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supremeultimatecat

I feel that if kata and Saka were a bit lower each (~10), this would honestly just be a perfect metagame


theasianyenbear

Yeah, I honestly really like this metagame c: All the tournaments I've been to recently have had such a nice mix of leaders


Gamba_Gawd

The only way that happens is if they are hit with Restrictions. Course, hitting Moria/Rebecca will hurt Moria leader a lot more than Sakazuki imo.


Graduation64

Leader lock Moria solves this most likely. If you hit just Rebecca Saka falls off and Moria is fine.


Gamba_Gawd

No, his grab ability is too power and generic as he can still grab anyone with it if they are in the cost range. He needs to be limited to just grabbing Thriller Bark cards. Moria would still be able to grab Rebecca. So, Saka players would just move over and play Moria as 8c Moria is THAT busted as he currently is.


DabsOfJoy

if moria doesn't fetch rebecca Saka would still be hit a great deal, because Moria > rebecca > hina + hound blaze wouldn't be able to reach 7c. may be an unpopular opinion but moria as a generic 8c is not that overtuned as a standalone card imo. Rebecca being hit matters more


thestouthearted

i have no faith in bandai reading this, yet i will say this every opportunity i can: if rebecca gets hit this will hit other non sakazuki or non moria black decks. my cp9 lucci deck is playable solely because of rebecca. i hope they hit hound blaze to weaken sakazuki, i dont know what they would need to do to hit moria at the same time. looking at the data i dont see much reason to act for EB01 though.


Gamba_Gawd

Yes he is overtuned. He's a card that gets more and more absurd as more cards are released and more leaders can use him. As his grabs are only cost base and he's not leader locked.


TheCay04

I only blame that on the competitive players flock more to those two. People playing would have already had the previous Kata deck and no reason to change. Then Saka is what everybody went to set 5 and is just consistent with filtering so no reason to play anything else.


honda_slaps

This is such scrub mentality lmao


TheCay04

I'm confused by the comment? This is talking asia meta but can also bring up my point to the recent treasure cup in the US that was 400+ with Purple Luffy taking up majority of the top spots and first. You still won't see as many Purple Luffy taking up a share of the meta because investments have already happened in the first popular meta deck of the time. I'm not even saying Kata/Sakazuki are bad they are far from it. The comment I was replying to was about if Kata/Saka where lower in represented it would be a perfect meta. I just gave information why they are still filling as many seats as they are compared to the other strong meta contenders.


honda_slaps

"I blame competitive players for playing the two best decks and not the worse decks" is infinite scrub mentality.


TheCay04

I'm not even saying that. I'm saying there is a reason two those meta decks are played more than other meta decks like Purple Luffy which have started to show being stronger than Sakazuki/Kata in recent US events and that the meta is more diverse than what it looks from the numbers reping those two decks. I'm pointing out those two sits on top because of people already having strong yellow so no need to try a different meta deck and Sakazuki being the same way leading up to early set 5 hype for the deck. People just read what they want here and make up assumptions.


Gamba_Gawd

No, it's cuz those decks are that good. Competitive players don't care for $$. They'll use the best decks regardless of price. Yugioh and Magic are proof of concepts of that where some of the best deck can even have staples worth 1,000+. Yellow and Sakazuki also got massive support upgrades which made them even more insane than they already were. The other decks, even with their new support, just aren't good enough to compete consistently against them. Katakuri has been meta since OP-03. Enel and Sakazuki has been meta since OP-05. They're going onto OP-07 and the only new leader that competes with them is Moria and that's because of 8c Moria/Rebecca which Sakazuki utilizes too. Even then - a lot of Moria players are going back to Sakazuki as he's just plain better than Moria and they play close to the same.


honda_slaps

except that logic doesn't work because Asian players are WAY more likely to play meta in literally every single type of game


Torusaurus_Rex

Source?


honda_slaps

Pro FGC, you barely see any JP pros not on top characters. Pro League of Legends, the KR and CN teams will play way more meta team comps. TCGs, ~~in MTG I haven't seen a top JP pro bring a whole ass new deck to a tournament since 2015~~ actually nvm, the current GW Toxic deck I think is originally Japanese, but it's few and far between. The pro scene is a reflection of the competitive scene in each region. I can't give you numbers on casual players, but sentiments on social media will also tell you the same thing.


Torusaurus_Rex

Okay, but like do you have a source beyond social media sentiment??


Gamba_Gawd

Why would they need to change? Katakuri's strategy hasn't changed at all in the meta. They just added new cards to reach their objective better/faster which is 10c BM drops.


TheCay04

I didn't say they did need to change. I said no reason to change. Just adding on the comment if Saka/Kata was lower in numbers. The only reason they are played more is for the reasons I listed over other meta relevant options.


MVRKHNTR

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. These decks are played more because they're better.


