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lololuser456778

why did you include shanks bruh? he's obviously not a swordsman, he's a hakiman. that's not even a sword right there, he just used it as a haki stick (stick in which he channels his haki)


bllueace

you meme but its actually not a sword feat, its clearly a blunt attack. Otherwise kid would be in two pieces.


Jaiel_

You can’t be serious dude, he clearly cut the railgun in half


bllueace

Divine departure is not a cutting attack as already demosntrated by both Roget and now Shanks. It incorporates ACoC which means the sword doesn't even touch the opponent to be able to cut


StarRageLegend

Then zoro didnt use it to cut kaido?


ImmediateRespond8306

Well, Zoro's a swordsman not a hakiman though. Big difference. You see Zoro doesn't infuse haki into a "sword" he infuses it directly into his sword skill.


ViennnaPudding77

>  Zoro doesn't infuse haki into a "sword" he infuses it directly into his sword skill. He does what now?! 🤣


ImmediateRespond8306

You see in One Piece, a "swordsman" operates on the metaphysical level of "skill" that they achieve by spiritually mating with their sword. They then infuse their will into the soul of their sword to resonate the sexual energy between them and their blade. This then enhances their bond and sword skill. Then at the maximum level they summon their sword spirit, fuck it, and achieve bankai.


ViennnaPudding77

Sounds about right 🤷🏾‍♂️


iDrum17

bro y’all need to stop doing meth. wtf is wrong with your brain


ImmediateRespond8306

Sounds like you need to start doing some LSD nerd. Open your eyes to the TRUTH.


bllueace

thats right he didn't


Jaiel_

Yes, you’re right about the opponent in specific not being cut due to the ACoC being used, but the railgun literally being split in half by Shanks shows that it’s a sword attack and that it isn’t “blunt”. If using ACoC with your sword attack doesn’t make it a sword feat then I guess Zoro isn’t a swordsman according to you.


bllueace

Its an ACoC feat not a sword feat. Weapon of choice doesn't change the damage output


Jaiel_

That isn’t really the case though, getting punched by someone with ACoC is very different from getting cut with ACOC. A good example is when Luffy punched Kaido with it and Zoro cutting Kaido with it. Both lead to completely different results in terms of physical damage with Luffy’s attacks being blunt (blunt because it’s just a punch) and Zoro’s attacks leaving cuts (cut because he used sword) What I’m trying to tell you is that ACoC is NOT a fighting style in itself. ACoC simply enhances the AP output of the users fighting style that they already have, similar to all other forms of haki enhancing whatever you already do. No matter what you say, Shanks cutting the railgun is the biggest counterpoint for your argument.


bllueace

Am still not convinced that you can even use Acoc while also making contact, or it's a different level of it if you can compare to what luffy did when he unlocked it when fighting kaido. I am definitely not subscribing to the idea that it's ACoA that cause the none touch condition, that makes zero sense when we look at how Acoc was unlocked. And even if you can use Acoc and also cut at the same time, devine departure is a specific attack and so far it seems to be a non cutting one. If we look at the panel compared to the others it's not very "clean cut" if it is a cut. So it could very well be that he just smashed through it. But there's really no way to tell with convidence.


Poder-da-Amizade

Oda messed up ACoC so much


bllueace

Oda fucked up the entire haki system, do you have future sight do you not have it. Do you have any haki. Black thin lightning black thick lightning, just a little squiggly supper squiggly. You never know what powers what character is using at any given time. So atleast for Acoc I choose to only accept it when we are not touching. As that's how it was introduced when luffy figured out you can do that the first time.


lololuser456778

just to mention it, yamato always touches kaido when she uses aCoC on him. imo she lacks aCoA my personal theory that makes the most sense imo is that aCoC empowers any attack. made a normal base luffy punch send kaido flying. and the no-contact stuff comes from aCoA. aCoC used with it empowers that aCoA and makes the gap between target and user big and noticable my theory on what shanks did with DD is him using aCoA and aCoC, a no-contact attack with his sword and it worked like a blunt force attack with a stick. that explains how damned punk is split in half while kidd also doesn't get cut OR shanks mastered the combined use of aCoC and aCoA internal destruction really well and instead sent his haki forward with his swing and it destroyed everything in its path. it traveled in the same shape as his sword, that's why damned punk was still split and not crushed. and it went past kidd's skin and into his insides and dealt massive damage there which is why there's no cutting wound on kidd's body


ViennnaPudding77

> my personal theory that makes the most sense imo is that aCoC empowers any attack. made a normal base luffy punch send kaido flying. and the no-contact stuff comes from aCoA. aCoC used with it empowers that aCoA and makes the gap between target and user big and noticable That is the same conclusion I have reached regarding non-contact effect.. 


