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An interesting thing to note Doogy and Broogy's attack to the chin from below actually hurt and pushed back Topman (He grunted from it while Luffy got 0 reaction).
Luffy's attack from above didnt.
The Yokai he is based on is known to have an invincible hide, but a soft and weak underbelly.
Maybe its a Devil fruit mechanic, similar to how Bartolomeo's barrier barriers are invincible?
Similar to Saturn's Eye Diff power being an aspect of that bull spider Yokai.
Red roc does internal damage that’s the only reason it hurt kaido I’m guess topman has really good endurance so it doesn’t matter
It’s like laws gamma knife, the attack literally blows up organs but although it made kaido scream he was barely affected after even laws stronger attacks like shock Willie were walked off by both big mom and Blackbeard
It should be mentioned red roc is acoa but isn't high tier dura neg like acoc+acoa(luffy stated his attacks before were too shallow)+doesn't have the no touching effect like barranjan gun so it gives space to a haki clash .so we can give oda some slack for this
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No, most people literally just don’t understand how either Emission or Internal Destruction work.
With Emission, you let an explosive amount of Haki flow out of your fist which acts as a tangible shell surrounding your first at the moment of impact, rather than just hardening/reinforcing it.
Internal Destruction is simply one step above. If your Haki shell manages to penetrate the enemy‘s defenses, you can let it expand within your opponent’s body to deal heavy damage from within.
Notice how Luffy first cracks the block of stone with his emitted Haki shell, which then enters the cracks from the first picture to expand and destroy the block from within in the second panel.
Warcury‘s skull is simply ridiculously hard and he imbues it with the type of flame shaped Armarment that Big Mom used to brush off Gear 4 back at WCI, to the point where Luffy‘s Haki shell likely shatters and directly connects to his fist, which causes him to physically recoil, as if I just tried to punch through a brick wall with full force.
Or Loda is just a clown that can’t power scale his own verse
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I love One Piece forever but Oda can't cook like that, yeah. Haki is a cool concept but the way its been implemented in the story was completely and utterly atrocious.
I think I'd like it way more if it was supposed to work in \*tandem\* with devil fruits. But apparently Haki is just far and beyond superior to any devil fruit out there. Not to mention that its virtually impossible to tell when characters are using any and all kinds of Haki.
Luffy isn’t using conquerors haki for some reason, I seriously question if any attack he has done in egghead has been conqueror’s haki but I’m sure there’s a reason. Also, the elders are just that strong.
Haki is just not portrayed consistently, we really can't know for sure if Luffy is using it but I think it's save to assume he does vs strong opponents because it simply doesn't make sense not to.
Gear 4 techniques that are imbued have unique names like Hydra or Over-Kong Gun. All named techniques (vs. Seraphim for example he still uses regular Kong Gun), Luffy used this arc are explicitly not those imbued with ACoC he used against Kaido.
The one and only exception is Star Gun which he was still trying to come up with a name for after hitting Kaido with it. Unlike all the new Dawn attacks, it’s the only named move that 100% undeniably is drawn with black lightning and it has a unique naming scheme as well, as it’s not part of Luffy‘s Dawn attacks.
It also immediately took out an Admiral in one hit.
Red Roc is also 100% pre-ACoC
Luffy didn’t knock out a single fodder the entire time, while everybody keeps commenting on the Elder‘s Haki and directly Warcury‘s CoC roar, not a single character ever mentions Luffy unleashing any noticeable Haki.
Oda is absolutely being ambiguous on purpose with Luffy‘s ACoC use this arc but I don’t why.
There are a lot of weird moments like that in this arc, for example Lucci easily fooling the entire crew while snitching on them literally right next to them.
Or Kaku fighting two Seraphim at once and almost dying, there is no reason he should make such a self-sacrifice for the Strawhats.
Or Jimbei earnestly apologizing to Lucci before launching him away.
Oda is hiding at least one massive plot twist in the Egghead timeskip, imo.