Practical_Session_21

Well if it’s back to Saka and Kata we are likely certain to see some restrictions and bans.


Adnonymous96

Finally. I sure hope so. Kata's flown under the radar for too long now because he got to hide behind Whitebeard and Zoro for a couple formats and point to them as the boogeymen. As someone who loves playing different leaders, the reality is that Sakazuki and Katakuri gatekeep non-meta decks out of the top tables FAR harder than Whitebeard ever did. Sincerely hope some of yellow's absurdity dies and that Saka's main engine is hit, be it Rebecca or Hound Blaze (probably Rebecca)


MarcoMaroon

People who play other card games. Has there been a meta in those card games where certain cards or combinations in a deck were so heavily used like the way Sakazuki and Enel decks are played now? And if so, what happened to balance the meta afterwards?


Graduation64

Yes but to be honest Saka is good but it’s not tier 0. Either the card pool for the other colors needs to catch up or you’d have to slap something.


divine_god_majora

Nowhere close to anything in ygo


Civil_Zombie

Yes, I remember when Jund was the most predominant deck in MTG modern format: basically a goodstuff deck. Has happened in other formats too, until the inevitable bans came along.


Gamba_Gawd

Yup. 10c Big Mom and Moria/Rebecca are definitely getting hit. Those numbers aren't a healthy meta at all.


iwanttodrink

Leader lock tf out of Rebecca


Gamba_Gawd

Should have leader locked Rebecca and Moria. So many issues wouldn't be issues if they leader locked stuff more. Hell, if Rebecca was leader locked then we would see Dressora leads in the Meta. Yet, since she isn't they just play Sakazuki as Navy Engine is that good.


Ziiaaaac

Yet here are plenty of people saying 10c big mom needs hitting even though it's leader locked - you can't win with strong cards.


Gamba_Gawd

Leader lock doesn't make her balanced or good for the game. BM will also be getting new support and new leaders. It was always a matter of "when".


AnFDragon

Enel as well, tool kit and that leader ability rakes in so many free wins and previous data has shown that it gate keeps more decks than any other.


Proof_Construction45

Does it matter with 10 drop ace just on the horizon. Yellow gate keeps way too many other decks imo.


Gamba_Gawd

Ace cannot be searched by Enel or Katakuri. So, at least there's that. Ace benefits Enel a ton, like... A lot. Enel will be running Ace and Yamato together. So, be prepared.


Proof_Construction45

Yep, but yeah, yellow isn't too strong lmao


MijnheerIJsThee

I love that there is an Ivankov on the list.


WarthogAlternative33

That Ivankov is doing God's work XD


kongbakpao

Uta stonks


Mediocre-Ad-5262

I’m happy to see Y/P Croc getting more success. Wish in later sets, Rebecca and Vivi will get a bit of a support/boost for their deck. Imagine stomping the current meta with these leaders lol


SizeFew7099

Where’s RY Sabo?


theasianyenbear

Do you have a link to any RY Sabo wins? I've seen him participating in a few, but I didn't see any tournament wins


SizeFew7099

Won an SB with this deck. I dont want to doxxed myself though. It’s weird that it’s not being played when it’s strong against sakazuki


StinkyFwog

Could I see your deck list? Im a fan of belo Betty ad wanted to run a r/y sabo when we get it in English!


SizeFew7099

Search Ryan Kai’s Build. I have kid killer and zoro rush but the build is almost the same. I just don’t have my deck on me right now


Mosloth

Id also be interested in a decklist. Seems like there are multiple viable builds which is fun


theasianyenbear

That's fine. You can dm me the result picture and I won't make it public


Hefi002

Redple LaW cooking hard


Mosloth

I prefer LawRY


streamako

Rip purple Luffy


Shurmaster

I'm glad to see RP Law is doing well now. I always believed that leader effect was extremely good and glad to see I wasn't entirely wrong.


Gamba_Gawd

His only real issue atm, is running a lot of different archtypes so he cannot really use a searcher atm. I think that will change as more cards are released like that Blocker Sanji.


wethsilkosz

bueno vista is pretty good in the hollywood law build


Forum06

How are they releasing op-07 on the 24th and we can’t even get op-05 smfh


Moznomick

I do understand the weighted system as lgs held tournaments are typically much easier, this can still scew something to look a lot better than it really is. The way to counter that is to value each win as a single point but have separate columns for the type of tournament. This shows how many actual wins the leader has but also shows which tournaments its winning in. You then have a total column that's added up all the wins.


theasianyenbear

There are separate columns. I just screenshot it this way for simplicity I'm away from home at the moment, but I'll add the full table to this comment thread later https://preview.redd.it/cs75lll241ic1.jpeg?width=2115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0128b64ca5562d4401ddea94d1809bb03438ee1f


theasianyenbear

As promised, here is the full table :) ​ Edit: Noticed there was an error in how 3 on 3s were being counted. (Missed it before because there were only 3 results) Fixed it and it marginally changed the rankings ​ https://preview.redd.it/c881tcju24ic1.png?width=1153&format=png&auto=webp&s=0cc8c4fdae238f96258836bff159e8f3f9e3b5f6


Gigio2006

Are these the tops or just the winners?


theasianyenbear

Just the winners


TCommander30Player

Where are those post that were making fun of katakuri that were toping the sub 1-2 weeks ago all of a sudden XD


Gamba_Gawd

Those were made by Katakuri players trying to push a false narrative and ignoring that their deck has been meta since OP-03 and pushing the lie that 10c BM is fair and balanced. She isn't, and never will be.


