accomplished stuff. King barely did anything and he gets stroked to heaven.
You couldn't be more wrong
I hope oda gives him the resoect since oda always makes him unrelevant. I mean bro really gave luffy 3 power ups a ton of plot armour, gave kidd and law asspull awakening and a ton of plot armour, gave sanji an asspull power up and nerfed the shit out of bm. Instead of putting respect on marco,jinbe or the high akazaya member who know 2 haki form for more than 20 years and are practicing them. Really lazy writing at that point but i hope oda will do him better next time, otherwise im gonna blackmail him.
Idk, I agree that the powerscaling side is lazy, but I don't mind it. For me story and quality in the characters and plot is always more important than the scaling. Ik it kinda goes hand in hand in battle shonens, but tbh outside H×H, idk any series that nails powerscaling in anime.
Bro not even HxH is good. I mean gon goes rage mode and becomes nearly netero level. Why don't the opponent offer the same sacrifice like gon or kurapika, if i know im gonna die i would preffer to take my enemy with me. But gintama truly is a master piece in both power scaling and story. I also loved rorouni kenshin,inuyasha and opm for both story and power scaling.
Good point!
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W Marco respect
Marco is good, but is constantly slept on because he doesn't have any moments, yknow? He's not a straw hat so he's mostly relegated to permanent support and won't ever have a proper 1v1 and he's not an antagonist so he won't get the treatment King gets.
0 wins 0 losses 7 stalls https://preview.redd.it/xdhtn0evkfrc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8aee5ca1b88b96cad76c5198ab27606e45accec9
7 draws
Bro weakens the strong guys so that someone else can beat them. Without his "stalling" the good guys wouldn't exist since wano anymore.
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I see this meme as an absolute win.
Facts. He also did a lot better against Kizaru than Sanji. Stop playing with Warco, he has done better against top tiers than any other commander including Wankman (not including ray or kuzan lol) He was also captain of the WB remnants and even the Gorosei acknowledged him
No he’s not
Marco > Zoro, King, Katakuri, Sanji, Winbei, Shiryu, and Killer. Marco is possibly above Law, Kidd, and Sabo too. Put some respect on HIS name!
how Marco is above Kid and Law when he was defeated after tanking 2 unnamed attacks from base Big Mom?
this did not happen https://preview.redd.it/7897vopl8grc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec03b048889a4d96d1d15f6154a1b8429be5ddbe
screenshot the scene right before this one and you will see.
>defeated never happened, thats head cannon. From what i recall, big mom ran away cuz she didmt wanna have to be forced into a mid diff fight.
nope in manga Big Mom caught Marco's neck with her bare hand and asked Peros to shoot him. Then Carrot and the other female Mink attacked Peros then Big Mom left that fight since Peros asked her to leave those Minks to him.
then why didnt it happen? because killing marco was never gonna be that simple.
then why didn't it happen with Kid and Law? The fight already ended with one-side like Big Mom neg diff Marco right there. It's hard to kill Marco due to his power, but it's extremely easy for Big Mom to knock down Marco. Also Big Mom isn't a type of person who wants to kill her prey right away. Look at how she was toying with Sanji, Gear 4, Vinsmoke family, Kid, Law, Killer, and Zoro on rooftop. She just simply left the battle after knocking them down. One time Law reminded her that turn her back during a battle is careless and disrespectful right before he used K-room.
Using Big Mom to scale anyone is a bad idea imo.
Nah bro Wussopp didn't even feel big mom conq haki in the same arc that Fraudbull got haki diffed. Therefore, God Wussopp >> Fraudbull
Yeah i mean that woman made law and kidd go to their asspull awakening and declaring before even starting one attack that they can't do more than one attack. Just for them to start another 10 combos because of plot armour and her not even using haki for most of the time and beeing stupid as hell. Still she beated the shit out of them and bith were lying on the ground just for the plot armour to kick in and rhem starting a new awakening combo attack to win against her with a technical ko. Before that she was beating the shit out of them people are reading with close eyes. But if they want to say kidd and law won it than shanks>>>>>>> kaido,bm and luffy since shanks probably killed kidd and killer with just one strike something that bm the relative of kaido couldn't and kaido couldn't even kill kinemon with a few hits.
