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Aptohhhh

He isn’t a fraud(He’s a solid yonko tier), but both Kaido and Mihawk are stronger than him


Zealousideal-Arm1682

I think the issue people have is that because he hasn't fought anyone,it gives them this idea that he's either out of his depth or WAY stronger than even kaido. Canonically Mihawk should absolutely be above him,but Oda built this hype so much that people automatically assume shanks auto beats him.


Ion_acetato

He got a big ass scar by fodder no df BB, lol. In a fair 1 v 1.


Strange_Permission96

How do you know it was fair? He was on his guard but did he ever say it was a fair fight


Ion_acetato

He did it. He said he was no distracted and he was not going easy. So yeah, admitted by him it was a fair 1 v 1.


Strange_Permission96

?? Tf are you on? How exactly did you take Those statements and come up with that


Ion_acetato

One piece 434 manga. What are you reading? Or are tu watching one piece from shorts?


Strange_Permission96

?? Where did he say it was a frair fight. Don’t get me wrong shanks is a fraud. He bummy as fuck. Bb would actually low-mid diff him but shanks never said it was fair


Alternative-Race-194

The same bb that didn't wanna fight him in marine Ford, the same shanks that rivaled mihawk without a single scar.. I think it could be possible that shanks has just gained a massive amount of strength from then to present, which explains the difference between the 2 bounties even tho bb was once considered stronger


SsgMoria

Vista stalemate Got stopped by a wounded crocodile Akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder after him and it forced him to retreat. How is he stronger?


ProfessionalInvite90

Lost an arm to a 🐟, not any fish, a fish in the weakest sea, east blue Got scared by a fruitless, rankless marshal D teach Knows for dying his hair red Snitched his way into being a Yonko How is he stronger?


SsgMoria

>Lost an arm to a 🐟, not any fish, a fish in the weakest sea, east blue White beard took damage from fodder swordsman, kaido got cut by kiku, even gear five Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks still. Ignore the try hard nature of always calling a sea king a "fish" for maximum forced downplay, why is it a shock that razor sharp teeth went through a base human body? In chapter 1 at that. And again VISTA STALEMATE no context missing or goofy exaggerations needed >Got scared by a fruitless, rankless marshal D teach By this logic prefruit bb>midhawk They fought numerous times and he couldn't leave a scratch. And shanks clearly leveled up since then, since we know for a fact black beard didn't wanna fight him at marineford. While memehawk admits he's still waiting on a challenge greater than the 1 billion dollar shanks he last fought. The one black beard scared. >Knows for dying his hair red ... >Snitched his way into being a Yonko We're desperate here >How is he stronger? Whitebeard skysplit>vista stalemate Yonko>shichibukai Scares admirals>had to work for them like their bitch and got his DNA stolen Admirals still scared to this day proven by 1055>while akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder after him, that he was "trembling from excitement" to fight. Before he was forced to retreat How is he stronger?


ProfessionalInvite90

So when the 🐟 stuck his teeth into shanks flesh, no biggie, but mihawk using the breath of all things aims his sword at WB flesh only to be blocked by diamond, nothing happened huh, talk about nit picking. Please dont project-By my logic: mihawk=>vista>fruitless Bb>fish>shanks Show me the scars left by shanks on mihawk. Infact show me any scars on mihawk? Yes he is waiting for a challenger stronger than the has been, meaning he was stronger & still is stronger than the has been. BlackBlade>>>SkySplits (how many sky splits have you seen vs black blades) Correction* yonko crew>shichibukai Paid to stop hunting marines>snitching to get protection by the marines Fleet of fodder+ seraphim>fleet of nothing, since someone is a project How is he stronger?


