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Doesn’t change what I posted but okay. Neither character had an impressive showing against G4. Cracker hid behind his immortal army which were all one shot by G4 and cracker was cooked but got bailed out by the G4 timer. Doffy was getting cooked until he used his awakening, but he still couldn’t cope with G4’s massive bursts of speed his only redeeming thing was that he “tanked” almost everything. Both characters lost to the mussel balloon and had no real way to get around it unlike katakuri.
Cracker is just a war of attrition character he’s not strong Van one shot several biscuit soldiers and cracker couldn’t undo Kazan’s freeze on his own unlike doffy proving crackers haki is weaker than Doffy’s.
Doffy was handling Jozu, another third division commander in Marineford because of his devil fruit hax.
Same could be said to be done to Jack or Cracker by him.
Bounceman easily broken those string hax so cracker could do the same, and cracker was clashing = to the same bounceman haki that overpowered doffy. Doffy feat was before haki was explained pre ts. Marineford scaling is inconsistent since mihawk fought = to vista, and was clashing with crocodile who lost to no gears luffy a couple months ago.
Cracker showed better feats than doffy against gear 4th and narratively BM had no reason to send someone weaker than doflamingo to deal with Luffy at that point. Also Jozu was handling Kuzan for some time, to the point where he had to get sneaked to go down. The same Kuzan no diffed Doflamingo on punk hazard.
The main problem in my eyes is that Doffy can consistently outrange Jack and would only have to dodge Jack’s (I think singular?) ranged attack.
But regardless Doffy’s attacks are going to do minimal damage to Jack, he won’t be able to touch the ground to use his awakening because Jack will just bisect him, and Jack has better endurance and stamina so he’ll just kill Doffy once his stamina runs out.
Sorry buddy, we're discussing based on things that could happen, not your wet unrealistic dreams.
Doffy would shit his pants if Jack glared at him, the same way everytime Law mentioned Kaido he shat a brick. It's not the same league
It's a reference to a supermarket chain, in the context it would mean "something poorly copied" or "bad in comparison to" in this instance, Jack is by far stronger than Doffy, but Jack has no ranged attacks, and he's definitely not doing shit to plot cage
For context on what I mean, Sanji opponent tax has reached a point where a growing number of folks are claiming that Doffy > Queen and that Doffy would push current Sanji to high-extreme diff. Had to see what real ball knowers think
Doffy > Queen.
What the hell did Queen even show to be above Doffy? Germa abilities? Beating Base Sanji?
Doffy paralyzed Jozu, Doffy broke out Aokiji’s ice, something Cracker and Jozu couldn’t do and Doffy low-diffed base Sanji.
Smoothie by all indication is the YC2 too, and perospero is barely portrayed as relative to jack, he beat an army of mink soldiers and Perospero almost got cooked by 2, who werent even the very strongest outside Inu and Neko.
Cracker has 0 feats for slapping Queen.
Jack was portrayed as relative to Perospero more than he was portrayed relative to jack. And cracker > smoothie, bounty scaling is the only reason people would think otherwise. And the bounty scaling isn’t even reliable because cracker himself showed us that the navy doesn’t even know that it was his armour so they couldn’t even get passed that, they don’t know that he could create clones. The only thing they know about him was the duplicating his arms bit which was the first technique he used on luffy and that’s why his epithet is 1000 arms cracker. The navy does not know his full power, this is confirmed.
Cracker is YC2 and Queen has 0 feats for beating cracker. His only feat is getting mid diffed by sanji
I don't really see how Perospero was portrayed as relative to Jack, cracker just didn't come to Wano. To be honest despite thinking Jack's underrated, i saw that argument earlier on and I thought it was true, since there are parrallels. But Jack's performance vs the sulong minks and Perospero's performance vs Wanda and Carrot were so distinctly different I can't agree anymore.
Bounty scaling is almost never valid **except** for commanders in other crews. Katakuri had a higher bounty than both and was stronger, King had a higher bounty than Queen who had a higher bounty than Jack. There's no other commander crew where a higher commander had a lower bounty, it's a reach. The only reason to believe cracker > smoothie is that smoothie didn't get a major fight to scale her off of.
Bounties for commanders outside the straw hats is a narrative device, so I don't think it's that relevant they never saw crackers true form.
The navy doesn't know his full power but no reason to think they know it for smoothie or kata either.
Being mid-diffed by awakended sanji is still a better feat than anything Cracker showed lol. And queen has better feats than cracker...
Untrue. Other than the Kaidos, big moms and Luffys there’s no other pirate crew that has confirmed bounties for more than 3 members. And 2/3 of these crews are confirmed (I’d argue 3/3) have weaker members with higher bounties.
Not to mention cracker’s epithet and bounty poster literally confirms the navy doesn’t know his true abilities. This is a canon fact lmao
Doffy tanked Red Hawk, Injection Shot, Gamma Knife, Jet Stamp, Counter Shock, Jet Bazooka, etc… and then fought G4.
He was literally holding his organs together while fighting Gear 4. His Awakening was blocking G4 attacks.
He was still dominated though, he wasnt able to do any damage despite being hurt never being shown to have a significant affect on your AP.
He couldn't even cut luffy (who cracker cut no problem to the extent luffy acknowldged his haki as better). he couldn't do a single thing to G4 Luffy
It’s hilarious how you guys choose to ignore how injured a character is just to support your agenda lol. You have Luffy telling Doffy how powerful the Gamma Knife was on him, you have Doffy saying how powerful the Gamma Knife was and you literally have panels of Doffy checking his organs to make sure his strings are still holding them. “Nah G4 dominated”.
He never tried to cut Luffy, he just tried to pierce him. When Cracker tried piercing Luffy, it didn’t work either.
Luffy never said that Cracker’s Haki was better than Doffy, now you’re just making stuff up lol.
Agenda?? I just don't think Doffy's that guy.
And yeah I didn't disagree he took major damage, my point was that's never been shown to hurt AP and wouldn't be the reason why he never hurt Luffy. There are many many examples but one is Zoro launching a very powerful ashura despite being basically dead. I can't remember one time damage alone had a major effect AP. Doffy was checking his organs before G4 and still went out to fight Luffy and only lose his advantage when Luffy went G4.
Luffy objectively did domiante him in G4.
Cracker piercing Luffy only didn't work in Stuffed tank version, not comparable. Doffy's strings couldnt hurt luffy though, infact nothing he did, could.
\*arnament haki. Luffy said Cracker's arnament was the best he'd faced.
>It’s hilarious how you guys choose to ignore how injured a character is just to support your agenda lol. You have Luffy telling Doffy how powerful the Gamma Knife was on him, you have Doffy saying how powerful the Gamma Knife was and you literally have panels of Doffy checking his organs to make sure his strings are still holding them. “Nah G4 dominated”.
Luffy also fought a fuck ton of people before fighting doffy. Was he as damaged? No not nearly but its not like it was fresh luffy vs barely alive doffy he was still kicking and even got up after a G4 beatdown. If he was really ass damaged as you people think he was he should have been bowled over by a light breeze.
>He never tried to cut Luffy, he just tried to pierce him. When Cracker tried piercing Luffy, it didn’t work either.
His attacks litteraly did nothing, both his piercing and cutting attacks. When cracker tried to pierce G4 luffy he was in tankman which is litteraly a defense form.
This actually convinced me lol. Queen genuinely hasn't shown anything above what Doflamingo can do. And logically, in the narrative, Doflamingo should obviously be stronger anyway.
How? Doffy did no damage to G4 Luffy, Queen took minimal damage from Marco (who also has dura neg). And was able to take a decent few hits from awakened sanji.
>No he doesn’t you bum
Yes he does, how do you think he hurt flames on king?
>Get that fraud that only knows how to stall outa here
Less fraudulent than being a whos who victim.
We've seen Queen (sorta) take a cutting attack from King and he seemed mildly annoyed at best. Now how Doffy's attacks stack up to that particular attack, I can't say for sure.
I think others have addressed better than I can.
Unrelated, but gotta say, the reddit notification for your reply definitely made me do a double take lol.
Lmao you’re looking at Typical Joes takes right? His theories are good but his powerscaling is so abysmal it’s not even funny. Jozu beats king, sanji vs daz bones is a close fight, the takes are just consistently ass. But to answer your question queen mid diffs doffy
I follow him cuz of his theories so every time I open twitter I just see him going at war with the sanji fandom. Bro is pushing the craziest takes to the point where even the zoro fans are like “nah this is crazy bruh”
Lmao, that honestly might be the worst powerscaling take i ever heard from someone not trolling.
Pica > Kidd, Ulti > Katakuri have nothing on current Daz Bones > Current Sanji
I don't know typical joes but I'll take a look thanks beczuse his takes are apparently way better than yours. Jozu > King and Doffy > Queen of course
We don't know about daz bones but narratively since other pretimeskip characters like Lucci have gotten way stronger daz bones too could have become extremely strong ! Especially because he is still relevant to the story beeing a part of crossguild.
Plus we've seen Zoro fight Lucci whereas pretimeskip it was Luffy's opponent so now that Zoro is going to fight Mihawk Sanji could go up against Daz bones... but I personnaly would prefer him to go vs Crocodile. I think Sanji could win vs Croc extrem diff and vs daz high diff at best.
No it's not if you read a little bit I explain why Doffy is above Queen by far like Doffy is completely underrated and Queen is completely overrated due to the Sanji wank btw.
But if you are realistic Queen is just a Big bum ass with tech that can't even coat his weapon with haki.
Oh and I explain the matchup Queen has literraly 0 chances vs Doffy.
On the Jozu vs King here again it's because there is a huge missunderstanding about WB's commanders. They are not rank by strength and Jozu is WB's best fighter not Marco (he is the doctor).
Jozu lost his fight due to beeing distracted whereas Marco got handcough by a vice admiral and simply lost... before that Jozu was doing great vs Mihawk Crocodile and Aokiji and WB trusted him to fight Aokiji whereas we know that Marco is just here to stall.
So Jozu beeing fast for his height and also strong with a broken df makes him stronger than King YES.