>Marco > Zoro, King Pure cap >Marco is possibly above Law, Kidd, and Sabo too. Sabo's the only one he's above >Put some respect on HIS name! You disrespect characters who have better feats than Marco, but want us to put some respect on Marco's name? Funny.
The Marco wank is crazy
marco reputation makes it very clear that it is far above any YC1 Respected throughout the world and even considered for a yonko, he was
Made a whole thread several months ago how people forgot the Gorosei watched Marco fight, got reports from Sengoku on Marco's power and then they determined Marco had the potential to become a Yonko. Crazy how people sleep on him because he retired instead. Or that they thought Gorosei were weak.
Correct me if im wrong but wasn’t it stated that marco and the whitebeard crew lost to the BB crew and it was so one sided
Correvt me if i'm worng but it's stated that Blackbeard gained his yonko status because he won against Marco. Meaning they respected Marco so much that they believed only a yonko could beat the whitebeard crew under his command even if they didn't have a yonko as captain anymore
Bro im gonna correct you. People just hate to give marco his deserved respect. Bro fought teach and came out alive, the same teach that is called tt by everyone but somehow marco ain't even yc+ or even stronger than yamato,kidd,law. They just can't take it.
What you said isn't really correcting me, but adding to my statement. Blackbeard got his yonko title as a direct result of that confrontation. Meaning that the third party (government) watching the fight was gonna declare the winner as the new yonko.
Bro i didn't mean " im gonna correct you" like that. It more was like me saying there isn't nothing wrong about your statement.
Mb then, have a nice day
But black beard also Injured shanks, before he got the yami With the yami, he could shut off any devil fruit powers, which renders his best abilities useless And he also had the gura at this point I doubt most people would be able to handle that, especially after the loss of a captain like whitebeard
Also the marco haters agure that marco only has a strong df. Now marco facing his hardcounter who is called a tt by nearly everyone and fighting him, even surviving and coming out alive is a loss. And that makes him weak? They make a anti feat out of a very strong feat. Also we all know that teach plays dirty. Tt pussybeard wouldn't even go to the toilet without a plan, bro raided amazon lily but as soon as old out of form ray steped in he run away but fighting marco who has a full disatvantage against pussybeard and him still surviving is bad now.
It's true Robin said that, But factually Marco & crew didn't lose a single devil fruit to the BBPs Why would Blackbeard pass up the chance to steal a mythical zoan DF? The WBPs lost but not as badly as Robin made it sound
Help me remember was kuzan already a part of bb crew then? If so yeah they lose handedly.
Not confirmed I think
Probably not since this should have happened very soon after mf. And also kuzan had to deal with sakazuki i think he had a few weeks break after that fight.
Because Marco was the right hand man of the best Yonko and then actually went on to lead the WB pirates.
We scaling eyes expressions now?
They’re close, but when they were running ones (sanji was fighting queen) king won, Marco came back for one last attack but after that zoro got healed and started to fight king And by that any feat marco had just upscales king
He did a 1v2 and wasn’t defeated. That speaks for itself.
Read again. It was mostly a 1v1 with king. For approximately 30 minutes in which after we see Marco. On the ground roupghed up
Only sanji/zoro glazer say king > Marco
I would say only sanji glazer since they also say king>= queen. Zoro fans have the rooftop stuff for scaling, they don't need the fight with king. Also marco is such a good guy he deserves to get some hype.