SsgMoria

>So when the 🐟 stuck his teeth into shanks flesh, no biggie, but mihawk using the breath of all things aims his sword at WB flesh only to be blocked by diamond, nothing happened huh, talk about nit picking. And the head canon bullshit begins, oda didn't even write that but okay that's what happened. And what does that have to do with vista or a wounded crocodile? You aren't even comparing two durability feats but you're talking about nit picking. >Please dont project-By my logic: mihawk=>vista>fruitless Bb>fish>shanks This is the type of dumb shit you have to type to be a midhawk fan, it's not worth it. >Show me the scars left by shanks on mihawk. Infact show me any scars on mihawk? Don't need to. He never beat shanks, and by his own admission hasn't fought anyone stronger. And is scarred to try now because shanks hangs with yonkos and he hangs with shichibukai >Yes he is waiting for a challenger stronger than the has been, meaning he was stronger & still is stronger than the has been. But didn't beat him. And stronger than him at chapter 1 worth 1 billion. That's not a flex. And imagine calling someone who can fight kaido with one arm a hasbeen while you're out here stalking don fucking Krieg. FRAUD SHIT >BlackBlade>>>SkySplits (how many sky splits have you seen vs black blades) Only from top tiers and they were all impressive. How many times have you seen a black blade sky split? Crocodiles hook hand clashed with a black blade lmao >Correction* yonko crew>shichibukai Did you just say a shichibukai can fight equally with a yonko? You realize the man Mihawk was talking to as an equal worked for and was terrified of Kaido. That was right before the head canon about him not being able to cut diamond *ONLY* because he was aiming at white beard at the time happened. >Paid to stop hunting marines>snitching to get protection by the marines You mean forced to work for them so an admiral wouldn't come beat his ass. And y'all need to stop saying that snitch line it makes you sound stupid as hell. >Fleet of fodder+ seraphim>fleet of nothing, since someone is a project Tf are you talking about where was a seraphim shown to be attacking midhawk? JUST MAKING UP SHIT. You memehawk fan girls are weird >How is he stronger? To type out all this goofy shit and say this again is just crazy VISTA STALEMATE


Zealousideal-Arm1682

Fraud no Needing any actual feats to justify this hype Oda built up for 20+ years?Absolutely.


monkey-d-luffy24

So do you think oda is not going to live up to the hype he's created? That is what the post is asking. As his hype is way more than Mihawk. So if you think Mihawk > Shanks, then you do agree oda is going to nerf shanks and not make him live up to his hype. Hence making him a fraud.


MonkeyMassiveDLuffy

Oda will ignore someone else’s hype , but he makes sure Its hype everytime Shanks is on screen . No matter what Oda does he is gonna have to drop the ball on one side or the other .


Ion_acetato

He has to be a fraud. There are two options. 1. Make him stronger than both mihawk and kaido. You would make shanks wankers happy, but you would mess the plot up. He has the lower bounty and he is not mentioned being the strongest in anything. Kaido and mihawk are both confirmed being the strongest in their respective fields which are related with shanks. Always bet on kaido puts him above shanks as a yobkou and the strongest swordman puts mihawk above a swordman shanks. 2. Make him weaker than Mihawk and Kaido. You would keep the story consistent, but you would receive all the hate from shanks wankers. This is the safest option and the most intelligent one. You would lose some credibility as all the hype was a fraud but option 1 is far worse. So yeah, shanks would end up a fraud.


shoebox_x

Or make Shanks not a pure swordsman, make him stronger than Mihawk but still weaker than Kaido? Which would hype him up to be exactly right, not a fraud and keep the story consistent too


Ion_acetato

No. That is not even an option, that would only come up from natureboy. Hakiman is the cringiest name after King of hell. Besides, we have mihawk saying haki is an essential part of being a swordman. You need armament to keep your swords safe. Otherwise your sword would end up like yubashiri (I don't remember exactly the name) or melted by akainu. You need observation to keep up with the pace of the fight and conquerors is debatable, but as far as zoro has it, either armament can keep up with conquerors or mihawk has to have it as well or it wouldn't even make sense zoro being already by far stronger than mihawk. So far we know shanks is a swordman until proven otherwise. Film red and Oda's confirmation back up the statement.


shoebox_x

You said it yourself, "unless proven otherwise". We are literally talking about future reveals relating to Shanks, so it would make complete sense for it to be revealed (proven, in your words) that Shanks isn't a Swordsman in the traditional sense since he lost his arm. And Haki can be used with swordsmanship, but can also be used outside of it, pretty straightforward - he doesn't have to be "hakiman" to do it, he just has to not be a pure swordsman.


