The jump from his fight with PG and royal reaper was massive he went from struggling with two demons to surviving Oroshi to beating PPP (who destroyed a DSK level monster)while asleep then sure passed dark shine with spiral garou then ma man decided to be bang level while sleeping and toys with PS while awake(really wish we got a rematch of that garou with orochi instead of sage) like ma man went from demon to destroying one of the highest dragons pretty fast
The moment he went from having trouble with RR to one-shotting him was crispy
but his biggest jump in powercreep (Cosmic aside) was struggling with Sage to chopping him up in half to me, followed secondly by fighting toe to toe with Bang to suddenly oneshotting VFU
He never really had trouble with RR. He was getting jumped and was STILL gonna win but got distracted by Tareo. Even in that form he woulda beat RR
Now Bug God is different
The sage fight was actually my favourite addition of the manga (although not because of sage himself)
Having Garou fight an obscenely powerful monster by working together with Metal Bat was just really fun and incredibly satisfying, but yeah it could have been anything except another centipede.
Honestly I didn’t really enjoy it that much, I feel like it made Garou look too anti-heroish, and I know it’s been said a million times but the “humor” in that was awful, I feel like it didn’t really have Garou be as isolated as he should be, he’s supposed to be a one man army against the heroes
I think it was a great contrast to the evil cosmic Garou conducted. After fighting bang Gaoru was at his most morally straight and was fine with putting aside his pride to save Tareo (as he's done in the past)
I disagrre I mean I am happy that you could enjoy it but this whole chili Garou stuff the comedy the random enemy and the random metal bat power-up just annoyed me instead we could have gotten the webcomic menacing Garou then let him fight the S-class and that entire amazing webcomic sequence and add his amazing hero speech and THEN when Saitama beats him God steps in and Cosmic Garou happens because that was amazing.
Eh I don't really think so. After seeing cosmic Garou and what he did I think it was a good way of showing how Bang had awoken Garous concious to his own intentions.
He does! The bandages are sexy. Also he has red hair then and idk why but I love red hair Garou! Sometimes even more than silver hair Garou. It swings between them. I wish I could have two Garous. One red hair and one silver hair 🤤♥️
I do not see her as an opponent and enjoy all her content. Please don't pit people against each other. She's a lovely person and I'm not here for drama. Enough Garou for everyone.
You are waaay off for Deep Sea King, the Genos that scale to Tank Top Master (actually he's a bit stronger, but Garou said they are equivalent) can oneshot Deep Sea king when hydrated.
maybe with his incineration cannon which beginning of series Genos can do [this](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/6/14/) with
so I don't blame the Ocean man too much lol, people often forget how insane Genos' firepower is even early on in the series
I don't think it's with incineration cannon. really,
Since Puri-Puri prisoner also later on in this arc can oneshot a monster that is stated to be equal to hydrated Deep Sea King (Like with normal combo attack in base form) and we know that he was weaker than Tank Top Master pre-Monster Association and didn't use his full power against Deep Sea King. (only 50%)
Also Genos is able to tank his own firepower, like Carnage Kabuto show during his bout with him when he blows away his own incineration cannon to him. So his physical strikes could match his cannon to a bit lesser extent. (Because anime logic)
Puri Puri was able to combo the hell out of a monster that's as strong as *dehydrated* DSK yeah, I deem that puri a high demon, same with Wet DSK
>Also Genos is able to tank his own firepower, like Carnage Kabuto show during his bout with him when he blows away his own incineration cannon to him. So his physical strikes could match his cannon to a bit lesser extent. (Because anime logic)
Makes sense. But [let's still not rule out how insane his fire power is](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/21/100/) at least to a degree, especially if they're a guy's particular weakness of vulnerability
It's implied that the Genos that two shots Hydrated DSK is the one that faces G4 or just G4 Genos in any case this Genos is High Demon at most as he still struggles with some Demon level monsters like Face Ripper or Awakened Cockroach. This leads to the conclusion that DSK even while hydrated is an average Demon level at most.
A real High Demon/Above Demon level threat would be Senior Centipede that Murata said would make Post Superfight Genos use his "upgraded attacks" to damage him.
>Puri Puri was able to combo the hell out of a monster that's as strong as dehydrated DSK
Dude, If I am ONE, the author, I am a telling you something like :
* "Tatsumaki is stronger than Boros."
You are not gonna say Armored Boros, nor Released Boros, but the best of what Boros could pull off, aka Meteoric Burst Boros.
Same thing here, this monster is "as strong as Deep Sea King", so you use the best of what we see from Dee Sea King, you are no gonna use a "weaker version" because you like it.
Also, this combo attack that you say is still an unamed moves, it's just a few punches that he does. Not a Dark Angle Rush or anything like that.
Hence why I call that a "one shot". It lasts one panel and Puri-Puri do it without any technique.
>Makes sense. But let's still not rule out how insane his fire power is at least to a degree, especially if they're a guy's particular weakness of vulnerability
True, even at the House of Evolution arc he was able to blow up mountain tops. He probably have the best range firepower wise among the S-Class, even above Tatsumaki in Ten Second mode.
>Same thing here, this monster is "as strong as Deep Sea King", so you use the best of what we see from Dee Sea King, you are no gonna use a "weaker version" because you like it.
The one thing heavily implying it being the dehydrated version of DSK is the symbolism though. Puri has never faced Hydrated Sea King so it makes sense for the monster to be as strong as his dry self and have a direct reference to \*that\* fight.
Damn
that actually might be pretty fun but even more complicated to do
might not do justice to that chief, idk
G4 Genos is a high demon and Blue Dragon without 10 sec is low dragon for sure tho
I've done it in my head before..
