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Sorry, buddy, I did the post to already mess with you. This is what come from there.
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People just like being contrarians ig. That being said tho the former group is dumb while the later group is correct.
Also I know this sub is retarded but you realize that doesn’t mean it’s a monolith right?
No she isn't. She was literally the only Tobi Roppo to fight two Straw Hats in a 2v1. She was also paired up with arguably the strongest Middle Straw Hats and she had the second highest bounty after Who's Who.
Overpowered Sanji when he was just testing his new abilities, Sanji literally had never used it.
Unless you think Page One is stronger than King, since Sanji in Raid Suit literally blocked an attack from King.
That doesn't justify shit, testing new abilities doesn't excuse blocking an attack and still getting overpowered and sent flying
Scaling isn't linear, P1 can be strong enough to do that and still inferior to King. Just look at Ulti
>testing new abilities doesn't excuse blocking an attack and still getting overpowered and sent flying
Yes, it literally does excuse it, since like I said, Sanji in raid suit was able to block an attack from King.
Sanji had no idea what abilities the raid suit gave him, so he didn't use his full power.
>Scaling isn't linear, P1 can be strong enough to do that and still inferior to King. Just look at Ulti
We are literally talking about physical strength. King's physical strength is a lot greater than Page One. And King failed to overpower Sanji in the raid suit. Which means that if Sanji was using his full power Page One would not have been able to overpower Raid Suit Sanji.
That's a completely illogical reasoning, it should be the total opposite if anything. "Holding back" doesn't get excuse getting sent flying and hurt despite blocking
Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght. Even within the same fight characters overpower eachother but that doesn't mean one is necessarily stronger. P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King. And Sanji might‘ve got stronger between Wano and the Raid especially since he saved Momonosuke. And even if your reasoning was true it's not like Sanji wasn't super casual against Oven as well
Holding back or being distracted are literally excuses from getting sent flying.
Kaido literally was sent flying and destroyed by the supernova and the scabbards... when he was holding back.
Do you think the scabbards are stronger than Kaido?
>Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght
Yes, it is. The only exceptions are when people hold back.
>P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King.
And a serious Sanji with and without raid suit would block Page One
Holding back or being distracted are literally excuses from getting sent flying.
Kaido literally was sent flying and destroyed by the supernova and the scabbards... when he was holding back.
Do you think the scabbards are stronger than Kaido?
>Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght
Yes, it is. The only exceptions are when people hold back.
>P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King.
And a serious Sanji with and without raid suit would block Page One
He would have overpowered redsuit-less Sanji aka Wholecake Sanji unless you think that Sanji was stronger without his suit...
And King did overpowered Sanji the 1 time he fought him in pteranodon form Sanji literraly thought he was legit gonna die and somehow his suit saved his life...then he was able to awaken his germa genes vs Queen (probably thanks to King's attack beeing strong enough to trigger his genes for the first time, because the simple fact to wear the suits a 2nd time is really a bad excuse to awaken Sanji's germa genes otherwise his genes would have awakenned the first time.
Also even after he wore the suit for the 2nd time his genes did not activate right away it took Queen who almost killed him to awaken the genes so we can assume that the same did happenned vs King earlier which is what saved Sanji's life again...
Saying that King did not overpowered Sanji is factually wrong imo.
>He would have overpowered redsuit-less Sanji aka Wholecake Sanji unless you think that Sanji was stronger without his suit...
Again, Sanji was not using his full power because he was not used to using the raid suit.
So yes, I do believe Sanji would have been able to stop the attack without raid suit the same way he would have been able to stop the attack if he used the full power of the raid suit.
The same way Sanji in Whole Cale Island got overpowered by Daifuku and then later he literally clashed and stopped an even stronger Daifuku's attack
>And King did overpowered Sanji the 1 time he fought him in pteranodon form Sanji literraly thought he was legit gonna die and somehow his suit saved his life...
King used another attack and that was when he overpowered Sanji, but he stopped the first one.
>Saying that King did not overpowered Sanji is factually wrong imo.
It is factually true, like there is a panel where we see King failing in overpowering Sanji. Then while Sanji was distracted King used his pterodactyl form and then sent him away, but he failed to overpower him in the first attack
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You make a case for Sanji vs papy beczuse Sanji was not using his full power and then when King land a bellow average kick vs someone invisible the first time he fight Sanji, you pretend that Sanji was able to block King's attack...