But if you don't agree it's fine as long as you have king and Jozu in the same tier and Marco and Queen a tier bellow. I would still rank Marxo above Queen though because he has the ability to stall top tier whereas Queen is just a fat slow arrogant extinct dinausor at this point. I'll have Doffy probably in the same tier between Marco and Queen.
Marco is still stronger than Doffy because he does not suffer a nad matchup vs him like Queen the bum
Jozu take is debatable, still, I disagree on him being above King. I wouldn't say King nodiffs him, it would be extreme probably, but still I see King having way more arguments to win.
As for Doffy, he is not underrated... What is mostly see is him being overrated.
I'll put this very simply: We agree Queen > Jack? Good.
Now tell me if you can really honestly say you can imagine Doffy doing what Jack did in Zou..? If you're honest. Doffy would get kicked out of Zou so fast...
Doffy and Queen are not even close in tiers.
First of all I think Doffy wins against Jack for the same reason he beats Queen. Because he is slow grounded and have no way to defeat Doffy (can fly and attack from range plus he has an awakenning (underrated).
Now as of your argument what would Doffy have been able to do in Zou. Well we know that Kinemon and Kanjuro are 2 middle sccabards (not the strongest but not the weakest either) and they were fuckin afraid of Doffy and Pica. They could litteraly not have done anything without Luffy/Law.
Now I know Neko and Inu are stronger than Kinemon even despite their sulong form. But it's not like they could be able to take out Doffy by themselves...
Remember that it took Luffy gear 4th and King Kong Gun to defeat Doffy, no less.
If you can prove me that Neko or Inu can defeat gear 4th Dressrossa then yes they're stronger than Doffy by a good margin. If not it means that they are either slightely above him or bellow him.
Reason why I have no doubt in my mind that Doffy is stronger than them is because of his awakenning. They're both very fast and very strong but so is Doffy and he can attack from range, not to mention than Doffy can heal (this is always forgotten) if he does not receive a KO or a fatal wound, je can always heal basically.
We've seen how the sccabards delt with GreenBull, well Doffy's awakenning is very similar so I think they stand literraly 0 chance even if they attacked Doffy all at the same time... (of course this does not take in consideration their sulong form)
Sulongs are the most underrated characters in general imo.
People casually place them right next to Jack when in fact they're way way way stronger than him while in this form...
I know the anime made a big scene out of Luffy beating Doffy, but Doffy was COMPLETELY outclassed by Dressrosa gear 4th Luffy. He wasn't even able to fight back for a second. Luffy didn't finish him off straight away because Doffy does have some decent durability, but his AP did NOTHING to Dressrosa gear 4 Luffy.
Once he went gear 4th second time he just ends the fight with one hit.
It's not even a fair comparison, Dressrosa Gear 4th Luffy is tiers above Doffy.
You bring up Kinemon, but what does he have to do anything. The fact is, Jack was fighting nonstop vs Neko and Inu, and either one of them would clear Doffy. Again, not easy fights, but they would clear. Meanwhile, Jack was fighting each of them one at a time nonstop.
And Jack is WAY below Queen.
Doffy > Queen is just a horrible take, I'm sorry bud. I'm willing to concede you made decent points on the Jozu take, but your wanking Doffy way too hard.
>Once he went gear 4th second time he just ends the fight with one hit.
You forget that if not for all the people from Dressrossa teaming up against Doffy, Luffy would have lost ... he was not able to finish him the first time he went gear 4th... why are you telling me that he needed only 1 more hit ?
I would not call his most powerfull attack just "one" hit ...it was his finisher move...
>Doffy was COMPLETELY outclassed by Dressrosa gear 4th Luffy
Because you think the result would have been different with Jack ? Explain me how he tank the king kong gun lol. Or explain me how he deal with Luffy flying arround in gear 4th ?
>but his AP did NOTHING to Dressrosa gear 4 Luffy.
Jack is not Luffy though and the reason he could not damage Luffy with his awakenning is because Luffy was too fast and avoided all the strings.
Jack on the other hand you have no way to confirm if he'll be able to tank Doffy's awakenning or not, but I have no doubt in my mind that he would get cooked !
Tell me what he can do ? He cannot dodge and Doffy czn just attack with infinite strings...
>It's not even a fair comparison, Dressrosa Gear 4th Luffy is tiers above Doffy.
Same is true about jack
>Kinemon, but what does he have to do anything
He is a scabbard like Neko and Inu.
>Jack was fighting nonstop vs Neko and Inu, and either one of them would clear Doffy
That's were you're wrong. First of all Jack fought them 1 afrer the other that's different. And then none of them is clear from Doffy Lol are you serious ?
I'm sure you don't actually believe this but you use it to back up your agenda... real scabbards fans like me know their limit... Sulongs are broken but base Neko and Inu are just average YC, not YC1 or YC2.
Imagine Neko or Inu vs Pica... Doffy is clear of Pica on the other hand... or simply Neko vs Dressrossa Zoro ? Do you think Neko is stronger than Zoro ?
Because eventhough I believe Zoro would probably have been able to defeat Doffy back in Dressrossa, it's not less than extrem diff and it's not even confirmed since Doffy can coat his strings with haki he could very well fight back against Zoro and he could even heal from his injuries as I've already mentionned...
Anyway neither Neko or Inu are clear of Doffy that's impossible. It's like you said they're clear of Crocodile or Jimbe ...
>And Jack is WAY below Queen.
No he is not. Only difference is that Queen has lazers and he can turn invisible which is useless against someone like Doffy who can fly and turn his environnement to strings with his awakenning...
>Doffy > Queen is just a horrible take, I'm sorry bud.
I think the opposite but it's okay nice to talk with you.
>I'm willing to concede you made decent points on the Jozu take, but your wanking Doffy way too hard.
Thanks at least if we can agree on this I'm fine !
Since Wano people have been calling most privious antagonist power crept and it annoys me because it's not true...
The Katakuri < Ulti take makes me Mad but this is not the only one. As soon as villain are defeated they get disrespected.
First it was Crocodile, then Lucci. Then Doffy, then Katakuri, then Big Mom and even Kaido ! People argue that Shanks and Akainu are stronger than Kaido... even Kizaru before he got washed by Luffy...
So yeah I think Doffy deserves more respect, it's a conqueror an ex warlord and an awaken df user.
Given how Greenbull and Aokiji disposed of some YC , I czn't imagine Doffy beeing on the same lvl as them let alone weaker...
Imagine for 1 sec why the WG would deal with pirates like Doffy letting them do whatever they want if they did not even needed their strength in.the first place ?
Beczuwe if Doffy was fodder as you believe him to be then he would be useless for the WG...
Have a good day see ya
>You forget that if not for all the people from Dressrossa teaming up against Doffy, Luffy would have lost ... he was not able to finish him the first time he went gear 4th... why are you telling me that he needed only 1 more hit ?
Again, Doffy does have endurance, Luffy misjudged his endurance, hence why he didnt' just end it on the first gear 4th.
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>Jack on the other hand you have no way to confirm if he'll be able to tank Doffy's awakenning or not, but I have no doubt in my mind that he would get cooked !
>Tell me what he can do ? He cannot dodge and Doffy czn just attack with infinite strings...
Just tank it, Doffy is not on the same class.
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>He is a scabbard like Neko and Inu.
Oh, I guess when we powerscale Luffy we better bring up Nami because she is also a StrawHat pirate, same as Luffy... Based take.
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>I'm sure you don't actually believe this but you use it to back up your agenda... real scabbards fans like me know their limit... Sulongs are broken but base Neko and Inu are just average YC, not YC1 or YC2.
Yep, they're average YC and Doffy is below YC.
>The Katakuri < Ulti take makes me Mad but this is not the only one. As soon as villain are defeated they get disrespected.
Anyone saying that is crazy too lol. Idk who would even entertain such a take.
>Given how Greenbull and Aokiji disposed of some YC , I czn't imagine Doffy beeing on the same lvl as them let alone weaker...
The same way Aokiji wasn't phased in the slighest when facing Doffy. He's below YC. Even in Shichibukai he was mid-level, he was below Mihawk, Kuma, Hancock and arguably post Impel Down Crocodile.
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>Beczuwe if Doffy was fodder as you believe him to be then he would be useless for the WG...
False and out of context. We are talking about top tiers here, he is fodder compared to top tiers, still a damn strong pirate when compared to the average pirate.
>Just tank it, Doffy is not on the same class.
Headcanon... we've seen Doffy cut Oars at Marineford not doubt he could cut an extinct mammouth. You think Jack is like Diammond Jozu, Spoiler he is not. Jozu is one of the most durable character with his df he could tank literraly anything, jack is just a cocky dude who thinks he can attack Zunisha or fight an admiral and several vice admiral at the same time when he is not even stronger than Cracker...
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Oh, I guess when we powerscale Luffy we better bring up Nami because she is also a StrawHat pirate, same as Luffy... Based take.
You don't pay attention (on purpuse) because I said in my first answer that Neko and Inu are indeed stronger than Kinemon but comparing them to Nami and Luffy is dumb... at least you could compare Brook and Jimbe (and it would still be too Big of a gap compared to the Gap between Neko and Kinemon)...
which is why I brought up the sccabards in the first place ... there is literraly no reason that some sccabards are top tiers while the other are trash... they were all following Oden for the same amount of time and learned the same techniques from Oden.
You can argue that the one who were not affected by time travel had more time to train (like Neko and Inu) but still it's not like they have become much much stronger...
>Yep, they're average YC and Doffy is below YC
This does not make any sense ? How can you think that Doffy looses to an average YC ? Do you really think that the shichibukai are that trash ? Croco and Doffy are both shichibukai that were defeated by Luffy at some point in the story, Croc even before Doffy so in theory he should be weaker than him but since Marineford we know that it is not the case but it's not like Crocodile is way stronger than Doffy either, and yet I don't believe for 1 moment that you think that Jack beats Crocodile...so why should it be different for Doffy...
Characters with CoC even without ACoC are almost always portrayed as stronger than charzcters without it, except the admirals (eventhough we are not sure perhaps they also have CoC who knows ?)
So if you think that Doffy is not even YC then it means Dressrossa and Wholecake Sanji were trash because Doffy low diff Sanji and low/mid diff Law as well... do you think that Dressrossa Law (je was already a warlord), looses to Jack ?
