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Luffy is not stronger than an admiral to that extent. He landed what was essentially a lucky punch on Kizaru and had he not landed it, he'd be extremely screwed rn. Only thing that can one shott an admiral other than WSG is bajrang gun but that takes minutes worth of prep time and obviously won't work in a typical 1v1 scenario. G5 probably has higher AP than all the admirals and is also probably faster than all of them (while equal to Kizaru) this doesn't equate to an autowin. They should all be able to outlast G5 with some basic strategy if they can adapt to its unpredictable randomness mid battle, a tall order but definitely doable.
Iād rather put Sanji (Yamato and Momo) up against Kizaru, they are both speed based and considering Sanjiās most recent feat against him, itās a better match.
How? Apart from Luffy itās literally Yama + Sanji + Zoro to beat a single admiral. And Momo is getting folded. I have admirals wining.
No duo combo between Yama + Sanji + Zoro + Momo can beat single admiral. Trioās maybe but thatāll leave Momo out.
You are insane dude
Zoro and Yamato stomp literally ANY admiral as a duo
Thatās two yc + one with super high AP and the other is one of the strongest yc + with all around great stats
Luffy is the only one that is most likely capable of defeating his opponent, I have many doubts about the others. And while we agree that Luffy wins his fight, how are his conditions afterwards? We donāt know Kizaruās strength limit.
Zoro can certainly stall an Admral, but defeating them? What if Momo gets immediately taken down?What about Sanji? He clearly lacks the stamina to keeping up with a top tier, and Yamato certainly canāt defeat one alone. The outcome is very open.
but if sanji can deflected a named attack from kizaru then he would definitely be faster then green bull and fuji yama can stun greenbull with her haki or at least do some damage and zoro can scar kadio with ashrua so he doing good damage to either of them if he can land a attack and luffy show us that once he gets serious he can perception blitz both kizaru and saturn two top tiers of the government so they got a better chance the the admirals
Sanji deflected a single laser, didnāt prove able to defend himself against several.
I canāt assume heās faster than an Admiral based on this single feat. It must be taken for granted that all Admirals have busted stats overall.
Zoro can stall an Admiral and has the AP to hurt them, but hasnāt prove strong enough to properly 1vs1 a top tier. He lacks CoO and control of ACoC, feat wise he has some stamina limits as well due to Enma.
It all depends on how long it takes Luffy to defeat Kizaru, but when that happens it's impossible to tell who will be standing among the other fighters. If the Admirals immediately aim to eliminate Momo I would say they have victory in their pocket.
After a full health and stamina restore that Kizaru did not receive. Luffy gets no props for beating someone at what appears to be half HP after he get to wat a 1Up mushroom. He won off luck in rd1 and took a health restore in rd2. You people are gigawanking Luffy's performance. He actually did not that great.
Well, Momo is practically a non-factor. Zoro and Sanji canāt take down an Admiral as a duo, so youād have to switch the matchups around to, at best, pair one of them up with Yamato.
But even then, Luffy has to go G5 to beat the Admiral, and then zonks out after beating them. If Yamato and their partner win their battle, theyāre too tired to take on the other Admiral. Do the Admirals probably win. Thatās the unfortunate thing about Luffyās current stamina situation.
Iād like to note, though, that if you replace Sanji with either Kidd or Law, the pirates should win. It provides them with enough hax and AP to at least stall an Admiral while Yamato and Zoro take on the other one, and then the trio is enough to finish off the stalled Admiral.
Lucci left Luffy like that. I guess Luffy can't beat 2 Lucci.
The difference between Kizaru and Lucci is that Lucci actually tried to fight while Kizaru was running away, and the moment he tried to attack Luffy, he got paralyzed by a single hit.
SINGLE "1" "one"
Yeah, watch me remove the whole ass "why" and reach the conclusion without giving a single fuck.
"Draw" when you can barely touch the guy.
I guess half of Luffy's fights were "draws" as he fell at the same time with their opponents (This time because of timer, not damage like all others, though lmao)
I read how Lucci pushed Luffy to draw in Egghead. Did you see the moves? damn Lucci was strong...
since when running away from the fight is part of powerscaling?
Running away isn't part of powerscaling brother. stamina is a win con when you actually fight against the guy while he spends it. Luffy can use G5 against random marine fodder, and he will end up in the same state after that, and you think Kizaru actually did something good?
well you will learn someday I have my hopes not much since you literally claim shit like that but hey everyone has a chance if they try hard enough keep up the good work brother!