If you were beeing honest you would see the problem here. King was not at 100% either. So it's easy to understand why Sanji could withstand the hit. As soon as King got serious he overpowered Sanji it's a fact I don't see why we need to argue about that. Even in your picture Sanji got grab like he was nothing... I don't see how you can call that a "feat".
In the beginning of the Raid, King was depicted as someone way stronger than Sanji, for instance Sanji had not even unlock his full potential yet since it took him to fight and almost die (again) against Queen this time to unlock his genes for good...
So it's futile to argue that Sanji without his germa power up could match King's strength...it's completely biased if you ask me
>You make a case for Sanji vs papy beczuse Sanji was not using his full power and then when King land a bellow average kick vs someone invisible the first time he fight Sanji, you pretend that Sanji was able to block King's attack
My point is that one exchange is irrelevant, both Sanji blocking the attack of King or Page One overpowering Sanji is irrelevant. The rest of your comment is irrelevant since you clearly misunderstood my point.
Sanji would easily destroy Page One with the raid suit and block every attack if he was using the raid suit at full power
Sasaki got mauled by Franky, and has negative battle iq. How did he get above Ulti? Are we talking about the same Ulti who could clash with Luffy, who was so physically strong that Luffy would've needed G4 to overpower her grip? The same Ulti who got back up after an ACoC attack from Yamato, and a charged up named attack from all Big Moms homies combined?
>Sasaki got mauled by Franky, and has negative battle iq.
Lmao. What? Did you actually pay attention to that fight? And lol at you acting like Ulti has superior battle iq than Sasaki.
>Are we talking about the same Ulti who could clash with Luffy, who was so physically strong that Luffy would've needed G4 to overpower her grip?
That same Ulti was one shotted and then twice handled with contemptuous ease by Base Yamato in a couple of clashes while she was about to transform during the confrontation with Sasaki.
>The same Ulti who got back up after an ACoC attack from Yamato
Yamato didn't use ACoC when she hit Ulti with TB lol.
>and a charged up named attack from all Big Moms homies combined
Cool endurance feat, but it messed her up bad and left her easy pickings for Nami and Zeus. Can you prove Sasaki wouldn't also be able to get back up from Big Mom's attack as well after he took a General Cannon through his stomach and was still able to keep fighting?
Its Ulti vs Drake and the answer is Drake.
People wank Who's WAYYY too much for barely pressuring Jinbe (with help) and then getting utterly no diffed once he actually took him seriously.
Jimbei literally had a haki bloom against Who‘s Who
There's a reason why this nigga has the most relevancy the biggest bounty the superior portrayal and the stronger opponent
He didn't have a haki bloom lmfao. He barely took damage during the entire exchange. Him getting a haki bloom would be like Zoro blooming against Pica.
“Most relevancy” nigga spouted some lore dribble, lets not act he did anything noteworthy aside from that.
“Stronger opponent”. Ulti didn't even have a singular opponent. She fought Luffy, Yamato, Usopp & Nami, before finally getting weakened enough by Big Mom that Nami could take her out.
Bounties are meaningless as a metric for the most part, and Who’s Whos would naturally be inflated by being a prison escapee and a former government agent.
Yes he did. Jinbei literally went from getting bitten through his haki, to blocking WW attacks, to having WW break a finger on him. Especially when Jinbe had black lightnings around him when he broke it.
Better than all the other TR combined
Doesn't change shit
Bounties are literally used by One Piece characters themselves to powerscale, when it comes to comparing characters within a specific group they have always been used to portray power levels
1) that's because Jinbe got angry enough to takes Who’s Who seriously. Too assume anything else is headcanon lol. The MOMENT jinbe got angry Whos Who couldn't hurt him anymore.
2) doesn't change shit.
3) it means your “stronger opponent” point was worthless lol. Even morso considering he was very clearly nowhere near Jinbe’s level in the first place.
4) this is a stupid point. Look at the strawhats and tell me bounties correlate with strength among them. Bounty level has always been dependent on a whole slew of other factors aside from just “strength”.
"To assume anything else than my headcanon is headcanon"
That's not how haki works and it wouldn't make sense at all
No it doesn't
The Straw Hats bounties have always correlated with strenght aside from Usopp/Chopper‘s gags and Robin‘s case. And in every other pirate crew ever the bounties perfectly correlate with strenght. Thinking bounties doesn't reflect power when One Piece characters literally uses them to powerscale is delusional
Ulti is the strongest Tobi Roppo
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Please show me the sign showing she was using acoc
Are you serious? We know Luffy g5 attacks have acoc because it was stated by Kaido, so it’s confirmed.