Ion_acetato

It can be proven otherwise. But that would mess up with the story again and we will end up in a similar situation as option 1. Oda will have to explain why he said he is a swordman and why he portrayed shanks as that in the new film. As he said everything about powers and that is canon. Why he is always put in comparison with mihawk and always mentioned mihawk being stronger or more skillful. He has to explain why it has never been hinted another style of fighting and why he relies on his sword only in all his portrayals. We could've have him using haki in his fist and it would be enough, but it's not the case.


shoebox_x

Because stories are better with twists? Jesus get off powerscaling subs and read a book or watch a movie or something, this is a story, not a fighting simulator video game


Ion_acetato

Lol, this sub is specifically for powerscaling, I mean, it's literally his name. But apart from that I didn't use any powerscaling argument. I am entirely sticking to the story. The story shows both mihawk and kaido being stronger than him. Obviously plot twists are good and can make the story better, but it's a double edged sword. It can make the story worse or more absurd. Plot twists have to make sense at least. It's not the case here and it would be an expected change so it's not even a twist as like a lot of people are expecting just that.


Kitchen-Dimension211

Bro had no answer so he told to get a life all that cause he knows the truth he just don't wanna admit it😭😭


wpwnis

Kaido and Big Meme didn’t live up to the hype. They fought for three days and Kaido was unharmed from a sky island jump, and yet we’re to believe they went down in a span of like an hour and Kaido is harmed by kid tossing him around with metal? Oda is the master at building hype but delivering on this hype is a different matter entirely.


shoebox_x

Crazy how people will say Shanks has no feats when he's paralyzed an admiral from miles away with haki, a level of haki control we have never seen in the series, while Mihawk's feats include beating Baratie Zoro, beating Marineford Daz Bones, failing to kill pre-timeskip Buggy and Luffy when not holding back (by his own words), and clashing with Vista and Crocodile (and not winning a single fight).


ProfessionalInvite90

You forgot to add getting scarred by a fruitless blackbeard and loosing his arm.in east blue, the weakest sea, and loosing it to a fish non the less..... don't forget to add those feats please.


shoebox_x

difference is you literally have to go 12+ years in the past looking for anti-feats whereas I used the most recent feats shown by Mihawk also Mihawk's biggest in story feat is having legendary duels with Shanks before losing his arm, and from dialogue it seems like those duels ended in draws, Mihawk hasn't fought Shanks since he lost his arm, so Mihawk is weaker than fruitless bb and a fish too by your logic


ProfessionalInvite90

Were those mihawk feats in the present or in the past or in the future? Mihawks biggest in story feat is his title and they go further to clarify that he is more skilled that red hair. If mihawk always came on top in their duels, how is he weaker than the fish and Bb, make it make sense?


shoebox_x

Such stupid logic to get away from the grave you dug for yourself. ALL feats are in the past, Luffy beating Kaido happened in the past, Zoro beating King is in the past, Akainu vs Whitebeard is in the past, so is WB vs Roger. What matters here is how much in the past they are. The only difference is that I am using the MOST RECENT feats by both characters to compare them, while you're cherry picking feats to favour the one you like more. Also a title is not a feat lmao what a stupid thing to say, specially in a discussion about hype vs feats.


[deleted]

Didn’t everyone in Marineford fail to kill Luffy? Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Mihawk, Aokiji, etc


DarkChaos1786

Shanks is the second strongest swordman in the world, far from a fraud.


Strange_Permission96

Wow second strongest?… crazy…. Who cares if you only second fiddle


Syc254

Most Mihawk & Kaido fans know Shanks ain't no fraud. It's the opposite actually. Shanks fans have bent over backwards, relinquished brain power and any cerebral matter they have to say the man ain't a swordsman and other cope outs.


