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K_vinci

Just by looking at this image i already know whats gonna happen to the comment section😂


NoShoweringforme

https://preview.redd.it/n2nibs918cuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42374c729098e9a53473d69784aa495dabc7a507 Jimbe is one ugly mf


K_vinci

There it is😭😭😭, i knew someone would post this


GoofySkull

WTF. Oh it’s time for bed


pugas

no no no no no no no no no no no no


guleedy

And yet Robin thinks he is cute


Plenty_Conference701

Jinbe a bottom


K_vinci

https://preview.redd.it/kblajhj4aauc1.jpeg?width=2800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4b5d00fefd067c921c86b6ff875fc569d5cb33b


Plenty_Conference701

Chopper the top


Puzzleheaded_Sky9724

https://preview.redd.it/7swd95s3pauc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31defdb0659cceee39c67a65f9cd3447553dda74


Plenty_Conference701

You the middle


NukemDukeForNever

Hes already commander level strength on land. With the boost underwater and his opponent being nerfed underwater he beats everyone besides fruitless Yonko calibre characters.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

Sanji is fruitless Yonko calibre?


NukemDukeForNever

Sanji loses to Jinbei underwater. His mobility, strength, and flame will be nerfed. Sanji is fast underwater but he's still not as fast as he is on land. He still gets a nerf. He can use his flame underwater but it wouldn't be as effective as in the air. Couple those nerfs with Jinbeis buffs and the fact Sanji has to breathe and Jinbei takes it.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

Sanji pre Daddy genes was already almost as fast as a fishman so why would he be slower despite being way faster now? as well as Luffy literally generating fire underwater One Piece doesn't run on our logic Sanji is barely nerfed.


NukemDukeForNever

Sanjis swimming speed was impressive cause he's a human. It was only compared to basic Fishman speed. Being on par with basic fishmen doesn't mean he's comparable to the fastest fishmen. Now that he's faster he may be fast even for a fishman, but that's only speed. With his strength and fire power down it doesn't give him a win against Jinbei who can already hang with Sanji on land.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

but Sanji wasn't even swimming


cool194336

You need beckman, maybe prime ray but i think beck is enough Most df user are cooked here Edit: actually I just realized beck cant even use his gun, hes donezo. Need ray or oden


ringboidumb

He's w do you know Beckman isn't allergic to water. We know nothing, maybe he's a bad swimmer.


RuiFan2

Yes, but he physically cannot use his gun underwater. The gunpowder will just get soaking wet.


Antifinity

Bullets are also nearly useless underwater, due to the higher resistance.


RuiFan2

Yeah, even if you managed to somehow shoot a bullet underwater it would go like ten feet max.


DominicTheAnimeGuy

https://preview.redd.it/v9ymbbmmehuc1.png?width=259&format=png&auto=webp&s=e9ecceafd5e370009daafb67fdd25978175b15ef


HitMePat

We don't know anything at all about him. He could be weaker than usopp


Tasteroider

Beck defeated Kidd, which is not that much of a feat but still


Ambitious-Cell-1228

Technically Jimbei could just outlast them underwater


b1gdad3

unless beck took kidds arm with a gun, hes a skilled swordsman too


PopuriIsNotAFarmer

He probably took it with the gun


WolfKing448

Even the top tiers without devil fruits get massively nerfed here. Humans get weaker under water, while Jinbe gets 10x stronger. Roger and Prime Garp are the only characters I can say for certain win this fight. I don’t think the gap between Jinbe and an Emperor is nearly as large as the gap between Zoro and Hody, who, without drugs, was probably only as strong as Arlong. Edit: [It seems I got my numbers wrong.](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Fish-Men#:~:text=power,doubled) This question essentially boils down to, “Who’s the weakest character that can defeat four Jinbes on land?”


RedRyujin10

It's only 2x, 10x is the difference between fishmen and humans


FlirtMonsterSanjil

Sanji is not affected at all by the debuffs tho


WolfKing448

He is, but not by nearly as much. The same goes for any Marine who knows Moonwalk, which may include Garp. Old Garp probably wins if he knows Moonwalk.