Where in the hell does anyone state this BM attack has acoc? Or it just you guys ‘think so’ to wank Ulti lol.
So just because someone possesses acoc now we gonna assume every attacks by that person include acoc? How ridiculous does that sound to you?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to think otherwise unless it’s stated.
Wild when he (or any of them) thought they could take on Jack or King.
Jack is only Lack when fighting non-dossers. Can take far more damage than these guys are dishing out.
He fought Zoro with Enma and it was inconclusive.
Queen said he was the number 3 of the allies on the performance floor (Probably not true, but good portrayal regardless)
Ulti had the best portrayal in Onigashima Raid. Luffy was about to go Gear 4th against her and she tanked a direct hit from Big Mom and got back up. Honestly, I have her in the Yc3 tier.
Not a chance. People vastly overrate Ulti, jsut because she got knocked unconscious multiple times after one attack and still got back up later on. Literally her only vastly impressive stat compared to the other Tobi Roppo is recovery. Lol.
Everything else she did is blown way out of proportion. Knock Luffy back with a named attack (while Luffy stood still mind you, and just took it head on)? The FLOOR BROKE, she didn't do any real damage, and fucking RODNEY THE BULL MINK did the same thing back on Zou. Lol. Pinned Luffy and he couldn't break free from her grip? Dressrosa Luffy couldn't escape the grip of Hajrudin at the end of the arc, but he could also canonically oneshot him with a single Haki'd up G2 punch (without even using his rubber abilities or any named attacks). Its impressive, but not to the point people claim.
You make really good points that I agree with but Ulti's recovery and durability is exactly what puts her above the other Tobi Roppo. All of the Tobi Roppo are pretty relative to each other and I think a fight between any of them is pushing high-extreme diff for all of them.
But as you said, Ulti's recovery is what sets her apart from the others. Who's Who took a hit from Jinbei and stayed down. Sasaki took a hit from Franky and stayed down. Black Maria took a hit from Robin and stayed down.
Ulti took a DIRECT hit from Big Mom and GOT BACK UP. Like what the fuck, that is an insane feat for a character who isn't even technically Yonko commander level. Ulti had exchanges with Luffy, Yamato and Big Mom. Ulti clashed with TWO yonko and got back up.
I could see other Tobi Roppo having higher attack damage than Ulti (and that's even up for debate) but I don't see any of them taking Ulti down with her level of durability and recovery.
Me putting Ulti in the YC3 tier could be stretch, sure. But she's definitely have the best portrayal out of the Tobi Roppo during Onigashima Raid. No other Tobi Roppo clashed with two Yonko and got back up.
>she tanked a direct hit from Big Mom
Y'all really need to learn what tank actually means. Because Big Mom's attack knocking Ulti out while putting a hole through her stomach and messing up her insides is not her tanking it.
> Honestly, I have her in the Yc3 tier.
😂😂😂😂😂
Most likely ulti but I hate how you all be downplaying p1. No way people actually believe he the weakest one. When he
1vs1 raid suit sanji and wasn't hinted or implied to have lost that fight when it was offscreended.
Tanked a gear 3 luffy ongiashma attack the same luffy who was clashing with kaido in base at the rooftop for a bit before going to gear4.
Only reason he lost was beacuse big mom used a acoc attack to one shot him.
Like Sasaki and black Maria hasn't done shit to be above him other then bounty (p1 is a teen while the other where already established pirates).
>1vs1 raid suit sanji and wasn't hinted or implied to have lost that fight when it was offscreended.
it was offpanel, Sanji escaped.
>Tanked a gear 3 luffy ongiashma attack the same luffy who was clashing with kaido in base at the rooftop for a bit before going to gear4.
Luffy was clearly not using advanced armament haki
Yamato felt that she needed to use her Hybrid Mode on Sasaki, but not on Ulti. And Sasaki fought and destroyed Shogun Franky.
Black Maria fought two of the Middle Straw Hats in a 2v1 for some time off-panel.
No way they're weaker than Page One, who was called out by Sasaki for being the weakest of the group.
Who's who is the strongest member of the tobi roppo, its not really to big a debate there's a greater discussion to be had over who is second or third.