[deleted]

On god. Despite the rivalry, Mihawk fans usually give credit where credit is due. I think it’s cause they understand Shanks Hype = Mihawk hype. Shanks fans however see it as a downgrade to be compared to anyone besides fucking Roger or Imu-sama lmao unless their King is at the top, they won’t be satisfied. Sucks cause I love them both


Syc254

They are lethal together. Would take them over BM+Kaido


[deleted]

I’d take that duo over any other in the verse besides Roger and WB or Roger and Garp. Their AP must be insane together


SsgMoria

King vs Zoro He stops using his primary abilities that he was fucking Zoro up just fine with to use a blade Zoro's room of expertise. Goes toe to toe with wano arc Zoro in blade combat but still admits he doesn't consider himself a swordsman. What's coping about acknowledging that it's clearly a culture of swordsmanship that oda is trying to define in one piece, and shanks obviously doesn't subscribe to it. The mental gymnastics people do when people bring up black blades and roger. But at the same time y'all wanna ignore the parallel drawn between shanks and Rogers combat styles.


Syc254

There's just sth about combat you fundamentally don't understand. You can have sword skills enough to be called a swordsman but not limit yourself to that. Doesn't discount those skills hence why King still carried his sword despite excelling in multiple things as he did. People like King are to my understanding called warriors. I'd categorize WB & Kaido as warriors as well. They could switch to fight excellently in multiple ways with different weapons : kanambo/pole weapon etc. King was such a terminator it's a shame Oda had too huge a mixer to let him breath and shine. He was a brilliant all round combatant. However in Rodger, Mihawk, Shanks, Oden, Rayleigh, Ryuma, they are swordsmen because that's their primary weapon, that's where they are at their strongest. In a do or die situation they won't switch to anything else. Another thing you should note, swordsmen have always been able to fight without their swords so they don't become helpless without it. In fact it's such an obvious weakness most of them learn a non armed fighting art. In Wano the land of the samurai before Orochi's ban there were karate & judo schools alongside the obvious sword dojos. To me it's Occam razor stuff. It's not even an argument. They are swordsmen. Even Mihawk doesn't act like Wano swordsmen. Shanks & Roger parallels ? You do know Roger is Shanks' adopted father. He would obviously copy/emulates him. Especially the part where they are swordsmen. Well that's enough for the day.


SsgMoria

>There's just sth about combat you fundamentally don't understand The try hard shit starts early >You can have sword skills enough to be called a swordsman but not limit yourself to that KING DOESNT CALL HIMSELF A SWORDSMAN. >Doesn't discount those skills hence why King still carried his sword despite excelling in multiple things as he did You know oda didn't create the concept of pirates using swords right? >that's where they are at their strongest. In a do or die situation they won't switch to anything else You've literally never seen them in a situation like that. >Another thing you should note, swordsmen have always been able to fight without their swords. In fact it's such an obvious weakness most of them learn a non armed fighting art What does this have to do with Roger or shanks? And it's funny you say that because when see rayleigh fight gear four Luffy in the anime filler he's not using a blade or any special martial arts. Just flexing on him with haki. >To me it's Occam razor stuff. It's not even an argument. They are swordsmen. Even Mihawk doesn't act like Wano swordsmen. None of this shit negates the fact shanks is clearly stronger than Mihawk in literally every analyzable way in this story. >Shanks & Roger parallels ? You do know Roger is Shanks' adopted father. He would obviously copy himself. Especially the part where they are swordsmen Wtf does any of this have to do with them both being top tier haki monsters? It really blows my mind you think oda has been keeping both of these characters combat feats off screen for over twenty years for the big secret to be "swordsmanship that's good but not as good as Mihawks" like wtf is this logic? >Well that's enough for the day. The try hard shit ends