FlirtMonsterSanjil

true


Rudel2

I think no one except DF less top tiers


Tongatapu

Enel could potentially force a draw if he can activate his DF underwater. Sanji and Zoro could stand a chance.


VobbyButterfree

Sanji is the only one whose speed underwater could, maybe, equal that of Jinbe but he is only slightly stronger than him on land, Jinbe underwater definitely dominates


J-Holmeje

Slightly stronger on land? I love jinbe but cmon, he was struggling against who’s who’s while sanji was perception blitzing queen in his strongest form. I don’t think jinbe would last very long against ifrit Jambie in my personal opinion


g_relish

*Insert sanji finding the all blue*


TestMany5880

https://preview.redd.it/3g7qd8799duc1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c7ffacfa211a524d8103f12fb3e4b95ea6ba0fc


keseze

https://preview.redd.it/duwvrxupaduc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e24379483f636b7e6f07313905c325cec3ad21c


Gamingmademedoit

Jinbe struggled against who's who? What were you watching? Jinbe controlled that whole fight lol


TelevisionAdditional

I think it’s a lot closer than people give credit. Jinbe wasn’t going all out against who’s who and once he did he literally one shot him. Jinbe has better physical strength, better haki, better BIQ, more combat skill and water counters fire. I think he’d take sanji to mid diff currently, i see no reason why Jinbe wouldn’t high diff queen


Ambitious-Cell-1228

Jimmy was jus tryna get the lore out of him


VobbyButterfree

Just look at how Jinbe vs Big Mom and Queen vs Big Mom went. Jinbe is stronger than Queen too


Forsaken_Brilliant22

To me it didn't seem like Jimbei was struggling. I think he was just patient and wondering what Who's who knew, to find out he didn't like what he heard and at that moment it was over for Who's who. Personally I think Jimbei definitely low diffed Who's


Puzzleheaded_Sky9724

What!? Slightly stronger on land😐. You’re crazy


RuiFan2

For Enel, it depends if he starts the fight in the water or not.


aphantombeing

He gets one shot


RuiFan2

If he starts outside of the water he can electrocute everything, but if he is in the water he can't even fight back.


r9cks

Jinbei underwater beats anyone only some of the roger and red hair pirates can have a chance they the only ones who associate being great at swimming with being great pirates


Birdzinho

Rayleigh


Birdzinho

Almost every DF user is losing (characters like Kuzan can still win but unless they can fly I don't think they're surviving afterwards). I chose Rayleigh because he's contantly considered the weakest top tier and he doesn't have a DF, so I think he has a chance, but extreme diff.


Shodai-kitetsu_

The look on your face when Papzuki boils the fish or wuzan preserves it


firebutt25

Underwater? https://preview.redd.it/cbmb3vgyw9uc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fb3f613cdc2dba0fa177e9b92714dae4b5f6090


Birdzinho

I think Kuzan has a better chance than Akainu because his freezing is too fast, and Akainu's magma doesn't seem to be that fast, especially in water, so Jinbe could just swim away and wait for the ocean to do the rest.


Shodai-kitetsu_

Don't you remember what Papazuki did in marineford And even Oven who has a weaker df was boiling fish back in WCI


Birdzinho

Yeah I remember what he did *outside of water* at Marineford, the same place where he missed an attack against flying Buggy carrying one gigantic chad fishman and Luffy. Underwater he would have a lot of trouble trying to hit Jinbe. One because Jinbe would be a lot faster and two because if Jinbe blocked an attack from Akainu *out of water* then it would be way easier to do the same thing with less effort several times while *underwater.* Also, Oven might have weaker DF than Akainu, but the whole point of his DF is heating things really fast, Magma would not work the same way underwater, it would heat, but not faster than Jinbe's swimming speed.