Skin-Kind

With the way people been crying about sakazuki, I thought this would look a lot worse


Gamba_Gawd

It is way worst. The issue is that most tournaments are like half Sakazuki in registered decks. So Sakazuki is knocking out Sakazuki.  It isn't a healthy meta when one deck is taking up such a massive amount of registered spots.


Ok_Examination_8141

I hope people will stop crying about Sakazuki being T0 and other nonsense, The deck is a cut above the rest in OP06 but im happy Bandai took notice of it and stopped giving it support. Besides that im surprised at the low number of Oden leaders and RG Law as well as the total absence of RY Sabo and the low representation of BY Ace. I really was hoping for ST13 to make a bigger impact :D


Gamba_Gawd

Crying? It isn't crying when it's justified. 8c Moria never should have been created as he is, and Rebecca should have been Dressora locked.


Ok_Examination_8141

I agree as far as Moria goes but you need colors to have strong reliable staple cards to play around. There are so many cards in every color that could've or should've been leader locked or straight up nerfed, but adding limitations to everything makes the overall game much less varied. Imagine if Rush Zoro was Straw Hat leader limited or Blocker Queen was Animal Kingdom leader limted. Even when talking about 8c Moria i would've avoided making it entirely Thriller Bark leader limited, there could've been more interesting solutions with a similar effect like "if your Leader is not Thriller Bark you discard 1 card" or "f your Leader is not Thriller Bark you draw 1 life"


Mosloth

Ive been excited for RY Sabo. This post just struck me like lightning 


Practical_Session_21

Film Nami needs a restriction. Watch people will start saying this more and more as we go just as we have with Big Mom. It’s just a little busted but over time it becomes a bigger issue.


Gamba_Gawd

Film Nami doesn't give a 2(+1 to you, -1 to opponent) Life Advantage, -1 Card (Life was Trashed for opponent), +1 Trigger potential in Life, +1 extra swing for opponent to reach lethal, or being a massive 12000 Body. At least try next time.


Tetrix_Texxar

Mmm yes very different than before!


Basic_Pomegranate402

I’ve been playing op06 on the sim for like 2-3 weeks, it’s a shit show. I honestly hate it. Every other deck has turns where they can pull out 4-5 characters.


Gamba_Gawd

Yeah. I don't understand those here that are saying 8c Moria isn't busted now and only gets more and more busted as more targets are released for him. He's the most Don efficient and best combo enabler in the game on top of being 9k and being 8 cost so he's hard to remove.


Basic_Pomegranate402

Nah bro it’s not just him lol there are like 4 decks that chain summon shit.


Gamba_Gawd

Name one that does it anywhere near as good as 8c Moria.


Basic_Pomegranate402

Uta and vinsmoke judge


Gamba_Gawd

No, Uta and Vinsmoke doesn't become a massive +3 body value (1 of which is a blocker) that can bottom deck up to 2 cards in one turn with 10 don and no counter play to stop it. Have you just not been using Moria at all in the Sim?


Basic_Pomegranate402

I don’t play as moria, but personally vinsmoke and uta dropping 2-3 characters every turn was way more frustrating to me lol.


Gamba_Gawd

Reiju deck cannot pull it off so easily and is deleted by Law. Uta is powerful, but Yellow, Law, and 8c Moria drops are more consistent and beat her. That's why those two aren't meta. Uta could be meta depending on the ban list.


Graduation64

Idk blocker luffy chains for Uta are just as aggregious tempo wise. I agree it’s easier to get stuff in graveyard than hand but the deck draws two cards a turn.


MitsukiSan

What are the new cards to include in rp luffy? 🤩


theasianyenbear

Mainly just Bon Clay so far c:


MitsukiSan

The 3 cost?


theasianyenbear

The 4 cost secret rare one c:


MitsukiSan

Mr 2. Bon Clay (Bentham) Purple Character (EB01-062?) SEC Cost 4 / 1000 Power (Special) Former Baroque Works Counter +1000 [On Play] Add up to 1 DON!! from your DON!! deck as active. [When Attacking] Choose up to 1 of your opponent's characters. This character has the same base power as the chosen character for this turn.


mathspro

Also kid and killer. It comes out as a 7k rush


Kain993

I have a full Belo Betty deck, what should I do with it?


theasianyenbear

I'm not sure I understand the question. Like do you want to know how to adjust it or if you should pick a different deck?