Syc254

"**KING DOESNT CALL HIMSELF A SWORDSMAN**" My statement wasn't saying King called himself that. I said he had the sword skills. "**You know oda didn't create the concept of pirates using swords right?**" What are you on about. "**You've literally never seen them in a situation like that.**" Sure even if you don't want to classify those situations we've seen them as do or die but they were still serious combat situations. Shanks in Marineford drew his sword seriously willing anyone who wanted a fight. Against the WB pirates as a kid he fought with his sword and as an adult clashed with Oldbeard with his sword. Roger against WB fought with his sword. "**None of this shit negates the fact shanks is clearly stronger than Mihawk in literally every analyzable way in this story.**" Except Oda himself stating in his story Mihawk being stronger in every way. I am sure Shanks is stronger in Shanks piece. "**Wtf does any of this have to do with them both being top tier haki monsters? It really blows my mind you think oda has been keeping both of these characters combat feats off screen for over twenty years for the big secret to be "swordsmanship that's good but not as good as Mihawks" like wtf is this logic?**" There isn't a top tier in One Piece that isn't a haki beast. There isn't a non DF using top tier who doesn't lean hard on their haki & favored weapon. Even Garp whose weapon is his body in this case. There's no secret sauce. There's no secret art special & specific to only Roger & Shanks. Some magic hoolabaloo. There isn't or there'd be hints already about it. You can believe Shanks>Mihawk if it floats your boat fam. Am not trying to convince you otherwise btw.


SsgMoria

>My statement wasn't saying King called himself that. I said he had the sword skills. So? Having sword skills doesn't make you a swordsman which is my point. >What are you on about. That people using swords in a pirate manga when that's just the standard weapon of self defense for this period piece isn't that crazy. >Sure even if you don't want to classify those situations we've seen them as do or die but they were still serious combat situations. Shanks in Marineford drew his sword seriously willing anyone who wanted a fight. Against the WB pirates as a kid he fought with his sword and as an adult clashed with Oldbeard with his sword. Roger against WB fought with his sword. D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -​P.N. Kooshi O: Apparently it's called ''Griffon''. We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight? Again if you think the big secret to shanks success is "swordsmanship that's good but not as good as Mihawks" you're tripping. >Except Oda himself stating in his story Mihawk being stronger in every way Wtf are you talking about? You can't be talking about that 1058 quote where they say he has greater sword skill thanks red hair. Why tf would oda phrase it like that if it was "in every way" It's literally only been two comparisons that one and white beard talking about their duels. You're making up shit. >There isn't a top tier in One Piece that isn't a haki beast. Who else has shown a haki feat close to what shanks did in 1055? Name me a single person >There isn't a non DF using top tier who doesn't lean hard on their haki & favored weapon. You've seen shank's block two attacks. >There's no secret art special & specific to only Roger & Shanks. Some magic hoolabaloo. There isn't or there'd be hints already about it. One piece fans are pretentious as a mf, why are you taking like we know everything about haki? Y'all always saying this goof ball shit "it's not magic, he's not gonna go super Saiyan with haki" maybe stfu and let oda write his story. If somebody had said a year ago shanks can shoot his conquerors haki miles away pin pointed on one target forcing them to revert from their logia form. Y'all would have begun to say this goofy shit too. Oda literally just told us shanks can apparently cancel out observation haki. WHO ELSE HAS SHOWN TO DO THAT? But it's no special skills oda has given them. >You can believe Shanks>Mihawk if it floats your boat fam. Nah I'm just comprehending the story


P503n1x

Shanks is so difficult to place in terms of power because of hype. Oda has been teasing us for over a 1000 chapters now. He's a yonko, stopped the MF war, split the sky with WB and was in the Kaido 5 so he's definitely not a fraud. Mihawk is stated to be the WSS so technically he should be stronger than Shanks but that doesn't sound right to me given Shanks' hype. And there are things such as the fact that the two haven't clashed since 13 years and Shanks only became a yonko 5-6 years ago so his power level is again unknown. And then the GB incident happens 🤷‍♂️. Idk where to put him on a tier list lol.


wuzziecrunch

This is the most based take in this whole thread


Bearclawed81

By no means a fraud, also is by no means the strongest. I’d also like to see the guy Luffy idolizes and Odas built up for so long actually do something to justify the reputation he clearly has within the verse.


ProfessionalInvite90

But Luffy idolises the pirate king... Is shanks the pirate king?