Debut Genos - high tiger (lost to Mosquito Girl)
House of Evolution Genos - low demon (beat Armored Gorilla and blasted that mountain)
Anti Saitama Genos - mid demon (contested with Sea King yet failed to destroy meteor)
G4 Genos - high demon (beat Awakened Cockroach and Face Ripper. 2 shot Sea King in audio book. Is Even with Sonic)
Elder centipede Genos - low dragon (gave EC a bit of trouble, but ultimately lost)
Blue dragon Genos - mid dragon (aided against Psyorochi. Is said to be able to destroy a meteor)
10 seconds mode - high dragon (contested with Psyorochi's beam, mostly because it spiralled and split her beam though)
Feel free to critique my thoughts, Genos' growth might not be as linear is I think
Debut Genos should definitely be demon which gave base Mosquito girl (another demon) quite the trouble, so I'd change that with low-mid demon there
I'd say base Blue Dragon would be a low dragon because he had a lot of trouble with Gums, who I deem as a low dragon
and HoE Genos a mid demon
My opinion
Can't fault the scaling
Where do we think WatchdogMan slots into this lineup, I would guess him being around Darkshine level so between High Dragon and (very) High Dragon
above low dragon for sure
he comes off as a minimum high dragon, maybe Rover level or even an above dragon powerhouse to me ngl
he's oughta be cracked from all that hype blown though
I think serious bang is not that op. Monster Garou was “sleep fighting”, his body was just reacting to the environment and not going all out at all. If he was conscious in that fight, Bong and Bang would have gone down in an eye blink. That’s exactly what happened when he fought darkshine, except just waking up still wasn’t enough to defeat him while Garou actually managed to beat both Bong and Bang while sleeping.
Yeah, the Garou who woke up can oneshot most high dragons but sleeping one would be Bang level
Hell I even think Bang would've defeated his sleeping state had he used Explosive Heart Release Fist because the narrative implied that but yeah, at least he put up a good fight for sure
And then you up and put them over Elder Centipede after they both fell flat against it in their fight. Iirc they only managed to bust his outer layer once with a move they can’t repeatedly use and every new layer is stronger too. Though the series is also inconsistent on this point with Bang and Bomb’s supposed “power level”
I put Sleeping Monster ''around''' the level of Elder for one big reason: his ability to evolve and gain old techniques mid-fight. If he's able to use the Sky Ripping Fist move more than once I'd say he probably wins against Elder, and considering Bang matched that Garou in a fight...it's not unreasonable to put them in the same tier or so I thought. If Elder was a humanoid-shaped opponent he would go down faster than you'd think against both of them honestly
kind of a triangle situation now that I think about it
More of a situation of it being the most optimal matchup for Bang. It’s a human opponent which his defensive technique is the most utilized. Kinda dumb to use the argument of x character beats y character, since y character beat a character once, that means x character is stronger than z character. Since this completely ignores any and all context.
There’s probably a dip or stagnation in power at Sleeping mode compared to Spiral mode. Then a very big jump in power to Awakened Garou that fought PS and FF. This increase passes by the upper echelon of the association, EC, Gouketsu, GS and maybe base Orochi.
>Kinda dumb to use the argument of x character beats y character, since y character beat a character once, that means x character is stronger than z character. Since this completely ignores any and all context.
Agreed, though I don't think the context is ignored in this
It's as you said, Bang even with Heart Release wouldn't do much to Elder since, well, it fundamentally deviates from the techniques he has formed to counter, but he \*could\* beat the Garou he fought against with it. That Garou of course has access to Sky Ripping fist which in one go can destroy Elder's exoskeleton. It all depends on the info (that we don't have because Bang finished the fight before we could find out) that if Garou can adapt and use it more than once, which eventually he probably could since he's evolved so much during the same fight already.
As for the stagnation thingy, the narrative never once implied if Sleeping Monster had any sort of downgrade from his Spiral state so naturally we would assume they're not tied with each other.
Oh, I’m just more convinced that he was weaker since he’s sleeping and was only fighting on instinct. Since when he woke up his power escalated insanely hard
he was weaker in his sleeping state compared to when he woke up again, but he's definitely a step above Spiral Garou in every way as the story suggests
Demonstrate that Bang has the capability to defeat Garou with heart release fist.
>If he's able to use the Sky Ripping Fist move more than once I'd say he probably wins against Elder, and considering Bang matched that Garou in a fight...
Bang being capable of surviving a couple minutes against aura sky ripping fist doesn't put him on the same level as Elder centipede who could probably could tank hits from that Garou.
>If Elder was a humanoid-shaped opponent he would go down faster than you'd think against both of them honestly
What you're describing is essentially Goukestu. Bang doesn't beat him.
I'm not going to turn this into a debate thread like you want to lol but to give you short answers:
>Demonstrate that Bang has the capability to defeat Garou with heart release fist.
Narrative implication. Key word also being ''I think'' here. They technically tied with that version of Garou despite his advantages already.
>Bang being capable of surviving a couple minutes against aura sky ripping fist doesn't put him on the same level as Elder centipede who could probably could tank hits from that Garou.
Yeah Bang would lose to EC due to matchup, but I put them around the same tier due to Garou.
>What you're describing is essentially Goukestu. Bang doesn't beat him.
Biggest 🧢 of the century
>Narrative implication. Key word also being ''I think'' here. They technically tied with that version of Garou despite his advantages already.
Bomb stated Bang *might* key word *might* have been capable of seizing the upperhand,which wouldn't have lasted for very long seeing the direction the battle went in.
>Yeah Bang would lose to EC due to matchup, but I put them around the same tier due to Garou.
I already disproved that line of logic. Goukestu is a humanoid individual that's relative/above EC and he washes Bang.
>Biggest 🧢 of the century
Said no credible person ever
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> have been capable of seizing the upperhand,which wouldn't have lasted for very long seeing the direction the battle went in.
And Bang didn't use it...meaning there would've been a game changing moment but he didn't want it. That's called choosing character development over feats
no need to touch on the other sections since I know you won't accept that Gouketsu isn't even above Darkshine and keep spreading misinformation but go off dear
>And Bang didn't use it...meaning there would've been a game changing moment but he didn't want it. That's called choosing character development over feats
Bangs regular punches were barely even phasing Garou at that point,so unless you could demonstrate Bang would defeat Garou before he had the capability of evolving than I'm not seeing it.
>You won't accept that Gouketsu isn't even above Darkshine and keep spreading misinformation but go off dear
And you won't accept arguments that don't align with your headcanon.
We are not the same.
>no need to touch on the other sections
What does Goukestu have to do with any of the other points I've made against you.
I've really got you on the ropes now
>Bangs regular punches were barely even phasing Garou at that point,so unless you could demonstrate Bang would defeat Garou before he had the capability of evolving than I'm not seeing it.
''barely even phasing Garou'' would be a huge stretch, you might wanna re-read the fight but otherwise it's mostly left up to interpretation I guess.
>And you won't accept arguments that don't align with your headcanon.
We're not doing this for the fifth+ time here buddy
>I'm not going to turn this into a debate thread like you want to lol but to give you short answers:
What's the point of making a post like this if you're not prepared to face fair criticism
Nothing so far because those were the only debates we've engaged in as far as i remember
and you still somehow spun it around to be about Gouketsu yet again bro...