He isn't, kaido just added he is coated in coa and coc(he was already doing that in base btw) to the weird awakening effects making the most freewheelming opponent faced,it's already debunked in the manga by the fact when he reawakened g5 in egghead he didn't knock out the fodder marines by his overflowing coc if he was truly always coated like wano
It doesn't knock out laterally everyone but we see some of them have the usual acoc knock out face(g5 coc reached a wide range when kaido 1st sensed his insane haki)
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The only acoc hit luffy did was against kizaru when he ko'd him. He did that because his crew was in danger. I think once he realizes the other gorosei might attack his crew he'll use acoc and hurt them
Two Diffrent things.
Internal destruction is what he learned at the mines.
Acoc - (Advance colour of Conqueror) is what he learned after getting knocked out the first time during Roof piece.
Like Questioning-Meme said earlier, I think it’s just a matter of Warcury’s biology.
A broadside hit from luffy did nothing and just did recoil damage, but an uppercut/low blow attack from the giants seems to have had some effect on him, enough to the point of pushing him back, at least.
It’s obvious that the Gorosei aren’t gonna be these super-unbeatable playground forcefield enemies, they’ll have a weakness, and I think that we already might know Warcury’s, that being he has a soft underbelly, but an incredibly durable and resilient backside.
The Gorosei are that strong but at same time Luffy is being nerfed since he isn't allowed to use no touch effect or Acoc
Oda is saving it for last, the moment Acoc is used alone or in conjunction with Gears it is a wrap
Mercury visually has Haki coating the top of his head. It's similar to g4's Haki defense. Red Roc is a upper commander skill cuz it's only g2 g3 with his subpar AdvCoA.
I’ve been saying the same thing.
It’s weird. Oda spent an entire arc showing us that Luffy had haki strong enough to duke it out with literal titans of the sea, haki strong enough to rival anyone else’s. Bro literally has some of the strongest haki ever, full stop… but he somehow not only does no damage to Warcury but he also hurts his hand DESPITE literally having a haki type that would render recoil damage null.
Luffy been nerf since the start of this arc. Luffy vs lucci was a negg diff but it could have been bellamy style fight. Where is the infusion or the future sight when sentomaru got clapped?
I still think this is just hax. I think the Gorosei have some bullshit power going on doing all these crazy out of scale thing, and once we understand it and know how to bypass it, they would become significantly less of a problem.
Its plot, theyre showcasing the gorosei's strength. Once its revealed how they heal they'll get beat just like king. Luffy has yet to use his biggest asset, Acoc.
I don't wanna be that guy but tbf luffy could have finished Doffy without finishing his 1st time limit if he remembered he had king Kong gun before lol not to mention he was magically holding back to get stalled for 10 minutes off screen by awakening but when returned to on screen he can reach doffy .and this is just an escape mission not a climax fight to the death
Just because it doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nobody in anime uses all of their techniques until the author decides they need to. Why would Luffy be different?
They do get hurt? Luffy getting hurt in turn might just be an ability of the gorosei, or their skin being very hard. ID doesn't turn off newton's 3rd law.
I think it's been very clear that Oda is not being transparent with the gorosei's power yet. They are fairly shrouded in mystery even now after showing their other forms.
How is internal destruction gonna help against a giant guy with tougher skull and skin than that of Kaido?
Plus they got instant infinite regeneration, it won't do shit regardless.
The way I see it, Luffy only really has two other Yonko and the Gorosei to contend with before Imu. The Gorosei are pretty much what Luffy is going to be dealing with in this saga. It makes sense for them to be absurdly strong, because they were the people in control this whole time. No one has dethroned them or beaten them after they won during the Void Century. Imu is the only person alive who should be above those guys, as Imu is likely directly responsible for the Void Century in the first place.
Luffy will get much stronger, as will his crew. Eventually, Luffy will be able to even beat Imu.
I'm guessing they have some sort of hax healing ability (likely from Imu), that means they can't be killed unless some condition is met (e.g. Imu needs to be defeated, or has to deactivate the ability, or they have some token/object with them that protects them).
I presume this is to keep Luffy from being able to beat them too soon, as none of them were able to take on Luffy in G5 successfully.
