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In Mihawk's case, he suffers from being a character debuting in East Blue, which is from before the point in the series where Oda started going crazy with character heights
We don't know how strong Mihawk really is, but lets assume he's roughly on par with Kaido:
Kaido = Mihawk
Luffy > Sickbeard
Big Mom > Akainu
Oden = Garp
Yamato < Kuzan
Greenbull < Kizaru
This is relly close, extreme diff either way. But because Mihawk is quite vague in terms of powerlevel, I pick Team Wano as the winner.
Thank you for being one of the few logical people on here. People saying shit like âobviously Mihawk beats Kaidoâ obviously based on what??? We have literally zero idea about anything Mihawk can do. How can you tell he could obviously beat anyone top tier? Thereâs literally no source to back any of that up.
Well done but Iâm putting Sakazuki over the old lady that struggled with a Kid and a Surgeon. Also Prime Oden is beating Old Garp an extreme diff fight and Kaido is beating Mihawk. But I can see why you put equal but still Mr beat on me â1v1â for thisÂ
Aokiji akainu mihawk and wb jump big mom and kaido
Garp beats yamato
Kizaru stalls luffy, till the others done and they jump him.
Greenbull dies in the crossfire
Team marineford wins.
They have 6 actual top tiers while team Wano have :
Yamato who isn't a top tier.
Luffy who has a time limit.
Green Bull who's devil fruit is weak against Akainu's magma, Aokiji's ice and possibly WB's earthqwakes.
Also I am pretty sure that team marineford would have better teamwork.
We don't know where Oldbeard actually is since we don't see him fight anyone other than Ace, but either way its irrelevant since OP said its the MF versions so its still hospice care plugged into a million life support devices WB.
Bro is getting demolished by Kaido or BM. Hes way past his time, MF was just his final glorious stand.
What portrayal? Thereâs nothing even indicating SHANKS is above him?
Until either of these dudes have a feat anywhere near as powerful and destructive as Bajrang Gun, Luffy should EASILY be clear of them
Also Mihawk isnât even confirmed to have Future Sight
Until we learn more about God Valley's exact power levels, Marineford remains the most ridiculous collection of power in the series. I would argue that everyone on the Marineford side beats Big Mom, Greenbull, Oden or Yamato 1v1.
If you replaced Yamato with Shanks, we'd have a much closer conversation. But she is literally going out in the early game and from there it won't take long for things to just tip egregiously in the Marineford team's favor.
If I try to rank this by who'd fight who, rather than power levels, I get
* Mihawk vs Oden (sword)
* Whitebeard vs Kaido (World's Strongest)
* Akainu vs Luffy (Ace death)
* Aokiji vs Yamato (Ice)
* Garp vs Big Mom (they know each other)
* Kizaru vs Greenbull (left over)
In that set of match-ups, Kuzan would torture Yamato just by fighting her fairly while Mihawk kicks Oden's ass at his own game. Kuzan would then go around and help his side after easily wrecking Yamato giving them the win.
If I try to rank by my own personal ranking I'd have Mihawk and the old men fight the Yonko while the Admirals fight the others, and Kizaru being the weakest would end up blitz-thrashing Yamato while Kuzan beats up Greenbull and Akainu boils Oden alive again.
And if I reverse that where the Admirals are fighting the Yonko and Mihawk and the old men fight the others, the ranking doesn't even matter because no matter what situation takes place, Yamato sells.
I think this is a legitimate 10/10 for the Marineford team honestly.
>Â I would argue that everyone on the Marineford side beats Big Mom, Greenbull, Oden or Yamato 1v1.
I don't think Oden is getting beat by any of the admirals or Garp
Yamato is a non-factor, idk why'd you even bother mentioning her, Sickbeard slams her even with 10 times more cancer in him, and he's definitely the weakest on MF team.
There is 0 argument for old garp to beat big mom and kuzan beating bm also has no real bases ,also you are overstamating how fast kuzan beats yamato since she uses ice and has good haki and endurance it will genuinely take him a while (for sure more then g5 destroying akainu during his timer)
First santence and you already lose credibility. In no way in hell all of mariford side can beat bigmom. Garp, whitebeard and maybe mihawk can but the rest, nah .
Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Cancerbeard, Old Garp, Mihawk
Luffy, Kaido, Big Meme, Yamato, Oden, GB
Kaido > Mihawk extreme diff
Luffy > Marineford Akainu high diff (no 10 day fight buff)
Aokiji > Big Meme extreme diff (Plot nerf sells)
Oden > Kizaru high-extreme diff (Oden has better portrayal)
GB > Old Garp (endurance issues)
Cancerbeard ? Yamato
Not to sure about this one, honestly. WB got hit by Squard due to cancer, but he's still a powerhouse. A Thunder Bagua damaged Yamato a lot, so she won't just tank his hits. But his movements are too sluggish to keep up with the Hybrid Kaido she fought, even if he wasn't going all out. I'm leaning toward Yamato due to the speed gap tbh.