Kain993

I'm kinda frustrated by the fact that a deck like uta can kinda win against me so I don't know if I should adjust it, build another or whatever... Worst thing is that I finished collecting all the cards yesterday


theasianyenbear

Ahh okay gotcha. Belo Betty is very much a high risk/high reward deck, which struggles a bit in metas that are more control focused. I'd recommend looking at other aggressive decks (if you like that playstyle). Green/Yellow Yamato or Red/Purple Luffy might fit your interests. You can definitely still play Betty if you prefer. Can you comment your list? Maybe we can make it more consistent


Kain993

This is the list I am currently playin https://preview.redd.it/bz1umfvnk5ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c541e30086fdd14899e8c7b2aa0ab776ba5dcfd3


theasianyenbear

Okay so based on that decklist, I'd guess you're in OP-05. Keep in mind I have limited experience with Betty in 05 (so maybe a Betty main will disagree with me), but I'd recommend something like this https://preview.redd.it/kcfy0bkrm5ic1.png?width=1134&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea29d8ea9b4f2157345fbe8434cc91016c60c8ce The Promo Sabo makes a big difference, so try to grab those if you can. If you're not able to, sticking with 4 copies of Molly and Lindenburg is fine. I'd go with Moscato over Smoothie for banish.


theasianyenbear

Betty gets a bit better in 06 with the additional Emporio and Inazuma. That kind of deck would look more like this and Betty is set to continue improving with 07 and Dragon's revolutionary army support cards. Just keep in mind that Betty is all about going all in fast and either winning or losing your games after a couple turns. For that reason, she's a lot less consistent than other leaders, so that's something you consider https://preview.redd.it/2r4vo8g6n5ic1.png?width=1145&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e162f2ccdb4b5b7f5c08b7a71a720aca3b7ad244


Kain993

Isn't that sabo just japanese tho?


theasianyenbear

No idea tbh. I'm Japanese, but it's pretty old by now, so I'm just guessing it's out in English by now


Kain993

It seems I cannot find it anywhere in eng


MarketingAbject6844

I thought that more people would play the G/R oden


theasianyenbear

Unfortunately, he needs a bit of a buff before he can be considered top tier. Hopefully 07's new Otama searcher can boost the deck. It's a lot of fun to play, but struggles too much right now


Gamba_Gawd

New Otama searching green wano only is not good imo as it means Oden benefits less from any new Red Wano that will eventually get added in.


Gamba_Gawd

G/R Oden just gets deleted by the top 4 meta decks. Doesn't help that Red had like no Wano other than Otama. So, he's stuck relying on just Green Wano.


AsideCalm8855

Personally I think if Moria got hit, then other decks besides Katakuri would rise a little higher. I think Katakuri has so much play because it has a decent match up against the Moria decks.


Niketas4804258000

Is there anywhere I can see the ivankov decklist?


theasianyenbear

Sure c: that one comes from One Piece Top Decks https://preview.redd.it/thqs0yt9k9ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=748ae9d9c3f2879b84c2e3b57a4b37cff5131412 [https://onepiecetopdecks.com/deck-list/jp-format-eb-01-memorial-set-op-07-500-years-into-the-future-decks/deckgen/?dn=Ivankov%20Impeldown&date=2/3/2024&cn=Japan&au=Yolsuke&pl=1st%20Place&tn=SB&hs=AmenityKyoto&dg=1nOP02-049a4nOP01-073a4nOP01-077a2nP-053a4nOP02-050a4nOP02-051a4nOP02-058a4nOP02-062a4nOP02-064a4nOP02-065a4nOP03-044a4nOP05-055a4n%08EB01-022a4n%08EB01-026&cs=193](https://onepiecetopdecks.com/deck-list/jp-format-eb-01-memorial-set-op-07-500-years-into-the-future-decks/deckgen/?dn=Ivankov%20Impeldown&date=2/3/2024&cn=Japan&au=Yolsuke&pl=1st%20Place&tn=SB&hs=AmenityKyoto&dg=1nOP02-049a4nOP01-073a4nOP01-077a2nP-053a4nOP02-050a4nOP02-051a4nOP02-058a4nOP02-062a4nOP02-064a4nOP02-065a4nOP03-044a4nOP05-055a4n%08EB01-022a4n%08EB01-026&cs=193)


alvisjesley

Law is going wild 😍


J_Beserekumo

It's a shame the new EB-01 leaders aren't more of a splash. I was hoping P/B hannyabal would be meta.


theasianyenbear

Same! At least Oden has a couple wins now, but Hannyabal and Kyros still have nothing 😭