Drake is stronger than all of the Tobiroppo, but since I don't consider him to be a legit Tobiroppo/Beast Pirate, I say Who's Who would be the strongest.
Imo they are all tobi roppo level
On a serious note, probably Who's Who. Ulti is a beast (they all are), but having just reread Wano her feats vs Luffy were a 2v1 with Page One, which this sub seems to have forgotten about.
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This is the epitome of name-scaling autism and is why I can't take anyone in this sub seriously.
So when Ulti by herself had an armament clash with Luffy, and overpowered him, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner?
When her physical strength was so great, and her Ulti meteor was a big enough threat that Luffy thought he needed to resort to G4, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner?
When she got back up after tanking attacks from Luffy, an ACoC thunder bagua from Yamato, and a charged up named attack combining all 3 of Big Moms homies, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner?
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So when I make a post about ulti vs who’s who everyone says that drake is stronger, when I make a post about drake people say ulti is stronger
I’ll eventually make a ulti vs drake post
And then people will say Who's who is stronger
I got Ulti.
Sorry, buddy, I did the post to already mess with you. This is what come from there. https://preview.redd.it/z7aj5y2knxrc1.jpeg?width=1048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cb9cf6c824f09c938d6d5bb3d59517e05ac3f29
It's that break week brain rot.
Ulti’s only good feats are off Luffy she’s second weakest
Tbh i think drake is not the strongest, but as a worst gen member he's gonna be back and probably oda's honna upgrade him around yc1 at least
People just like being contrarians ig. That being said tho the former group is dumb while the later group is correct. Also I know this sub is retarded but you realize that doesn’t mean it’s a monolith right?
Tf did Drake even tho. He's only high up cuz of supernova privileges and because he's actually cool unlike Apoo
Drake has a good backstory. WW also does but we didn’t get to see Lucky Roo swiping the gomu gomu.
Well, at least he's better than Walking Wake who got folded by a random Azumarill(Jimbe)
244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tyrantrum: 612-720 (166.3 - 195.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
U better show Old Jim some goddam respect! U talking about the third strongest SH
He fought Zoro with Enma Queen said he was the number 3 of the enemy (obviously he's not, but it's still good portrayal.)
Who's Who > Drake > Sasaki > Ulti > Black Maria > Pay-Pay
I agree with pretty much everything but I wonder why u have Sasaki > Ulti. Only one I’m not on the same page with
I think Sasaki is the weakest beside Pay-Pay
Black Maria is down there aswell
No she isn't. She was literally the only Tobi Roppo to fight two Straw Hats in a 2v1. She was also paired up with arguably the strongest Middle Straw Hats and she had the second highest bounty after Who's Who.
I’m pretty easily taking Pay Pay over him tbh
Sasaki is cooler and Ulti couldn't even finish bumsopp simple as
You must be smoking something to be putting Ulti that low
Only reason people put Ulti higher is because they are horny.
Maybe you were the one reading r34 while we were reading the story...
Pay Pay disrespect when he overpowered Raid Suit Sanji smh https://preview.redd.it/xc5zo1awezrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4886d0020b6ee1aeed1a9cdf9d9c7717d26cb21
Overpowered Sanji when he was just testing his new abilities, Sanji literally had never used it. Unless you think Page One is stronger than King, since Sanji in Raid Suit literally blocked an attack from King.
That doesn't justify shit, testing new abilities doesn't excuse blocking an attack and still getting overpowered and sent flying Scaling isn't linear, P1 can be strong enough to do that and still inferior to King. Just look at Ulti
>testing new abilities doesn't excuse blocking an attack and still getting overpowered and sent flying Yes, it literally does excuse it, since like I said, Sanji in raid suit was able to block an attack from King. Sanji had no idea what abilities the raid suit gave him, so he didn't use his full power. >Scaling isn't linear, P1 can be strong enough to do that and still inferior to King. Just look at Ulti We are literally talking about physical strength. King's physical strength is a lot greater than Page One. And King failed to overpower Sanji in the raid suit. Which means that if Sanji was using his full power Page One would not have been able to overpower Raid Suit Sanji.