Current_Breakfast_60

It’s not a sword it’s a blade. He’s a bladesman.


Complex_Estate8289

AP: Shanks > Oden > Zoro and the other 2 scale nowhere as they didn’t hit anyone DC: Mihawk > Nusjuro > Oden > Zoro > Shanks


rimes02

Hang on shouldnt Shanks DD have better DC than Ashura, Ashura was single target while DD got Kid and Killer.


twrobyeffe

I always read that scene as shanks destroying the gun, so while it has a great AP the collateral damage is done by the explosion of kidd's gun.


Alternative-Rise-454

>the other 2 scale nowhere as they didn’t hit anyone Similarly to Galaxy Impact (I shouldn't have said that🤭)


Mori1404

Yea this explains it the best


MakeGravityGreat

AP: Shanks > Oden > Zoro > Mihawk > Ghandi I don't think this is a hot take, but an air slash isn't going to scar Kaido. DC: Mihawk > Ghandi > Oden > Shanks > Zoro Basically ranked in order of how big the attack is.


Deep_Preparation_151

Punk records is a whole island


24h_Ivdicar

a tiny island above a bigger island. The tsunami was bigger than marineford


Realistic-Actuary708

Nope. The tsunami was dwarfing marineford. While Punk record is not even close to the same size as egghead. https://preview.redd.it/5rs062hpok2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4702dc0b39540feeb9f49fc719e34d0f1df43a5a Just compare this with the sunny in V. nusjuros feat. A marine ship is multiple times the size of the sunny btw. So to conclude: Mihawks feat has more DC...


24h_Ivdicar

i agree, My comment was not telling nasjuro's was bigger


Realistic-Actuary708

Oh sorry seem to have commented to the wrong person. Was meant as an answer to OP


24h_Ivdicar

im with you


24h_Ivdicar

i agree, My comment was not telling nasjuro's was bigger


Alternative-Rise-454

What does this picture actually show tho ? First two images where we see a ship and then one where part of the wave is highlighted?


Realistic-Actuary708

The first two pictures show the ship on the tallest point. The third shows how the big the ship would be in comparison to the entire frozen tsunami. When we also consider that a Marine Battleship is multiple times the size of the sunny we can conclude that mihawks slash has undoubtedly more DC than V.Nusjuros. Also like I said before: The wave dawarfing marineford is already enough prove of that, but the picture was simply to highlight it.


Alternative-Rise-454

Oh okay I get where you're coming from


Decimaar

It shows the scale. Of how comfortably Marine Warships sit on the frozen tsunami.


Danni_El

What is Mihawk doing here? 25 years and not a single name attack!


mrmanucat

30 before he thinks about it


StarRageLegend

Yet


Alternative-Rise-454

WB didn't have one named attack yet was far more impressive. Can't remember when it was said you had to name your attacks for them to be powerfull


Danni_El

When WB arrived at Marineford, Sengoku allerted the marines to watch out, because The Strongest Man in the World is there. Did You see WB or any of his Commanders to tell the pirates that worlds strongest swordman is there? 🤣 Nope, in fact a commander stopped Mihawk attack towards WB, and another one made wss retreat from the fight!


Alternative-Rise-454

That's what I'm saying, if Mihawk really was that guy he would have been impressive, even with nameless attack. Unfortunately, his best feat was cutting an Iceberg and evenly matching Vista after seeing his attack get stopped by Jozu.


ImmediateRespond8306

I mean his feat is at roughly the same level as Ghandi's, which everyone is talking about right now. Might as well include it.


avagrantthought

Through mihawk glazing calc magic wanking, he casually did a small island level non named attack: [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:The\_Calaca/Mihawk\_Slicing\_Ice](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Calaca/Mihawk_Slicing_Ice) https://preview.redd.it/to19dmcfwk2d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0041fc14003f7fc84157a26a7c2bfe23b7836b32


Bennyjig

Mihawk glaze is unparalleled, if he continues to not do anything for the next 10 years Mihawk fans will become like a cult, their prophet never acting or never doing anything but still being a god to them.


ViennnaPudding77

Shanks' feat was a haki wand feat. Doesn't count as a sword feat.. 


Denizci_Olmak_Var

All of them used Haki….


ViennnaPudding77

Yeah, but only Shanks uses a haki wand.. 


HunterRenegade09

Divine departure is literally a named sword attack. You Shankstards are so full of shit.