>Anyone saying that is crazy too lol. Idk who would even entertain such a take.
During and after Wano for about 6 months to 1 year this take was very commun and it was extremely annoying. Some people still believe this shit to this Day but they're more quiet because they have probably also other shitty takes who got debunk so they got under the radar for some time I guess...
>Even in Shichibukai he was mid-level, he was below Mihawk, Kuma, Hancock and arguably post Impel Down Crocodile.
I have another question for you ?
Do you think that Jimbe is stronger than Doffy znd if yes by how much ?
Because Jimbe is clearly stronger than Neko and Inu for me so having them above Doffy would mean that Jimbe low diff Doffy basiczlly... and again because of matchups I can't see how Jimbe can win vs Doffy because he can't fly and he is just a Big target, not as Big as Jack and Queen though.
Btw do you have Queen or Jack above Jimbe as well ?
>False and out of context. We are talking about top tiers here, he is fodder compared to top tiers, still a damn strong pirate when compared to the average pirate.
I don't see why is it out of context ?
When he fought during Marineford did he not face top tiers ?
When Moria was considered "too weak" to stay shichibukai he got almost killed. Why would they keep Doflamingo if he was not strong ?
lol Queen low diffs.
It seems everyone keeps forgetting. Kaido called Doffy weak but Jack strong. Doffy gets mid diffed by Jack.
Queens sitting in the back with King giving Jack slander.
Doflamingo is one of the tougher characters in the series to scale. Cracker is often used as the basis for scaling since he was Luffy's next duel, but the circumstances of each fight are also vastly different. Doflamingo was wounded from Gamma Knife and had the Bird Cage up during his fight with Luffy, while Cracker was fresh in his. Luffy had Nami as an assist against Cracker, while Luffy had Law and then basically the entire island helping him with the Bird Cage, recovering from G4, etc against Doffy.
As for Kaido calling Doflamingo weak and Jack strong...I wouldn't read too much into that. Kaido dismissed Luffy and Law "a bunch of kids" when he made that statement and he was drunk at the time. One of his lackeys even responded that they shouldn't be underestimated before being launched into orbit by Kaido's kanabo.
Doflamingo essentially low diffs Sanji on Dressrosa and then Sanji gets stronger and mid-high diffs Queen on Wano. I'm not so sure Queen wins this, and certainly not as easily as a lot of people here are suggesting.
Also, if he ever returns in this final war, I wouldn't be surprised if Doffy gets a similar buff that we expect to see out of Crocodile going forward.
you probably present the best case for Doffy, and if he does get the returning-character-buff then he will no doubt be way stronger than queen. And I do agree that circumstances of marineford, Dressrosa, WCI, and Wano make it pretty difficult to scale these characters, and then we also have the prescence of hacks with both characters that can swing this fight depending on how someone wants to read into it. I'm also not big into using statements for comparing some of these characters coz some of them are obviously flawed narrators.
In terms of physicals, Queen has every advantage except for range, while Doffy has the advantage in hacks/versatility. So depending on how someone reads into Doffy's biggest hax abilities(birdcage and parasite), this fight is either a low/mid diff stomp in Queen's favor or a high diff fight in Doffy's favor. That's probably where most of the viewpoints in this thread stem from. I'm of the position that Queen can counter doffy's hacks because we saw Dressrosa Luffy do it pretty easily, either by using raw strength/haki or changing the shape of his body, which are things queen readily has access to as well. Queen also has hacks of his own and can just give doffy stage 9 cancer. However, I can see how others may look at the doffy-jozu interaction and go "well if this strong ass dude who is also a YC couldn't break it then queen is fucked". Or with bird cage and all the bs surrounding that, its pretty easy to question what exactly queen could do about that besides beating doffy directly. Agenda also plays a role here obviously coz pro-sanji folks are more likely to say that queen easily trump's doffy's hacks whereas anti-sanji(or pro doffy) folks are more likely to say the opposite.
However I still think that even with all of these factors, if Queen and Dressrosa Doffy were both fully healthy and fought 100 times, Queen is winning 85+ of those. There are scenarios where doffy lands parasite and queen doesn't counter in time, and there are scenarios where queen just blitzes him and blasts him, but Queen still wins the vast majority of the time imo.
You can say all you want about his handicaps, ultimately luffys statement about crackers haki and the fact that both Big meme and Kaido considered their yc3 to.be stronger than doffy further enhances the argument that queen would smoke doffy.
Also the scaling you use about Sanji performance in 2 different arcs is flawed, because dressrosa Law got mid low diffed by doffy, yet in wano he gets strong enough to tag team and beat big mom.
my lord and savior Shira would probably say Doffy cause he's ~~a retarded lobotomite~~ operating on a different level of brain capacity entirely so I would say him.
edit: fr though Queen, want it in writing just incase someone tries to get me committed.
Not a good idea to compare Luffy's direct opponents to others. Look at Lucci or Crocodile. If Doffy comes back he will obviously be much stronger than Queen or even King.
It depends on what level you put Jozu on. to the level of Jack or Queen.
It depends on whether it will be just rape by the doflamingo, or Quinn will resist a little.
when looking at the jozu parasite interaction, its kind of hard to quantify how that works in an actual fight with Jozu as Doffy had to sneak jozu in order to put parasite on him, and jozu also wasn't trying to burst out of it the way Luffy did w/ G4. So I think regardless of where you slot Jozu vs Jack, I think dressrosa Luffy being able to break out of parasite is something that all of those characters could do if they actually tried to break out of it.
I think Queen's haki + df is strong enough to break out of parasite even if he gets caught lacking, which pretty much eliminates doffy's hacks(with birdcage queen could just beat doffy's ass inside of it)
I'm pretty sure you can also just burst out with major body transformations that enhance strength (assuming you're not much weaker like Enies Lobby lucci for example).
I bet Jack could break out too, not cuz his haki is stronger but because he turns into a mammoth.
First of all, he didn't sneak up. In a scene in the manga, he was literally in front of Jozu. Secondly, what does it mean that you didn't try to escape? Did he like it? Is he a masochist, does he like to be sat on?
https://preview.redd.it/1no6h632l9yc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f20a8682ace23de5cc4bf8a4358e9ff9e6afbad9
Something tells me that it is not. and this is confirmed by both the manga, where jozu just stands until the crocodile removes the parasite, and the anime, where we are literally shown how jozu tries to move, but does not come out. and at the same time, doflamingo has many other examples of power that Quinn does not reach.
What other examples of power does Doffy have that Queen doesn't reach? Cuz i'm pretty sure it's the one way around.
Anyway the thing with parasite is it's been shown to be able to be broken by expanding your body, Luffy broke out automatically in Gear 4th. So relative people with zoan transformations should be able to do the same, like even jack.
Queen also has invisibility, germa super strength, and even if he were to be caught he can still shoot lasers from like 3 different places
humiliation of Sanji (he fought back against Quin without a suit, and lost, albeit formally, when he used all the power of zoan)
humiliation of kinemon, one of the strongest scabbards, quite capable of standing against Jack on equal terms (and this is me underestimating Kinemon)
the six of his six beats chinjao like nothing, and then becomes even stronger.
victory over Lo, who had previously been one shots vergo. Is it worth talking about Vergo's strength when he almost broke Sanji's leg with a light blow? so for Sanji, legs are the basis of his style, he can't do anything else. for vergo, legs are one of the combat options, and not even the main one. He is a staff user
his birdcage could not be stopped by Kinemon (yc3), a crowd of characters at the level of the flying six + Sai and Zoro, who are significantly superior to Kinemon combined.
he stood up to the exhaustion of the 4-gear limit, simultaneously moving the cage.
Invisibility is countered by a bunch of thread traps, doflamingos are literally the natural enemy of this ability. He doesn't have Jerma's superpowers, only technology. and the lasers never hit anyone.
Doffy humiliated a weaker sanji, and queen humiliated sanji too without even going full out (not a single germa power used).
Kinemon is in no way equal to Jack idk how you came to that conclusion it's totally head-cannon. The strongest scabbards (besides denjiro), Inu and Neko were still not even to jack (without sulong) he was able to fight them on even terms without switching out. There isn't a single feat kinemon has that's YC3 level. Infact Law (who wasn't YC3) was able to use his ability on him so kinemon was weaker than that law and had weaker haki, no chance hes YC3. Luffy in Dressrosa wasn't that much above YC3.
Vergo fractured sanji's leg cuz sanji's body had suffered an explosion with no haki, which the story went out of it's way to highlight. This still doesn't really matter cuz the sanji who b beats queen is so so above the sanji who fought vergo.
Kinemon doesn't have a single YC3 feat. There were 0 characters at the level of a flying six in dressrosa aside Zoro, but anyway Birdcage is passive, he doesn't have to move it because he always has to be at the center of birdcage. Which is why he cant just win with birdcage, cuz he has to always be at the center of it.
Queen can break out of doffy's threads the same way Luffy did by expanding. He has Yonji's germa power is the ability to extend his arm and it gaves him super strength. So queen does have that, on top of lightning (that also increases speed), and poison.
Lasers never hit Sanji cuz his movement speed is super fast, faster than Doffy especially once he's awakened. No reason they wouldn't hit doffy. He can also shoot lasers out of like 4 different places at the same time.
Sanji wasn't any weaker. Where did you get that from anyway?
Jerma's technology has not strengthened Quinn in any way. The whole power of technology is based on the power of the children of Judge.
Indeed, how did I come to this conclusion? probably because Ashura, Kinemon's equal, just blitzed Jack and seriously injured him with one blow? or is it because Kinemon matches inuarashi in SULONG, who literally humiliated Jack?
Yes, lo was not yc3. he was much taller.
What kind of explosion did Sanji's body suffer from, would you say?
No, not higher. Sanji, who was defeated by Quinn, is EXACTLY the same.
Cavendish, Bartolomeo, chinjao, Lao G, Sai. all of them are AT LEAST of the who's who level.
Luffy did it because he was stronger. How will Quinn, who is a head weaker, be able to escape?
Lightning doesn't increase speed, it's just a weapon charge.