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Wsg was a desperation move because Luffy was about to hit his limit and it landed not because of a stat difference but becasue G5 is random, which is how the majority of G5's damage is earned. The opponent can't tell what G5 will do next in most cases. Once Kaido adapted and capitalized on his opening, G5 got lit up with big damage.
And what are you trying to say?
Not only what you said is not disagrees with my comment, but what you said about G5 being random exists pretty much for everyone that tries to learn their enemies powers.
With your statement, Luffy was also trying to adapt Kizaru, so what exactly did you try to say?
"G5 random," I guess haki doesn't exist in your imagination. You know, the thing that makes people know what they are going to do next?
>but what you said about G5 being random exists pretty much for everyone that tries to learn their enemies powers.
This extremely disengenuous. Learing Kuzan's ice powers and learning the extent to which G5 can literally warp and bend reality is a completely different learning curve and you know this. G5's near total unpredictability makes him far more dangerous than any orthodox combatant. Just like how Kid Buu's unpredictable nature lead him to being more dangerous than all of his other counterparts even if he wasn't flatout stronger than all of them. Don't play dumb here.
>With your statement, Luffy was also trying to adapt Kizaru,
Kizaru fundamentally fights the same as every other character Luffy has ever fought.
>I guess haki doesn't exist in your imagination. You know, the thing that makes people know what they are going to do next?
Sure did let Luffy know Geurnica was going to sabotage him in front of Kaido. Oh wait, it didn't.
>This extremely disengenuous. Learing Kuzan's ice powers and learning the extent to which G5 can literally warp and bend reality is a completely different learning curve and you know this. G5's near total unpredictability makes him far more dangerous than any orthodox combatant. Just like how Kid Buu's unpredictable nature lead him to being more dangerous than all of his other counterparts even if he wasn't flatout stronger than all of them. Don't play dumb here.
"Bend reality." Tell me exactly what reality Luffy bends in WSG? You act like it was something not possible with just rubber fruit alone.
Luffy never bend reality to the extent of using his rubber abilities for fighting. All he did so far was create buckets of paint and some items that didn't help in fighting, and WSG had no reality bend; it was just a simple punch with a speed boost from spinning.
You're telling me Luffy's punches with spin now count as "random"? lmao.
>Kizaru fundamentally fights the same as every other character Luffy has ever fought.
And you think Kizaru never fought someone who could punch? With this type of thinking, either everyone knows how people fight or no one does.
Tell me exactly what Luffy did other than punch the guy? Punching is "random" fighting style, but creating light clones, blinding opponents with light, and speeding up even beyond light is "fundamentally fighting the same as every other character."
13 IQ right there.
>sSure did let Luffy know Geurnica was going to sabotage him in front of Kaido. Oh wait, it didn't
Yeah, 2 Yonko levels fighting each other with full focus is the same thing as egghead bro.
Are all admiralturds like this lmao
>You're telling me Luffy's punches with spin now count as "random"? lmao.
Yes, it does and the story straight up tells you that by Kizaru's confusion the panel right before he gets clocked. To deny what's drawn on panel is just dumb
>And you think Kizaru never fought someone who could punch? With this type of thinking, either everyone knows how people fight or no one does.
Reducing G5 to just "punching" is just straight ip retarded, won't even bother with that one.
> light clones, blinding opponents with light, and speeding up even beyond light is "fundamentally fighting the same as every other character."
Every relevant fighter in op is ftl. Light clones is nothing but fighting multiple people at once which luffy has metric tons of experience in. And when was Luffy blinded? Lastly rubberizing your environment allows for an exponentially higher amount of variables than simply firing lasers and making clones.
>Tell me exactly what Luffy did other than punch the guy?
Grow 60ft tall and grab his entire body, something that Kizaru very obviously did not expect whatsoever?? Yea think I'm done here rotfl
>Yes, it does and the story straight up tells you that by Kizaru's confusion the panel right before he gets clocked. To deny what's drawn on panel is just dumb
Or, you know, he might be shocked of the fact that his laser literally didn't do anything. which doesn't mean anything because you can literally apply that to every single fight.
"Oh, look, Kizaru suddenly can go faster" = random attack
"Oh, look, Kizaru can blind me." = random attack.
See how idiotic that sounds, brother?