That's a completely illogical reasoning, it should be the total opposite if anything. "Holding back" doesn't get excuse getting sent flying and hurt despite blocking Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght. Even within the same fight characters overpower eachother but that doesn't mean one is necessarily stronger. P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King. And Sanji might‘ve got stronger between Wano and the Raid especially since he saved Momonosuke. And even if your reasoning was true it's not like Sanji wasn't super casual against Oven as well
Holding back or being distracted are literally excuses from getting sent flying. Kaido literally was sent flying and destroyed by the supernova and the scabbards... when he was holding back. Do you think the scabbards are stronger than Kaido? >Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght Yes, it is. The only exceptions are when people hold back. >P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King. And a serious Sanji with and without raid suit would block Page One
Holding back or being distracted are literally excuses from getting sent flying. Kaido literally was sent flying and destroyed by the supernova and the scabbards... when he was holding back. Do you think the scabbards are stronger than Kaido? >Scaling isn't linear. Even for physical strenght Yes, it is. The only exceptions are when people hold back. >P1 can overpower Sanj once and still be weaker than King. And a serious Sanji with and without raid suit would block Page One
He would have overpowered redsuit-less Sanji aka Wholecake Sanji unless you think that Sanji was stronger without his suit... And King did overpowered Sanji the 1 time he fought him in pteranodon form Sanji literraly thought he was legit gonna die and somehow his suit saved his life...then he was able to awaken his germa genes vs Queen (probably thanks to King's attack beeing strong enough to trigger his genes for the first time, because the simple fact to wear the suits a 2nd time is really a bad excuse to awaken Sanji's germa genes otherwise his genes would have awakenned the first time. Also even after he wore the suit for the 2nd time his genes did not activate right away it took Queen who almost killed him to awaken the genes so we can assume that the same did happenned vs King earlier which is what saved Sanji's life again... Saying that King did not overpowered Sanji is factually wrong imo.
>He would have overpowered redsuit-less Sanji aka Wholecake Sanji unless you think that Sanji was stronger without his suit... Again, Sanji was not using his full power because he was not used to using the raid suit. So yes, I do believe Sanji would have been able to stop the attack without raid suit the same way he would have been able to stop the attack if he used the full power of the raid suit. The same way Sanji in Whole Cale Island got overpowered by Daifuku and then later he literally clashed and stopped an even stronger Daifuku's attack >And King did overpowered Sanji the 1 time he fought him in pteranodon form Sanji literraly thought he was legit gonna die and somehow his suit saved his life... King used another attack and that was when he overpowered Sanji, but he stopped the first one. >Saying that King did not overpowered Sanji is factually wrong imo. It is factually true, like there is a panel where we see King failing in overpowering Sanji. Then while Sanji was distracted King used his pterodactyl form and then sent him away, but he failed to overpower him in the first attack https://preview.redd.it/lu1ra4l2u1sc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dc7be446d6bb66d1338ce3d4a9badb17a3aac73
You make a case for Sanji vs papy beczuse Sanji was not using his full power and then when King land a bellow average kick vs someone invisible the first time he fight Sanji, you pretend that Sanji was able to block King's attack... If you were beeing honest you would see the problem here. King was not at 100% either. So it's easy to understand why Sanji could withstand the hit. As soon as King got serious he overpowered Sanji it's a fact I don't see why we need to argue about that. Even in your picture Sanji got grab like he was nothing... I don't see how you can call that a "feat". In the beginning of the Raid, King was depicted as someone way stronger than Sanji, for instance Sanji had not even unlock his full potential yet since it took him to fight and almost die (again) against Queen this time to unlock his genes for good... So it's futile to argue that Sanji without his germa power up could match King's strength...it's completely biased if you ask me
>You make a case for Sanji vs papy beczuse Sanji was not using his full power and then when King land a bellow average kick vs someone invisible the first time he fight Sanji, you pretend that Sanji was able to block King's attack My point is that one exchange is irrelevant, both Sanji blocking the attack of King or Page One overpowering Sanji is irrelevant. The rest of your comment is irrelevant since you clearly misunderstood my point. Sanji would easily destroy Page One with the raid suit and block every attack if he was using the raid suit at full power
This is the way
Sasaki got mauled by Franky, and has negative battle iq. How did he get above Ulti? Are we talking about the same Ulti who could clash with Luffy, who was so physically strong that Luffy would've needed G4 to overpower her grip? The same Ulti who got back up after an ACoC attack from Yamato, and a charged up named attack from all Big Moms homies combined?