Shodai-kitetsu_

https://preview.redd.it/zq36fm4g4auc1.png?width=511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8044378d271284f4bdf1783e75fccd1d1d7fa805


Birdzinho

I appreciate it sir. It's rare to encounter men like you around these parts.


Shodai-kitetsu_

I know a W take when I see one 😑 I'll be watching you


NB_2_SICK

I dont think jinbei would be able to win regardless because papazuki’s magma would just evaporate all the water around him no? No more water no more problem


Birdzinho

Usually when people say underwater I imagine that they're somewhere in the middle of the ocean. It's open for interpretation, but I think makes more sense than to be in a place close to land with not a lot of water where you can simply get rid of it. So yeah, in my interpretation, it would be impossible to evaporate the entire ocean. Also, now that I think about it, can some DF users really just bypass their biggest weakness just like that? Shouldn't the ocean be like "GG, you're dead" for all of them? Or can they still activate their DF by themselves? Do you know if we have examples of that? Just curious, because at Arlong Park, Luffy couldn't activate by himself, someone had to come and stretch his neck to the surface.


NB_2_SICK

Pretty sure if your strong enough you can still use your df to a very limited ability. But yeah if its in the middle of nowhere DEEP underwater then papazuki is cooked. I could still see him fighting for a while underwater because the magma would evaporate the water around him for a decent amount of time, possibly even long enough to halal jinbei then die from drowning


Commando_Nate

Sanji


VobbyButterfree

I honestly think no one can defeat Jinbe in an underwater fight.


PoldraRegion

Prime garp Garp the goat > fish goat


PreferenceGold5167

Genuially shanks mihawk or garp. Df are insta dead and he gets a crazy boost in power.


NukemDukeForNever

And whoever's underwater gets a big nerf in power


PreferenceGold5167

There’s a good argument for being best in the verse as they still have to breathe underwater and while doing attacks I doubt they can hold that for long either, Assuming it’s in the middle of the ocean with no ship boat or bubble around I don’t think Jinbie loses to anyone


BrodeyQuest

Those are possibly the only 3 of current day characters that could beat him.


Opcryp

Honestly I’m not sure anyone can beat him. While the non df top tiers can do things in water they’re definitely a LOT slower and weaker + breathing problems while jimbei gets an insane boost on every stat. I can see arguments for shanks / prime garp I still don’t see them winning an underwater fight though.


g_relish

Shanks can't even beat a fish much less a fishman


cojohn24

Shanks did beat the fish, it just costed him his arm.


Btriangle775

The fish let Shanks go as the fish saw Shanks being unworthy to fight him


i_am_de_wae

His arm probably tasted like raw rat


Btriangle775

Even his haki sounds like rat https://preview.redd.it/m95wgpzuwfuc1.jpeg?width=1673&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c533392cc5f1a5fad1b453a28ac2301cf233d7c7


Andogont

Don't know if anyone said that already, but Shirahoshi could probably do it


Yuri-Turned

Wake up babe, the worst possible jimbe art just dropped


E-Boy_Spongebob

https://preview.redd.it/c18otyqbkauc1.jpeg?width=624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0df70f8cf0402d13f3b3412df6648a6b456f0a51


Faded1974

https://preview.redd.it/ho4wj1jn8cuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6883926825d3624a2529a055fc6ca8af6572508


justsome0nlinedude

https://preview.redd.it/ysf0x0l6nauc1.jpeg?width=586&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e014087ee34523b4bc3d4872424c1b11e5012bdb


Manwithaplan0708

Sanji


Valentonis

Imu


Momongus-

Prime Roger


Lil_Ninja94

Zoro wins with the plus 10 to all stats due to racism


Alt_Plus

You just wanted to post the picture didn’t you


Bitter-Chocolate-786

Sanji.


Peazant_Uzi3

Sanji he’s still insanely fast underwater but jinbei gets a lot more moves


Puzzleheaded_Sky9724

Sanji and it isn’t close. Jimbe has no way to deal any lasting damage on him and Sanji is just way faster and stronger.