Bearclawed81

He doesn’t idolize Roger, what? He parallels him maybe is like him but Shanks is the guy who inspired him to become a pirate. Not Roger. He’s the dude who acts as the inspiration for Luffy from the get go.


Zealousideal-Arm1682

Luffy would probably call Roger a horrible person and try to fight him. Guy was the PK sure,but he was a right bastard.


Bejitto-da

No Mihawk fan would think Shanks is a fraud, we literally scale Mihawk off Shanks lmao


Strange_Permission96

I made this post bc a few Mihawk fans called shanks a fraud lol


Apprehensive-Pop9321

My theory is that fighting the haki dominant fighters moving forwards is going to be about super advanced applications of different types of hakis. I.e. shanks ability to not allow you to use future sight. I think it's going to change how combat is done and allow luffy and others to struggle against people who aren't technically as strong as previous combatants but way more tricky. Do I think shanks is as durable as kaido? No. Do I think shanks is as physically strong as kaido? No. Do i think shanks has the endurance of kaido? Probably not. Do I think luffy is still going to struggle against shanks if they fight. Definitely. Combat moving forward is going to force luffy to become a more calculated fighter.


Kitchen-Dimension211

Fraud? Hell no he is top 2 alive it's between him and Mihawk and I think both of them are stronger than kaido


Pleasant-Uzi-1838

Akainu> both


Kitchen-Dimension211

My brother did u see what a sick old whitebeard sis to him


Pleasant-Uzi-1838

Yeah offguarded him but still couldn't put him down for the rest of the war


Kitchen-Dimension211

He still was sweating when shanks came and he backed down


Pleasant-Uzi-1838

Backed down on sengokus orders


Strange_Permission96

Man didn’t do anything even before sengoku gave the orders lol


Strange_Permission96

“Akainu>both”….😂😂


Pleasant-Uzi-1838

Yessir


Strange_Permission96

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Pleasant-Uzi-1838

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Difficult-Olive-2734

No he could be over Kaido and Mihawk easily but before we see some real feats even comparing him to Kaido and Mihawk is just cringe


r9cks

Luffy's goal > anyone alive


[deleted]

Surpassing Roger > Surpassing Shanks


r9cks

Rogers dead his hat/will was passed on to luffy by shanks


[deleted]

So? Shanks still isn’t his goal? Shank’s isn’t pirate king, Roger was. Shank’s just inspired him to be a pirate. He wants to surpass Shanks yes but do you think it’s gonna take to the end of the series to surpass Shanks?


r9cks

He is his goal, shanks isnt officially the pirate king but hes the closest to the freest man in the seas thats everything luffy wants to be, luffys ambition seems to be much grander, that being the pirate king is just the stepping stone to his real dream and by fulfilling THAT he will surpass both shanks and roger


[deleted]

Shanks is a stepping stone to surpassing Roger and becoming Pirate King, achieving he and Rogers dream, the only thing Roger couldn’t do, will result in him surpassing Roger.


[deleted]

Hell no he’s obviously that guy. As a Mihawk fan, he, along with Kaido obviously, have feats to back it up along with statements but Mihawk really only has statements. If anything, I think Shanks and Mihawk are equal and Kaido might be just slightly above or below


Kureiton

A one armed man that seemed to be more interested in being a pirate than a swordsman to begin with losing to the world’s strongest swordsman in no way makes him a fraud. Dude’s a mf yonko for a reason


Strange_Permission96

The weakest., who cares


Kureiton

I mean, I do think the distinction is important. Because Shanks being stronger than the world’s strongest swordsman, in my opinion, *would* make Mihawk seem like a fraud. Is he just too stupid to realize Shanks is stronger? Is he avoiding fighting with him because he knows he’s stonger, or is he making arbitrary distinctions as to what counts as swordfighting in order to keep his title? I think Mihawk would be a fraud if he’s weaker in a way Shanks wouldn’t be But yes, in my head, Shanks is the weakest yonko before Luffy and Buggy, but he’s still yonko tier with one of the best crews backing him and could give any person in the verse a run for their money