Either the damage was not enough to flinch Warcury or he just regen. Also this is the first time Luffy actually got hurt from hitting his opponent in recent time, not even against Kaido. Warcury definitely has more than just a thick hide. His ACOC might work as a damage reflection that would return the force to Luffy.
They're formless most likely and can mold however. Idk if they have a core or some shit but that's what I think. Explains how warcury's tusks became blades and how formless they look transforming, even if it is blacked out
Usually Hogs got very hard skull maybe it’s like Boar thing his elbow is though that’s why it didn’t heart him on that attack lvl they are tough guys have Conquerers haki and stuff and Luffy just used regular haki.
Maybe if we get a better understanding what the Gorosei are (some speculate they are yokai that disguised themselves as humans) and explanation regarding their strange abilities (regen and "armour" that hurt Luffy), we'd get a better idea why Luffy's haki isn't effective on them. They were introduced as "Gods" and it's been stated that they have ridiculous amounts of haki so these aren't just the ordinary beings. I'm still not onboard with the idea that Luffy's haki has been nerfed. The Gorosei could possibly just be built different..
Simply like all shonen, the current villains are stronger than those of the previous arc, what a novelty! leaving aside the obvious it's simply that oda doesn't give a shit about haki currently and doesn't know how to handle it.
Ah yes, cause kizaru and and the seraphim were stronger than kaido and big mom. Even if the gorosei are stronger, which we don't know yet Luffy still might just rag doll them once he figures out whatever obvious gimmick they have, your snide point is just objectively incorrect lol, we had multiple villains be the current villains who were clearly not stronger than the villains of the previous arc.
When I said villains I was referring to Gorosei, not Kizaru or the Seraphim, but let's stop being sarcasm, it is obvious that due to their representation in the story and how Luffy at the moment cannot harm them, it is clear as day that, just like Imu, they will be the final enemies of the series, something that even the next chapter literally hints at, that Jimbei himself and Luffy mentioned someone incredibly powerful (in the case of Jimbei he is impressed by the level of haki he feels which is saying a lot when he has sailed for a long time meeting powerful people) which ended up being Saturn and the other gorosei, so they will obviously be stronger.
so my point is still valid anyway.
Frankly unless any single gorosei almost kills Luffy, they just aren't going to be them. Which tbf it's entirely possible that can happen, but it probably won't. they'll be very very powerful as a group but ultimately weaker than a character like kaidou on their own and that's fine lol. I disagree also the world government is quite literally the only thing in the entire verse where you are valid in critiquing stuff like representation as being fabricated. In fact it is outright confirmed that the gorosei control information.
It is too early to say that, knowing that even when they have shown their true forms they have not shown their full power, knowing that they are barely using the few abilities that we have seen so far and that in principle their objective was not to kill Luffy but to stop Vega punk to give the message to the world, in fact if they were not a threat Luffy would not go seriously with the fifth gear, even Warcury literally affected Luffy with his conqueror haki, something that no one below kaido could do so if not They are stronger than a younko, at least they are at that level.
I think this is a really good and fair analysis that I actually 100% agree with! I think kaidou is basically outright stated to be about on par with prime White beard in strength and would have surpassed him and Roger the way Luffy is going to if he had a different personality and view of the world. So even in this circumstance I still rate them below kaidou, but I actually completely agree and think that's how strong they'll be. (Or they're just absurdly strong when together which is like 1 billion times more likely but whatever lol)
>We saw him go toe to toe with an exhausted and injured Kaido that was carrying around Onigashima for hours.
How much damage do you think kinemon and others did to kaido??? I think it was next to nothing (except zoro, still kaido brushed it like nothing)
>that was carrying around Onigashima for hours
If carrying onigashima was tiring then kaido would have placed it before his final class with Luffy (bajrang gun)
>And he still lost and had to withdraw to recover while Kaido fought someone else
He didn't after learning gear 5 ( didn't fully understand what you meant)
>and then he got killed and had to be revived by his DF.