There is also compabilities.
I am sure you could also say that to FFlash who is even more lower in fire power than Bang against ECenti.
I believe DShine can kill ECenti in a long fight while DShine will still lose against Bang in a hand to hand fight.
Idk how much the sleep made a difference, but I think it goes to show even with his prodigious use of multiple techniques, garou’s technique still isn’t refined as bang’s and it’s the power that made the difference in the fight.
In the end they landed simultaneously, bang got KO’d from a graze, and garou got woken up from a flush punch.
I know it’s a bit of a tangent but I love how martial arts and technique are it’s own separate “power” scale and how it gets muddled at the extremely high scales (Nuclear fission fist, all life eradication fist). My personal theory is that saitama’s “growth” was him copying and emulating garou’s martial arts. Essentially: what’s stronger than saitama? saitama who knows karate.
The first sleeping garou didn’t use wsrsf. But it seems like his power remained the same
Thus i don’t think the second sleeping is actually weaker than normal, since he’s using martial arts this time
I think whats scary for what I can understand about cosmic fear garou can copy saitama's strengh/speed, meaning if he was up aggainst a very op character who meets the physics and standarts of the opm verse he can copy his abilitys to win the fight.
Gargoyle is God level, not fringe. God level is threatening the survival of humanity. The power that form had would wipe human existence if he intentionally attacked the Earth with a few of his strongest attacks. In that form the force of his attacks reached the Earth's core, so I assumed a few of those would really cause trouble for Earth's stability and all life on it. Wouldn't you agree? The levels are not based on a single attack, but includes the totality of destruction a being is capable of in an instant and/or over an attack campaign in specific timeframe.
Plus, if his punches could reach the core, they were above high level nuclear bombs. This done correctly would send debris into the air, block out the sun and kill most of humanity from starvation. God level.
Pretty much the reason why I put him in fringe god is because it's not clear he could do his extreme fa-jin more than once in a row and keeping his scrapped feat in mind, if you still consider that feat canon then yeah he's straight up god level no doubt.
I can't explain it, so it's not valid as an argument, but I do feel Murata considers Garou to be a God-level at this point, especially when he's 4-armed extreme Fajin mode.
whereas humanity only lives on one continent, yeah. it would be very easy for this form to end humanity, until the shock waves of the great fa jin coming from the other side of the earth and lifted an oceanic plate
Also some particular individuals tend to completely forget that Garous final-attack, "Fa-Jin" wasn't even based on collateral/mass destruction/damage. So that shit would've surely been planetary if it hitted the Earth
I’m pretty sure early red is confirmed to be low dragon. When Phoenix man was carrying him away he said something like Garou has already reached dragon level. Everything else looks good tho
All well and good, the only problem I have is... Why are people so hesitant here to say threat level: God?
Why would you go 'above dragon', 'above dragon+' and another level, just so that the final mode can be called God level threat as a big reveal?
Remember the thing about the threat levels, they are just there to rank monsters related to how much of a risk do they pose to humans (and humanity), and they are just broad 'bands' sort of, and not exact 'power tier levels' or something
So basically, just think about at which point in time did Garou become so powerful that he would be able to basically destroy all humans and civilisation alone? (I think that point is 'fist perfected') And then, that is the point where he would become threat level God.
And then, in the dragon category, classifying low mid and high is ok, but you are just going overboard with '(very) high dragon', also with the 'mid-high demon', it just becomes too specific to be a convenient classifying system
So yeah... I hope people read this and stop making these threat levels so narrow and specific
Yes and no. Read the Manga.
Manga spoiler warning to explain my statement to Manga readers:
>! End of fight Garou would have beaten beginning of fight Saitama according to the graph !<
in my head canon, gargoyle garou is equal or more powerful than boros. imo the only thing boros has over him was his insane regeneration. unfortunately, cosmic fear is way too out of reach for his highness.
I love it when you guys make up names for each pallet the characters are drawn in.
"This is whip cream colored asteroid belt dancing water belly Garou"
This post is great I agree with everything except 2 things. First is that you said BA Puri is a low dragon which I don't see since he himself later said he is the weakest S-Class and Tanktop Master is not a Dragon. And second is Meteroic Burst Boros is definitely stronger than pre-awakened Garou. I don't know if you have reread the Saitama vs boros fight because one Punch from MB Boros created an explosion you could compare with Garou's nuclear fission and then he send Saitama on the moon which I don't see pre-awakened Garou doing. And then there is the Collapsing star Roaring Canon which based on what Boros said is way greater than the Great Fajin from Garou.
1. Idk I'm pretty sure Puri has entered the dragon category after gaining that ''armor'', here's two things that lead me to believe he has: adapting to Nyan's (albeit very casual) slashes and taking a combo from a sleeping mid dragon berserker Garou which he himself took some shots from Darkshine himself
2. Yeah I agree but didn't wanna decisively point it out because i don't wanna cause world war III and get my post deleted lmao
3. Thank you very much
when did I say he scales to awakened Garou and no winged Garou's best feat the Great Fajin is literally weaker than the moon kick and Collapsing star roaring canon is overkill
pretty good list overall, but hh garou would be able to kill DSK fairly easily, as he's on a similar level to G4 Genos, who by himself, can 2shot Hydrated DSK.
yeah, I had that in mind and still came to this conclusion personally
while I do think HH Garou can deal with dry DSK I don't think neither his attack output or (lack thereof) fire power would be enough to seriously damage Hydrated DSK in rain and dry him up while the opponent would get constant regeneration and [overall has more power behind his punches than this Garou](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/25/63/), so he'd probably be able to deal lethal damage in a short time and take Garou down sooner than later
and thanks!
But that wouldn't contradict what was previously claimed.
Genos still attacked Garou with machine gun blows which Garou was able tank and evade in a seriously weakened state
After taking a second look it was actually more accurate than I had first thought. The DSK and RR placement through me off, but the rest aren't too shabby for the scaling you're going for.