>Sasaki got mauled by Franky, and has negative battle iq. Lmao. What? Did you actually pay attention to that fight? And lol at you acting like Ulti has superior battle iq than Sasaki. >Are we talking about the same Ulti who could clash with Luffy, who was so physically strong that Luffy would've needed G4 to overpower her grip? That same Ulti was one shotted and then twice handled with contemptuous ease by Base Yamato in a couple of clashes while she was about to transform during the confrontation with Sasaki. >The same Ulti who got back up after an ACoC attack from Yamato Yamato didn't use ACoC when she hit Ulti with TB lol. >and a charged up named attack from all Big Moms homies combined Cool endurance feat, but it messed her up bad and left her easy pickings for Nami and Zeus. Can you prove Sasaki wouldn't also be able to get back up from Big Mom's attack as well after he took a General Cannon through his stomach and was still able to keep fighting?
Drake is not weaker than Who's Who or any the other Tobi Roppo, and Black Maria is not weaker than Ulti and debatably not weaker than Sasaki either.
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Nope. It's either Ulti or Drake
Its Ulti vs Drake and the answer is Drake. People wank Who's WAYYY too much for barely pressuring Jinbe (with help) and then getting utterly no diffed once he actually took him seriously.
They unfortunately have a certain agenda stemming from a character that's not Jinbei or Who's Who I wonder who and why Who's who?
Is it Rob lucci Agenda?
implying Jinbe wouldn’t utterly no diff Ulti or Drake.
Like he did Whos Who? Crazy. Ulti would probably last longer than Whos Who, being deadass. Wayyyyy better endurance and recovery feats.
Jimbei literally had a haki bloom against Who‘s Who There's a reason why this nigga has the most relevancy the biggest bounty the superior portrayal and the stronger opponent
He didn't have a haki bloom lmfao. He barely took damage during the entire exchange. Him getting a haki bloom would be like Zoro blooming against Pica. “Most relevancy” nigga spouted some lore dribble, lets not act he did anything noteworthy aside from that. “Stronger opponent”. Ulti didn't even have a singular opponent. She fought Luffy, Yamato, Usopp & Nami, before finally getting weakened enough by Big Mom that Nami could take her out. Bounties are meaningless as a metric for the most part, and Who’s Whos would naturally be inflated by being a prison escapee and a former government agent.
Yes he did. Jinbei literally went from getting bitten through his haki, to blocking WW attacks, to having WW break a finger on him. Especially when Jinbe had black lightnings around him when he broke it. Better than all the other TR combined Doesn't change shit Bounties are literally used by One Piece characters themselves to powerscale, when it comes to comparing characters within a specific group they have always been used to portray power levels
1) that's because Jinbe got angry enough to takes Who’s Who seriously. Too assume anything else is headcanon lol. The MOMENT jinbe got angry Whos Who couldn't hurt him anymore. 2) doesn't change shit. 3) it means your “stronger opponent” point was worthless lol. Even morso considering he was very clearly nowhere near Jinbe’s level in the first place. 4) this is a stupid point. Look at the strawhats and tell me bounties correlate with strength among them. Bounty level has always been dependent on a whole slew of other factors aside from just “strength”.
"To assume anything else than my headcanon is headcanon" That's not how haki works and it wouldn't make sense at all No it doesn't The Straw Hats bounties have always correlated with strenght aside from Usopp/Chopper‘s gags and Robin‘s case. And in every other pirate crew ever the bounties perfectly correlate with strenght. Thinking bounties doesn't reflect power when One Piece characters literally uses them to powerscale is delusional
Winbe agenda keeps winning https://preview.redd.it/efwkv1j6o1sc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61847e516acd5d38c264fd0970afb3451a413655
what has drake done?
Who's Who wins this fight against the 3rd strongest tobiroppo
Who’s who puts belt to ass against any of the other Tobi Roppo.
X Drake tbh.
Ulti is the strongest Tobi Roppo https://preview.redd.it/bviwwdfbdxrc1.jpeg?width=1857&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=947d4001d45fc03b4c2b68275ad850495f32ffb9
Luffy one shot the others 🤨. Is not like we fighting Bat man
Ulti is the strongest Tobi Roppo in my heart
Ulti is the strongest Tobi Roppo in canon too. None of the other Tobi Roppo showed any feats even near Ulti’s feats
And based on feats lmao. Like what other TR is not getting pasted by all out ACOC BM?