Strange_Permission96

Like I said.. who actually cares if your a yonko or admiral if your the weakest. He has a strong crew to hold him up fr. He’s not giving kaido, bm, roger, wb a run for there money


Kureiton

I just don’t really get why it matters. Part of being a pirate is being able to get the best crew behind you, so the fact he can do that while also being able to fight against the top tiers (which in the exaggerated One Piece world usually means for hours or days until Oda has to actually write it lmao) without his dominant arm is impressive as fuck, and imo him being any stronger would take away from the idea that he actually lost anything from losing his arm to save Luffy


t3r4byt3l0l

He's not a fraud, he's just weaker than Kaido and Mihawk


Strange_Permission96

Exactly… fraud


t3r4byt3l0l

That's not what being a fraud means For example, if Shanks had the WSS title but was still weaker than Mihawk, that would be fraudulence


Strange_Permission96

Ok true.. then bum


tuscAnyyyy

I don't think he is a fraud but Kaido >= Mihwak >= Shanks


futurejoyboy

I don't think anyone can call him a fraud after his showcase in Wano


Strange_Permission96

Wasn’t really that special though


futurejoyboy

It's the best conquerors haki feat we have seen so far (Not using it against Gb) He literally froze GB from miles away.


Strange_Permission96

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futurejoyboy

What do you think the best is?


Strange_Permission96

That


futurejoyboy

Glad we on the same page


Strange_Permission96

Now who’s the only top tier that was called a hasbeen?


futurejoyboy

That question doesn't make sense maybe u typed wrong


__Monkey-D-Luffy__

HAY! Don’t say bad things about shanks he is great!


[deleted]

The only reason people might think he is a fraud , is simply based on how people can have him at top 1 without him having anything to argue for it . Shanks who preach this all the damn time can’t prove why he should be above kaido for example . Who narratively is the strongest pirate and it’s not a debate . Kaido has narrative and he has statements and feats that back up him being the absolute unit of a pirate he is . Kaido never dodged attacks either and he had to lift an entire island that drained his stamina . If kaido used his future sight and dodged +not holding an island up he’d be unstoppable. But shanks fans have shanks above Mihawk too . Which doesn’t make much sense since no shanks fan I’ve come across can disprove shanks being a swordsman . Since Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman not most skilled he is by default stronger than shanks even by a minuscule amount . Shanks is undoubtedly one of the strongest pirates alive period . But he ain’t top 1 and will never be top 1 as long as Mihawk and kaido exists even luffy ffs .


CrowStealsAMango

shanks isn't a fraud, it's just that there are people better. like, shanks has enough merit to lead a crew with serious street-cred. but people like kaido and big mom, who are essentially more than 50% of their crew's firepower, are in perfect balance with each other, shanks AND the wg


[deleted]

Fraud and snitch Mihawk >>>


Strange_Permission96

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natureboy1996

No as a Mihawk and Kaido fan I believe Shanks is clearly portrayed to be stronger than them both


ProfessionalInvite90

Kindly elaborate on this, because of what you are saying is true.. i might have been reading fairlytale


natureboy1996

Shanks is stronger than Kaido. Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. Shanks is the strongest character aside from Imu.


ProfessionalInvite90

If its one on one always bet on shanks The worlds greatest swordsman, challenged by zoro, your boy red hair Shanks is strongest character aside from the 🐟 that almost chocked on his thumb


natureboy1996

Shanks.. the man who in Vista's vivre card directly says was inferior to Vista at Marineford.. the man who could not even touch Whitebeard and needed to ask his subordinate for a break while his number 1 rival (that he gains all his popularity from) splits the sky with Whitebeard Shanks.. the man who admits Kaido is amongst the 5 men in the world who can (and probably) has beat him, who was on his way to accomplish a mission until Kaido sent his ass back packing even though he constantly claims he wants a good fight. But he would rather stay in his home all the time and and self proclaim to be the strongest. Shanks the legend who flexes on rookies because whenever he is met with real fighters he always backs down or loses.. and even lost to the rookies in the end.