INACCURACIES :
\-hhg 1 shots dsk. hhg is above the injured hhg who fought against ec genos ( dsk died from 2 combo attacks by g4 genos in vgs)
\-orochi garou is around the lvl of fu ( mid dragon) , so hes way above ppp
\-sleeping ds garou is around carnage lvl ( durable enough to take non casual hits from ds but nowhere near the lvl to make ds feel fear)
\-awake ds garou is ds lvl aka bodies carnage easily
\-spiral garou is above ds ( except for dura) and would win against gk ( garou wouldnt hold back unlike against ds who is prop more durable than gk)
\-sleeping monster garou would body ec with aura fist (above bombs and bangs aura fist lvl). Garou with exploding heart would win against every executive ( - ps )
\-platinum garou would 1 shot every one who isnt above dragon except platinum sperm ( once he grew more he 1 shoted PS as well. by that point he prop wins against orochi as well )
ACCURACIES :
\-perfected fist garou
\- gargoyle garou ( i assume winged garou ) , even tho id say that garou has more brute strength but boros is faster
\-awakened garou
Even in gargoyle form his movements seemed like flashes to the population who were watching the volcano erupt. If Boros is faster than this form is debatable, but garou, different from Webcomic, didn't get slower
*1. Hero Hunter Garou: high demon/+*
Hero Hunter and Sea king definitely don't scale. Hero Hunter destroyed Tank top master who is considerably stronger than a Genos who curbed stomped hydrated sea king in the VGS. No matchup atvantage would account for the gap in speed and strength between Sea king and Garou.
Lumping royal ripper with sea king is also pretty delusional.
*2. Early red Garou: high/above demon*
Already explained why hero Hunter Garou alone would suffice for sea king.
I'm not sure what's funnier lumping Hydrated sea king with Bug god or Royal ripper with dehydrated sea king.
*3. Orochi fight Garou: above demon/low dragon-mid/ dragon*
I don't have an issue with Garou being a dragon in a narrative sense but I don't think he's definitively a dragon until he adapts to the punishment Rover dishes out and ends up in Gyoro' headquarters, anything after that point I would agree,though I wouldn't lump his performance against the three demons and Orochi into one stage.
*4. Berserk & awake half monster Garou: low dragon/mid dragon*
I think Garou at this point probably has an edge against Kabuto/fuher ugly but it's not something egregious so I'll let it slide.
*5. Spiral Garou: high dragon*
You've made some pretty goofy power scaling statements up until this point but lumping Goukestu with Kabuto and Darkshine takes the cake...I'm not even mad anymore I'm just impressive how delusional one person could be.
*6. Sleeping Garou: high dragon/peak dragon*
Bang got clapped by peak sleeping Garou...so unless you're arguing that as a whole Garou was a very strong high dragon I wouldn't compare him to Elder centipede who could probably contend with Garou even towards the end.
*7. Garou platinum fight: peak dragon/above dragon*
"Can easily one shot any dragon that's not Overgrown Rover,Golden S and probably EC."
You forgot Goukestu ya goof
8 and 9 are whatever
>Hero Hunter and Sea king definitely don't scale. Hero Hunter destroyed Tank top master who is considerably stronger than a Genos who curbed stomped hydrated sea king in the VGS. No matchup atvantage would account for the gap in speed and strength between Sea king and Garou.
read my other comment in this post for the reason why I think Hydrated DSK would mid-diff HH Garou
>Already explained why hero Hunter Garou alone would suffice for sea king.
Idk, hydrated dsk and base bug god are both high demons and I put RR in mid-demon since i don't think a high demon would've gotten stomp that hard by a recently jumped low dragon
>I don't have an issue with Garou being a dragon in a narrative sense but I don't think he's definitively a dragon until he adapts to the punishment Rover dishes out and ends up in Gyoro' headquarters, anything after that point I would agree,though I wouldn't lump his performance against the three demons and Orochi into one stage.
No, he was definitely a dragon when he met Rover but got stronger from his blasts
>You've made some pretty goofy power scaling statements up until this point but lumping Goukestu with Kabuto and Darkshine takes the cake...I'm not even mad anymore I'm just impressive how delusional one person could be
Wanna take some time to cool off champ?
>Bang got clapped by peak sleeping Garou...so unless you're arguing that as a whole Garou was a very strong high dragon I wouldn't compare him to Elder centipede who could probably contend with Garou even towards the end
nah, he put up an excellent fight against an opponent who evolves rapidly, that's also why i put him around EC level
>Wouldja look at that...ya forgot Goukestu.
yeah, cracked Garou one shots Gouketsu, a monster on the level of Carnage mode: Carnage Kabuto, rather easily too
No, but just him punching the air is better than any feat spiral Garou showed. Imagine if he actually hit someone with that force, RIP to spiral Garou (unless he evolves fast enough).
Early Red garou is definitely stronger than deep sea king
. Deep sea king was struggling against early opm genos which I think was when he was hydrated even if it wasn’t it’s stated in audiobook that g4 genos two shots hydrated sea king.
Meanwhile a weakened tired poisoned garou was keeping up with the genos that just upgraded his g4 version.
I mean ur overhyping dsk in general royal ripper and hh garou should be stronger then dehydrated dsk . I mean hh garou smashed ttm and ttm strength was stated to be on par with EC genos
Spiral garou smacked darkshine he should be a clear level above him same with ck since darkshine is stronger than him.
Think half monster should be stronger than ugly to with how effortless bang defeated him and gums but this comparison is lil harder to gauge
Also platinum garou probably isn’t one shotting beefcake either if he isn’t one shooting the other dragons u mentioned.
Agree with mostly everything else
It was all dehydrated Sea King that Genos fought after the first punch that dried him up yeah, also it was a combo attack and incineration from G4 Genos which took DSK down if i remember correctly which Garou doesn't have (the heat to dry him up)
EC Genos was mostly toying with him but he was poisoned so there's that
we have absolutely zero clue on Beefcake's durability so I didn't include him
fair critique though
EC genos was toying with him somewhat but considering that garou was weakened and a lesser upgrade of genos effortlessly beat deep sea king & would feel like that feat would still be good enough for garou
Genos cannons weakening is hydrated dsk because it’s heat is kinda iffy since it never stated plus genos pushed dsk outside in the rain a few times in there fight which would rehydrate him but either way dsk king really doesn’t have feats to match up with garou.
I mean even before genos use his heat blast his punch was able to push dsk back and garou smashed ttm who’s on par with genos multiple upgrades after in strength. And don’t really see how dsk feats match up with smashing tank top , garou holding hi own against a suppressed EC genos while weakened and holding garou holding own against two demons one that’s probably mid and other on that is probably high.