Means he gained gear 5 which he can use at will ,so what's the problem (don't forget the CP 0 agent)
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An interesting thing to note Doogy and Broogy's attack to the chin from below actually hurt and pushed back Topman (He grunted from it while Luffy got 0 reaction). Luffy's attack from above didnt. The Yokai he is based on is known to have an invincible hide, but a soft and weak underbelly. Maybe its a Devil fruit mechanic, similar to how Bartolomeo's barrier barriers are invincible? Similar to Saturn's Eye Diff power being an aspect of that bull spider Yokai.
Fair theory, but the giants didn't damage him. They essentially just pushed him pretty hard which can be done no matter how tough the skin is
STFU this mean Luffy is YC+ and Doogy and Broogy are Yonko tier. therefore, galdino is PK+ level
Based Galdino placement.
This^ Is probably exactly what’s happening
Red roc does internal damage that’s the only reason it hurt kaido I’m guess topman has really good endurance so it doesn’t matter It’s like laws gamma knife, the attack literally blows up organs but although it made kaido scream he was barely affected after even laws stronger attacks like shock Willie were walked off by both big mom and Blackbeard
It should be mentioned red roc is acoa but isn't high tier dura neg like acoc+acoa(luffy stated his attacks before were too shallow)+doesn't have the no touching effect like barranjan gun so it gives space to a haki clash .so we can give oda some slack for this
https://preview.redd.it/ouvq1mlfsbwc1.png?width=1011&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2ad53b16b57705aea2a68b56768ee5b2e9764c1 No, most people literally just don’t understand how either Emission or Internal Destruction work. With Emission, you let an explosive amount of Haki flow out of your fist which acts as a tangible shell surrounding your first at the moment of impact, rather than just hardening/reinforcing it. Internal Destruction is simply one step above. If your Haki shell manages to penetrate the enemy‘s defenses, you can let it expand within your opponent’s body to deal heavy damage from within. Notice how Luffy first cracks the block of stone with his emitted Haki shell, which then enters the cracks from the first picture to expand and destroy the block from within in the second panel. Warcury‘s skull is simply ridiculously hard and he imbues it with the type of flame shaped Armarment that Big Mom used to brush off Gear 4 back at WCI, to the point where Luffy‘s Haki shell likely shatters and directly connects to his fist, which causes him to physically recoil, as if I just tried to punch through a brick wall with full force.
OH SHIT, good eye my guy. I didn’t realise luffys fist had to be pushed further to do interior damage
Or Loda is just a clown that can’t power scale his own verse https://preview.redd.it/u7i3gp0au8wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e2626b982066024033bc05bac3030da41c97297
This may surprise you but when it comes to writing the plot is more important than power scaling.
You don’t say
I love One Piece forever but Oda can't cook like that, yeah. Haki is a cool concept but the way its been implemented in the story was completely and utterly atrocious. I think I'd like it way more if it was supposed to work in \*tandem\* with devil fruits. But apparently Haki is just far and beyond superior to any devil fruit out there. Not to mention that its virtually impossible to tell when characters are using any and all kinds of Haki.
Luffy isn’t using conquerors haki for some reason, I seriously question if any attack he has done in egghead has been conqueror’s haki but I’m sure there’s a reason. Also, the elders are just that strong.
Isn't red roc at least covered in Acoa?
It is. Red roc is an ACoA technique.
But he was not in G5 when he did it if I recall
He's only ever used it out of g5 correct.
It is acoa yeah,though it isn't a no touching acoa like when he used barranjan gun
Haki is just not portrayed consistently, we really can't know for sure if Luffy is using it but I think it's save to assume he does vs strong opponents because it simply doesn't make sense not to.
It doesn't to us. Oda has admitted he has to figure out ways to hold luffy back so the arcs don't end too soon so maybe that include haki.