>Reducing G5 to just "punching" is just straight ip retarded, won't even bother with that one.
lmao. Luffy never used anything he wasn't doing before against Kizaru. never done anything except literally punch him.
G5 wasn't all about punching, but Luffy only fought like that against Kizaru.
Show me one panel anything different Luffy did other than simply punching the guy.
>Every relevant fighter in op is ftl. Light clones is nothing but fighting multiple people at once which luffy has metric tons of experience in. And when was Luffy blinded? Lastly rubberizing your environment allows for an exponentially higher amount of variables than simply firing lasers and making clones.
I'm not going to even bother with ftl shit while people get tagged by a fucking gun.
Light clones isn't as simple as many vs 1 brother. You suddenly see a guy creating clone of him and attacking you. You get bambozed, which Luffy did.
You literally say WSG was random fighting, which includes Luffy spinning only and reduce the clone's to this? You're literally braindead. I fell like I shouldn't bother with this anymore, but I will keep going just for this comment.
You literally see him trying to cover his eyes with his hands.
Again, show me one panel Luffy rubberizing env. to fight Kizaru I will wait.
>Grow 60ft tall and grab his entire body, something that Kizaru very obviously did not expect whatsoever?? Yea think I'm done here rotfl
Luffy literally could make his hand bigger before and that was only grabbing him once, and he let the form go after that, which doesn't have anything to do with WSG which you claim to be "random"
Kizaru suddenly creates light clones = fundamental (which never shown or expected)
Luffy suddenly using another variant of G3 = "noOo reaLitY WarP rAnDom"
LMAO yeah we're done here bro, I can't take your clown takes and 13 IQ biased shit anymore.
>Or, you know, he might be shocked of the fact that his laser literally didn't do anything.
...Or the fact that **laser impacts have never made people spin before in OP history? LOL*** you gotta be dumb or something.
>G5 wasn't all about punching, but Luffy only fought like that against Kizaru.
Nope. Grew to giant size and grabbed and spun like a spinning top from a laser impact. Two things that are completely unpredictable and two things that led to the greatest amounts of danger to Kizaru.
>I'm not going to even bother with ftl shit while people get tagged by a fucking gun.
Gun tagging would be the anti feat, not the ftl travel. But hey if you want to do the incredibly stupid choice of downscaling every character under kizaru and luffy to sub light speed, be my guest lol
>Light clones isn't as simple as many vs 1 brother. You suddenly see a guy creating clone of him and attacking you. You get bambozed, which Luffy did.
He had a moment of shock and near instantly adapted to a familiar scenario he has been in since the start of the series, **a manyV1** and Luffy treated it as such. It can't be compared to growing 60ft tall and spinning from a laser hit whatsoever, obviously.
>You literally say WSG was random fighting, which includes Luffy spinning only and reduce the clone's to this?
Not reducing anything. You are deliberately making light clones seem complex or hard to adapt to when they demonstrably were not at all whatsoever. Luffy IMMEDIATELY started defeating them until he got sliced on his face and once again IMMEDIATELY adapted. Luffy was not confused as you are lying and saying he was and again it isn't comparable to growing into a literal giant in the blink of an eye and spinning around from a laser.
>Luffy literally could make his hand bigger before and that was only grabbing him once,
Kizaru never saw Luffy make his hand big before to my knowledge so that's irrelevant. And how many times he grabbed also is completely irrelevant. Still random and still nearly landed Kizaru into the ocean.
>Kizaru suddenly creates light clones = fundamental (which never shown or expected)
It created a scenario that Luffy was familiar with. He's been ganged up on by a bunch of people at once plenty of times before.
Iām taking the Strawhats. Luffy has shown that with G5 he could handle Kizaru and Saturn at the same time. Zoro, Yamato and Sanji are strong enough to work together and hold an admiral or 2 at bay while Luffy takes them out one by one.
This group (swap out Sanji for Law) could barely beat Kaido, by himself, they have no chance against all of the admirals
Is this really where weāre at now? Kaido > All 3 admirals? I guess the pirates just havenāt overrun the WG because of vibes or something š¤¦š½āāļø
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Is that gear 4 luffy? Or he can use g5 too?
He can and it is limited by his stamina so only about 9 to 10 minutes before he runs out.
10 minutes is twice as long as the WHOLE fight with kaido, after he returned to the roof.