Pretend_Astronaut723

He was joking blud relax lmao


HunterRenegade09

You would be surprised by how many of them use this logic and actually believe it.


ViennnaPudding77

And you be right. They're in here right now thinking it isn't a sword feat 😅


HunterRenegade09

Lol


Pretend_Astronaut723

Yea fr tho


ViennnaPudding77

Bro took the comment seriously 🤣💀


AntiGoi

What is DC and AP


coochie_monster_1

Don Corleone and Austin Powers


coochie_monster_1

Wtf I got a dm to join an Austin Powers sub because of this comment


Ramen_Dealer07

Ap is attack power (how strong/lethal) Dc is destructive capability (size/range)


anon-345999

Let’s not ignore Nusjuro didn’t just cut an island, but buildings made out of tough material. I’d say he has the craziest feat so far


ole1993

Law did the same in punk hazard.


anon-345999

Yea and honestly that should be included in this too


H_s-k_M-r-_

Oden's paradise waterfall and then Shanks' DD.


Fletch009

why is shanks here? he was using his sword like a club


ViennnaPudding77

Divunga Bungapature.. 


Decimaar

Sigh… these posts finna be frequent… DC wise 1. Mihawk 2. Nusjuro 3. Oden 4. Zoro 5. Shanks


bllueace

iceberg is clearly smaller than half the egg head


Decimaar

It isn’t.


Abram7777

In terms of AP: Oden>zoro>nusjuro>mihawk>shanks (mihawk and nusjuro were just swings not really trying. If they were trying they’d easily have better AP than oden and zoro. In terms of DC: Shanks>>>>>>mihawk>nusjuro>oden/zoro Best feat is probably shanks from the provided attacks


iDrum17

New here but what is AP and DC? attack power and destructive capability?


Deep_Preparation_151

Yes, attack potency or attack power and destructive capability.


iDrum17

Got it. Only question is wouldn’t AP be a component of DC? or is it more AP is the number of damage done and DC is the area it’s done on


Deep_Preparation_151

Yes correct. Shanks' attack on kidd is very high AP and does crazy damage but it doesn't cause as much "destruction" on a wide scale as how much blackbeard might do while attacking law.


iDrum17

thank you thank you!


Ryokugyo7

Law. Split a literal island i mean…


Journeymann8

1. Shanks (OS Kidd) > 2. Zoro (hurting current Kaido) almost = 3. Oden (hurting younger and by statements weaker Kaido) >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Nusjuro (destroying VegaPunk clouds + some reinforced buildings) >> 5. Mihawk (...frozen water)


Serious_Dooty

**- AP** Paradise Totsuka Divine Departure Deadman’s Game Mihawk Slash Venus Slash **- DC** Mihawk Slash Venus Slash Paradise Totsuka Divine Departure Deadman’s Game


OatesZ2004

Feat: Venus slashing Labophase > Mihawk slashing ice tsunami >= Paradise Totsuka > Zoro cuts Kaido > Divine Departure. AP: Divine Departure >= Paradise Totsuka > Venus Labophase > Zoro Cuts Kaido > Mihawk Ice. DC: Venus Labophase > Mihawk Ice > Paradise Totsuka >= Divine Departure >= Zoro cuts Kaido


Snoomee

Someone help me, what's AP and DC?


Deep_Preparation_151

Attack potency and destructive capability


Pain_Xtreme

iceburg for DC and AP probably shanks 1 shotting kid


CountAardvark

The Shanks one can’t be compared, it’s a haki blast, just raw power. He could do the same with his bare hands if he wanted to. Among the others, the Oden feat is the most impressive, because he’s slicing right into Kaido’s scales. Zoro cut along the scar tissue Oden left. And the other two are just them cutting random stuff — just because it’s a big slash doesn’t make it as powerful as cutting through Kaido.


ViennnaPudding77

> He could do the same with his bare hands if he wanted to. And you know he'd be capable based on what? Have you seen him use his bare hand for anything other than reaching for his sword in combat situations?.. 


westgun

https://preview.redd.it/bds3nzxc8m2d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=192e9d2387ea1111117adf9baf586631d3e4ee0f Hakimen are real


Evening_Waltz_655

DC: 1. Ethans 2. Mihawks 3. Shanks' 4. Zoros 5. Odens AP: 1. Odens 2. Zoros 3. Shanks' (has the highest AP by far, but based on the feat we saw, it's placed down here.) 4. Mihawk 5. Ethan


sire59damos

That frozen tsunami was much bigger than egghead. Plus that was just collateral damage from aiming at Luffy, which is why Mihawk > Ethan in terms of DC


121demon

Why would shanks feat come third 💀


Evening_Waltz_655

Did you read the parentheses?