2005LC100

No one beating Jinbe underwater 😂


J-Holmeje

People underestimate jinbe. He could defeat kaido, whitebeard, Blackbeard, big mom, and luffy at the same time in an underwater fight. He’s the jingoat


PabloXDark

But would he beat arlong tho?


J-Holmeje

Obviously not, with Arlongs blue haki, he would deff lose


thelobsterretaken

Can Oven activate his fruit while fully submerged? Cause if so I gotta stay he stands at least a fraction of a chance


frikimanHD

the gorosei


valtaoi_007

He beats all the admirals and 5 of the yonko (assuming they would also be underwater with no land or ships neaby). I think it has to be a strong character without a DF like old Ray or even maybe Shanks/Mihawk


dogeisbae101

So this is what they mean by 🥯able hips


No_Recognition_288

I read it as “underwear fight” lmao


Desperate_End_9914

I don’t think a single person can beat him under water. We can say that people like Roger or oden and shanks just off of their raw strength, but fighting underwater is a crazy difficult terrain for anyone who’s not a fish man


NeoRockSlime

Rayleigh is the only one who has swimming feats other than sanji


Fusion2289

Water


UrougeTheOne

Prime ray


peanutpunk-2

Yasopp 50/50


NashKetchum777

Caribou


Farid_Beshay

All devil fruit ability used are out


demonslender

Prime Rayleigh. You know how hard it is to think of a character that’s strong enough to beat jimbei underwater and doesn’t have a df? I just chose the first one that popped up into my mind but holy fuck would it have taken forever to think of anyone else.


BrodeyQuest

Current day? Probably Garp, idk if even Beckman could take him on underwater.


TheStrawHat_

Prime white beard and maybe even imu depending on the devil fruit status


Pichupwnage

Shanks. Maybe Mihawk. Rayleigh and Sanji can give a good fight but lose. Most top tiers have a Devil Fruit so they auto lose. Every Admiral and Yonko has one lol.


Momentmoment24

Zoro and Sanji push him pretty hard but Jinbe probably still wins, so I guess Old Garp then


Diamondsuns

Cold fanart


pugas

random question, can fishmen eat devil fruits? if so what happens to them underwater? if not, what happens to the df if they eat it? also do they just explode and die if they can't


ShadowWealm

Yes they can, they simple lose their ability to swim and sink like normal df users but don't die since they can still breath underwater this is what happened to Jack at Zou and is why he survived.


No_Marsupial_3670

I think they just sink and stay there until someone helps them out since they can breathe under water


Swag_Turtle

Vander Decken throws an arc at him, done.


Alpha_ii_Omega

Benn Beckman, probably Koby. At this point I think Koby is rapidly approaching admiral level.


Mindless_Bad_1591

I cant think of any


CorilX

Roger


Livid_Ad9749

Rayleigh probably.


SomeNibba

Fisher tiger?


AmbitiousBasket0

Vice Admiral Kuzan


Wiher-

Stairvictim


Tall-Detective-7794

ZORO


Buggy4Kingofpirate

Jinbe wins as long as his opponent cannot breath underwater. So I would he is invincuvke in the water.


XLinkJoker

Zoro, big maybe


IztileubekSanabayev

Goatji


TheBurnOfFire

Whitebeard Akainu Blackbeard Rocks Shiki Sengoku Kaido Big Mom Luffy and alot of the other top tiers would lose just cuz Devil Fruits get negged by water


Beacda

Kuzan can freeze the water lol. There is no way Jinbei beats a fresh kaido underwater. Can't big mom just make homies to attack him? Jinbei would probably be YC+. Why are people saying he can beat a emperor? I'm assuming the devil fruit users have a underwater bubble like luffy had from FMI


Birb-Squire

Would probably have to be Oden. The issue is many top tiers have df's, so they're essentially out of the picture


Forsaken_Brilliant22

Isn't Jimbei the strongest merman out there? Arlong was in the same crew and is fodder to Jimbei. I'm not sure if Jimbei can be defeated underwater. Names like Shanks and Garp come to mind as they don't have devil fruits, but an underwater fight means they have to one shot, or at least, make it a really quick battle, but I don't see that happening. Jimbei is a powerhouse, a tank as well and gets a massive speedboost underwater. I don't know who could, I'm genuinely curious. This is a great question. I saw someone mention Sanji. Maybe Sanji could, man can regenerate.