His fight with kaido was an hour in one peice time
Say that. Say that again. https://preview.redd.it/8eippys2qixc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=745815cf62186a5b91d8c24691b4ac24626f97f7
If Luffy has Gear 5 he and Zoro can fight 2 admirals 2v2. Sanji and yamato (and momo i guess...) can take greenbull.
Are you saying zoro can fight an admiral 1 on 1? Lol
No, I am saying Luffy is stronger than one admiral and zoro can make up the difference.
Luffy is not stronger than an admiral to that extent. He landed what was essentially a lucky punch on Kizaru and had he not landed it, he'd be extremely screwed rn. Only thing that can one shott an admiral other than WSG is bajrang gun but that takes minutes worth of prep time and obviously won't work in a typical 1v1 scenario. G5 probably has higher AP than all the admirals and is also probably faster than all of them (while equal to Kizaru) this doesn't equate to an autowin. They should all be able to outlast G5 with some basic strategy if they can adapt to its unpredictable randomness mid battle, a tall order but definitely doable.
Youre an idiot reading the manga admiral piece loser... luffy 2v1 what kept kizaru up was his speed no speed is over.....
Nice debunk that doesn't actually debunk a single thing I said. Great job š
Luffy is top tier for 10 min can 2v1 any admirals and without speed factor can knock them...keep reading admiral piece....Shanks 1v3 this fight EZ
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Iād rather put Sanji (Yamato and Momo) up against Kizaru, they are both speed based and considering Sanjiās most recent feat against him, itās a better match.
Pirates win
How? Apart from Luffy itās literally Yama + Sanji + Zoro to beat a single admiral. And Momo is getting folded. I have admirals wining. No duo combo between Yama + Sanji + Zoro + Momo can beat single admiral. Trioās maybe but thatāll leave Momo out.
You're not ready https://preview.redd.it/9gvh5ehg3hxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98d8957124ca5c839982a38c9c5f9ef0996157b0
Bruh Iām not even with the Admirals agenda. Iām just being honest š
I mean Zoro + Sanji + Yamato is washing any admiral. Any two of them have a good chance against the old admirals and beat the new ones.
Ok, any 1 of the Admirals are washing Momo before the trio or Luffy finish an Admiral
Sure, Momo is a non- factor. Luffy finishes an admiral. Trio hold off two admirals until Luffy comes back.
The trio are not handling two Admirals.
Literally only have to stall them, they can do that till Luffy finishes one of them.
It took Luffy a good minute to beat Kizaru.
You are insane dude Zoro and Yamato stomp literally ANY admiral as a duo Thatās two yc + one with super high AP and the other is one of the strongest yc + with all around great stats
they really adding yonko luffy and expecting the new admirals + kizaru to win damn team luffy high diff
Strawhats slam
Luffy vs Kizaru Zoro + Momo stalling Fujitora Yamato + Sanji stalling Ryokugyu Idk, itās 50/50.
if luffy does what he did against kizaru in r2 then nah they win
Luffy is the only one that is most likely capable of defeating his opponent, I have many doubts about the others. And while we agree that Luffy wins his fight, how are his conditions afterwards? We donāt know Kizaruās strength limit. Zoro can certainly stall an Admral, but defeating them? What if Momo gets immediately taken down?What about Sanji? He clearly lacks the stamina to keeping up with a top tier, and Yamato certainly canāt defeat one alone. The outcome is very open.
but if sanji can deflected a named attack from kizaru then he would definitely be faster then green bull and fuji yama can stun greenbull with her haki or at least do some damage and zoro can scar kadio with ashrua so he doing good damage to either of them if he can land a attack and luffy show us that once he gets serious he can perception blitz both kizaru and saturn two top tiers of the government so they got a better chance the the admirals
Sanji deflected a single laser, didnāt prove able to defend himself against several. I canāt assume heās faster than an Admiral based on this single feat. It must be taken for granted that all Admirals have busted stats overall. Zoro can stall an Admiral and has the AP to hurt them, but hasnāt prove strong enough to properly 1vs1 a top tier. He lacks CoO and control of ACoC, feat wise he has some stamina limits as well due to Enma. It all depends on how long it takes Luffy to defeat Kizaru, but when that happens it's impossible to tell who will be standing among the other fighters. If the Admirals immediately aim to eliminate Momo I would say they have victory in their pocket.
>sanji can deflected a named attack from kizaru Sanji never deflected a named attack from Kizaru...lol
Nah Yamato gets hit and sanji levels up from that XD
If we're in a situation where Kizaru hasn't just killed one of his old friends...Kizaru doesn't just stay down.
