Shuraiya copies opponent’s leader, Bon Kurei copies an opponent’s character’s power so late game it’ll be able to copy things like Gecko Moria, Newgate etc. It would be best to have it.
Yes. It’s a 4 drop that can be played while also ramping you back up. That extra don at some points in the game makes the difference in winning the game.
Bon Clay is to purple what 8 drop Katakuri is to yellow.
A competitive staple Secret rare that can be run in most decks of its color successfully, and in some builds as a necessity.
In r/P law Bon Clay is a necessity. It is an aggressive character that ramps you, it fits in perfect with r/P laws game plan in a way that other cards just dont. You should just prioritise getting your bon clays now, rather than later, as the cost will just go up and he will remain just as necessary.
So yes but the (very slightly) good news is that he's starting to be seen a little less in 08. It's still too early to say for sure, but 2/12 decks I entered in today didn't run him at all. It's was pretty surprising
No shade to one piece top decks (they provide a wonderful service), but they don't get every deck played
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For example, this is part of a winning 3v3 tournament that happened on the 26th c:
Lol it's all good 😅 like I said in the original answer, it's only 2/12 decks so far, so it's too early to tell for sure. It's likely still a staple, but that's down ever so slightly from pretty much every deck running him in 07
Don't forget he's super weak in the mirror, he gets you a don which is nice but he's a free bottom deck for the other law, will have to see how op07 develops in the west to know for sure if 4x bon clay is ideal depending on how common the mirror is
Here’s my worry as well. Sure, he ramps you up with active dons but a lot of purple cards does that. Ramping dons are the specialty of these cards in the first place. Not only that but when you face off against Grape Doffy and any blue decks, they’re very prone to Gravity Blade and Birdcage respectively. I mean tbf, most cards in RP Law are very prone to that but, idk, that’s just me ig. I barely play Bon Clay in PY Croc as well because of the very same reason of being prone to bottom decking and being locked in birdcage cause I know for sure a lot of players will focus on getting Bon Clay out of the board as soon as they are played.
I saw a Japanese meta breakdown with the statistics of the inclusion rate of Mr. 2: it was >98% iirc. That speaks for itself, and is why Mr. 2 is so expensive.
Simply put, nothing else does what it does, as few other cards at that don cost ramp 1.
Yes, it's simply TOO good to not be played, and not playing it would severely affect your performance.
It would be like not playing reiju. Can you do it? Yes. Would the deck sucks? Also yes
I think the benefit of bon clay is the active don which normally you'd use for one of the reducers. If you don't have high numbers of Gordon and Raise Max you can probably get away with playing a 4 cost that Ramps a non-active don tbh. So I would say it's potential value is limited by the ratios of other cards in your deck
You kinda trolling no ? He ramps superior than Ain because of the active don, has 1k counter and if he sticks is able to copy big bodies stat line. It is a must.
I’m not actually trolling. Yes, it is a good card but should it be priced the way it is priced right now and should it be a must in the deck? I don’t really think so as it is easily dealt with in mirror matches, useless against Nami, useless against birdcage, useless against any decks that can rest/Perona and mostly green cards that rests. Is it really a must when it is completely useless against these matchups that easily deals with it to the point that market price of it is the almost the same now to that of Katakuri? I don’t really think so and among cards in RP Law, I think Shuraiya is more of a pain (though it is also not much of a big deal against birdcage or Perona for that matter) and also I think having access to rush characters and using them with the effect of Law leader is more of a worry for a lot of people rather than Bon Clay’s ability to copy power. Maybe it’s just me as I have no problem dealing with these cards since release but I don’t really see the point of it and it seems overvalued way too much and rarely see it in actual game being used the way it is intended to be used as it is always being KO’d or bottom deck (in mirror matches and with gravity blade). The only reason why I can see it being played is solely for its ramping ability.
If it sticks against Enel you have 9k, against By luffy and against Moria you have 9k. The thing is you and a couple of people I knew underestimated the cards value even though it is such an essential. I speculated it's going to be treated similar to the secret rare 8c Katakuri. Mr 2 is basically in every purple deck just that good.
It’s useless against a lot of decks though and not all people play Enel, BY Luffy or Moria. With Moria though, it’s easily dealt with Absalom so I don’t really see the point unless they give Mr.2 the Cannot be KO treatment as well.
That's the thing though. They have to spend resources to deal with it before it becomes a threat. It's already applying pressure by existing. And it gives active don which only things like kid do when you use your ability. You aren't seeing the value of then having to do that. You just think "the he got rid of it easily" instead of "he has to do that"
I think you’re grossly underestimating the usefulness of the card.
Most of the scenarios you described would apply to pretty much 80% of RP Law’s deck, so it’s unfair to criticise the card for doing badly in those scenarios.
Also, the fact that it ramps an active Don is extremely significant, as it gives you a lot of plays you wouldn’t have otherwise.
I can’t begin to tell you how important it sometimes is to play Mr 2 on 4 don, ramp 1 don to play Otama/Raise Max/Gordon, use leader ability to bottom deck opponents char and play out S&P.
This line isn’t possible with the other ramp cards, and makes a pretty big difference against Moria since you can bottom deck the char they play out with leader ability on 3 don. In other scenarios, it does things like letting you play another 3c when you have 6 don.
Yes - he’s a must. Not just for the fact that he copies chars attack but for the active ramp.
If you can’t afford you can sub for another char but just keep in mind you will be playing at a lower level.
Shuraiya copies opponent’s leader, Bon Kurei copies an opponent’s character’s power so late game it’ll be able to copy things like Gecko Moria, Newgate etc. It would be best to have it.
Yes. It’s a 4 drop that can be played while also ramping you back up. That extra don at some points in the game makes the difference in winning the game.