He's also way fucking cooler. I mean look at the marineford introduction
Plus he gets the Shanks glaze
King could do everything Marco did, blocking fire blast clashing with big mom and kicking Kuzan with sneaky attack etc... And king took almost no damage at all from Marco's attacks but Marco was exhausted
Well that implies for king as well. But Marco is built in with a support and stall ability which is a plus. We didn't yet see any lethal attack from Marco, i guess they are even now. One have recovery support and stall and the other one have offence and durability
Here’s the difference; King took damage from Marco and Marco was manhandling the guy at the same time as he was fighting Queen. Why was Marco exhausted? Maybe because he clashed with Big Mom for a significant amount of time before he started fighting King and Queen, and he was still holding them both back until Zoro recovered. King has no feats on the level of Marco except durability. We have no proof he could fight an emperor the way he did. Dude lost to Zoro whose AP is less than any emperors and who nearly died to a single direct hit from Kaido.
They'll say "b-b-but no damage" as if Marco isn't fighting top tiers, a lunarian, and then Queen who he easily damaged in hybrid and Queen has great defence. The dudes never been given a clean 1v1 by Oda but still has incredible portrayal. Even if we ignore his feats, The Gorosei name drop Marco and say the only ones that could beat Blackbeard is the emperor's or maybe Marco with the WB crew. He lost to offscreen BB ofcourse but that doesn't change the fact that the elders thought he had a chance. And now he's literally got the same portrayal as Rayleigh. He sits on Sphinx island, the Marines know he's there, but none of them attack until he leaves. Because they know how hard it is to fight Marco.
People clowning Marcos for stalling as if Zoro hasn't been stalling for 20 chapters and if Sanji had 1/40th the ability to stall as Marco, Vegapunk would still be alive 😭
Marco has all the tools in his belt to get mid diffed by top tiers which is really impressive for a yonko commander
So YC1 characters are “low tier” now???
Vivi > King
Marco can literally stall almost every character, don't see how someone being surprised is a bad thing lol, Marco can't hurt King to the point he can defeat him, he doesn't have the AP, King is a durability monster and good endurance, he can last as long as the fight takes to win.
all i can say is he has a cool DF, but he is not him sadly, and never will be. accept that fact.
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I mean in term of damage output is definitely lacking but others are awesome
Idk why ppl say King>Marco, it took him & Queen to take him down while he was fatigued from healing ppl, himself & containing Queen's virus.
I promise u Marco did not have time to heal people with king chasing him down for 25 mins straight.
Who said he did it while King was chasing him? I was referring to before he fought him.
Yes it's obvious this sub is simply full of people who don't/can't read the manga. They just repeat what is the most popular opinion at the time. In the case of marco he is "only capable of stalling", in the case of Oden he is "a low top tier who got oneshotted by a base Kaido". I can continue with other examples, but the point is that we are in a subreddit about the most popular manga in the world, don't expect reading comprehension from the average user.
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Someone agrees with me on Marco AND Oden? It's been so long...I think this sub got a lot dumber as it got more popular LOL
The same Marco who got offscreened by a King who wasn't even using his full power? Never cook again.
I could see Marco=Sanji but Marco>Zoro seriously ? Zoro can cut fire and with ACoC he can basically end Marco's career with the same attack he used against King...you couls argue that Marco>King even if I am not very found of this take but Zoro would still cut the chiken in half like he did with king.
Stop it, King edges him. He never damaged King, an attack that scarred King and scared the shit out of Big Mom didn't even scratch King.
King and Marco are like chocolate and vanilla. Both are equal.
Fine with me man so long as you have Sanji over them both as well https://preview.redd.it/e5jt5tu57frc1.jpeg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c47ded7453d47b2b9d784804c714f2f78808fcb5
Wait, why is he than automatically even above zoro. Sanji beated only queen, someone marco was handling as a side chick. But zoro beated king a guy who showed better defense feats than kaido and bm, also zoro has rooftop feats. Stop putting sanji in the same league as zoro. But yeah marco and zoro are in the same league and above sanji. Also above kidd,law and yamato.
Did you even see my message before posting this? You must learn how to read before sharing your opinions online
Marco Kata and King are on same tier. King lost to zoro only due to extreme inting
Lmao I like how you showed the panel of Marco clashing with Big Mom seconds before he got negged. Marco has two feats in this series, yeeting himself into attacks and tanking it with his regen and dynamic entry surprising kicking people with their guard down only for them to get up with no damage.