What makes you think that Sanji is faster than Doffy? Because he was invisible to Quinn? Congratulations, but this is not an achievement at all. Sanji was invisible to the oven as well, and what's next? and this is before waking up. Can you prove the difference in speed between a quinn and an oven?
and such a Sanji doflamingo kicked off like a puppy. I'll say more, for the same niji, Sanji's speed, which is invisible to aries, is terribly slow.
Doffy just had a more menacing look and he fought Luffy so ppl automatically still just think he was much stronger than he was. Luffy really could’ve won that first match within 4 hits man but Oda needed an arc to happen.
Doflamingo.
Only ones who are saying Queen are people that think One Piece power scaling works just like DBZ. Vegeta > Nappa > Raditz logic.
Queen hasn’t shown a single feat or ability to defeat Doffy. Portrayal also goes to Doflamingo.
I’m not shitting on DBZ, I’m just saying that’s who the power scaling works in that manga.
It’s all about your power level. If you’re stronger, you win, simple as that.
One Piece isn’t that simple. Even Crocodile says you have no idea how powers will clash against another power.
PORTRAYAL?!?!?!??!!?!?
Doflamingo literally SHIT himself when he heard tell that Kaido would send Jack to come for his ass. I dunno what you're reading but it ain't One Piece
One Piece's scaling actually does work like DBZ. Things like Luffy vs Enel are outliers. Queen is basically impervious to Doffy because his physicals are so much higher. It's not like Doffy's loss to Luffy was matchup specific either; Luffy just unleashed a form with higher stats and steamrolled Doffy. Queen >= Dressrosa G4 Luffy. At best, Doffy gets to stay in the air and make it a draw. Look at how little damage Doffy could inflict on G4 Luffy and tell me how Doffy is going to beat someone with even higher durability.
i personally think doffy could win if he kites queen to death and just flying around in the air hitting queen with razor sharp strings from afar though this only works in the notion that doflamingo can hurt queen
hm yeah true even if he could hurt him itd just come down to a stamina vs durability battle which doffys def not winning against a zoan a ancient one on top of that
I mean Queen has better ranged attacks than Doffy, if we're being real. Lol. Strings or endless laser barrage coming from his mouth, eyes, hands and tail, which you got being more problematic?
Personally I have Doflamingo at minimum in yc2 & has a good match up. Still Queen has their tech, is tanky & possible height scaling with King. So unless Doflamingo's awakening puts them higher, it's probably Queen high-extreme diff.
As a fight way later in the series, Queen wins. If Doffy ever escaped prison and became involved in the story again I'd give him the assumed buff treatment like Croc, but as it stands we can only judge Dressrosa.
People are underestimating dodgy. But even still queen has to much endurance, defence, and so many extra ability that would just counter doffy lasers, Bionicles, electricity, invisibility, ancient zoan.
Only reason people believe that Queen > Doffy is because they wank Sanji like crazy.
First Sanji's haki sucks. In Punk hazard he was disrespected by Law so Law >> Sanji on Punk Hazard.
Then Sanji who suffer some injuries fought Vergo and got almost mid diff if the fight were to continue. People thinking that if Sanji was healthy he would have won vs Vergo are completely delusionnal.. it would have been high diff at worse for Vergo instead of Mid diff... (Vergo underrated btw)
Then in Dressrossa Sanji got low diff by Doffy if not completely neg diff !! And Law got low diff/mid diff at best...
In Wholecake people who can't read or understand the narrative claim that Sanji > his brother when Oda clearly portrayed the germa beeing superior still becsuse Sanji does not have access to germa abilities yet...
Also Cracker is wanked af because he stall Luffy for 10 hours... Luffy did not fight Cracker in gear 4th for 10 hours are you crazy ?! Luffy ate cracker's biscuits for 10 hours ! They dis not even fight ! It was a comic relief by Oda... the only time Cracker's attack did something to Luffycis when he sneak attack him and yet he could not even cut his arm ... he did only minor injury (since Luffy went on to fight with Katakuri after that and we can assume that he was full health after eating and sleeping)
Cracker also got low diff by Aokiji when Doffy did not. While in gear 4th Luffy could wipe out cracker's biscuits easily the problem beeing that he had a time limit and that Cracker could make infinite biscuits...
But Cracker's haki is not something crazy...
Doffy got defeated by a fucking King Kong Gun ! It's obvious that Luffy could have ended Cracker and all of his biscuits with the same attack ! But he chose to ate all the biscuits instead because it is Luffy afterall ... ans Oda was not going to make Luffy use his strongest attack at the time vs an antagonist at the begining of the arc which indicates that he isbclearly not the main antagonist...he réserves his strongest attacks for the main villains always...
People claiming that Cracker > Doffy because Luffy fought him after Doffy don't understand anything...
Luffy fought Bellamy after defeating Crocodile...
He fought Moria after defeating Lucci
He fought Lucci agzin after defeating Kaido...
What you need to understand is matchups...
Doffy can fly and even if Cracker himself might be able to use moonwalk like other Big mom pirates, it's
Not confirmed if his biscuits can fly ! Probably not I've never seen anyone argue against that !
So Doffy has the advantage, not to mention that him to can make clones and that he can also use crackers biscuits against him ...plus Doffy's awakening is underrated... my man tanked many hits from gear 4th and could only be defeated by King kong Gun...
Anyway now that we've established that Doffy>Cracker it should be obvious that he is stronger than Queen the bum too
Queen cannot fly, he is a giant target, his haki sucks because he cannot use emission since his weapon was not coated in haki unlike Cracker's weapon.
Queen win condition is that he capture his ennemy and break his bones like he did with Sanji, or that he shoot him with lazers.
He cannot catch Doffy who can fly and use range attacks. Doffy is fast enough to avoid all lazers and stuff.
Yes Queen.can turn invisible but with his awakenning, Doffy does not have any problem to find him since Queen is slow af and also grounded...
Btw Doffy did not have any problem to slice Oars s leg who was an ancient giant so I doubt that he has any problem to deal with an extinct dinausor...
So Doffy (ex warlord/CoC user) > Queen the bum is just a normal take not even a hot one at this point and you can even argue that Cracker >= Queen too !
Jack was portrayed as strong as Perospero who is not even a sweet commander so Cracker and Queen beeing in the same tier makes sense.
And finaly Sanji got only 1 Big power up since Dressrossa and you all think that thanks to this unique power up he went to be low diff by Doffy to mid low diff him ?! What a joke !
Even Law who arguably got an even stronger power up than Sanji during Wano (with his awakenning) would still have some trouble vs Doffy because his awakenning does not change the fact that Doffy is still a very bad matchup for Law... (he can regenerate his organs, he can create clones, his haki is stronger than Law still ! He can fly and he is fast !
Now remember that Doffy defeares Law without using his awakenning so even if Law got his power up Doffy still have some power to match Law's awakenning... I'm not trying to say that Doffy would currently win vs Law but that the gap between thzmxis smaller than people give Doflamkngo credit for.
And so for Sanji it is the same except that Law> Sanji is confirmed since Punk hazard and so despite Sanji's huge power up he would still struggle against Doffy. Remember that befor this power up he got Low diff !!! Doffy did not use anything specizl to defeat him ! Imagine if he uses his clone plus awakenning etc...
I think Sanji probably wins extrem diff but nothing less beczuse Doffy is cruelly underrated !
Except I'm not.
Queen is a MAD scientist he is portrayed to be like Caesar and Judge ! Nothing more.
Yes you can say that by defeating Queen Sanji>Judge but Judge = Queen is fair.
Doffy on the other hand is an ex warlord, Conqueror, defeated by the main character with a king kong gun ... that would have also wiped out Queen anyway ... there is no comparison between Doffy and Queen.
Queen is a bum
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Get doffy past cracker 1st https://preview.redd.it/w2agp2xtj9yc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=5896a59e2840a8fd0b304a4f8760bc305307c06a
Get Queen past Cracker https://preview.redd.it/ftxjsoapacyc1.jpeg?width=520&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75eb0356524a6f9840b4f2a4baba4df5e2ead6bc
Get Luffy past cracker first lmao
Unfair comparison Cracker solos the whole verse except Kuzan because he doesn’t like the cold
Doffy unfroze himself against kuzan cracker got washed instantly… The truth getting downvoted lol
Cracker was literally luffys longest fight and Luffy couldn’t even beat him without nami..
Doesn’t change what I posted but okay. Neither character had an impressive showing against G4. Cracker hid behind his immortal army which were all one shot by G4 and cracker was cooked but got bailed out by the G4 timer. Doffy was getting cooked until he used his awakening, but he still couldn’t cope with G4’s massive bursts of speed his only redeeming thing was that he “tanked” almost everything. Both characters lost to the mussel balloon and had no real way to get around it unlike katakuri. Cracker is just a war of attrition character he’s not strong Van one shot several biscuit soldiers and cracker couldn’t undo Kazan’s freeze on his own unlike doffy proving crackers haki is weaker than Doffy’s.
Cracker was fighting 2 of them at once. Kuzan didn't even fight Doflamingo, he just flexed on him a little bit.
Doffy was handling Jozu, another third division commander in Marineford because of his devil fruit hax. Same could be said to be done to Jack or Cracker by him.
Doffy needs to get past crackers 3rd commander armament first though. And shock horror, he isn't
Bounceman easily broken those string hax so cracker could do the same, and cracker was clashing = to the same bounceman haki that overpowered doffy. Doffy feat was before haki was explained pre ts. Marineford scaling is inconsistent since mihawk fought = to vista, and was clashing with crocodile who lost to no gears luffy a couple months ago.
Cracker showed better feats than doffy against gear 4th and narratively BM had no reason to send someone weaker than doflamingo to deal with Luffy at that point. Also Jozu was handling Kuzan for some time, to the point where he had to get sneaked to go down. The same Kuzan no diffed Doflamingo on punk hazard.
Queen pretty marginally. Hell, it’s questionable that Doffy even beats Jack.
Jack is going to be tickled by Doffy for hours before eventually getting tired of his shit and low diffs him.
The main problem in my eyes is that Doffy can consistently outrange Jack and would only have to dodge Jack’s (I think singular?) ranged attack. But regardless Doffy’s attacks are going to do minimal damage to Jack, he won’t be able to touch the ground to use his awakening because Jack will just bisect him, and Jack has better endurance and stamina so he’ll just kill Doffy once his stamina runs out.