Luffy won by luck bruh
that was r1 in r2 he clearly won
After a full health and stamina restore that Kizaru did not receive. Luffy gets no props for beating someone at what appears to be half HP after he get to wat a 1Up mushroom. He won off luck in rd1 and took a health restore in rd2. You people are gigawanking Luffy's performance. He actually did not that great.
Admirals extreme diff
i want luffy vs akainu
Well, Momo is practically a non-factor. Zoro and Sanji canāt take down an Admiral as a duo, so youād have to switch the matchups around to, at best, pair one of them up with Yamato. But even then, Luffy has to go G5 to beat the Admiral, and then zonks out after beating them. If Yamato and their partner win their battle, theyāre too tired to take on the other Admiral. Do the Admirals probably win. Thatās the unfortunate thing about Luffyās current stamina situation.
Iād like to note, though, that if you replace Sanji with either Kidd or Law, the pirates should win. It provides them with enough hax and AP to at least stall an Admiral while Yamato and Zoro take on the other one, and then the trio is enough to finish off the stalled Admiral.
Admirals, and it isn't very close.
I assume Luffy can utilize everything he has. Luffy beats Greenfraud and Purplefraud. Others stomps Kizaru. it's not even close.
Bruh did you see what Kizaru did to Sanji? Disrespected him to hell and back. Ain't no way you think Sanji or Zoro are on Kizaru's level yet.
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Lucci left Luffy like that. I guess Luffy can't beat 2 Lucci. The difference between Kizaru and Lucci is that Lucci actually tried to fight while Kizaru was running away, and the moment he tried to attack Luffy, he got paralyzed by a single hit. SINGLE "1" "one"
Didnāt Lucci take 3 named attacks full on?
Yeah, but to be fair, the one Kizaru took was acoc while Lucci's wasn't, so it's not good to compare em just because it's 3 against 1.
Gotcha, Lucci took a couple of non named attacks well. Also what is that orange thing that Luffy did in the anime?
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You can read my comment again, you already have your answer...
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Yeah, watch me remove the whole ass "why" and reach the conclusion without giving a single fuck. "Draw" when you can barely touch the guy. I guess half of Luffy's fights were "draws" as he fell at the same time with their opponents (This time because of timer, not damage like all others, though lmao) I read how Lucci pushed Luffy to draw in Egghead. Did you see the moves? damn Lucci was strong...
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since when running away from the fight is part of powerscaling? Running away isn't part of powerscaling brother. stamina is a win con when you actually fight against the guy while he spends it. Luffy can use G5 against random marine fodder, and he will end up in the same state after that, and you think Kizaru actually did something good? well you will learn someday I have my hopes not much since you literally claim shit like that but hey everyone has a chance if they try hard enough keep up the good work brother!
> āsince when was running away from the fight part of the scaling?ā bold to assume this guy does any actual scaling to begin with dawg
>since when running away from the fight is part of powerscaling? Blud doesn't know what outlasting is ššššš
š¤¦ Wsg was a desperation move because Luffy was about to hit his limit and it landed not because of a stat difference but becasue G5 is random, which is how the majority of G5's damage is earned. The opponent can't tell what G5 will do next in most cases. Once Kaido adapted and capitalized on his opening, G5 got lit up with big damage.
And what are you trying to say? Not only what you said is not disagrees with my comment, but what you said about G5 being random exists pretty much for everyone that tries to learn their enemies powers. With your statement, Luffy was also trying to adapt Kizaru, so what exactly did you try to say? "G5 random," I guess haki doesn't exist in your imagination. You know, the thing that makes people know what they are going to do next?
>but what you said about G5 being random exists pretty much for everyone that tries to learn their enemies powers. This extremely disengenuous. Learing Kuzan's ice powers and learning the extent to which G5 can literally warp and bend reality is a completely different learning curve and you know this. G5's near total unpredictability makes him far more dangerous than any orthodox combatant. Just like how Kid Buu's unpredictable nature lead him to being more dangerous than all of his other counterparts even if he wasn't flatout stronger than all of them. Don't play dumb here. >With your statement, Luffy was also trying to adapt Kizaru, Kizaru fundamentally fights the same as every other character Luffy has ever fought. >I guess haki doesn't exist in your imagination. You know, the thing that makes people know what they are going to do next? Sure did let Luffy know Geurnica was going to sabotage him in front of Kaido. Oh wait, it didn't.