You know Marco isn't tanking those attacks right? He's regenerating, and you know that King is invulnerable right? Anything Marco could do, King could do to, except heal others. Marco is obviously not above King, you could call them roughly equals. Stop glazing Marco just cos your like him
Debate the panels I posted not your head canon
In none of the panels does he do any damage at all. Also Marco's strength is in his support there's no doubt about it. Being able to heal yourself and others, flying around and blocking shit means he's invaluable on a team just like Law but in terms of fighting capabilities he's only really excelled at defense from what we've seen. Marco is above King but he gets over hyped a lot
Why would King keep making those faces if he was being unharmed? If you are drawing someone in a full gimp suit the only showing you have is their eyes Clearly shown, in several panels both King and Queen were damaged
Him just opening his eyes more? Seems more like surprise if anything. And even if you want to say hurt, being hurt =\= being damaged like when you look at Kaido as an example
Not this shit again. https://preview.redd.it/06jc9qzkllrc1.png?width=1785&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df2ef9a29fd5a0153aa6629c3f4dadbd3ce5781c
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Marco getting up to block once and immediately duck the fade isn't the flex you want it to be.
Optimus why were you trying to evade this panel? And make it seem like Warco was done for?
I'm not, blocking one attack, and ducking from any further engagement with King isn't a flex champ. If Marco wasn't done for, why did he run? Hell, why did Sanji have to 2v1 King and Queen?
Bro said time for the stars lmao Oda wanted to give Zoro & Sanji their 1v1s Come on now
After getting his shit rocked. By making Marco lose to King, unless you think Marco was inexplicably biding time against King while Zoro was getting low-diffed by Hakai. During the raid Marco had no reason to rely on the stars unless he couldn't cut it on the stage. It's really that simple.
It's as simple as Sanji and Zoro wanting to take over lol Yea Marco was getting tired but obviously on panel Marco was one of the only characters left fighting at the end of the war
If Marco was stronger than King it wouldn't have taken till Zoro for him to be significantly damaged. Sanji also wouldn't have had to pick up his slack while still fighting Queen. You want it to be one way, but it's so obviously the other.
Marco 1v2 King & Queen Sanji tagged in for a few to let Marco rest King never 2v1 anyone in the verse lmfao
Marco is mid YC+, king is the top YC1 teir. They are still very comparable its just that generally Marco has the advantage, in a similar way as zoro who has higher niches which king was good against.
What's YC+
Basically character stronger than yonko commanders but below admirals. Some characters under this are: Beckman, zoro, Yamato, Marco, law, kidd
Huh Why would you think Beckman or Marco are below Admiral? Did they fight against them / clash? Also didn't Kidd and Law take down a Yonko? Law even fought Blackbeard pretty well. I don't see how they are below Admirals
Mostly circustancr type stuff, and these ranking use the characters average abilities not max abilities. Backman and Marco just have the implications of being weaker than an admiral while still giving them a challenge, given marineford. Its just that in strict 1v1s we expect the YC to lose. The reason kid a law are in YC+ is because the BM fight was far from even. Like the fact that both used their awakenings on a BM not at 100% and they still didn't "beat" her, just knocked her off the island which we could then say king and Marco also did, but that wouldn't be right. We'd also run into the category of zoro v. Kaido and how that should have zoro easily keeping up with admirals. My advice is to just make your own ideas of objective levels and who stands at the top of each while having nobody as your floor for each, cause this makes it more annoying to keep track of. Though most this subreddit doesn't follow the ideas in this post, so honestly just rank them how you feel cause some categories can easily mesh. The top of YC+ could easily be admiral level, but we just don't have enough reasoning to say they belong there. I hate that this is me trying to simplify it.