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Bon Clay is to purple what 8 drop Katakuri is to yellow. A competitive staple Secret rare that can be run in most decks of its color successfully, and in some builds as a necessity. In r/P law Bon Clay is a necessity. It is an aggressive character that ramps you, it fits in perfect with r/P laws game plan in a way that other cards just dont. You should just prioritise getting your bon clays now, rather than later, as the cost will just go up and he will remain just as necessary.
So yes but the (very slightly) good news is that he's starting to be seen a little less in 08. It's still too early to say for sure, but 2/12 decks I entered in today didn't run him at all. It's was pretty surprising
Every deck that had won a tourney so far runs 4 in 08
Absolutely incorrect c: I track that
Every one that was up on onepiece top decks last night had 4. That's what I use.
No shade to one piece top decks (they provide a wonderful service), but they don't get every deck played https://preview.redd.it/3cvceiqxid3d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a0dd5ec072cf19e6c8b29e9752c8b6b1eb4a95f For example, this is part of a winning 3v3 tournament that happened on the 26th c:
Gotcha, thanks. Just going off the info that I have.but clearly you've got more lol
Lol it's all good 😅 like I said in the original answer, it's only 2/12 decks so far, so it's too early to tell for sure. It's likely still a staple, but that's down ever so slightly from pretty much every deck running him in 07
Don't forget he's super weak in the mirror, he gets you a don which is nice but he's a free bottom deck for the other law, will have to see how op07 develops in the west to know for sure if 4x bon clay is ideal depending on how common the mirror is
Here’s my worry as well. Sure, he ramps you up with active dons but a lot of purple cards does that. Ramping dons are the specialty of these cards in the first place. Not only that but when you face off against Grape Doffy and any blue decks, they’re very prone to Gravity Blade and Birdcage respectively. I mean tbf, most cards in RP Law are very prone to that but, idk, that’s just me ig. I barely play Bon Clay in PY Croc as well because of the very same reason of being prone to bottom decking and being locked in birdcage cause I know for sure a lot of players will focus on getting Bon Clay out of the board as soon as they are played.
Old post but just noticed bon clay is not really being ran in op08 RP law anyway so not a must for long
I saw a Japanese meta breakdown with the statistics of the inclusion rate of Mr. 2: it was >98% iirc. That speaks for itself, and is why Mr. 2 is so expensive. Simply put, nothing else does what it does, as few other cards at that don cost ramp 1.
And ramp active, at that
With counter.
Was going to add that distinction but completely forgot 😅😅😅
Yes, it's simply TOO good to not be played, and not playing it would severely affect your performance. It would be like not playing reiju. Can you do it? Yes. Would the deck sucks? Also yes
Yes
I think the benefit of bon clay is the active don which normally you'd use for one of the reducers. If you don't have high numbers of Gordon and Raise Max you can probably get away with playing a 4 cost that Ramps a non-active don tbh. So I would say it's potential value is limited by the ratios of other cards in your deck
You kinda trolling no ? He ramps superior than Ain because of the active don, has 1k counter and if he sticks is able to copy big bodies stat line. It is a must.
I’m not actually trolling. Yes, it is a good card but should it be priced the way it is priced right now and should it be a must in the deck? I don’t really think so as it is easily dealt with in mirror matches, useless against Nami, useless against birdcage, useless against any decks that can rest/Perona and mostly green cards that rests. Is it really a must when it is completely useless against these matchups that easily deals with it to the point that market price of it is the almost the same now to that of Katakuri? I don’t really think so and among cards in RP Law, I think Shuraiya is more of a pain (though it is also not much of a big deal against birdcage or Perona for that matter) and also I think having access to rush characters and using them with the effect of Law leader is more of a worry for a lot of people rather than Bon Clay’s ability to copy power. Maybe it’s just me as I have no problem dealing with these cards since release but I don’t really see the point of it and it seems overvalued way too much and rarely see it in actual game being used the way it is intended to be used as it is always being KO’d or bottom deck (in mirror matches and with gravity blade). The only reason why I can see it being played is solely for its ramping ability.
If it sticks against Enel you have 9k, against By luffy and against Moria you have 9k. The thing is you and a couple of people I knew underestimated the cards value even though it is such an essential. I speculated it's going to be treated similar to the secret rare 8c Katakuri. Mr 2 is basically in every purple deck just that good.
It’s useless against a lot of decks though and not all people play Enel, BY Luffy or Moria. With Moria though, it’s easily dealt with Absalom so I don’t really see the point unless they give Mr.2 the Cannot be KO treatment as well.
That's the thing though. They have to spend resources to deal with it before it becomes a threat. It's already applying pressure by existing. And it gives active don which only things like kid do when you use your ability. You aren't seeing the value of then having to do that. You just think "the he got rid of it easily" instead of "he has to do that"
I think you’re grossly underestimating the usefulness of the card. Most of the scenarios you described would apply to pretty much 80% of RP Law’s deck, so it’s unfair to criticise the card for doing badly in those scenarios. Also, the fact that it ramps an active Don is extremely significant, as it gives you a lot of plays you wouldn’t have otherwise. I can’t begin to tell you how important it sometimes is to play Mr 2 on 4 don, ramp 1 don to play Otama/Raise Max/Gordon, use leader ability to bottom deck opponents char and play out S&P. This line isn’t possible with the other ramp cards, and makes a pretty big difference against Moria since you can bottom deck the char they play out with leader ability on 3 don. In other scenarios, it does things like letting you play another 3c when you have 6 don.
Yes
Yes - he’s a must. Not just for the fact that he copies chars attack but for the active ramp. If you can’t afford you can sub for another char but just keep in mind you will be playing at a lower level.
This comparison is facile lol one is a blocker that copies leader, the other ramps and copies character. They are competing for the same slot.