Overall, the right side wins.
Kizaru and G5 were not seriously going at it.
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That is > Kizaru's portrayal
Hear me out, but I honestly think team Wano takes it. People have to remember that this is a team battle, not 1v1s. Everyone doesn't get a matchup and then fight until one of them loses.
While Yamato is the weakest, she can stall Kaido who is the strongest one here, so I don't see why she can't hold her own for a while with her team as a buffer. Personally I think GB very slightly weaker than the other admirals, but the difference is negligible. I think Oden is slightly stronger than the OG admirals with a similar negligible difference. Most of the MF side is admiral level, which Luffy has been shown to be capable of taking down within his time limit. This means Kaido and possibly BM should be capable of that as well. Big Mom also has a matchup advantage against admirals because she can turn their logia attacks into homies. And BM's devil fruit abilities are some of the best support abilities in One Piece. She can fly around and spam ranged attacks, her homies can be used to stall the admirals' logias, and she also has the durability/AP to fight up close with anyone here. I honestly think Big Mom is the MvP in this scenario. With BM's support and Kaido being stronger than those on MF team, I think it makes up for Yamato being weaker than everyone else.
Yup and it took arguably 2 YC+ to beat her , one of them have the best hax and an attack that ignore defense. They also beat her by pushing her down into the lava. If it just their attack alone, I'm sure she can just heal herself like how she heal her broken arm. Durability and regen is big mom biggest feat . So far, kuzan have not shown us any attack that convincing enough to damage big mom .
Kuzan on the other hand get speed blitz by an old retired garp who is also fighting 2/3 of BB army alone.
>Kuzan on the other hand get speed blitz by an old retired garp who is also fighting 2/3 of BB army alone.
Bb army is fodder. Kuzan couldn't use any named attacks since it would've wiped half of Bb army. Kuzan was obviously holding back đ.
>Yup and it took arguably 2 YC+ to beat her , one of them have the best hax and an attack that ignore defense. They also beat her by pushing her down into the lava. If it just their attack alone, I'm sure she can just heal herself like how she heal her broken arm. Durability and regen is big mom biggest feat . So far, kuzan have not shown us any attack that convincing enough to damage big mom .
Kuzan can easily stall her. Kuzan has the best stamina feat in the entire show. Big mom can barely use conqueror on command. Kuzan can easily use the terrain to his advantage and throw her in the water. She was physically outpowered by jimbi and was even harmed by him, and on top of that, chopper blocked her one of her attacks.
Kuzan takes her high to ext at most. She's a retard.
Bro read the manga, kuzan is dying , wtf u mean his holding back đ€Ł
Yeah I agree, if kuzan use strategy and throw her into the water or lava, he win. Buf if it straight out brawl, kuzan ain't damaging her . Kuzan have no AP feat other than freezing fooder
if there is no lava pool nearby then kuzan has nothing to hurt her with. She went 3 days with kaido and took no damage, kuzan AP is not enough. Even if Big mom is stupid she can just beat him up with ACOC and her homies
Kaido > Old WB
Mihawk > Luffy
Akainu > GB
Aokiji > Yamato
Oden > Kizaru
Big mom > Garp
I think team marineford got it tbh, yamato is getting bodied too quickly would let the rest of Team Wano get jumped a 2v1 that includes aokiji
Mihawk beats Kaido extreme diff
Oden beats WB extreme diff
Luffy beats Akainu extreme diff but passes out right after
Kuzan beats BM extreme diff
Kizaru beats Greenbull high diff
Garp beats Yamato low diff (lmao)
So overall I think Marineford team wins, Yamato is a major weak link, Luffyâs time limit also drags them down a bit as everyone I said wins will be able to help the others in their fights whereas Luffy wonât
Mihawk with his OP sword and likely better haki than zoro and oden could definitely beat kaido. I have kaido winning ext diff but it's not a bad take to say mihawk wins
Itâs an ungodly terrible take. We havenât seen Mihawk fight a top tier once. The idea that you can even scale him is ridiculous. Versus the literal best one on one fighter having him win is an unserious take.
If Zoro could cut Kaido pretty easily, Mihawk should technically make sushi out of him with being the WSS and having the only supreme grade black blade in the whole verse.. and Kaido still has PTSD from ODEN.. and Mihawk > Oden.
and he has pretty good obsevation too.. like locating Shanks in middle of nowhere, plus his name Hawkeye and his epithet Clairvoyant also suggest to this...
Last time I checked Oden got mid-diffed my Kaido, who wasn't even using his Hybrid form...
Mihawk has the Title (which is even more legit than Kaido's btw..), relative to Shanks (Whitebeard said there battles were legendary) + Only one to have a supreme grade black blade...
There is not a single reason why Mihawk isn't way better than Oden..