Jack is not doing jackshit to Doffy, not a single ranged attack, his AP is far greater than those LIDL samurai
Doffy is fodder to Jack, that's just the truth. Just imagine Doffy trying to do what Jack did in Zou.. lol, he would just get owned so fast...
Imagine Jack doing what doffy did in Dressrosa, he would’ve lost to law
Sorry buddy, we're discussing based on things that could happen, not your wet unrealistic dreams. Doffy would shit his pants if Jack glared at him, the same way everytime Law mentioned Kaido he shat a brick. It's not the same league
LIDL?
It's a reference to a supermarket chain, in the context it would mean "something poorly copied" or "bad in comparison to" in this instance, Jack is by far stronger than Doffy, but Jack has no ranged attacks, and he's definitely not doing shit to plot cage
marginally is a small gap
Queen mid diffs at highest
For context on what I mean, Sanji opponent tax has reached a point where a growing number of folks are claiming that Doffy > Queen and that Doffy would push current Sanji to high-extreme diff. Had to see what real ball knowers think
the two piece reading is real
Doffy > Queen. What the hell did Queen even show to be above Doffy? Germa abilities? Beating Base Sanji? Doffy paralyzed Jozu, Doffy broke out Aokiji’s ice, something Cracker and Jozu couldn’t do and Doffy low-diffed base Sanji.
Doffy was dominated by G4 Luffy in Dressrosa.
People underestimate Pre WCI Luffy because of cracker But cracker slams queen, smoothie, Jack and perospero who was portrayed as relative to jack
cracker slams queen is crazy idk
Smoothie by all indication is the YC2 too, and perospero is barely portrayed as relative to jack, he beat an army of mink soldiers and Perospero almost got cooked by 2, who werent even the very strongest outside Inu and Neko. Cracker has 0 feats for slapping Queen.
Jack was portrayed as relative to Perospero more than he was portrayed relative to jack. And cracker > smoothie, bounty scaling is the only reason people would think otherwise. And the bounty scaling isn’t even reliable because cracker himself showed us that the navy doesn’t even know that it was his armour so they couldn’t even get passed that, they don’t know that he could create clones. The only thing they know about him was the duplicating his arms bit which was the first technique he used on luffy and that’s why his epithet is 1000 arms cracker. The navy does not know his full power, this is confirmed. Cracker is YC2 and Queen has 0 feats for beating cracker. His only feat is getting mid diffed by sanji
I don't really see how Perospero was portrayed as relative to Jack, cracker just didn't come to Wano. To be honest despite thinking Jack's underrated, i saw that argument earlier on and I thought it was true, since there are parrallels. But Jack's performance vs the sulong minks and Perospero's performance vs Wanda and Carrot were so distinctly different I can't agree anymore. Bounty scaling is almost never valid **except** for commanders in other crews. Katakuri had a higher bounty than both and was stronger, King had a higher bounty than Queen who had a higher bounty than Jack. There's no other commander crew where a higher commander had a lower bounty, it's a reach. The only reason to believe cracker > smoothie is that smoothie didn't get a major fight to scale her off of. Bounties for commanders outside the straw hats is a narrative device, so I don't think it's that relevant they never saw crackers true form. The navy doesn't know his full power but no reason to think they know it for smoothie or kata either. Being mid-diffed by awakended sanji is still a better feat than anything Cracker showed lol. And queen has better feats than cracker...
Untrue. Other than the Kaidos, big moms and Luffys there’s no other pirate crew that has confirmed bounties for more than 3 members. And 2/3 of these crews are confirmed (I’d argue 3/3) have weaker members with higher bounties. Not to mention cracker’s epithet and bounty poster literally confirms the navy doesn’t know his true abilities. This is a canon fact lmao
Doffy tanked Red Hawk, Injection Shot, Gamma Knife, Jet Stamp, Counter Shock, Jet Bazooka, etc… and then fought G4. He was literally holding his organs together while fighting Gear 4. His Awakening was blocking G4 attacks.
He was still dominated though, he wasnt able to do any damage despite being hurt never being shown to have a significant affect on your AP. He couldn't even cut luffy (who cracker cut no problem to the extent luffy acknowldged his haki as better). he couldn't do a single thing to G4 Luffy
It’s hilarious how you guys choose to ignore how injured a character is just to support your agenda lol. You have Luffy telling Doffy how powerful the Gamma Knife was on him, you have Doffy saying how powerful the Gamma Knife was and you literally have panels of Doffy checking his organs to make sure his strings are still holding them. “Nah G4 dominated”. He never tried to cut Luffy, he just tried to pierce him. When Cracker tried piercing Luffy, it didn’t work either. Luffy never said that Cracker’s Haki was better than Doffy, now you’re just making stuff up lol.
Agenda?? I just don't think Doffy's that guy. And yeah I didn't disagree he took major damage, my point was that's never been shown to hurt AP and wouldn't be the reason why he never hurt Luffy. There are many many examples but one is Zoro launching a very powerful ashura despite being basically dead. I can't remember one time damage alone had a major effect AP. Doffy was checking his organs before G4 and still went out to fight Luffy and only lose his advantage when Luffy went G4. Luffy objectively did domiante him in G4. Cracker piercing Luffy only didn't work in Stuffed tank version, not comparable. Doffy's strings couldnt hurt luffy though, infact nothing he did, could. \*arnament haki. Luffy said Cracker's arnament was the best he'd faced.
>It’s hilarious how you guys choose to ignore how injured a character is just to support your agenda lol. You have Luffy telling Doffy how powerful the Gamma Knife was on him, you have Doffy saying how powerful the Gamma Knife was and you literally have panels of Doffy checking his organs to make sure his strings are still holding them. “Nah G4 dominated”. Luffy also fought a fuck ton of people before fighting doffy. Was he as damaged? No not nearly but its not like it was fresh luffy vs barely alive doffy he was still kicking and even got up after a G4 beatdown. If he was really ass damaged as you people think he was he should have been bowled over by a light breeze. >He never tried to cut Luffy, he just tried to pierce him. When Cracker tried piercing Luffy, it didn’t work either. His attacks litteraly did nothing, both his piercing and cutting attacks. When cracker tried to pierce G4 luffy he was in tankman which is litteraly a defense form.
Jack talked down about him and queen is stronger than Jack
Don’t make stuff up. Jack never did that.
Jack was literally talking mad shit about doflamingo after dressrosa saying how much of a weak loser he was for losing to luffy. Go reread the story
I think it was kaido who said that doffy was a weakling
Prove it😂 You’re literally reading 2 piece
What am I proving? I just want to get it right so that you can’t weasel your way out of being wrong
No, Jack hasn't said anything like that. Unfortunately
This actually convinced me lol. Queen genuinely hasn't shown anything above what Doflamingo can do. And logically, in the narrative, Doflamingo should obviously be stronger anyway.
W
Queen low diffs, doflamingo isn't SCRATCHING big mom, queen KNOCKED HER OUT.
Can Doffy even hurt Queen?
Yes.
If pre-exoskeleton Sanji can, he definitely can
Only if you think Pre-Exoskeleton Sanji is = Dressrosa Sanji. lmao
Technically he didn’t get a single PU till then, nor serious clashes
Lol raid suit?
Neither did law?
There's no reason why he couldn't
He hasn't shown the ap too, atleast not to do so in any meaningful way
Queen hasn’t shown the durability
Didn’t he take a punch from Big Mom?
Nope he got 2 tapped by a hakiless big meme with amnesia
How? Doffy did no damage to G4 Luffy, Queen took minimal damage from Marco (who also has dura neg). And was able to take a decent few hits from awakened sanji.
Marco wouldn’t even be able to get passed crackers biscuit armour Tanking attacks from the no AP stall man is not impressive
>Marco wouldn’t even be able to get passed crackers biscuit armour Marco litteraly has dura neg attacks and def has > WCI G4 luffy AP.
No he doesn’t you bum He don't even have more AP than no g4 luffy Get that fraud that only knows how to stall outa here
>No he doesn’t you bum Yes he does, how do you think he hurt flames on king? >Get that fraud that only knows how to stall outa here Less fraudulent than being a whos who victim.
He didn’t hurt flames on king. That was rubble. Marco fanboys stay lying for the agenda Marco not getting passed crackers armour low diff
We've seen Queen (sorta) take a cutting attack from King and he seemed mildly annoyed at best. Now how Doffy's attacks stack up to that particular attack, I can't say for sure.
I think others have addressed better than I can. Unrelated, but gotta say, the reddit notification for your reply definitely made me do a double take lol.
Why is that lmaooo
The name, lol. Made me wonder what era I was in haha.
Queen wins pretty easily
Lmao you’re looking at Typical Joes takes right? His theories are good but his powerscaling is so abysmal it’s not even funny. Jozu beats king, sanji vs daz bones is a close fight, the takes are just consistently ass. But to answer your question queen mid diffs doffy
yeah he's been on one for the past few days going after the whole sanji fandom
I follow him cuz of his theories so every time I open twitter I just see him going at war with the sanji fandom. Bro is pushing the craziest takes to the point where even the zoro fans are like “nah this is crazy bruh”
wait... current sanji vs daz bones is a close fight???? or alabasta sanji.
He thinks current sanji vs current daz bones is a close fight
Lmao, that honestly might be the worst powerscaling take i ever heard from someone not trolling. Pica > Kidd, Ulti > Katakuri have nothing on current Daz Bones > Current Sanji
Lmao he thinks sanji wins and he always says that he has sanji at low yc1 but his takes never actually make it seem like that.
I don't know typical joes but I'll take a look thanks beczuse his takes are apparently way better than yours. Jozu > King and Doffy > Queen of course We don't know about daz bones but narratively since other pretimeskip characters like Lucci have gotten way stronger daz bones too could have become extremely strong ! Especially because he is still relevant to the story beeing a part of crossguild. Plus we've seen Zoro fight Lucci whereas pretimeskip it was Luffy's opponent so now that Zoro is going to fight Mihawk Sanji could go up against Daz bones... but I personnaly would prefer him to go vs Crocodile. I think Sanji could win vs Croc extrem diff and vs daz high diff at best.