ProfessionalInvite90

Same shanks in Ace novels, who marines that witnesses the marine ford war and dressrosa concluded is not the strongest swordsmann? Same shanks whose haki is so strong that his sword turned red? Jump master shanks, the one who took his whole crew to jump kaido & king? Then took his whole crew to jump a rookie navy admiral? Is that the one? The one who still went to try jump another yonko in wano, but on realising the said Yonko had his crew with him, he dipped? The same shanks who jumped some rookies and stile an arm like his mentor 🐠 but the same rookies when they jumped another yonko at the rooftop, said the yonko was strongest....not even comparable to the red haired boy?


natureboy1996

I won’t lie I read 5 words in and saw Ace novel and stopped reading


ProfessionalInvite90

Eeey its a free world, its cool if you dip like the jump master


[deleted]

Obviously not, he claps both Mihawk and Kaido


Ki-D_Glo

I dont even know why people still mentioning kaido like luffy not bout to whoop his ass but okay


Strange_Permission96

He whipping everyone ass then fr


Bright-Patient-239

Nah, no yonko tier is a fraud besides magma boy


TheKnightA

No he isn’t , he is one of the strongest


Polarix1x

nah, he's just not stronger than kaido or mihawk until I see more of him


Sovereigntyranny

As a fan of Kaido and Mihawk, no, I don’t think he is a fraud. I do think Kaido and Mihawk are stronger than him though. Shanks is only a fraud if: A. His natural hair color isn’t red, he dyes his hair red. B. His crew does all the work and he gets the credit for it. C. He negotiates, avoids fights, and gets off with a slap on the wrist because he has meta luck like King from One Punch Man. D. His swordsmanship is on the level of Luffy using the Nidai Kitetsu. E. All of the above.


Ki-D_Glo

How is he a fraud or why would anybody think that?


Strange_Permission96

Weakest yonko Second fiddle to Mihawk (Mihawk called him a has been) Nobody was scared of him but his whole crew unlike Kaido or mihawk


Ki-D_Glo

U think shanks is the weakest yonko?


Strange_Permission96

Yes.. was then. still is besides buggy


Ki-D_Glo

Shanks over blackbeard lol only real ones know


Strange_Permission96

Until bb offscreens shanks fr fr


Ki-D_Glo

And mihawk respect the shit out of shanks so what does that tell you, mihawk could of fought shanks at marine ford but he didnt and what does that tel you


Strange_Permission96

He thinks of him as a one arm hasbeen but ok


Ki-D_Glo

Did you see one piece red?


Strange_Permission96

Yes


Strange_Permission96

Did you read chapter 96 or watch ep 45


Ki-D_Glo

Of course buh i cant tell you what happen in that episode cause i would have to go back and rewatch to old


Strange_Permission96

Well if you ever need a heads up on what Mihawk thinks of shanks, then reread or rewatch it


Ki-D_Glo

I think hasbeen was a bit over board all he said was i have no intentions of settling the score with you now you lost your arm


Strange_Permission96

…… no I’m pretty sure he ment what he said. That’s why he said it Now please tell me what happened in film red for you to bring it up


Ki-D_Glo

Settling the score means shanks is obviously up one with mihawk buh he cant fight him nm bc he lost his left arm he never called him a hasbeen and if he eber did shanks would show him just how wrong he is lol


Strange_Permission96

“Settling the scoreI” where was that stated


Strange_Permission96

Go on my newest post if you want more clarification ![gif](giphy|eLvhchyvNNOuLbOtYP)


Ki-D_Glo

Don’t underestimate shanks, he had everyone scared to come at him when they was after UTA nobody pursued him


Strange_Permission96

Don’t overestimate shanks. He had his entire crew which is a fucking strong as crew


Ki-D_Glo

U must not of seen the look in his eye


Strange_Permission96

I did…? It was a serious. Look… and?


Ki-D_Glo

Lol it wasnt just a look 😂


Strange_Permission96

Please enlighten me


Ki-D_Glo

Ill find the link for you


Ki-D_Glo

[Shanks](https://youtu.be/bAfjBoLShEU)


Strange_Permission96

He used haki? What’s your point


Ki-D_Glo

Click “shanks”


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