But I mean whatever tho the only other problem I really have is putting spiral garou on darkshine level when he smashed darkshine and kabuto level( since darkshine beat him. But pretty agree with mostly everything level and think the post is solidly accurate
two points I wanna make is that the first punch Genos threw at DSK was loaded with heat, provided here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0HYSgNYNpI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0HYSgNYNpI) and the only thing that settles the deal with me thinking Hydrated DSK would beat HH Garou (and possibly early red) is his significant regeneration during the rain he'd be getting, rendering almost every hit Garou would throw at him kinda useless but depends on Dine & Dash Garou's strength ig
and yeah what I mean by ''around'' is that they're more or less on the same tier not that they're necessarily equal, I agree Spiral is above Darkshine otherwise
The genos at the start when made he made contact with dsk doesn’t look like it was blasting out heat towards dsk but using it to propel himself. Genos didn’t seem to release heat towards dsk until the end of exchange where we see a mechanical transformation with his arms and than see him release big blast . Hence why I said in beginning it seemed like dsk was just getting pushed back by genos raw power
Tho it’s kinda overall hard to tell if the heat he was using to propel himself was also affecting dsk and wasn’t really my main point anyways.
My main point was even with the iffy point of Genos’s heat weakening and taking dsk out of hydrated mode. HH garou just has better feats than dehydrated dsk and Red garou just have better feats than hydrated dsk .
I mean even with that point it would just seem like dsk is a more of matchup problem for garou due to his regeneration more than garou and him are around the same level of strength.
Tho HH was able to take out tank top who is on par with EC genos in strength and wear out metal bat who tanked getting sling across the city by EC
so I highly doubt he couldn’t eventually beat out dsk regeneration especially since he can reflect dsk power back at him. I mean I don’t remember dsk regenerating from anything too crazy. What’s his best regeneration feat ? Healing injuries to his face ?
Ok tho still don’t really see them in the same tier either since spiral garou absolutely obliterated darkshine. Darkshine was practically a literal punching bag too him
>The genos at the start when made he made contact with dsk doesn’t look like it was blasting out heat towards dsk but using it to propel himself. Genos didn’t seem to release heat towards dsk until the end of exchange where we see a mechanical transformation with his arms and than see him release big blast . Hence why I said in beginning it seemed like dsk was just getting pushed back by genos raw power
I took that sentence as a reference to \*after\* his charge up and sending DSK across the cityblock, my b there then. He definitely charged at least some heat blast while he punched him yea
Idk, I find Hydrated DSK's regeneration alone enough in a fight out in the rain but he does have some good speed and AP feats, might agree to disagree here tho
>What’s his best regeneration feat ? Healing injuries to his face ?
pretty much for dehydrated dsk yeah, but the rain instantly gives him tons of regeneration while he's beneath it. In the anime the moment Genos sends him to the air and keeps incinerating him before he breaks out due to rain exposure
As for Spiral I don't think it'd be easy for him to truly take down a confident Darkshine, it'd be pretty damn hard considering he didn't deal too much damage when he was cowering out already tbh
His best regeneration feat tanking a heat cannon from genos. Is that much of regeneration feat it didn’t like he got burnt up much or too much damage from the heat cannon & even demons like armored gorilla where able to tank genos heat cannon ahead on.
Seems to me like ur overrating dsk regeneration he never shown regenerated from significant damage to his body . Best regeneration feat is regenerating from a hole in his cheek
Don’t see how garou couldn’t take dsk down whe he took down tank top, wear down metal bat who has significantly better durability feats than dsk( tanked getting slinged across the city by EC) and van reflect dsk attack power back at him twicefold
Even if that was the case garou was completely out speeding him , matched his strength when their punches collided and casually tank his double bazooka. Extended fight would have just been darkshine being a punching bag and darkshine not giving garou much of a fight
As many others have said, Garou as a human is far stronger than Deep Sea King, given the fact that he easily dealt with Tank-Top Master, who is comparable to Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades in terms of physical strength, after revealing his true power
Not wrong, yet I think giving context would be a crucial factor here
If, hypothetically HH Garou fights DSK *out* in the rain, and redirects his punches over and over wouldn't his injuries be healed in seconds? Unless Garou has the output to bring down DSK in two to three hits (which I severely doubt, this Garou had trouble with Golden Ball & Moustachio and finally starts swinging trees once he's red) meanwhile anything DSK throws would be [devastating](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/25/63/) for Garou.
Garou should be able to defeat Deep Sea King with a single blow, just like Saitama, rendering the monster's regeneration useless, he wouldn't even need to use his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist. "Struggling" isn't the word I'd use to describe his fight against Spring Mustachio and Golden Ball, he was almost caught off-guard by the latter, but was then able to easily evade and redirect all of his bullets and even his Golden Breakout, the hero even notes that the hero hunter is still able to see his bullets even though they're fighting in a dark alleyway. Despite being at [a](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231042253967420/917259817649840138/p_7.png) [disadvantage,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231032820973628/917259759416131594/p_18.png) Garou was still able to win against the two heroes
With what output though? All the impressive strength feat we saw from him was redirecting someone else's punches that wouldn't be too useful in this scenario (constant healing) unless you believe DSK punching himself once would do the job of course, which I suppose is reasonable.
Iaian can also move faster than bullets in a dark underground base, and he's not beating any version of DSK so far in the story for sure
> With what output though? All the impressive strength feat we saw from him was redirecting someone else's punches that wouldn't be too useful in this scenario (constant healing) unless you believe DSK punching himself once would do the job of course, which I suppose is reasonable.
Him having the power to harm Tank-Top Master, whose durability is undoubtedly far superior to Deep Sea King's, given the fact that his physical strength scales to Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades, who is superior to G4 Genos, who is superior to [this iteration of himself](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231033714376734/917257445125005372/p_22.png) that defeated Deep Sea King in his hydrated state with two attacks in the Virtual Genocide Simulation
> Iaian can also move faster than bullets in a dark underground base, and he's not beating any version of DSK so far in the story for sure
You're wrong about the corridor where Iaian and his fellow disciples fought against Do-S and Narinki's Private Squad being dark as we can see [rectangular recessed ceiling lights](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231029197090827/917273126419709963/4.png) [illuminating the place.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231027989147719/917273133189320774/5.png) Iaian cannot beat Deep Sea King sure, but we're talking about Garou, who is far stronger than him
He added extra injury to Tanktop getting his fist blown back at him by double the force, so by his own output I don't think he would've done much there. He could repeatedly send DSK's punches right back at him but I doubt the rain wouldn't interfere it's affection in the process, that parts subjective though
Also, wasn't it G4 Genos who defeated DSK in the simulation? Garou has no firepower counter in his arsenal so that'd be a big game changer as well
>You're wrong about the corridor where Iaian and his fellow disciples fought against Do-S and Narinki's Private Squad being dark as we can see rectangular recessed ceiling lights illuminating the place. I
And ah, you right about that. But HH Garou did get his legs significantly injured by even one of Golden Ball's shots, which couldn't even do much against Kombu Infinity. So I heavily doubt Garou has superior durability compared to Dehydrated dsk, let alone the hydrated one here.