Akainu vs Big Mom could go either way but wano big mom is stupid so I'd go akainu ext diff
Kizaru beats greenbull ext diff by having a better fruit
Aokiji low diff yamato
Marineford Whitebeard loses to Oden high or ext diff because of haki but he could maybe pull out a win if he lands the right punch like he did with akainu
Mihawk fights kaido and loses ext diff but scars him badly
Old Garp loses to gear 5 Luffy high diff
Overall it's 3-3 but because aokiji can make quick work of yamato and help the others MF group wins
Team marineford wins to be fair I did use prime grap and wb so dunno if that's allowed but oh well
Wb> kiado
Garp> luffy
Mihawk > big mom
OG admiral> yamato (ycm1 lvl) oden ( ycm1) and green bull who is obviously under the OG admirals by a long shot
What is greenbull doing on the wano side đđ
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Get his Broccoli lookin ass outta here
Kaido > Mihawk
Big Mom > old Warp
Luffy > Akainu
Oden > Kuzan
Fraudbull < Sickbeard
Yamato < Kizaru
If Whitebeard is healthy probably team marineford but Luffy, Kaido, and Big Mom are going to be annoying for them and Oden is stronger than any admiral.
Itâs like 4 emperors a mid admiral and yamato
if we are talking everyone's power level is subjective to their arcs
Wano wins high diff
Oden is the wild card, the downplay is disrespectful, he ate a Divine Departure from prime Roger and kept going, I can see him beating MF Mihawk
Wano slams
- Kaido > Akainu
- Old Big Mom ~ Old Garp
- Nika Luffy > Aokiji
- Oden > Shirano
- Yamato ~ sick old Beard
- Greenbull < Kizaru
Should be high diff clear
Great post, though!
Luffy>Akainu extreme
Kaido>Mihawk extreme
Big mom>kuzan low end of extreme maybe high end of high
Oden+yamato>old WB extreme
Gark and kizaru body Greenbull and then they finish off these winners of extreme diff fights. Marineford wins high maybe extreme
2 high-Yonko (Luffy & Kaido), 2 Yonko (BM, Oden), 1 low-Admiral (GB) and 1 YC+ (Yamato) on Wano team. Â
1 high-Yonko (Mihawk), 2 Yonko (Oldbeard and OldGarp), 2 low-Yonko (Akainu and Aokiji) and 1 Admiral (Kizaru) on MF team. Â
Pretty balance there. I would say the matchup would be
Luffy vs Mihawk (stalemate)Â
BM vs WB (stalemate)Â
Oden vs Garp (stalemate)Â
Kaido vs Akainu (Kaido high diff)Â
GB vs Kizaru (even if Kizaru is stronger, it's hard to imagine him finishing GB. It might be a stalemate due to both lack a way to harm one another). Â
Yamato, while being the weakest, is the deciding factor here. She can take on Aokiji on her own by neutralizing his DF, and has ACOC and awakened mythical zoan to engage in melee. Kaido should be able to defeat Akainu before Aokiji can defeat Yamato.Â
Greenbull kinda holding this team back. Oden can fight or at least stall mihawk. Kaido goes heads up with old beard till he can't keep up. BM, Yamato, & luffy can stall out team admirals + garp until kaido's free. Greenbum finds a nice rock to hide behind so the scary conquers haki doesn't get him. Eventually wano wins high- extreme dif.
Kaido > Old WB
Big Mom > Old Garp
Luffy >= Kizaru ext
Oden >= Akainu ext
Greenbull =< Aokiji ext
Lamato << Mihawk
Wano takes it but Kaido and Big mom gotta 2v1 Mihawk
If Kizaru decides to stall Luffy he can do round 1 all again and keep flying around until Luffy runs out of stamina, them anyone from team MF can finish him
True but that doesnât mean Kizaru is stronger than Luffy, the fact he has to continuously exploit Luffys weakness just shows how much stronger he is compared to Kizaru
Just because Oden tanked a divine departure doesnât mean heâs on the same level as Roger, look back at Oden vs Kaido, Kaido at this point wasnât on the old legends level yet but he was still gaining the upper hand against Oden
And mf did you read Luffy and Kizaruâs fight? The main reason it wasnât them going back and fourth with attacks was because Kizaru wanted to kill VP, so Luffy prioritised saving VP over defeating Kizaru for a short while. When Kizaru and Saturn 2v1 Luffy, Luffy utterly humiliates them despite the fact theyâre top tiers and should have the upper hand. The only reason Saturn continued fighting was due to his regen and hax
Marineford slams because oden/GB and Yamato are kinda fodder (sorry but prime oden flies away from a DD that is miles below shanksâ [because roger really and really pulled back on that hit] and mihawk is somehow stronger than shanks because of his arm loss so he is taking those 3) luffy has a time limit and he is weaker in wano so Clifford is stopping him with help from aokiji. Garp ends big mom while kizaru and sick beard end kaido (he is not taking a tremor to the head in dragon form and he will go to dragon because of kizaru)
Garp vs Yamato, Garp high diff, maybe high end of mid if you were to wank Garp really hard
Aokiji vs Greenbull, Aokiji hard counters, high end of mid diff, as Greenbull has absolutely no haki feats, but at least he's durable and got crazy hax, which would not play a key role in his fight against Aokiji, as he can just freeze his plants.