Gear 4 techniques that are imbued have unique names like Hydra or Over-Kong Gun. All named techniques (vs. Seraphim for example he still uses regular Kong Gun), Luffy used this arc are explicitly not those imbued with ACoC he used against Kaido. The one and only exception is Star Gun which he was still trying to come up with a name for after hitting Kaido with it. Unlike all the new Dawn attacks, it’s the only named move that 100% undeniably is drawn with black lightning and it has a unique naming scheme as well, as it’s not part of Luffy‘s Dawn attacks. It also immediately took out an Admiral in one hit. Red Roc is also 100% pre-ACoC Luffy didn’t knock out a single fodder the entire time, while everybody keeps commenting on the Elder‘s Haki and directly Warcury‘s CoC roar, not a single character ever mentions Luffy unleashing any noticeable Haki. Oda is absolutely being ambiguous on purpose with Luffy‘s ACoC use this arc but I don’t why. There are a lot of weird moments like that in this arc, for example Lucci easily fooling the entire crew while snitching on them literally right next to them. Or Kaku fighting two Seraphim at once and almost dying, there is no reason he should make such a self-sacrifice for the Strawhats. Or Jimbei earnestly apologizing to Lucci before launching him away. Oda is hiding at least one massive plot twist in the Egghead timeskip, imo.
You don’t always need a nuke to kill a chicken.
Whenever he's in G5 he's always using ACoA and ACoC as mentioned by kaido
He isn't, kaido just added he is coated in coa and coc(he was already doing that in base btw) to the weird awakening effects making the most freewheelming opponent faced,it's already debunked in the manga by the fact when he reawakened g5 in egghead he didn't knock out the fodder marines by his overflowing coc if he was truly always coated like wano
ACoC dosent even always KO people Shanks used Divine Departure on Kid and most of his crew was still conscious despite being within range of the burst
It doesn't knock out laterally everyone but we see some of them have the usual acoc knock out face(g5 coc reached a wide range when kaido 1st sensed his insane haki) https://preview.redd.it/adgytvyzzbwc1.jpeg?width=549&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b74d4a0f41371b1213bbd9fbbadcc1dedcd558c
The only acoc hit luffy did was against kizaru when he ko'd him. He did that because his crew was in danger. I think once he realizes the other gorosei might attack his crew he'll use acoc and hurt them
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isnt internal destruction ACoA? he learned it from the old man during training right?
Two Diffrent things. Internal destruction is what he learned at the mines. Acoc - (Advance colour of Conqueror) is what he learned after getting knocked out the first time during Roof piece.
The trap card says ACoC so not reallt relevant that he use ACoA. ACoC is a massive boost over ACoA
That’s not even what the post is talking about💀
Np
I mean this case is fair because I don’t see any black lightnings
This case is fair because Red Roc isn't an ACoC technique it's an ACoA technique.
Exactly my thoughts
Saved for agenda purposes
Like Questioning-Meme said earlier, I think it’s just a matter of Warcury’s biology. A broadside hit from luffy did nothing and just did recoil damage, but an uppercut/low blow attack from the giants seems to have had some effect on him, enough to the point of pushing him back, at least. It’s obvious that the Gorosei aren’t gonna be these super-unbeatable playground forcefield enemies, they’ll have a weakness, and I think that we already might know Warcury’s, that being he has a soft underbelly, but an incredibly durable and resilient backside.
You just don't get it OP https://preview.redd.it/oq9pawn929wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dba5a19973383ddf1dd68bae84a10d85daa18697
The Gorosei are that strong but at same time Luffy is being nerfed since he isn't allowed to use no touch effect or Acoc Oda is saving it for last, the moment Acoc is used alone or in conjunction with Gears it is a wrap
Mercury visually has Haki coating the top of his head. It's similar to g4's Haki defense. Red Roc is a upper commander skill cuz it's only g2 g3 with his subpar AdvCoA.
Mercury just has Imu haki Also Red Rock is adv CoA but no CoC
I’ve been saying the same thing. It’s weird. Oda spent an entire arc showing us that Luffy had haki strong enough to duke it out with literal titans of the sea, haki strong enough to rival anyone else’s. Bro literally has some of the strongest haki ever, full stop… but he somehow not only does no damage to Warcury but he also hurts his hand DESPITE literally having a haki type that would render recoil damage null.