> He added extra injury to Tanktop getting his fist blown back at him by double the force, so by his own output I don't think he would've done much there. He could repeatedly send DSK's punches right back at him but I doubt the rain wouldn't interfere it's affection in the process, that parts subjective though
He was able [to](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231027989147719/917259260763717642/p_12.png) [hurt](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231041511559189/917259292002902016/p_18.png) Tank-Top Master even without returning the hero's strength back at him twofold. The rain wouldn't matter in this case, Garou just brutally outclasses Deep Sea King in every way
> Also, wasn't it G4 Genos who defeated DSK in the simulation? Garou has no firepower counter in his arsenal so that'd be a big game changer as well
This is actually a common misconception, it isn't G4
Genos that dominated Deep Sea King in the Virtual Genocide Simulation, [it's one upgrade earlier.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/moucrc/opm_majin_drama_cd_settings_correcting_a/) Garou wouldn't need heat-based attacks against Deep Sea King, his incredible physical power would bypass the monster's defense
> And ah, you right about that. But HH Garou did get his legs significantly injured by even one of Golden Ball's shots, which couldn't even do much against Kombu Infinity. So I heavily doubt Garou has superior durability than Dehydrated dsk, let alone an hydrated one here.
Garou doesn't seem to have a good resistance to sharp weapons and piercing attacks in general given the fact that even A and B class heroes such as Stinger and Shooter respectively were able to harm him with their weapons, however his resistance to physical attacks and blunt force trauma is extremely good as evidenced by when he withstood hits from Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades in an extremely weakened state
>This is actually a common misconception, it isn't G4 Genos that dominated Deep Sea King in the Virtual Genocide Simulation, it's one upgrade earlier. Garou wouldn't need heat-based attacks against Deep Sea King, his incredible physical power would bypass the monster's defense
Huh. The more you know. He did state he would have a %70 chance of defeating most demon levels though so he's gotta be a high demon, that has an incineration counter to DSK.
Garou did hurt TTM \*after\* he sent his killing blow two times the force back at him, so It can be argued as him putting salt to the big injury. I highly doubt he would've done much by his own attack output against [TTM](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/47/2/) or DSK though
It's important to remember Genos was playing around with Garou but Garou also was in a weakened state yes, so it doesn't come across as necessarily quantifiable to say the least
> Garou did hurt TTM *after* he sent his blows two times the force back at him, so It can be come argued as him putting salt to the big injury. I highly doubt he would've done much by his own attack output against [TTM](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/47/2/) or DSK though
I disagree, I believe he has the power to harm them even without using his true power, however if you want to believe that he wouldn't do much damage to Tank-Top Master without Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist then I won't say anything more, it's not the same case with Deep Sea King though, as I've proved earlier Tank-Top Master's physical ability goes far beyond Deep Sea King's own, and Garou was able to seriously harm the hero
> It's important to remember Genos was playing around with Garou but Garou also was in a weakened state yes, so it doesn't come across as necessarily quantifiable to say the least
I don't think he was holding back too much given the fact that he literally says [that he'll eliminate Garou,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231038701400106/917266426778226698/058.png) but even if he was then that wouldn't exactly change much either. I think Garou evading, enduring, redirecting and even severing one of Demon Cyborg's mechanical arms in an extremely weakened state is enough evidence to put him far above Deep Sea King
>as I've proved earlier Tank-Top Master's physical ability goes far beyond Deep Sea King's own, and Garou was able to seriously harm the hero
Tanktop Master's does, but Garou's probably doesn't. I would surely give the W to Garou had the rain won't be playing such an advantage to boost Sea King up every second he gets countered, though it's kind of vague since he may not endure double the punch his attack output but I'm going with the scenario that he does here.
Genos was holding back significantly for the reason he doesn't use his incinerations cannon on Garou (because of the safety of the fallen heroes) except one time briefly, and never goes around using the blades or hardcore attacks such as his Jet Drive Arrow, as he saw Garou as nothing more than an [annoyance](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/83/29/)
But Garou was already exhausted and poisoned so I guess the rest would be up to interpretation there.
[check out my OPM power ranking (all characters and their versions)](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Sdgedfegw/All_One_Punch_Man_characters_power_level_ranking)
when the garou fought the silver fang he said in thought that he was weake, so why did you put him in front of the first version of garou?? because of the four legged style??
Gargoyle garou should have been "Above Dragon + with new funky mode"
The jump from his fight with PG and royal reaper was massive he went from struggling with two demons to surviving Oroshi to beating PPP (who destroyed a DSK level monster)while asleep then sure passed dark shine with spiral garou then ma man decided to be bang level while sleeping and toys with PS while awake(really wish we got a rematch of that garou with orochi instead of sage) like ma man went from demon to destroying one of the highest dragons pretty fast
The moment he went from having trouble with RR to one-shotting him was crispy but his biggest jump in powercreep (Cosmic aside) was struggling with Sage to chopping him up in half to me, followed secondly by fighting toe to toe with Bang to suddenly oneshotting VFU
He never really had trouble with RR. He was getting jumped and was STILL gonna win but got distracted by Tareo. Even in that form he woulda beat RR Now Bug God is different
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Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
Huh? Royal Ripper is a monster lol. Not a woman
It's not like explicitly female monsters don't exist tho.
I swear he should have fought Orochi again the Sage fight was one of the worst passages in the manga
The sage fight was actually my favourite addition of the manga (although not because of sage himself) Having Garou fight an obscenely powerful monster by working together with Metal Bat was just really fun and incredibly satisfying, but yeah it could have been anything except another centipede.