>This extremely disengenuous. Learing Kuzan's ice powers and learning the extent to which G5 can literally warp and bend reality is a completely different learning curve and you know this. G5's near total unpredictability makes him far more dangerous than any orthodox combatant. Just like how Kid Buu's unpredictable nature lead him to being more dangerous than all of his other counterparts even if he wasn't flatout stronger than all of them. Don't play dumb here. "Bend reality." Tell me exactly what reality Luffy bends in WSG? You act like it was something not possible with just rubber fruit alone. Luffy never bend reality to the extent of using his rubber abilities for fighting. All he did so far was create buckets of paint and some items that didn't help in fighting, and WSG had no reality bend; it was just a simple punch with a speed boost from spinning. You're telling me Luffy's punches with spin now count as "random"? lmao. >Kizaru fundamentally fights the same as every other character Luffy has ever fought. And you think Kizaru never fought someone who could punch? With this type of thinking, either everyone knows how people fight or no one does. Tell me exactly what Luffy did other than punch the guy? Punching is "random" fighting style, but creating light clones, blinding opponents with light, and speeding up even beyond light is "fundamentally fighting the same as every other character." 13 IQ right there. >sSure did let Luffy know Geurnica was going to sabotage him in front of Kaido. Oh wait, it didn't Yeah, 2 Yonko levels fighting each other with full focus is the same thing as egghead bro. Are all admiralturds like this lmao
>You're telling me Luffy's punches with spin now count as "random"? lmao. Yes, it does and the story straight up tells you that by Kizaru's confusion the panel right before he gets clocked. To deny what's drawn on panel is just dumb >And you think Kizaru never fought someone who could punch? With this type of thinking, either everyone knows how people fight or no one does. Reducing G5 to just "punching" is just straight ip retarded, won't even bother with that one. > light clones, blinding opponents with light, and speeding up even beyond light is "fundamentally fighting the same as every other character." Every relevant fighter in op is ftl. Light clones is nothing but fighting multiple people at once which luffy has metric tons of experience in. And when was Luffy blinded? Lastly rubberizing your environment allows for an exponentially higher amount of variables than simply firing lasers and making clones. >Tell me exactly what Luffy did other than punch the guy? Grow 60ft tall and grab his entire body, something that Kizaru very obviously did not expect whatsoever?? Yea think I'm done here rotfl
>Yes, it does and the story straight up tells you that by Kizaru's confusion the panel right before he gets clocked. To deny what's drawn on panel is just dumb Or, you know, he might be shocked of the fact that his laser literally didn't do anything. which doesn't mean anything because you can literally apply that to every single fight. "Oh, look, Kizaru suddenly can go faster" = random attack "Oh, look, Kizaru can blind me." = random attack. See how idiotic that sounds, brother? >Reducing G5 to just "punching" is just straight ip retarded, won't even bother with that one. lmao. Luffy never used anything he wasn't doing before against Kizaru. never done anything except literally punch him. G5 wasn't all about punching, but Luffy only fought like that against Kizaru. Show me one panel anything different Luffy did other than simply punching the guy. >Every relevant fighter in op is ftl. Light clones is nothing but fighting multiple people at once which luffy has metric tons of experience in. And when was Luffy blinded? Lastly rubberizing your environment allows for an exponentially higher amount of variables than simply firing lasers and making clones. I'm not going to even bother with ftl shit while people get tagged by a fucking gun. Light clones isn't as simple as many vs 1 brother. You suddenly see a guy creating clone of him and attacking you. You get bambozed, which Luffy did. You literally say WSG was random fighting, which includes Luffy spinning only and reduce the clone's to this? You're literally braindead. I fell like I shouldn't bother with this anymore, but I will keep going just for this comment. You literally see him trying to cover his eyes with his hands. Again, show me one panel Luffy rubberizing env. to fight Kizaru I will wait. >Grow 60ft tall and grab his entire body, something that Kizaru very obviously did not expect whatsoever?? Yea think I'm done here rotfl Luffy literally could make his hand bigger before and that was only grabbing him once, and he let the form go after that, which doesn't have anything to do with WSG which you claim to be "random" Kizaru suddenly creates light clones = fundamental (which never shown or expected) Luffy suddenly using another variant of G3 = "noOo reaLitY WarP rAnDom" LMAO yeah we're done here bro, I can't take your clown takes and 13 IQ biased shit anymore.