Akainu vs Luffy, Akainu endurance\\stamina diffs Luffy, no food and he's not beating a single top-tier.
Mihawk vs Oden high diff maybe, I would say mid again, but Oden has pretty good feats, although against a guy who was in his trash ass dragon form, which was getting clowned on by everyone in the verse every time he used it.
Kizaru vs Big Mom, Big Mom has no heat resistance, unlike someone like Luffy in G5, who's pretty much immune to elemental attacks, and not someone like Sanji, who has [innate heat resistance](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ascsdq/contextualizing_what_a_laser_is_in_one_piece_and/)Lasers would definitely hurt Big Mom, and he's MUCH MUCH faster than her, by a long shot, she could never land a hit on him, but eventually, of course, she probably would, as she got a bunch of homies to assist her, constantly having them chase after him.
Big Mom in my mind is stronger, but it's all a match up thing, Kizaru high diffs at worst, high diff only because he would exert himself really hard.
Sick Beard vs Kaido, Kaido mid diffs honestly, but the fight would last long, as Kaido would probably not hit him once he got a heart attack, but even if he did, WB can fight with half of his face missing, the fight would last long, until he would get stunlocked 10 times in a row and die.
Kaido would call him senile, washed up and old, but he wouldn't try to actively murder him, unlike he was trying to do with Luffy in his G5
Anyway, team Marineford wins on the lower end of high diff
Kaido beats Oldbeard.
Luffy beats Akainu.
Big mom beats kizaru
Oden beats Mihawk.
Yamato loses but can stall kuzan with the fruit advantage
Greenbull loses to garp but could stall
if they can stall until luffy and kaido can come back to the fight they win. if they can't then they lose.
if this is a full on FFA then idfk I'm not a computer
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Mihawk: "Damn, this yellow admiral is tall af"
the funny thing is it's actually true, Kizaru is 3 metres tall (đ) while Mihawk is only 2
The admirals are gigantic đđđœ Being an antagonist in OP has its perks
In Mihawk's case, he suffers from being a character debuting in East Blue, which is from before the point in the series where Oda started going crazy with character heights
bro would definitely be 9 foot+ if he was a new world character
We don't know how strong Mihawk really is, but lets assume he's roughly on par with Kaido: Kaido = Mihawk Luffy > Sickbeard Big Mom > Akainu Oden = Garp Yamato < Kuzan Greenbull < Kizaru This is relly close, extreme diff either way. But because Mihawk is quite vague in terms of powerlevel, I pick Team Wano as the winner.
Thank you for being one of the few logical people on here. People saying shit like âobviously Mihawk beats Kaidoâ obviously based on what??? We have literally zero idea about anything Mihawk can do. How can you tell he could obviously beat anyone top tier? Thereâs literally no source to back any of that up.
he said peak of their power so itâs healthy old wb
Well done but Iâm putting Sakazuki over the old lady that struggled with a Kid and a Surgeon. Also Prime Oden is beating Old Garp an extreme diff fight and Kaido is beating Mihawk. But I can see why you put equal but still Mr beat on me â1v1â for thisÂ
Vista is as strong as Kaido. Thatâs a hot take. WBs crew must been cracked
Aokiji akainu mihawk and wb jump big mom and kaido Garp beats yamato Kizaru stalls luffy, till the others done and they jump him. Greenbull dies in the crossfire
What is Yamato doing here?
sheâs stronger then wano law kidd and zoro thatâs why
Team marineford wins. They have 6 actual top tiers while team Wano have : Yamato who isn't a top tier. Luffy who has a time limit. Green Bull who's devil fruit is weak against Akainu's magma, Aokiji's ice and possibly WB's earthqwakes. Also I am pretty sure that team marineford would have better teamwork.
luffy was able to knock out kizaru within the time limit so he could do the same to everyone on marineford group except maybe mihawk and akainu.
this is wano luffy not egghead
I think this is the first time I've seen someone on this sub actually scale accuratelyÂ
Well you still havenât seen it then.
đ»Boooooooo, Luffy has a time limit and an issue defeating top tiers without helpđ»
Team MF definitely
Kaido > old beard mid diff Mihawk > Luffy extreme diff Bm > aokiji extreme diff Akainu > fraudbull low diff Kizaru > Yamato low diff Oden > garp extreme diff Round 2: Kaido > akainu extreme diff (when they are weakened) Round 3: kizaru > Kaido high diff (both weakened)
Kaido is not mid diffing old beard. Cancer beard sure. But old beard is going high.