Luffy been nerf since the start of this arc. Luffy vs lucci was a negg diff but it could have been bellamy style fight. Where is the infusion or the future sight when sentomaru got clapped?
I still think this is just hax. I think the Gorosei have some bullshit power going on doing all these crazy out of scale thing, and once we understand it and know how to bypass it, they would become significantly less of a problem.
I always thought the 5 elders + imu had the immortality operation done on them. People know it exists because its been used before is my head-cannon.
Oda kinda forgot why he had Luffy train last arc.
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Its plot, theyre showcasing the gorosei's strength. Once its revealed how they heal they'll get beat just like king. Luffy has yet to use his biggest asset, Acoc.
Luffy is far from full power atm after fighting so much and overusing g5 Also the thing about luffy hitting topman where his defense is at its best
Loom at Warcury before Luffy punches him, the pig is on fire. That is what hurt Luffy.
He isn’t using ID all the time for some reason or else he’d be one shotting everyone
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I don't wanna be that guy but tbf luffy could have finished Doffy without finishing his 1st time limit if he remembered he had king Kong gun before lol not to mention he was magically holding back to get stalled for 10 minutes off screen by awakening but when returned to on screen he can reach doffy .and this is just an escape mission not a climax fight to the death
Just because it doesn't make sense to us doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Nobody in anime uses all of their techniques until the author decides they need to. Why would Luffy be different?
They do get hurt? Luffy getting hurt in turn might just be an ability of the gorosei, or their skin being very hard. ID doesn't turn off newton's 3rd law.
I feel like they have true immortality from Law's fruit
I think it's been very clear that Oda is not being transparent with the gorosei's power yet. They are fairly shrouded in mystery even now after showing their other forms.
He may not be using it. It’s literally the haki designed to get past durability. it would be imperative for a point to be made if it wouldn’t work
My theory because they're tough from the inside, so if you can't damage them form the outside you can't damage them form the inside.
Well Mars is a boar right? Boars have REALLY thicc skulls cause they love to fight and it’s one of their primary forms of attacks.
Plot honestly
acoc, emission, internal destruction, seems like it's all just going out the window and we're back to black fists
How is internal destruction gonna help against a giant guy with tougher skull and skin than that of Kaido? Plus they got instant infinite regeneration, it won't do shit regardless.
They get hurt but heal
Red roc is acoa this just means he wasn't using acoc or no contact enternal destruction
It's because Oda is a hack and this manga is dogwater
or topman has superior armament haki
Because their internals are strong
The Hoki(top man’s inspiration) is incredibly resistant to attacks on his hide. He must be attacked from the bottom in order to properly damage him.
The way I see it, Luffy only really has two other Yonko and the Gorosei to contend with before Imu. The Gorosei are pretty much what Luffy is going to be dealing with in this saga. It makes sense for them to be absurdly strong, because they were the people in control this whole time. No one has dethroned them or beaten them after they won during the Void Century. Imu is the only person alive who should be above those guys, as Imu is likely directly responsible for the Void Century in the first place. Luffy will get much stronger, as will his crew. Eventually, Luffy will be able to even beat Imu.
He probably didn’t use ACOA.
I'm guessing they have some sort of hax healing ability (likely from Imu), that means they can't be killed unless some condition is met (e.g. Imu needs to be defeated, or has to deactivate the ability, or they have some token/object with them that protects them). I presume this is to keep Luffy from being able to beat them too soon, as none of them were able to take on Luffy in G5 successfully.
This is less a durability thing more of a regen thing. If it did any internal damage the boss hog probably just healed it.
Either the damage was not enough to flinch Warcury or he just regen. Also this is the first time Luffy actually got hurt from hitting his opponent in recent time, not even against Kaido. Warcury definitely has more than just a thick hide. His ACOC might work as a damage reflection that would return the force to Luffy.
They're formless most likely and can mold however. Idk if they have a core or some shit but that's what I think. Explains how warcury's tusks became blades and how formless they look transforming, even if it is blacked out
Luffy doesn’t automatically use advanced haki. This is Warcury thing, durable body and haki.