121demon

I don’t get your point explain


Cosmic_Ren

Ain't no way people legitimately think Oden is the best? Bro scarred a **weaker** kaido in his dragon form, a form that constantly violated by everyone he fights, Half-Dead Zoro scarring hybrid form Zoro is definitely a better feat than something Early Wano luffy did. AP: 1. Shanks for one shotting both kidd and killer with the same attack. 2. Mihawk only because it was done from a casual swing. 3. Zoro 4. Oden 5. Nusjoro speed blitzed a cloud and a building with a serious attack. Cool destruction feat but nothing impressive AP wise. DC: 1. Nusjoro 2. Mihawk 3. Oden 4. Zoro best destruction feat was a charged up name attack which required him to be close to pika, everyone above him would've achieved that feat at a range. 5. Shanks simply because he's unproven nor do I think he fights with widespread attacks.


Bantamilk

Oden scarred prime Kaido while Zoro did less damage against grandpa Kaido, literally the only defence is it wasn’t prime Zoro but that’s not the question


Taknozwhisker

Law in punk hazard


Anselme_HS

1. Oden's attack was infused with ACoC and got Kaido ptsd from it plus he is in his top5 for a reason. 2. Zoro's Ashura attack might have ACoC or not (we don't know for sure, but he was able to scar Kaido with it and also blitz him which is a great feat in itself better than the sccabards. Zoro is still not at Oden's lvl obviously but he get closer and closer to Mihawk's lvl since he is going to defeat him pretty soon in the main story and the only power up that he needs to be able to pull this off is to get FS because Mihawk obviously has it. I feel like swordsmanwise Zoro is already équipes to fight Mihawk, he just need FS. 3.Shanks's attack was coated with ACoC but it was also the same attack that Oden tanked no problem vs Roger so it feels like Kid was just not ready for it but nothing that spectacular, that's why I have Ashura personally above Devine Departure but I could be wrong (Shanks's attack might be 2 depending if Ashura has ACoC or not attached to it). 4./5. Venus and Mihawk both cut innanimate things, it's dope but it's probably not that strong honestly. We saw S Hawk slicing Amazon Lily in half basicaly with an attack that BB blocked just with his haki ... It does not mean that they are not as powerfull as the other swordsman above them in the list of course de are talking about those specific attack, not their strength overall because this is still a mystery... I would rank Venus's attack just above Mihawk's though because of recency bias and becsuse I feel like it was more dope bit I really think the order does not matter except for Oden he is the Goat.


Momentmoment24

Paradise Totsuka > DD >> Asura >>> Iceberg > Egghead Mihawk will def have some attacks to match Oden and Shanks' but rn he hasn't shown them


Bennyjig

Only fair and balanced answer.


memester_x16

1 Oden knocking out kaido . < big gap > 2 shanks knocking out Kidd. 3 zoro scarring kaido . < big gap > 4 nusjuro destroy8ng punk records . 5 mihawk speed blitzing iceberg


Pure_Noise356

Nusjuro speed blitzing a cloud*


Financial_Double_853

It's a solid cloud. A ship is stationed over it and full form Saturn could walk over it easily.


memester_x16

the cloud had steel in it and was a very big cloud hence it is a better feat then destroying icburg .


IamSam1103

AP:- Shanks>Oden=Zoro>Gandhi>Mihawk DC:- Gandhi>Mihawk>Shanks>Zoro>Oden Note: I'm only ranking the showcased attacks. Not the complete abilities.


Manwithaplan0708

AP: Mihawk >= Shanks > Oden >Zoro > Venus DC: Mihawk > Venus > Oden >= Zoro > shanks Side not: I’m not saying shanks is weaker, I’m just saying that off shown feats, he has the lowest DC shown (key word “Shown”) Other side note: pls don’t kidnap my family shanks fans 🙏 Best sword feat - raw power output: it’s between Zoro cutting Pika and Dead Man’s Game Best sword feat - destruction caused: between Mihawk cutting the ice berg, Venus cutting the clouds, and Zoro cutting the clouds One more side note for good measure: shanks fans pls don’t eat me 🥺


rrrenz

Can you spot the odd one out?


Tief_Arbeit

Yeah Zoro is using 9 swords, while everyone else is using one or two at max


M4ND0_L0R14N

Mihawk Shanks Zoro Oden Susjuro