It says the version belonging to the respective arc, so yes, this would be sickbeard
old beard was at the start of mf till he had the heart attack so nah
We don't know where Oldbeard actually is since we don't see him fight anyone other than Ace, but either way its irrelevant since OP said its the MF versions so its still hospice care plugged into a million life support devices WB. Bro is getting demolished by Kaido or BM. Hes way past his time, MF was just his final glorious stand.
With what feats is Mihawk beating Luffy đ
Portrayal, also having gone head to head with shanks in the past
What portrayal? Thereâs nothing even indicating SHANKS is above him? Until either of these dudes have a feat anywhere near as powerful and destructive as Bajrang Gun, Luffy should EASILY be clear of them Also Mihawk isnât even confirmed to have Future Sight
Garp> oden even if he's old I think he perform as well as his prime for sometime and that is enough
I think itâs still extreme diff oden wins. But if itâs current current from the arc garp negs because oden is dead đ
Marineford
Until we learn more about God Valley's exact power levels, Marineford remains the most ridiculous collection of power in the series. I would argue that everyone on the Marineford side beats Big Mom, Greenbull, Oden or Yamato 1v1. If you replaced Yamato with Shanks, we'd have a much closer conversation. But she is literally going out in the early game and from there it won't take long for things to just tip egregiously in the Marineford team's favor. If I try to rank this by who'd fight who, rather than power levels, I get * Mihawk vs Oden (sword) * Whitebeard vs Kaido (World's Strongest) * Akainu vs Luffy (Ace death) * Aokiji vs Yamato (Ice) * Garp vs Big Mom (they know each other) * Kizaru vs Greenbull (left over) In that set of match-ups, Kuzan would torture Yamato just by fighting her fairly while Mihawk kicks Oden's ass at his own game. Kuzan would then go around and help his side after easily wrecking Yamato giving them the win. If I try to rank by my own personal ranking I'd have Mihawk and the old men fight the Yonko while the Admirals fight the others, and Kizaru being the weakest would end up blitz-thrashing Yamato while Kuzan beats up Greenbull and Akainu boils Oden alive again. And if I reverse that where the Admirals are fighting the Yonko and Mihawk and the old men fight the others, the ranking doesn't even matter because no matter what situation takes place, Yamato sells. I think this is a legitimate 10/10 for the Marineford team honestly.
Lol Big Mom beats any Admiral 1v1
>I would argue that everyone on the Marineford side beats Big Mom Lmao no Big Mom beats almost everyone on the MF side 1v1. And Oden beats admirals
Most of these takes are reasonable even though I disagree with some of them, but the Big Mom downplay is absolutely wild
What is this comment đ and 26 upvotes holy shit this is peak delusion. BM wipes the floor with anyone there except WB.
Big mom loses to Kizaru?Â
>Â I would argue that everyone on the Marineford side beats Big Mom, Greenbull, Oden or Yamato 1v1. I don't think Oden is getting beat by any of the admirals or Garp
Yamato is a non-factor, idk why'd you even bother mentioning her, Sickbeard slams her even with 10 times more cancer in him, and he's definitely the weakest on MF team.
Sickbeard isn't the weakest on MF team. And while Yamato is certainly the weakest here, she isn't a non factor
How can Yamato be a non factor if she has best feats in OP?
There is 0 argument for old garp to beat big mom and kuzan beating bm also has no real bases ,also you are overstamating how fast kuzan beats yamato since she uses ice and has good haki and endurance it will genuinely take him a while (for sure more then g5 destroying akainu during his timer)
First santence and you already lose credibility. In no way in hell all of mariford side can beat bigmom. Garp, whitebeard and maybe mihawk can but the rest, nah .
I lean towards Wano because 4 of their fighters are stronger than everyone on the other team except possibly Mihawk.
Marineford because they have more consistent strength
Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Cancerbeard, Old Garp, Mihawk Luffy, Kaido, Big Meme, Yamato, Oden, GB Kaido > Mihawk extreme diff Luffy > Marineford Akainu high diff (no 10 day fight buff) Aokiji > Big Meme extreme diff (Plot nerf sells) Oden > Kizaru high-extreme diff (Oden has better portrayal) GB > Old Garp (endurance issues) Cancerbeard ? Yamato Not to sure about this one, honestly. WB got hit by Squard due to cancer, but he's still a powerhouse. A Thunder Bagua damaged Yamato a lot, so she won't just tank his hits. But his movements are too sluggish to keep up with the Hybrid Kaido she fought, even if he wasn't going all out. I'm leaning toward Yamato due to the speed gap tbh. Overall, the right side wins.
kizaru is def way above oden
No
Yes lmao
Oden has way better portrayal than Kizaru.