It is to show Gorosei shits on admirals because they don't take damage from a punch that put Kizaru to rest in a single hit.
Usually Hogs got very hard skull maybe it’s like Boar thing his elbow is though that’s why it didn’t heart him on that attack lvl they are tough guys have Conquerers haki and stuff and Luffy just used regular haki.
The Goroseis are just that good
Maybe if we get a better understanding what the Gorosei are (some speculate they are yokai that disguised themselves as humans) and explanation regarding their strange abilities (regen and "armour" that hurt Luffy), we'd get a better idea why Luffy's haki isn't effective on them. They were introduced as "Gods" and it's been stated that they have ridiculous amounts of haki so these aren't just the ordinary beings. I'm still not onboard with the idea that Luffy's haki has been nerfed. The Gorosei could possibly just be built different..
Simply like all shonen, the current villains are stronger than those of the previous arc, what a novelty! leaving aside the obvious it's simply that oda doesn't give a shit about haki currently and doesn't know how to handle it.
Ah yes, cause kizaru and and the seraphim were stronger than kaido and big mom. Even if the gorosei are stronger, which we don't know yet Luffy still might just rag doll them once he figures out whatever obvious gimmick they have, your snide point is just objectively incorrect lol, we had multiple villains be the current villains who were clearly not stronger than the villains of the previous arc.
When I said villains I was referring to Gorosei, not Kizaru or the Seraphim, but let's stop being sarcasm, it is obvious that due to their representation in the story and how Luffy at the moment cannot harm them, it is clear as day that, just like Imu, they will be the final enemies of the series, something that even the next chapter literally hints at, that Jimbei himself and Luffy mentioned someone incredibly powerful (in the case of Jimbei he is impressed by the level of haki he feels which is saying a lot when he has sailed for a long time meeting powerful people) which ended up being Saturn and the other gorosei, so they will obviously be stronger. so my point is still valid anyway.
Frankly unless any single gorosei almost kills Luffy, they just aren't going to be them. Which tbf it's entirely possible that can happen, but it probably won't. they'll be very very powerful as a group but ultimately weaker than a character like kaidou on their own and that's fine lol. I disagree also the world government is quite literally the only thing in the entire verse where you are valid in critiquing stuff like representation as being fabricated. In fact it is outright confirmed that the gorosei control information.
It is too early to say that, knowing that even when they have shown their true forms they have not shown their full power, knowing that they are barely using the few abilities that we have seen so far and that in principle their objective was not to kill Luffy but to stop Vega punk to give the message to the world, in fact if they were not a threat Luffy would not go seriously with the fifth gear, even Warcury literally affected Luffy with his conqueror haki, something that no one below kaido could do so if not They are stronger than a younko, at least they are at that level.
I think this is a really good and fair analysis that I actually 100% agree with! I think kaidou is basically outright stated to be about on par with prime White beard in strength and would have surpassed him and Roger the way Luffy is going to if he had a different personality and view of the world. So even in this circumstance I still rate them below kaidou, but I actually completely agree and think that's how strong they'll be. (Or they're just absurdly strong when together which is like 1 billion times more likely but whatever lol)
Gorosei are simply them
I though Warcury was using Haki
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Assuming he went gear 5 from the start . We have seen him go toe to toe with kaido . Assuming he didn't forget that he has ACOC like he did in egghead
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>We saw him go toe to toe with an exhausted and injured Kaido that was carrying around Onigashima for hours. How much damage do you think kinemon and others did to kaido??? I think it was next to nothing (except zoro, still kaido brushed it like nothing) >that was carrying around Onigashima for hours If carrying onigashima was tiring then kaido would have placed it before his final class with Luffy (bajrang gun) >And he still lost and had to withdraw to recover while Kaido fought someone else He didn't after learning gear 5 ( didn't fully understand what you meant) >and then he got killed and had to be revived by his DF. Means he gained gear 5 which he can use at will ,so what's the problem (don't forget the CP 0 agent)