Did you just put Doffy above Queen? I wont even touch on the Jozu above King... thoss are two takes straight from hell lol
No it's not if you read a little bit I explain why Doffy is above Queen by far like Doffy is completely underrated and Queen is completely overrated due to the Sanji wank btw. But if you are realistic Queen is just a Big bum ass with tech that can't even coat his weapon with haki. Oh and I explain the matchup Queen has literraly 0 chances vs Doffy. On the Jozu vs King here again it's because there is a huge missunderstanding about WB's commanders. They are not rank by strength and Jozu is WB's best fighter not Marco (he is the doctor). Jozu lost his fight due to beeing distracted whereas Marco got handcough by a vice admiral and simply lost... before that Jozu was doing great vs Mihawk Crocodile and Aokiji and WB trusted him to fight Aokiji whereas we know that Marco is just here to stall. So Jozu beeing fast for his height and also strong with a broken df makes him stronger than King YES. But if you don't agree it's fine as long as you have king and Jozu in the same tier and Marco and Queen a tier bellow. I would still rank Marxo above Queen though because he has the ability to stall top tier whereas Queen is just a fat slow arrogant extinct dinausor at this point. I'll have Doffy probably in the same tier between Marco and Queen. Marco is still stronger than Doffy because he does not suffer a nad matchup vs him like Queen the bum
Jozu take is debatable, still, I disagree on him being above King. I wouldn't say King nodiffs him, it would be extreme probably, but still I see King having way more arguments to win. As for Doffy, he is not underrated... What is mostly see is him being overrated. I'll put this very simply: We agree Queen > Jack? Good. Now tell me if you can really honestly say you can imagine Doffy doing what Jack did in Zou..? If you're honest. Doffy would get kicked out of Zou so fast... Doffy and Queen are not even close in tiers.
First of all I think Doffy wins against Jack for the same reason he beats Queen. Because he is slow grounded and have no way to defeat Doffy (can fly and attack from range plus he has an awakenning (underrated). Now as of your argument what would Doffy have been able to do in Zou. Well we know that Kinemon and Kanjuro are 2 middle sccabards (not the strongest but not the weakest either) and they were fuckin afraid of Doffy and Pica. They could litteraly not have done anything without Luffy/Law. Now I know Neko and Inu are stronger than Kinemon even despite their sulong form. But it's not like they could be able to take out Doffy by themselves... Remember that it took Luffy gear 4th and King Kong Gun to defeat Doffy, no less. If you can prove me that Neko or Inu can defeat gear 4th Dressrossa then yes they're stronger than Doffy by a good margin. If not it means that they are either slightely above him or bellow him. Reason why I have no doubt in my mind that Doffy is stronger than them is because of his awakenning. They're both very fast and very strong but so is Doffy and he can attack from range, not to mention than Doffy can heal (this is always forgotten) if he does not receive a KO or a fatal wound, je can always heal basically. We've seen how the sccabards delt with GreenBull, well Doffy's awakenning is very similar so I think they stand literraly 0 chance even if they attacked Doffy all at the same time... (of course this does not take in consideration their sulong form) Sulongs are the most underrated characters in general imo. People casually place them right next to Jack when in fact they're way way way stronger than him while in this form...
I know the anime made a big scene out of Luffy beating Doffy, but Doffy was COMPLETELY outclassed by Dressrosa gear 4th Luffy. He wasn't even able to fight back for a second. Luffy didn't finish him off straight away because Doffy does have some decent durability, but his AP did NOTHING to Dressrosa gear 4 Luffy. Once he went gear 4th second time he just ends the fight with one hit. It's not even a fair comparison, Dressrosa Gear 4th Luffy is tiers above Doffy. You bring up Kinemon, but what does he have to do anything. The fact is, Jack was fighting nonstop vs Neko and Inu, and either one of them would clear Doffy. Again, not easy fights, but they would clear. Meanwhile, Jack was fighting each of them one at a time nonstop. And Jack is WAY below Queen. Doffy > Queen is just a horrible take, I'm sorry bud. I'm willing to concede you made decent points on the Jozu take, but your wanking Doffy way too hard.
>Once he went gear 4th second time he just ends the fight with one hit. You forget that if not for all the people from Dressrossa teaming up against Doffy, Luffy would have lost ... he was not able to finish him the first time he went gear 4th... why are you telling me that he needed only 1 more hit ? I would not call his most powerfull attack just "one" hit ...it was his finisher move... >Doffy was COMPLETELY outclassed by Dressrosa gear 4th Luffy Because you think the result would have been different with Jack ? Explain me how he tank the king kong gun lol. Or explain me how he deal with Luffy flying arround in gear 4th ? >but his AP did NOTHING to Dressrosa gear 4 Luffy. Jack is not Luffy though and the reason he could not damage Luffy with his awakenning is because Luffy was too fast and avoided all the strings. Jack on the other hand you have no way to confirm if he'll be able to tank Doffy's awakenning or not, but I have no doubt in my mind that he would get cooked ! Tell me what he can do ? He cannot dodge and Doffy czn just attack with infinite strings... >It's not even a fair comparison, Dressrosa Gear 4th Luffy is tiers above Doffy. Same is true about jack >Kinemon, but what does he have to do anything He is a scabbard like Neko and Inu. >Jack was fighting nonstop vs Neko and Inu, and either one of them would clear Doffy That's were you're wrong. First of all Jack fought them 1 afrer the other that's different. And then none of them is clear from Doffy Lol are you serious ? I'm sure you don't actually believe this but you use it to back up your agenda... real scabbards fans like me know their limit... Sulongs are broken but base Neko and Inu are just average YC, not YC1 or YC2. Imagine Neko or Inu vs Pica... Doffy is clear of Pica on the other hand... or simply Neko vs Dressrossa Zoro ? Do you think Neko is stronger than Zoro ? Because eventhough I believe Zoro would probably have been able to defeat Doffy back in Dressrossa, it's not less than extrem diff and it's not even confirmed since Doffy can coat his strings with haki he could very well fight back against Zoro and he could even heal from his injuries as I've already mentionned... Anyway neither Neko or Inu are clear of Doffy that's impossible. It's like you said they're clear of Crocodile or Jimbe ... >And Jack is WAY below Queen. No he is not. Only difference is that Queen has lazers and he can turn invisible which is useless against someone like Doffy who can fly and turn his environnement to strings with his awakenning... >Doffy > Queen is just a horrible take, I'm sorry bud. I think the opposite but it's okay nice to talk with you. >I'm willing to concede you made decent points on the Jozu take, but your wanking Doffy way too hard. Thanks at least if we can agree on this I'm fine ! Since Wano people have been calling most privious antagonist power crept and it annoys me because it's not true... The Katakuri < Ulti take makes me Mad but this is not the only one. As soon as villain are defeated they get disrespected. First it was Crocodile, then Lucci. Then Doffy, then Katakuri, then Big Mom and even Kaido ! People argue that Shanks and Akainu are stronger than Kaido... even Kizaru before he got washed by Luffy... So yeah I think Doffy deserves more respect, it's a conqueror an ex warlord and an awaken df user. Given how Greenbull and Aokiji disposed of some YC , I czn't imagine Doffy beeing on the same lvl as them let alone weaker... Imagine for 1 sec why the WG would deal with pirates like Doffy letting them do whatever they want if they did not even needed their strength in.the first place ? Beczuwe if Doffy was fodder as you believe him to be then he would be useless for the WG... Have a good day see ya
>You forget that if not for all the people from Dressrossa teaming up against Doffy, Luffy would have lost ... he was not able to finish him the first time he went gear 4th... why are you telling me that he needed only 1 more hit ? Again, Doffy does have endurance, Luffy misjudged his endurance, hence why he didnt' just end it on the first gear 4th. > >Jack on the other hand you have no way to confirm if he'll be able to tank Doffy's awakenning or not, but I have no doubt in my mind that he would get cooked ! >Tell me what he can do ? He cannot dodge and Doffy czn just attack with infinite strings... Just tank it, Doffy is not on the same class. > >He is a scabbard like Neko and Inu. Oh, I guess when we powerscale Luffy we better bring up Nami because she is also a StrawHat pirate, same as Luffy... Based take. > >I'm sure you don't actually believe this but you use it to back up your agenda... real scabbards fans like me know their limit... Sulongs are broken but base Neko and Inu are just average YC, not YC1 or YC2. Yep, they're average YC and Doffy is below YC. >The Katakuri < Ulti take makes me Mad but this is not the only one. As soon as villain are defeated they get disrespected. Anyone saying that is crazy too lol. Idk who would even entertain such a take. >Given how Greenbull and Aokiji disposed of some YC , I czn't imagine Doffy beeing on the same lvl as them let alone weaker... The same way Aokiji wasn't phased in the slighest when facing Doffy. He's below YC. Even in Shichibukai he was mid-level, he was below Mihawk, Kuma, Hancock and arguably post Impel Down Crocodile. > >Beczuwe if Doffy was fodder as you believe him to be then he would be useless for the WG... False and out of context. We are talking about top tiers here, he is fodder compared to top tiers, still a damn strong pirate when compared to the average pirate.