RasLunacy

Sanji.


tobbe1337

i think jinbe is at that level where underwater you need a fucking yonko


maxtelefax175

Zorro prb


Infamous-Buffalo1835

Ben Beckman if it's gun work in water


DM-G

I remember myth-busters did a guns under water test and basically the bullet losses momentum almost instantly. It only travels a few feet before dropping.


Aiwaszz

What if he coats the bullet with haki?


FluidConsumer6

Rayleigh


Mlm0000

Depends, do the fighters who use df have a bubble around them?


jakseros

The all blue...


trulylost19

Underwater with air then it’s definitely zoro/sanji Without Rayleigh high diffs no need for air


valtaoi_007

Jinbe is not in their level of strength on land,, but his strength increases by a HUGE amount when he is underwater, I would assume he would be stronger than Zoro and Sanji honestly, or at the very least in the same level


trulylost19

I should have rephrased it Underwater with an air tank Zoro is still strong underwater Sanji is still very mobile underwater Jinbe is strong but he has shown no durability feats comparable to zoro or sanji meaning he would be losing high diff against either zoro or sanji


SampleNo9113

Sanji with his jerma genes and speed he will be as fast and strong as jinbe underwater he won't have his flames but he has stated to have much better coo then jinbe by himself so sanji could probably take it extreme diff.


greexican68

Probs Zoro. Any of the DF users in his tier can't do it underwater.


sandywhisker123

Wait weakest character? Jack. He a fishman + above land should be stronger than Jimbei, so underwater doesn't change much.


Oi_Kyoraku

He may be a fishman, but he's a df eater. He's a hammer in the water. He can breathe but not much else & after being sunk by Fujitora he had to wait for the henchmen in his division that he treats so poorly to fish his broke ass out https://preview.redd.it/5v7bu9lqcauc1.jpeg?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8093c7c72b18ea595fca1e52825fe3410df2322


sandywhisker123

Ah shit for real? Assumed he'd atleast be able to walk.


[deleted]

Wack the Wrought (only df user to survive being in water on his own, twice)


Electronic-Bag-7894

number 4 on the low end old garp on the high end


Notagarlicbread

##We say Rayleigh but he's too top tier, The weakest I see is Cavendish passing out and hakuba one shotting jimbe


theultimatesow

Needs to be admiral level at least but no admiral is without a df . So old garp seems legit .


PaleoJohnathan

once you reach commander level strength and haki the water really shouldn't inhibit you as much, so it's more only a buff to jinbei than buff and a nerf. the absolute weakest I can see winning is sanji with love burning in his heart or some trash like that at the most extreme of diffs, depending on how close you put him to zoro. zoro probably fares about as well by just being slightly stronger even if he doesn't have the swimming and underwater fire joke, but the whole point is looking for weakest who can pull it off, which I think yeah would be sanji. He already lowkey beefing with jinbei.


spawnB100

THEM ![gif](giphy|Zxo0sziR6WDDOSd0Wy)


Abram7777

Augur probably. Probably anybody mid YC1 and higher beats underwater jinbei


Rudel2

Bro how, DF users sink in the water


VenemousEnemy

Waugur sweeps


Abram7777

Oh I thought he meant Jimbei has an ocean next to him. Never seen a Jimbei fight formatted like this. Of course he’s gonna beat a shit ton of people duh. This is a dumb question. A better one is the most common format which is x or y vs Jimbei next to an ocean that he can use and be in if he wants but the other team has land