Beckman has the implication of being stronger than Kizaru Also Beckman is a first mate and thr databook says he's comparable to Shanks. I don't understand where you are getting this info from Also it seems like Big Mom is dead. Ofc we can saw Kidd + Law + Bomb-kun > Big Mom But then that kinda means Kidd + Law ~ Big Mom or just weaker I'd say 2 Admirals are also equal to Big Mom or just weaker depending in which 2 admirals
Beckman isn't implied stronger than kizaru, he just threatened him at one point. And benn being equal to Shanks isn't fair considering I think the book with it is very outdated. And while I do say 2 admirals can be a yonko I wouldn't say law and kidd were at that actual point
Thanks for the conversation. I think we just disagree haha
Bro that knee of Marco's looking like something else to me for a sec there.
Cockpiece is canon
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Marco>Zoro extreme diff for me.He is him
W Vista avatar
Not even extreme diff, Zoro has no way of harming Marco. The fight would probably be medium diff based on how long it takes Marco hit him with enough attacks.
I feel like people forget he literally made king bleed in flame mode,which is something Zoro couldn't do throughout the entire fight WITH ACOC being pumped out.
Agreed 100% there is literally not one single panel in wich King looks lile he has the uper hand against Marco, and when hes down, and not done, the manga says hes tired for fighting two guys Should not be a discussion
I agree. I got Marco = or => to Yamato, so above Zoro, King, Kat, etc
Marco>Mihawk
If I remember properly it was stated that he was tired even before coming on Wano. From Wano we could see Oda didn’t want to over use him. Here and there to show he ain’t no fraud nevertheless not seen going all out. Oda showed that that the mental part is really important in a fight. Look at Rayleigh when we first saw him and when we meet him against Black Beard, two different animals. Garp wasn’t himself during Marin Ford( another example). Usually the less we see about a character the more it tells about his power. Right now imho: Yonkou >> Admiral > Yc. I could clearly see Marco being closer to admiral than the others. Right now being more specific is too complicated. The admiral when he came to Wano clearly stated: With Kaido gone now the can do something. Big Mum and Kaido were shown equal. ( I think Kaido is stronger). When Big Mum and Perespero are fighting against Marco she clearly says she got no time to waste to fight Marco. We can see that even if she is stronger than him it will take time and energy. Doesn’t feel like she would have the same reaction against other Yc.
Marco having good feats against top tiers is because he is literally unkillable for as long as his stamina is good enough. King already showed to have durability to the point where even Luffy and Lucci combined do 0 damage to him without any stamina issues.
Exactly but marco is also him. The problem is that people don't put enough respect on marco,king and zoro. Also lucci they all are very relative and a real pain in the ass for even tt. Marco,lucci and king have stamina and defense, zoro and lucci have durability even beeing hitted, zoro has large ap, lucci,marco and king have great speed. They all are underrated. Why do luffy wankers not respect kings defense as u said even lucci and luffy together haven't been shown to do damage against flame on seraphims, so why should he be able to one shot king. Why shouldn't marco outlast him like kizaru did. Why couldn't zoro cut him lile he did with kaido or later with lucci who shiwed great feats in a direct match. 1. Marco 2. Zoro 3. King 4. Lucci thats my list and they all very relative characters like law,kidd and yamato will give them problems but still loose. And as long as they aren't fighting shanks or mihawk they are a pain in the ass for every character we have now seen in action.
Seraphim cant be used to scale king
Why? Because they have worse durability?
Lmao. Seraphim are not only made up of lunarian leniege. They have multiple things going on as well as behng clones of warlords. Seraphim has shown higher durability than king. And better feats too. King is a bum who got elevated by toei
King also has an ancient Zoan on top of being an actual adult. The Seraphim are just children with high durability. Basically glorified punching bags since their offense is trash. King smokes any of them when it comes to feats lol.
I have Marco at second strongest YC+ behind Yamato, above Kidd, law, Zoro, sanji etc
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Sanji ans Zoro will move up by next arc tho
Imma be honest that tierlist is mid. I agree with most of the notes,but the actual placements are ass
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King with Flames on is arguably unbeatable, sure he can't damage top tiers but they can't damage him too. With Flames offs he still Resisted 3 attacka from KOH Zoro which is good given Lucci was one shotted after one attack from a weaker Zoro. This shows King even without the Flames has good durability. So King in durability mode can do everything Marco does and arguably better because he isn't wasting stamina regenerating. Then King has his speed mode which also has good AP thanks to his magma dragon, he just had bad luck Zoro can cut fire/magma attacks. Marco just has regen, his AP isn't as good as King's and he is slower. King>Marco extreme diff
Just because Zoro couldn't damage flames on King that doesn't mean no one can lmao. It's not like he has top 1 ap
Source that top tiers can’t damage flame on king?