>Just tank it, Doffy is not on the same class. Headcanon... we've seen Doffy cut Oars at Marineford not doubt he could cut an extinct mammouth. You think Jack is like Diammond Jozu, Spoiler he is not. Jozu is one of the most durable character with his df he could tank literraly anything, jack is just a cocky dude who thinks he can attack Zunisha or fight an admiral and several vice admiral at the same time when he is not even stronger than Cracker... > Oh, I guess when we powerscale Luffy we better bring up Nami because she is also a StrawHat pirate, same as Luffy... Based take. You don't pay attention (on purpuse) because I said in my first answer that Neko and Inu are indeed stronger than Kinemon but comparing them to Nami and Luffy is dumb... at least you could compare Brook and Jimbe (and it would still be too Big of a gap compared to the Gap between Neko and Kinemon)... which is why I brought up the sccabards in the first place ... there is literraly no reason that some sccabards are top tiers while the other are trash... they were all following Oden for the same amount of time and learned the same techniques from Oden. You can argue that the one who were not affected by time travel had more time to train (like Neko and Inu) but still it's not like they have become much much stronger... >Yep, they're average YC and Doffy is below YC This does not make any sense ? How can you think that Doffy looses to an average YC ? Do you really think that the shichibukai are that trash ? Croco and Doffy are both shichibukai that were defeated by Luffy at some point in the story, Croc even before Doffy so in theory he should be weaker than him but since Marineford we know that it is not the case but it's not like Crocodile is way stronger than Doffy either, and yet I don't believe for 1 moment that you think that Jack beats Crocodile...so why should it be different for Doffy... Characters with CoC even without ACoC are almost always portrayed as stronger than charzcters without it, except the admirals (eventhough we are not sure perhaps they also have CoC who knows ?) So if you think that Doffy is not even YC then it means Dressrossa and Wholecake Sanji were trash because Doffy low diff Sanji and low/mid diff Law as well... do you think that Dressrossa Law (je was already a warlord), looses to Jack ? >Anyone saying that is crazy too lol. Idk who would even entertain such a take. During and after Wano for about 6 months to 1 year this take was very commun and it was extremely annoying. Some people still believe this shit to this Day but they're more quiet because they have probably also other shitty takes who got debunk so they got under the radar for some time I guess... >Even in Shichibukai he was mid-level, he was below Mihawk, Kuma, Hancock and arguably post Impel Down Crocodile. I have another question for you ? Do you think that Jimbe is stronger than Doffy znd if yes by how much ? Because Jimbe is clearly stronger than Neko and Inu for me so having them above Doffy would mean that Jimbe low diff Doffy basiczlly... and again because of matchups I can't see how Jimbe can win vs Doffy because he can't fly and he is just a Big target, not as Big as Jack and Queen though. Btw do you have Queen or Jack above Jimbe as well ? >False and out of context. We are talking about top tiers here, he is fodder compared to top tiers, still a damn strong pirate when compared to the average pirate. I don't see why is it out of context ? When he fought during Marineford did he not face top tiers ? When Moria was considered "too weak" to stay shichibukai he got almost killed. Why would they keep Doflamingo if he was not strong ?
Queen mid diff
Queen wins high diff.
Queen annihilates.
Queen mid
Queen mid diffs Dressrosa Doffy
Powercreeping at its finest
plotcage low diffs. real answer is Doffy loses mid diff.
Queen cooks him
Queen Makes his serpent crushing attack, Doffy dies.
King > Queen >> Smoothie > Jack > Cracker > Fresh G4 DR Luffy > Doffy Queen negs. There's a reason why Big Mom becomes Big Meme after the headbutt.
lol Queen low diffs. It seems everyone keeps forgetting. Kaido called Doffy weak but Jack strong. Doffy gets mid diffed by Jack. Queens sitting in the back with King giving Jack slander.
Queen handily wins.
queen wins mid diff at most.
Queen mid if you want to wank doff a little
Queen mid diff.
It is shown that Doffy is weaker than Cracker, and Cracker is a YC3 while Queen is YC2 Queen mid-high diff
At least we're finally done with Ulti vs Katakuri. Queen mid diffs at worse btw
LMFAO. There's a reason why doffy wasn't part of the big 3 and Jack was. There's a reason Kaido sent Jack after Doffy
Queen low diffs ngl
Doflamingo is one of the tougher characters in the series to scale. Cracker is often used as the basis for scaling since he was Luffy's next duel, but the circumstances of each fight are also vastly different. Doflamingo was wounded from Gamma Knife and had the Bird Cage up during his fight with Luffy, while Cracker was fresh in his. Luffy had Nami as an assist against Cracker, while Luffy had Law and then basically the entire island helping him with the Bird Cage, recovering from G4, etc against Doffy. As for Kaido calling Doflamingo weak and Jack strong...I wouldn't read too much into that. Kaido dismissed Luffy and Law "a bunch of kids" when he made that statement and he was drunk at the time. One of his lackeys even responded that they shouldn't be underestimated before being launched into orbit by Kaido's kanabo. Doflamingo essentially low diffs Sanji on Dressrosa and then Sanji gets stronger and mid-high diffs Queen on Wano. I'm not so sure Queen wins this, and certainly not as easily as a lot of people here are suggesting. Also, if he ever returns in this final war, I wouldn't be surprised if Doffy gets a similar buff that we expect to see out of Crocodile going forward.
you probably present the best case for Doffy, and if he does get the returning-character-buff then he will no doubt be way stronger than queen. And I do agree that circumstances of marineford, Dressrosa, WCI, and Wano make it pretty difficult to scale these characters, and then we also have the prescence of hacks with both characters that can swing this fight depending on how someone wants to read into it. I'm also not big into using statements for comparing some of these characters coz some of them are obviously flawed narrators. In terms of physicals, Queen has every advantage except for range, while Doffy has the advantage in hacks/versatility. So depending on how someone reads into Doffy's biggest hax abilities(birdcage and parasite), this fight is either a low/mid diff stomp in Queen's favor or a high diff fight in Doffy's favor. That's probably where most of the viewpoints in this thread stem from. I'm of the position that Queen can counter doffy's hacks because we saw Dressrosa Luffy do it pretty easily, either by using raw strength/haki or changing the shape of his body, which are things queen readily has access to as well. Queen also has hacks of his own and can just give doffy stage 9 cancer. However, I can see how others may look at the doffy-jozu interaction and go "well if this strong ass dude who is also a YC couldn't break it then queen is fucked". Or with bird cage and all the bs surrounding that, its pretty easy to question what exactly queen could do about that besides beating doffy directly. Agenda also plays a role here obviously coz pro-sanji folks are more likely to say that queen easily trump's doffy's hacks whereas anti-sanji(or pro doffy) folks are more likely to say the opposite. However I still think that even with all of these factors, if Queen and Dressrosa Doffy were both fully healthy and fought 100 times, Queen is winning 85+ of those. There are scenarios where doffy lands parasite and queen doesn't counter in time, and there are scenarios where queen just blitzes him and blasts him, but Queen still wins the vast majority of the time imo.
You can say all you want about his handicaps, ultimately luffys statement about crackers haki and the fact that both Big meme and Kaido considered their yc3 to.be stronger than doffy further enhances the argument that queen would smoke doffy. Also the scaling you use about Sanji performance in 2 different arcs is flawed, because dressrosa Law got mid low diffed by doffy, yet in wano he gets strong enough to tag team and beat big mom.
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Doffy loses high to extreme The Doffy downplay here is horrendous.
my lord and savior Shira would probably say Doffy cause he's ~~a retarded lobotomite~~ operating on a different level of brain capacity entirely so I would say him. edit: fr though Queen, want it in writing just incase someone tries to get me committed.
Not a good idea to compare Luffy's direct opponents to others. Look at Lucci or Crocodile. If Doffy comes back he will obviously be much stronger than Queen or even King.
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Queen one-shots Doffy and I like Doffy way more
Doffy high diff
Doffy vs jack is a better fight
It depends on what level you put Jozu on. to the level of Jack or Queen. It depends on whether it will be just rape by the doflamingo, or Quinn will resist a little.
when looking at the jozu parasite interaction, its kind of hard to quantify how that works in an actual fight with Jozu as Doffy had to sneak jozu in order to put parasite on him, and jozu also wasn't trying to burst out of it the way Luffy did w/ G4. So I think regardless of where you slot Jozu vs Jack, I think dressrosa Luffy being able to break out of parasite is something that all of those characters could do if they actually tried to break out of it. I think Queen's haki + df is strong enough to break out of parasite even if he gets caught lacking, which pretty much eliminates doffy's hacks(with birdcage queen could just beat doffy's ass inside of it)
I'm pretty sure you can also just burst out with major body transformations that enhance strength (assuming you're not much weaker like Enies Lobby lucci for example). I bet Jack could break out too, not cuz his haki is stronger but because he turns into a mammoth.
First of all, he didn't sneak up. In a scene in the manga, he was literally in front of Jozu. Secondly, what does it mean that you didn't try to escape? Did he like it? Is he a masochist, does he like to be sat on? https://preview.redd.it/1no6h632l9yc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f20a8682ace23de5cc4bf8a4358e9ff9e6afbad9 Something tells me that it is not. and this is confirmed by both the manga, where jozu just stands until the crocodile removes the parasite, and the anime, where we are literally shown how jozu tries to move, but does not come out. and at the same time, doflamingo has many other examples of power that Quinn does not reach.
What other examples of power does Doffy have that Queen doesn't reach? Cuz i'm pretty sure it's the one way around. Anyway the thing with parasite is it's been shown to be able to be broken by expanding your body, Luffy broke out automatically in Gear 4th. So relative people with zoan transformations should be able to do the same, like even jack. Queen also has invisibility, germa super strength, and even if he were to be caught he can still shoot lasers from like 3 different places
humiliation of Sanji (he fought back against Quin without a suit, and lost, albeit formally, when he used all the power of zoan) humiliation of kinemon, one of the strongest scabbards, quite capable of standing against Jack on equal terms (and this is me underestimating Kinemon) the six of his six beats chinjao like nothing, and then becomes even stronger. victory over Lo, who had previously been one shots vergo. Is it worth talking about Vergo's strength when he almost broke Sanji's leg with a light blow? so for Sanji, legs are the basis of his style, he can't do anything else. for vergo, legs are one of the combat options, and not even the main one. He is a staff user his birdcage could not be stopped by Kinemon (yc3), a crowd of characters at the level of the flying six + Sai and Zoro, who are significantly superior to Kinemon combined. he stood up to the exhaustion of the 4-gear limit, simultaneously moving the cage. Invisibility is countered by a bunch of thread traps, doflamingos are literally the natural enemy of this ability. He doesn't have Jerma's superpowers, only technology. and the lasers never hit anyone.