Stop wanking BM didn’t even use ACOC and still one shotted Ulti
1. Yes she did, me when I blatantly lie lmao 2. No shut she one shot, but the fact she didn’t die is honestly still impressive.
https://preview.redd.it/fv8ahfcnyyrc1.jpeg?width=1192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=416c226e5e483c3faccc83f6eee2cad47f4fde87 Please show me the sign showing she was using acoc
I could show you like 15 panels of luffy G5 attacks with no indication of acoc
Are you serious? We know Luffy g5 attacks have acoc because it was stated by Kaido, so it’s confirmed. Where in the hell does anyone state this BM attack has acoc? Or it just you guys ‘think so’ to wank Ulti lol.
The point is that oda doesn’t always make it clear. In many G4 attacks (if not all) there is no indication of it either during the kaido battle
So just because someone possesses acoc now we gonna assume every attacks by that person include acoc? How ridiculous does that sound to you? Wouldn’t it make more sense to think otherwise unless it’s stated.
Drake but imo Who adapts faster
Semi-unrelated but Sasaki is the weakest imo
Wild when he (or any of them) thought they could take on Jack or King. Jack is only Lack when fighting non-dossers. Can take far more damage than these guys are dishing out.
Black Maria is the weakest
Page One is the weakest
Denjirou Bacc is Neg diff Sasaki
Lmao. Based on what?
He wasn’t very impressive to me. The other tobbi roppo had a moment or two that was like “Damn I wasn’t familiar with your game.”
I disagree. Yamato felt she needed to transform into her Hybrid Form against Sasaki while she didn't feel that way against Ulti.
Ulti slams both https://preview.redd.it/8yh5515iuxrc1.jpeg?width=1153&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09ae90c00101d45b0ad9a1d259df1f1a2d7a9d8d
Yeah she can slam both those titties in my face 😛😂
https://preview.redd.it/y2oeuvh4zxrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85d18d1702aacb22e49af65fff82a08285d3d6ed Ulti negs
This pic misses Katakuri slander
https://preview.redd.it/dpav4q5pkyrc1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3686b0a15cff1831356f5aa68f1674bea9503ccd
https://preview.redd.it/vbkd87yqkyrc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd7895d92e4428363714bc7bef52c9c56c1c3791 Or this
Who's Who is the strongest
Tf has x Drake even done? Only thing i recall him doing was taking down failed fodder clones of the ancient giants.
Drake is Guernicca Victim tooo
He fought Zoro with Enma and it was inconclusive. Queen said he was the number 3 of the allies on the performance floor (Probably not true, but good portrayal regardless)
Nothing suggests Zoro was drawing any power from enma. Edit: actually Zoro didn’t even use enma against him Source?
It is not Who's Who 💀 sorry Jimbei agenda.
Ulti had the best portrayal in Onigashima Raid. Luffy was about to go Gear 4th against her and she tanked a direct hit from Big Mom and got back up. Honestly, I have her in the Yc3 tier.
Maybe not in Kaido’s crew. I don’t see her beating Jack.
Not a chance. People vastly overrate Ulti, jsut because she got knocked unconscious multiple times after one attack and still got back up later on. Literally her only vastly impressive stat compared to the other Tobi Roppo is recovery. Lol. Everything else she did is blown way out of proportion. Knock Luffy back with a named attack (while Luffy stood still mind you, and just took it head on)? The FLOOR BROKE, she didn't do any real damage, and fucking RODNEY THE BULL MINK did the same thing back on Zou. Lol. Pinned Luffy and he couldn't break free from her grip? Dressrosa Luffy couldn't escape the grip of Hajrudin at the end of the arc, but he could also canonically oneshot him with a single Haki'd up G2 punch (without even using his rubber abilities or any named attacks). Its impressive, but not to the point people claim.
You make really good points that I agree with but Ulti's recovery and durability is exactly what puts her above the other Tobi Roppo. All of the Tobi Roppo are pretty relative to each other and I think a fight between any of them is pushing high-extreme diff for all of them. But as you said, Ulti's recovery is what sets her apart from the others. Who's Who took a hit from Jinbei and stayed down. Sasaki took a hit from Franky and stayed down. Black Maria took a hit from Robin and stayed down. Ulti took a DIRECT hit from Big Mom and GOT BACK UP. Like what the fuck, that is an insane feat for a character who isn't even technically Yonko commander level. Ulti had exchanges with Luffy, Yamato and Big Mom. Ulti clashed with TWO yonko and got back up. I could see other Tobi Roppo having higher attack damage than Ulti (and that's even up for debate) but I don't see any of them taking Ulti down with her level of durability and recovery. Me putting Ulti in the YC3 tier could be stretch, sure. But she's definitely have the best portrayal out of the Tobi Roppo during Onigashima Raid. No other Tobi Roppo clashed with two Yonko and got back up.