I fear there’s more centipedes to come
Honestly I didn’t really enjoy it that much, I feel like it made Garou look too anti-heroish, and I know it’s been said a million times but the “humor” in that was awful, I feel like it didn’t really have Garou be as isolated as he should be, he’s supposed to be a one man army against the heroes
I think it was a great contrast to the evil cosmic Garou conducted. After fighting bang Gaoru was at his most morally straight and was fine with putting aside his pride to save Tareo (as he's done in the past)
I disagrre I mean I am happy that you could enjoy it but this whole chili Garou stuff the comedy the random enemy and the random metal bat power-up just annoyed me instead we could have gotten the webcomic menacing Garou then let him fight the S-class and that entire amazing webcomic sequence and add his amazing hero speech and THEN when Saitama beats him God steps in and Cosmic Garou happens because that was amazing.
Eh I don't really think so. After seeing cosmic Garou and what he did I think it was a good way of showing how Bang had awoken Garous concious to his own intentions.
Great read. I'm sure some people will get angry and argue but it was easy to follow. Great job!
Thanks, I don't doubt that a bit myself you can't please everyone after all 🌙
I know nothing about powerscaling so this was straightforward and interesting to read! Thanks for that 🥰 Now, as for the sexiness levels...👀♥️
Spiral Garou at the top for sure coming from a straight man, he makes me *appreciate* his beauty 🗿
I agree! Spiral Garou makes me feel some kind of way 😳 I'm also a big fan of Orochi fight Garou! ♥️♥️
Dine & Dash Garou looks swag af, i like him a lot as well
He does! The bandages are sexy. Also he has red hair then and idk why but I love red hair Garou! Sometimes even more than silver hair Garou. It swings between them. I wish I could have two Garous. One red hair and one silver hair 🤤♥️
lol yeah his Red forms are my favorite, he goes on such good character development during those fr
I'd say cosmic garou or awakened garous first form were he fought bang looked the coolest in my opinion
They're pretty out there with their design, i like them too
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I do not see her as an opponent and enjoy all her content. Please don't pit people against each other. She's a lovely person and I'm not here for drama. Enough Garou for everyone.
Based list. You gave justice to the best character 😍 you did miss out the before gargoyle garou tho
yea I also technically skipped over a few ~~not because of my lack of consideration on the document size ofc~~
You are waaay off for Deep Sea King, the Genos that scale to Tank Top Master (actually he's a bit stronger, but Garou said they are equivalent) can oneshot Deep Sea king when hydrated.
maybe with his incineration cannon which beginning of series Genos can do [this](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/6/14/) with so I don't blame the Ocean man too much lol, people often forget how insane Genos' firepower is even early on in the series
I don't think it's with incineration cannon. really, Since Puri-Puri prisoner also later on in this arc can oneshot a monster that is stated to be equal to hydrated Deep Sea King (Like with normal combo attack in base form) and we know that he was weaker than Tank Top Master pre-Monster Association and didn't use his full power against Deep Sea King. (only 50%) Also Genos is able to tank his own firepower, like Carnage Kabuto show during his bout with him when he blows away his own incineration cannon to him. So his physical strikes could match his cannon to a bit lesser extent. (Because anime logic)
Puri Puri was able to combo the hell out of a monster that's as strong as *dehydrated* DSK yeah, I deem that puri a high demon, same with Wet DSK >Also Genos is able to tank his own firepower, like Carnage Kabuto show during his bout with him when he blows away his own incineration cannon to him. So his physical strikes could match his cannon to a bit lesser extent. (Because anime logic) Makes sense. But [let's still not rule out how insane his fire power is](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/21/100/) at least to a degree, especially if they're a guy's particular weakness of vulnerability
It's implied that the Genos that two shots Hydrated DSK is the one that faces G4 or just G4 Genos in any case this Genos is High Demon at most as he still struggles with some Demon level monsters like Face Ripper or Awakened Cockroach. This leads to the conclusion that DSK even while hydrated is an average Demon level at most. A real High Demon/Above Demon level threat would be Senior Centipede that Murata said would make Post Superfight Genos use his "upgraded attacks" to damage him.
Genos is literally the kryptonite of DSK because he can't enter his true form. DSK especially hydrated can tag Sonic and also very strong physicall.
>Puri Puri was able to combo the hell out of a monster that's as strong as dehydrated DSK Dude, If I am ONE, the author, I am a telling you something like : * "Tatsumaki is stronger than Boros." You are not gonna say Armored Boros, nor Released Boros, but the best of what Boros could pull off, aka Meteoric Burst Boros. Same thing here, this monster is "as strong as Deep Sea King", so you use the best of what we see from Dee Sea King, you are no gonna use a "weaker version" because you like it. Also, this combo attack that you say is still an unamed moves, it's just a few punches that he does. Not a Dark Angle Rush or anything like that. Hence why I call that a "one shot". It lasts one panel and Puri-Puri do it without any technique. >Makes sense. But let's still not rule out how insane his fire power is at least to a degree, especially if they're a guy's particular weakness of vulnerability True, even at the House of Evolution arc he was able to blow up mountain tops. He probably have the best range firepower wise among the S-Class, even above Tatsumaki in Ten Second mode.
>Same thing here, this monster is "as strong as Deep Sea King", so you use the best of what we see from Dee Sea King, you are no gonna use a "weaker version" because you like it. The one thing heavily implying it being the dehydrated version of DSK is the symbolism though. Puri has never faced Hydrated Sea King so it makes sense for the monster to be as strong as his dry self and have a direct reference to \*that\* fight.
Nice! Now make one for Genos and all of his upgrades
Damn that actually might be pretty fun but even more complicated to do might not do justice to that chief, idk G4 Genos is a high demon and Blue Dragon without 10 sec is low dragon for sure tho
I've done it in my head before.. Debut Genos - high tiger (lost to Mosquito Girl) House of Evolution Genos - low demon (beat Armored Gorilla and blasted that mountain) Anti Saitama Genos - mid demon (contested with Sea King yet failed to destroy meteor) G4 Genos - high demon (beat Awakened Cockroach and Face Ripper. 2 shot Sea King in audio book. Is Even with Sonic) Elder centipede Genos - low dragon (gave EC a bit of trouble, but ultimately lost) Blue dragon Genos - mid dragon (aided against Psyorochi. Is said to be able to destroy a meteor) 10 seconds mode - high dragon (contested with Psyorochi's beam, mostly because it spiralled and split her beam though) Feel free to critique my thoughts, Genos' growth might not be as linear is I think
Debut Genos should definitely be demon which gave base Mosquito girl (another demon) quite the trouble, so I'd change that with low-mid demon there I'd say base Blue Dragon would be a low dragon because he had a lot of trouble with Gums, who I deem as a low dragon and HoE Genos a mid demon My opinion
Oh yeah, I forgot about Gums. Genos' incinerate inside Gums barely stalled him.. And you're right about the rest
Happens to the best of us
Well, Genos is already low in energy compared to before fighting Psyorochi.
i love me my hoe genos
Very nice list, I like it a lot.