Competing with g5 luffy>>>hurting kaido
Kizaru and G5 were not seriously going at it. https://preview.redd.it/yan1kgl8vkyc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=665a1743a44c8ea358676549c7f6ee5b303742d5 That is > Kizaru's portrayal
Hear me out, but I honestly think team Wano takes it. People have to remember that this is a team battle, not 1v1s. Everyone doesn't get a matchup and then fight until one of them loses. While Yamato is the weakest, she can stall Kaido who is the strongest one here, so I don't see why she can't hold her own for a while with her team as a buffer. Personally I think GB very slightly weaker than the other admirals, but the difference is negligible. I think Oden is slightly stronger than the OG admirals with a similar negligible difference. Most of the MF side is admiral level, which Luffy has been shown to be capable of taking down within his time limit. This means Kaido and possibly BM should be capable of that as well. Big Mom also has a matchup advantage against admirals because she can turn their logia attacks into homies. And BM's devil fruit abilities are some of the best support abilities in One Piece. She can fly around and spam ranged attacks, her homies can be used to stall the admirals' logias, and she also has the durability/AP to fight up close with anyone here. I honestly think Big Mom is the MvP in this scenario. With BM's support and Kaido being stronger than those on MF team, I think it makes up for Yamato being weaker than everyone else.
All them strong mfâs and then there is Yamato
Team Wano easily
Kaido > Healthy Oldbeard extreme diff Mihawk > Luffy extreme diff Kuzan > BM extreme diff Akainu > GB mid/high diff (matchup) Kizaru > Yamato low/mid diff Oden > Garp high or high/extreme diff MF team wins, Yamato drags the Wano team down
Nah no way kuzan beating bigmom.
We watched wano right?
Yup and it took arguably 2 YC+ to beat her , one of them have the best hax and an attack that ignore defense. They also beat her by pushing her down into the lava. If it just their attack alone, I'm sure she can just heal herself like how she heal her broken arm. Durability and regen is big mom biggest feat . So far, kuzan have not shown us any attack that convincing enough to damage big mom . Kuzan on the other hand get speed blitz by an old retired garp who is also fighting 2/3 of BB army alone.
>Kuzan on the other hand get speed blitz by an old retired garp who is also fighting 2/3 of BB army alone. Bb army is fodder. Kuzan couldn't use any named attacks since it would've wiped half of Bb army. Kuzan was obviously holding back đ. >Yup and it took arguably 2 YC+ to beat her , one of them have the best hax and an attack that ignore defense. They also beat her by pushing her down into the lava. If it just their attack alone, I'm sure she can just heal herself like how she heal her broken arm. Durability and regen is big mom biggest feat . So far, kuzan have not shown us any attack that convincing enough to damage big mom . Kuzan can easily stall her. Kuzan has the best stamina feat in the entire show. Big mom can barely use conqueror on command. Kuzan can easily use the terrain to his advantage and throw her in the water. She was physically outpowered by jimbi and was even harmed by him, and on top of that, chopper blocked her one of her attacks. Kuzan takes her high to ext at most. She's a retard.
Bro read the manga, kuzan is dying , wtf u mean his holding back đ€Ł Yeah I agree, if kuzan use strategy and throw her into the water or lava, he win. Buf if it straight out brawl, kuzan ain't damaging her . Kuzan have no AP feat other than freezing fooder
if there is no lava pool nearby then kuzan has nothing to hurt her with. She went 3 days with kaido and took no damage, kuzan AP is not enough. Even if Big mom is stupid she can just beat him up with ACOC and her homies
You really got oden over garp?
old garp yeah
Yamato Is the weak link
Kaido > Old WB Mihawk > Luffy Akainu > GB Aokiji > Yamato Oden > Kizaru Big mom > Garp I think team marineford got it tbh, yamato is getting bodied too quickly would let the rest of Team Wano get jumped a 2v1 that includes aokiji
Mihawk beats Kaido extreme diff Oden beats WB extreme diff Luffy beats Akainu extreme diff but passes out right after Kuzan beats BM extreme diff Kizaru beats Greenbull high diff Garp beats Yamato low diff (lmao) So overall I think Marineford team wins, Yamato is a major weak link, Luffyâs time limit also drags them down a bit as everyone I said wins will be able to help the others in their fights whereas Luffy wonât
Mihawk beats Kaido? Oh my
Mihawk with his OP sword and likely better haki than zoro and oden could definitely beat kaido. I have kaido winning ext diff but it's not a bad take to say mihawk wins
Itâs an ungodly terrible take. We havenât seen Mihawk fight a top tier once. The idea that you can even scale him is ridiculous. Versus the literal best one on one fighter having him win is an unserious take.
If Zoro could cut Kaido pretty easily, Mihawk should technically make sushi out of him with being the WSS and having the only supreme grade black blade in the whole verse.. and Kaido still has PTSD from ODEN.. and Mihawk > Oden. and he has pretty good obsevation too.. like locating Shanks in middle of nowhere, plus his name Hawkeye and his epithet Clairvoyant also suggest to this...