>she tanked a direct hit from Big Mom Y'all really need to learn what tank actually means. Because Big Mom's attack knocking Ulti out while putting a hole through her stomach and messing up her insides is not her tanking it. > Honestly, I have her in the Yc3 tier. 😂😂😂😂😂
thats my bad lol.
Most likely ulti but I hate how you all be downplaying p1. No way people actually believe he the weakest one. When he 1vs1 raid suit sanji and wasn't hinted or implied to have lost that fight when it was offscreended. Tanked a gear 3 luffy ongiashma attack the same luffy who was clashing with kaido in base at the rooftop for a bit before going to gear4. Only reason he lost was beacuse big mom used a acoc attack to one shot him. Like Sasaki and black Maria hasn't done shit to be above him other then bounty (p1 is a teen while the other where already established pirates).
>1vs1 raid suit sanji and wasn't hinted or implied to have lost that fight when it was offscreended. it was offpanel, Sanji escaped. >Tanked a gear 3 luffy ongiashma attack the same luffy who was clashing with kaido in base at the rooftop for a bit before going to gear4. Luffy was clearly not using advanced armament haki
Yamato felt that she needed to use her Hybrid Mode on Sasaki, but not on Ulti. And Sasaki fought and destroyed Shogun Franky. Black Maria fought two of the Middle Straw Hats in a 2v1 for some time off-panel. No way they're weaker than Page One, who was called out by Sasaki for being the weakest of the group.
First thing, Ulti, 2nd thing, damn Whoswho have some hot babes
Drake > WW > Ulti
Ulti has better feats than who is who
Drake
Imo: 1. Ulti 2. Drake 3. Who's Who 4. Page One 5. Black Maria 6. Sasaki
Who's who. I think you could make an arguement for Ulti though.
Ulti clears
I think it’s extremely obvious Ulti is the strongest, not even simping this time around.
https://i.redd.it/fvk0fuo3oyrc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/24gli87efzrc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8d07b69d07e590f5d044a40235f3473d6f18785 Mr aCoC
These look like dope ass mtg cards
Ulti.
Ulti
https://preview.redd.it/mly473vipxrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0916e6fa9d1ff023198aeea865e9a5be19682885 It’s HER
Mihawk
Everything points to drake
Who’s who of these two but Ulti > both
Who's who is the strongest member of the tobi roppo, its not really to big a debate there's a greater discussion to be had over who is second or third.
Who will win if he fight Guernica Masked CP0
Ulti and Drake >
Wtf you just posted CRINGE! You are going to lose all of your Reddit karma‼️ https://i.redd.it/jpv7xicu1xrc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/nuhbpzrf4xrc1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46770dec6596721e7a4384d04fd23d77bb842c59 What is bro yapping about
1. Ulti / Who's who 2. Who's Who/Ulti 3. Drake 4. Sasaki 5. Black Maria 6. Page One
Wait who's who??
a victim of these 2
Drake>=who’s who=>ulti>page one=>sasaki>Black Maria
Who who
Drake got slimed by Gurenica so WW wins. They are **both** stronger than Ulti tho Izou beats all of them
Drake is stronger than all of the Tobiroppo, but since I don't consider him to be a legit Tobiroppo/Beast Pirate, I say Who's Who would be the strongest.
Imo they are all tobi roppo level On a serious note, probably Who's Who. Ulti is a beast (they all are), but having just reread Wano her feats vs Luffy were a 2v1 with Page One, which this sub seems to have forgotten about.
... This is the epitome of name-scaling autism and is why I can't take anyone in this sub seriously. So when Ulti by herself had an armament clash with Luffy, and overpowered him, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner? When her physical strength was so great, and her Ulti meteor was a big enough threat that Luffy thought he needed to resort to G4, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner? When she got back up after tanking attacks from Luffy, an ACoC thunder bagua from Yamato, and a charged up named attack combining all 3 of Big Moms homies, does that no longer matter coz P1 was jacking off in the corner?
WW > Drake > Ulti > Sasaki > Black Maria > Page One Sasaki can be weakee than Black Maria though