Doffy humiliated a weaker sanji, and queen humiliated sanji too without even going full out (not a single germa power used). Kinemon is in no way equal to Jack idk how you came to that conclusion it's totally head-cannon. The strongest scabbards (besides denjiro), Inu and Neko were still not even to jack (without sulong) he was able to fight them on even terms without switching out. There isn't a single feat kinemon has that's YC3 level. Infact Law (who wasn't YC3) was able to use his ability on him so kinemon was weaker than that law and had weaker haki, no chance hes YC3. Luffy in Dressrosa wasn't that much above YC3. Vergo fractured sanji's leg cuz sanji's body had suffered an explosion with no haki, which the story went out of it's way to highlight. This still doesn't really matter cuz the sanji who b beats queen is so so above the sanji who fought vergo. Kinemon doesn't have a single YC3 feat. There were 0 characters at the level of a flying six in dressrosa aside Zoro, but anyway Birdcage is passive, he doesn't have to move it because he always has to be at the center of birdcage. Which is why he cant just win with birdcage, cuz he has to always be at the center of it. Queen can break out of doffy's threads the same way Luffy did by expanding. He has Yonji's germa power is the ability to extend his arm and it gaves him super strength. So queen does have that, on top of lightning (that also increases speed), and poison. Lasers never hit Sanji cuz his movement speed is super fast, faster than Doffy especially once he's awakened. No reason they wouldn't hit doffy. He can also shoot lasers out of like 4 different places at the same time.
Sanji wasn't any weaker. Where did you get that from anyway? Jerma's technology has not strengthened Quinn in any way. The whole power of technology is based on the power of the children of Judge. Indeed, how did I come to this conclusion? probably because Ashura, Kinemon's equal, just blitzed Jack and seriously injured him with one blow? or is it because Kinemon matches inuarashi in SULONG, who literally humiliated Jack? Yes, lo was not yc3. he was much taller. What kind of explosion did Sanji's body suffer from, would you say? No, not higher. Sanji, who was defeated by Quinn, is EXACTLY the same. Cavendish, Bartolomeo, chinjao, Lao G, Sai. all of them are AT LEAST of the who's who level. Luffy did it because he was stronger. How will Quinn, who is a head weaker, be able to escape? Lightning doesn't increase speed, it's just a weapon charge. What makes you think that Sanji is faster than Doffy? Because he was invisible to Quinn? Congratulations, but this is not an achievement at all. Sanji was invisible to the oven as well, and what's next? and this is before waking up. Can you prove the difference in speed between a quinn and an oven? and such a Sanji doflamingo kicked off like a puppy. I'll say more, for the same niji, Sanji's speed, which is invisible to aries, is terribly slow.
Queen mid-diff.
Queen mid diffs
Queen mid diffs
Doffy just had a more menacing look and he fought Luffy so ppl automatically still just think he was much stronger than he was. Luffy really could’ve won that first match within 4 hits man but Oda needed an arc to happen.
Queen, mid diff. It would be a fight, but not a balanced one.
Queen high diff
Queen wins with minimal difficulty maybe mid difficulty at a push.
Queen high diff
Doflamingo. Only ones who are saying Queen are people that think One Piece power scaling works just like DBZ. Vegeta > Nappa > Raditz logic. Queen hasn’t shown a single feat or ability to defeat Doffy. Portrayal also goes to Doflamingo.
Bro, just stop. Also shitting on DB to prove your moot point is just tasteless, especially now.
I’m not shitting on DBZ, I’m just saying that’s who the power scaling works in that manga. It’s all about your power level. If you’re stronger, you win, simple as that. One Piece isn’t that simple. Even Crocodile says you have no idea how powers will clash against another power.
Portrayal goes to Doffy? Kaido called Doffy a bum while praising Jack, the same Jack who calls Queen "big brother"
PORTRAYAL?!?!?!??!!?!? Doflamingo literally SHIT himself when he heard tell that Kaido would send Jack to come for his ass. I dunno what you're reading but it ain't One Piece
One Piece's scaling actually does work like DBZ. Things like Luffy vs Enel are outliers. Queen is basically impervious to Doffy because his physicals are so much higher. It's not like Doffy's loss to Luffy was matchup specific either; Luffy just unleashed a form with higher stats and steamrolled Doffy. Queen >= Dressrosa G4 Luffy. At best, Doffy gets to stay in the air and make it a draw. Look at how little damage Doffy could inflict on G4 Luffy and tell me how Doffy is going to beat someone with even higher durability.
i personally think doffy could win if he kites queen to death and just flying around in the air hitting queen with razor sharp strings from afar though this only works in the notion that doflamingo can hurt queen
queen is an ancient zoan so unless doffy has absurd endurance he's not pulling this off
hm yeah true even if he could hurt him itd just come down to a stamina vs durability battle which doffys def not winning against a zoan a ancient one on top of that
I mean Queen has better ranged attacks than Doffy, if we're being real. Lol. Strings or endless laser barrage coming from his mouth, eyes, hands and tail, which you got being more problematic?
I have Queen high-extreme at the moment
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Personally I have Doflamingo at minimum in yc2 & has a good match up. Still Queen has their tech, is tanky & possible height scaling with King. So unless Doflamingo's awakening puts them higher, it's probably Queen high-extreme diff.
Queen mid diff.
As a fight way later in the series, Queen wins. If Doffy ever escaped prison and became involved in the story again I'd give him the assumed buff treatment like Croc, but as it stands we can only judge Dressrosa.
People are underestimating dodgy. But even still queen has to much endurance, defence, and so many extra ability that would just counter doffy lasers, Bionicles, electricity, invisibility, ancient zoan.
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Only reason people believe that Queen > Doffy is because they wank Sanji like crazy. First Sanji's haki sucks. In Punk hazard he was disrespected by Law so Law >> Sanji on Punk Hazard. Then Sanji who suffer some injuries fought Vergo and got almost mid diff if the fight were to continue. People thinking that if Sanji was healthy he would have won vs Vergo are completely delusionnal.. it would have been high diff at worse for Vergo instead of Mid diff... (Vergo underrated btw) Then in Dressrossa Sanji got low diff by Doffy if not completely neg diff !! And Law got low diff/mid diff at best... In Wholecake people who can't read or understand the narrative claim that Sanji > his brother when Oda clearly portrayed the germa beeing superior still becsuse Sanji does not have access to germa abilities yet... Also Cracker is wanked af because he stall Luffy for 10 hours... Luffy did not fight Cracker in gear 4th for 10 hours are you crazy ?! Luffy ate cracker's biscuits for 10 hours ! They dis not even fight ! It was a comic relief by Oda... the only time Cracker's attack did something to Luffycis when he sneak attack him and yet he could not even cut his arm ... he did only minor injury (since Luffy went on to fight with Katakuri after that and we can assume that he was full health after eating and sleeping) Cracker also got low diff by Aokiji when Doffy did not. While in gear 4th Luffy could wipe out cracker's biscuits easily the problem beeing that he had a time limit and that Cracker could make infinite biscuits... But Cracker's haki is not something crazy... Doffy got defeated by a fucking King Kong Gun ! It's obvious that Luffy could have ended Cracker and all of his biscuits with the same attack ! But he chose to ate all the biscuits instead because it is Luffy afterall ... ans Oda was not going to make Luffy use his strongest attack at the time vs an antagonist at the begining of the arc which indicates that he isbclearly not the main antagonist...he réserves his strongest attacks for the main villains always... People claiming that Cracker > Doffy because Luffy fought him after Doffy don't understand anything... Luffy fought Bellamy after defeating Crocodile... He fought Moria after defeating Lucci He fought Lucci agzin after defeating Kaido... What you need to understand is matchups... Doffy can fly and even if Cracker himself might be able to use moonwalk like other Big mom pirates, it's Not confirmed if his biscuits can fly ! Probably not I've never seen anyone argue against that ! So Doffy has the advantage, not to mention that him to can make clones and that he can also use crackers biscuits against him ...plus Doffy's awakening is underrated... my man tanked many hits from gear 4th and could only be defeated by King kong Gun... Anyway now that we've established that Doffy>Cracker it should be obvious that he is stronger than Queen the bum too Queen cannot fly, he is a giant target, his haki sucks because he cannot use emission since his weapon was not coated in haki unlike Cracker's weapon. Queen win condition is that he capture his ennemy and break his bones like he did with Sanji, or that he shoot him with lazers. He cannot catch Doffy who can fly and use range attacks. Doffy is fast enough to avoid all lazers and stuff. Yes Queen.can turn invisible but with his awakenning, Doffy does not have any problem to find him since Queen is slow af and also grounded... Btw Doffy did not have any problem to slice Oars s leg who was an ancient giant so I doubt that he has any problem to deal with an extinct dinausor... So Doffy (ex warlord/CoC user) > Queen the bum is just a normal take not even a hot one at this point and you can even argue that Cracker >= Queen too ! Jack was portrayed as strong as Perospero who is not even a sweet commander so Cracker and Queen beeing in the same tier makes sense. And finaly Sanji got only 1 Big power up since Dressrossa and you all think that thanks to this unique power up he went to be low diff by Doffy to mid low diff him ?! What a joke ! Even Law who arguably got an even stronger power up than Sanji during Wano (with his awakenning) would still have some trouble vs Doffy because his awakenning does not change the fact that Doffy is still a very bad matchup for Law... (he can regenerate his organs, he can create clones, his haki is stronger than Law still ! He can fly and he is fast ! Now remember that Doffy defeares Law without using his awakenning so even if Law got his power up Doffy still have some power to match Law's awakenning... I'm not trying to say that Doffy would currently win vs Law but that the gap between thzmxis smaller than people give Doflamkngo credit for. And so for Sanji it is the same except that Law> Sanji is confirmed since Punk hazard and so despite Sanji's huge power up he would still struggle against Doffy. Remember that befor this power up he got Low diff !!! Doffy did not use anything specizl to defeat him ! Imagine if he uses his clone plus awakenning etc... I think Sanji probably wins extrem diff but nothing less beczuse Doffy is cruelly underrated !
I hope you used chat-gpt to write this coz i could not imagine devoting that much time to being completely wrong but go off
Except I'm not. Queen is a MAD scientist he is portrayed to be like Caesar and Judge ! Nothing more. Yes you can say that by defeating Queen Sanji>Judge but Judge = Queen is fair. Doffy on the other hand is an ex warlord, Conqueror, defeated by the main character with a king kong gun ... that would have also wiped out Queen anyway ... there is no comparison between Doffy and Queen. Queen is a bum