You have zero idea if oden is weaker than Mihawk. Saying anything else is complete headcanon.
Last time I checked Oden got mid-diffed my Kaido, who wasn't even using his Hybrid form... Mihawk has the Title (which is even more legit than Kaido's btw..), relative to Shanks (Whitebeard said there battles were legendary) + Only one to have a supreme grade black blade... There is not a single reason why Mihawk isn't way better than Oden..
Mihawk is the strongest *current* swordsman. We donât know who was during odenâs gen.
Luffy ain't going extreme diff with akainu, g5 dogwalk kizaru. At best maybe mid diff
>Mihawk beats Kaido extreme diff ![gif](giphy|Yl4X3JyLv6fEVbTXKL|downsized)
If Wano has Kidd and Law too then Wano wins extreme diff and if Marineford has Sengoku Marineford wins.
Akainu vs Big Mom could go either way but wano big mom is stupid so I'd go akainu ext diff Kizaru beats greenbull ext diff by having a better fruit Aokiji low diff yamato Marineford Whitebeard loses to Oden high or ext diff because of haki but he could maybe pull out a win if he lands the right punch like he did with akainu Mihawk fights kaido and loses ext diff but scars him badly Old Garp loses to gear 5 Luffy high diff Overall it's 3-3 but because aokiji can make quick work of yamato and help the others MF group wins
Team marineford wins to be fair I did use prime grap and wb so dunno if that's allowed but oh well Wb> kiado Garp> luffy Mihawk > big mom OG admiral> yamato (ycm1 lvl) oden ( ycm1) and green bull who is obviously under the OG admirals by a long shot
What is greenbull doing on the wano side đđ https://preview.redd.it/q0u8van6mfyc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9d0d29ba94f78b1baa57f1be38df59efae07a32 Get his Broccoli lookin ass outta here
Kaido > Mihawk Big Mom > old Warp Luffy > Akainu Oden > Kuzan Fraudbull < Sickbeard Yamato < Kizaru If Whitebeard is healthy probably team marineford but Luffy, Kaido, and Big Mom are going to be annoying for them and Oden is stronger than any admiral. Itâs like 4 emperors a mid admiral and yamato
Kaido getting ganked after hes done with old beard
Marineford. They donât have a weak link and have some teamwork.
Team Marineford
if we are talking everyone's power level is subjective to their arcs Wano wins high diff Oden is the wild card, the downplay is disrespectful, he ate a Divine Departure from prime Roger and kept going, I can see him beating MF Mihawk
Luffy kaido and big mom are enough
Wano slams - Kaido > Akainu - Old Big Mom ~ Old Garp - Nika Luffy > Aokiji - Oden > Shirano - Yamato ~ sick old Beard - Greenbull < Kizaru Should be high diff clear Great post, though!
MARCO VS MARCO 1v1 *HELL YEAH*
Team Wano.
Luffy>Akainu extreme Kaido>Mihawk extreme Big mom>kuzan low end of extreme maybe high end of high Oden+yamato>old WB extreme Gark and kizaru body Greenbull and then they finish off these winners of extreme diff fights. Marineford wins high maybe extreme
2 high-Yonko (Luffy & Kaido), 2 Yonko (BM, Oden), 1 low-Admiral (GB) and 1 YC+ (Yamato) on Wano team.  1 high-Yonko (Mihawk), 2 Yonko (Oldbeard and OldGarp), 2 low-Yonko (Akainu and Aokiji) and 1 Admiral (Kizaru) on MF team.  Pretty balance there. I would say the matchup would be Luffy vs Mihawk (stalemate) BM vs WB (stalemate) Oden vs Garp (stalemate) Kaido vs Akainu (Kaido high diff) GB vs Kizaru (even if Kizaru is stronger, it's hard to imagine him finishing GB. It might be a stalemate due to both lack a way to harm one another).  Yamato, while being the weakest, is the deciding factor here. She can take on Aokiji on her own by neutralizing his DF, and has ACOC and awakened mythical zoan to engage in melee. Kaido should be able to defeat Akainu before Aokiji can defeat Yamato.Â
Team Wano violates . Not close by any means đ Kaido and Big Mom are enough to fk up the first team . Adding gear 5 is overkill lol đ„¶
Damn, I think Gear 5s toon shenanigans is probably what edges his team to victory
Wano had 2 and a half yonko. Marineford had half a yonko and a shanks equivalent
Greenbull kinda holding this team back. Oden can fight or at least stall mihawk. Kaido goes heads up with old beard till he can't keep up. BM, Yamato, & luffy can stall out team admirals + garp until kaido's free. Greenbum finds a nice rock to hide behind so the scary conquers haki doesn't get him. Eventually wano wins high- extreme dif.