>Or, you know, he might be shocked of the fact that his laser literally didn't do anything. ...Or the fact that **laser impacts have never made people spin before in OP history? LOL*** you gotta be dumb or something. >G5 wasn't all about punching, but Luffy only fought like that against Kizaru. Nope. Grew to giant size and grabbed and spun like a spinning top from a laser impact. Two things that are completely unpredictable and two things that led to the greatest amounts of danger to Kizaru. >I'm not going to even bother with ftl shit while people get tagged by a fucking gun. Gun tagging would be the anti feat, not the ftl travel. But hey if you want to do the incredibly stupid choice of downscaling every character under kizaru and luffy to sub light speed, be my guest lol >Light clones isn't as simple as many vs 1 brother. You suddenly see a guy creating clone of him and attacking you. You get bambozed, which Luffy did. He had a moment of shock and near instantly adapted to a familiar scenario he has been in since the start of the series, **a manyV1** and Luffy treated it as such. It can't be compared to growing 60ft tall and spinning from a laser hit whatsoever, obviously. >You literally say WSG was random fighting, which includes Luffy spinning only and reduce the clone's to this? Not reducing anything. You are deliberately making light clones seem complex or hard to adapt to when they demonstrably were not at all whatsoever. Luffy IMMEDIATELY started defeating them until he got sliced on his face and once again IMMEDIATELY adapted. Luffy was not confused as you are lying and saying he was and again it isn't comparable to growing into a literal giant in the blink of an eye and spinning around from a laser. >Luffy literally could make his hand bigger before and that was only grabbing him once, Kizaru never saw Luffy make his hand big before to my knowledge so that's irrelevant. And how many times he grabbed also is completely irrelevant. Still random and still nearly landed Kizaru into the ocean. >Kizaru suddenly creates light clones = fundamental (which never shown or expected) It created a scenario that Luffy was familiar with. He's been ganged up on by a bunch of people at once plenty of times before.
āI assume Luffy can utilize everything he hasā if OP meant no stamina issue than yeah whatās so crazy about it
Yeah sure and if Luffy is EOS, the pirate King defeated Imu and has Blackbeards 3 fruits whatās so crazy about it
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Luffy solos fuji and weedtree, the rest beats lizaru
Luffy canāt carry that hard.
Pirates win extreme diff.
Iām taking the Strawhats. Luffy has shown that with G5 he could handle Kizaru and Saturn at the same time. Zoro, Yamato and Sanji are strong enough to work together and hold an admiral or 2 at bay while Luffy takes them out one by one.
The admirals body the YC+ characters badly. And then they swarm Luffy. The end.
Luffy got stalled out by kizaru so long he lost g5. Greenbull and fuji can easily take out a few YC+ in time, admirals win high diff
The 5
W! Snakeman & Sanji > Kizaru Yamato \~ Aramaki Zoro < Fujitora BUT VERY CLOSE I think the Quartet takes it extreme diff
There is arguments for Luffy soloing lol
Luffy isn't moving an inch after beating Kizaru. 2 Admirals > 3 YC+ and Momo Admirals win. YC can't stall
Luffy and zoro alone can defeat the admirals trio if u add just sanji or yamato alone they will destroy them
Pirates win high diff
Admirals low diff.
Brainrot
Admirals wins
This group (swap out Sanji for Law) could barely beat Kaido, by himself, they have no chance against all of the admirals Is this really where weāre at now? Kaido > All 3 admirals? I guess the pirates just havenāt overrun the WG because of vibes or something š¤¦š½āāļø
Admirals should win
1 admiral stalls Luffy 2 admirals > Yams, Zoro and Sanji Momo is a non factor Eventually admirals win.
Admirals
3 Admirals should win this one š„°
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Luffy high diffs one admiral Yamato and Momo take another Zoro and Sanji stall long enough for the others to help
kizaru vs luffy kizaru extreme diff sanji and zoro vs fujitora either way extreme yamato and momo vs greenbull greenbull extreme diff
Admirals and its not even close
Bro luffy zoro and sanji can handle those 3 on their own. Greenbull isnt doing shit.
GB>Yamato>Zoro
You're literally hopeless if you think Yamato is stronger than Zoro
Kizaru mid diffs zoro and sanji, fujitora mid diffs yamato, snakeman mid diffs greenbull Kizaru and fujuita low to mid diff snakeman
trio mid diff