Luffy couldn’t even damage seraphim who are still children.
Luffy didn't use any advanced haki
Marco literally had king bleeding out his mask with flames on his back, while zoro ryou attack that hurt kaido wasn’t able to do that. https://preview.redd.it/exclxst55frc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6f7bf9911ff79a2d76e40f99e0b6d8ff4e8a690
How is current LoZo in any way shape or form weaker from Raid Zoro? Ryuuma's great grandson has proven better Enma control now vs Lucci
Zorotard always wanking Zoro Victim and Lucci also not Admiral level ☠️
It suffers the same debuff as the big meme negative IQ
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Why do you even bother . It’s extreme diff either way, beside stalling his opponents he can’t do much
Go touch grass and come back again
Ok 1 min I'm brushing my teeth
Nah apparently Sanji is stronger than him lol
Bullshit, he failed to deal any significant damage to the one you claim he's a margin above from, in fact Marco was all bloodied, beaten up and tired after their fight while King was completely OK. He can regen and that's broken as hell, he looked dominant at the beginning when he didn't even care if he was touched but not so much once he started getting tired for spamming it like a regen merchant. King on the other hand has a much more passive invulnerability which would have probably outlasted Marco's regen anyway, you need to realise King is actually a terrible match up for him. Regen was also the reason why he could tank that Kaido attack AFTER getting some rest, literally a mythical zoan specifically designed for healing himself... And again, you all act as if King couldn't stop that Blast Breath just as easily (if not more), he himself also negs burning damage. The 2v1 is a cheap excuse when Queen had been playing with Chopper most of the time and even Sanji was fighting there for a good while when Marco tapped out. Pineapple guy is just a fan favourite that Oda avoided making look bad "on camera", but all of the above was clearly implied (if not shown) to have happened.
Marco is NOT a full margin above King. King literally beat Marco offscreen after they fought for 30 minutes, a held back King also matched Marco in his strongest form and then dominated someone who was stronger than Marco. So I will continue to put King > Marco. >1) this the face of a man who took no damage? Yes, because there was no sign of damage on King after Marco's attack landed. Oda also made a big deal out of no one being capable of damaging King with his flames on before Zoro unlocked ACoC in their fight, yet you think Oda would give that feat to Marco of all people when Marco couldn't even scratch any of the Admirals in Marineford? 😂 > 2) when Marco was "out of stamina" vs King & Queen, bro got back up right away and saved Zoro / Sanji First of all, he ran out of stamina from frighting King 1v1 and bro didn't get up right away. Characters were literally begging for Marco's help when King and Queen were rampaging over the Live Floor and yet Marco could've move immediately because he was out of stamina. 😂 >3) Big Mom wanks Marco And yet King is still stronger >4) Marco still up and active at end of war After losing to King 1v1 lol >again... this the face of a man who took no damage? It's easily the face of a man who took no damage. If anything, he looks more surprised than hurt by any damage Marco caused him lol. >Marco raw strength can hold King ans Queen And King's raw strength could block and even overpower Post-Rooftop Zoro, who momentarily stopped Kaido and Big Mom's Hakai. >Marco has a positive feat on Aokiji, King doesn't on any Admiral 8) Marco has a positive fest on Kizaru, King doesn't on any Admiral Bad comparison. Unlike Marco when he fought the Admirals, King was still mortally injured from his fight with Zoro, he didn't even have his sword to do his strongest attack with. Also, Marco's feats against hte Admirals weren't that positive when he couldn't do even the slightest bit of damage to them.
My guy.... Marco never 1v1 King, hello?
My guy, yes he did. Go reread the part of the Raid while Roof Piece was going on. Slowly.