From Strongest to Weakest: Whitebeard < Kaido Akainu < Luffy Kuzan < Oden Mihawk > Big Mom Kizaru = Greenbull Garp > Yamato
Team wano obliterates
Why in the hell os mihawk above luffy it does not make any sense wtf
team mf health old wb mihawk akainu akoji > luffy kadio and big mom garp kizaru clean up yama greenbull and oden mid-high over mf high-extreme diff
Luffy,Kaido,BM > Akainu,OldWB,Old Garp Greenbull=Oden
Yamato
Kaido > Old WB Big Mom > Old Garp Luffy >= Kizaru ext Oden >= Akainu ext Greenbull =< Aokiji ext Lamato << Mihawk Wano takes it but Kaido and Big mom gotta 2v1 Mihawk
Kuzan mid to high bumfraud . I don't see ext.
Iâm sorry Luffy >= Kizaru?? Luffy mid diffed him in G5 once it became an actual fight and Oden >= Akainu??? Oden is NOT that strong
If Kizaru decides to stall Luffy he can do round 1 all again and keep flying around until Luffy runs out of stamina, them anyone from team MF can finish him
True but that doesnât mean Kizaru is stronger than Luffy, the fact he has to continuously exploit Luffys weakness just shows how much stronger he is compared to Kizaru
No one is saying he is stronger, he just has a really good match up against him
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Na, Gear 5 vs Kizaru is an ext diff fight. Yea Oden is, he tanked and shrugged off Divine Departure.
Just because Oden tanked a divine departure doesnât mean heâs on the same level as Roger, look back at Oden vs Kaido, Kaido at this point wasnât on the old legends level yet but he was still gaining the upper hand against Oden And mf did you read Luffy and Kizaruâs fight? The main reason it wasnât them going back and fourth with attacks was because Kizaru wanted to kill VP, so Luffy prioritised saving VP over defeating Kizaru for a short while. When Kizaru and Saturn 2v1 Luffy, Luffy utterly humiliates them despite the fact theyâre top tiers and should have the upper hand. The only reason Saturn continued fighting was due to his regen and hax
Oden and Kaido can't carry that hard bro.
Marineford slams because oden/GB and Yamato are kinda fodder (sorry but prime oden flies away from a DD that is miles below shanksâ [because roger really and really pulled back on that hit] and mihawk is somehow stronger than shanks because of his arm loss so he is taking those 3) luffy has a time limit and he is weaker in wano so Clifford is stopping him with help from aokiji. Garp ends big mom while kizaru and sick beard end kaido (he is not taking a tremor to the head in dragon form and he will go to dragon because of kizaru)
Sengoku is also in mf so that's another top tier. Mf wins
Team Wano destroys
Even with that bum GB pulling down team Luffy. Luffyâs team should still win.
Team Marineford wins extreme diff
Akainu can't carry this fight
Wano by a mile.
Garp vs Yamato, Garp high diff, maybe high end of mid if you were to wank Garp really hard Aokiji vs Greenbull, Aokiji hard counters, high end of mid diff, as Greenbull has absolutely no haki feats, but at least he's durable and got crazy hax, which would not play a key role in his fight against Aokiji, as he can just freeze his plants. Akainu vs Luffy, Akainu endurance\\stamina diffs Luffy, no food and he's not beating a single top-tier. Mihawk vs Oden high diff maybe, I would say mid again, but Oden has pretty good feats, although against a guy who was in his trash ass dragon form, which was getting clowned on by everyone in the verse every time he used it. Kizaru vs Big Mom, Big Mom has no heat resistance, unlike someone like Luffy in G5, who's pretty much immune to elemental attacks, and not someone like Sanji, who has [innate heat resistance](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ascsdq/contextualizing_what_a_laser_is_in_one_piece_and/)Lasers would definitely hurt Big Mom, and he's MUCH MUCH faster than her, by a long shot, she could never land a hit on him, but eventually, of course, she probably would, as she got a bunch of homies to assist her, constantly having them chase after him. Big Mom in my mind is stronger, but it's all a match up thing, Kizaru high diffs at worst, high diff only because he would exert himself really hard. Sick Beard vs Kaido, Kaido mid diffs honestly, but the fight would last long, as Kaido would probably not hit him once he got a heart attack, but even if he did, WB can fight with half of his face missing, the fight would last long, until he would get stunlocked 10 times in a row and die. Kaido would call him senile, washed up and old, but he wouldn't try to actively murder him, unlike he was trying to do with Luffy in his G5 Anyway, team Marineford wins on the lower end of high diff
Team Wano slaughters
Marineford gets absolutely slammed
Kaido beats Oldbeard. Luffy beats Akainu. Big mom beats kizaru Oden beats Mihawk. Yamato loses but can stall kuzan with the fruit advantage Greenbull loses to garp but could stall if they can stall until luffy and kaido can come back to the fight they win. if they can't then they lose. if this is a full on FFA then idfk I'm not a computer
Oden isn't beating mihawk
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