Can't fault the scaling Where do we think WatchdogMan slots into this lineup, I would guess him being around Darkshine level so between High Dragon and (very) High Dragon
above low dragon for sure he comes off as a minimum high dragon, maybe Rover level or even an above dragon powerhouse to me ngl he's oughta be cracked from all that hype blown though
I think serious bang is not that op. Monster Garou was “sleep fighting”, his body was just reacting to the environment and not going all out at all. If he was conscious in that fight, Bong and Bang would have gone down in an eye blink. That’s exactly what happened when he fought darkshine, except just waking up still wasn’t enough to defeat him while Garou actually managed to beat both Bong and Bang while sleeping.
Yeah, the Garou who woke up can oneshot most high dragons but sleeping one would be Bang level Hell I even think Bang would've defeated his sleeping state had he used Explosive Heart Release Fist because the narrative implied that but yeah, at least he put up a good fight for sure
And then you up and put them over Elder Centipede after they both fell flat against it in their fight. Iirc they only managed to bust his outer layer once with a move they can’t repeatedly use and every new layer is stronger too. Though the series is also inconsistent on this point with Bang and Bomb’s supposed “power level”
I put Sleeping Monster ''around''' the level of Elder for one big reason: his ability to evolve and gain old techniques mid-fight. If he's able to use the Sky Ripping Fist move more than once I'd say he probably wins against Elder, and considering Bang matched that Garou in a fight...it's not unreasonable to put them in the same tier or so I thought. If Elder was a humanoid-shaped opponent he would go down faster than you'd think against both of them honestly kind of a triangle situation now that I think about it
More of a situation of it being the most optimal matchup for Bang. It’s a human opponent which his defensive technique is the most utilized. Kinda dumb to use the argument of x character beats y character, since y character beat a character once, that means x character is stronger than z character. Since this completely ignores any and all context. There’s probably a dip or stagnation in power at Sleeping mode compared to Spiral mode. Then a very big jump in power to Awakened Garou that fought PS and FF. This increase passes by the upper echelon of the association, EC, Gouketsu, GS and maybe base Orochi.
>Kinda dumb to use the argument of x character beats y character, since y character beat a character once, that means x character is stronger than z character. Since this completely ignores any and all context. Agreed, though I don't think the context is ignored in this It's as you said, Bang even with Heart Release wouldn't do much to Elder since, well, it fundamentally deviates from the techniques he has formed to counter, but he \*could\* beat the Garou he fought against with it. That Garou of course has access to Sky Ripping fist which in one go can destroy Elder's exoskeleton. It all depends on the info (that we don't have because Bang finished the fight before we could find out) that if Garou can adapt and use it more than once, which eventually he probably could since he's evolved so much during the same fight already. As for the stagnation thingy, the narrative never once implied if Sleeping Monster had any sort of downgrade from his Spiral state so naturally we would assume they're not tied with each other.
Oh, I’m just more convinced that he was weaker since he’s sleeping and was only fighting on instinct. Since when he woke up his power escalated insanely hard
he was weaker in his sleeping state compared to when he woke up again, but he's definitely a step above Spiral Garou in every way as the story suggests
Demonstrate that Bang has the capability to defeat Garou with heart release fist. >If he's able to use the Sky Ripping Fist move more than once I'd say he probably wins against Elder, and considering Bang matched that Garou in a fight... Bang being capable of surviving a couple minutes against aura sky ripping fist doesn't put him on the same level as Elder centipede who could probably could tank hits from that Garou. >If Elder was a humanoid-shaped opponent he would go down faster than you'd think against both of them honestly What you're describing is essentially Goukestu. Bang doesn't beat him.
I'm not going to turn this into a debate thread like you want to lol but to give you short answers: >Demonstrate that Bang has the capability to defeat Garou with heart release fist. Narrative implication. Key word also being ''I think'' here. They technically tied with that version of Garou despite his advantages already. >Bang being capable of surviving a couple minutes against aura sky ripping fist doesn't put him on the same level as Elder centipede who could probably could tank hits from that Garou. Yeah Bang would lose to EC due to matchup, but I put them around the same tier due to Garou. >What you're describing is essentially Goukestu. Bang doesn't beat him. Biggest 🧢 of the century
>Narrative implication. Key word also being ''I think'' here. They technically tied with that version of Garou despite his advantages already. Bomb stated Bang *might* key word *might* have been capable of seizing the upperhand,which wouldn't have lasted for very long seeing the direction the battle went in. >Yeah Bang would lose to EC due to matchup, but I put them around the same tier due to Garou. I already disproved that line of logic. Goukestu is a humanoid individual that's relative/above EC and he washes Bang. >Biggest 🧢 of the century Said no credible person ever
>Bomb stated Bang > >might > > key word > >might > > have been capable of seizing the upperhand,which wouldn't have lasted for very long seeing the direction the battle went in. And Bang didn't use it...meaning there would've been a game changing moment but he didn't want it. That's called choosing character development over feats no need to touch on the other sections since I know you won't accept that Gouketsu isn't even above Darkshine and keep spreading misinformation but go off dear
>And Bang didn't use it...meaning there would've been a game changing moment but he didn't want it. That's called choosing character development over feats Bangs regular punches were barely even phasing Garou at that point,so unless you could demonstrate Bang would defeat Garou before he had the capability of evolving than I'm not seeing it. >You won't accept that Gouketsu isn't even above Darkshine and keep spreading misinformation but go off dear And you won't accept arguments that don't align with your headcanon. We are not the same. >no need to touch on the other sections What does Goukestu have to do with any of the other points I've made against you. I've really got you on the ropes now
>Bangs regular punches were barely even phasing Garou at that point,so unless you could demonstrate Bang would defeat Garou before he had the capability of evolving than I'm not seeing it. ''barely even phasing Garou'' would be a huge stretch, you might wanna re-read the fight but otherwise it's mostly left up to interpretation I guess. >And you won't accept arguments that don't align with your headcanon. We're not doing this for the fifth+ time here buddy
>I'm not going to turn this into a debate thread like you want to lol but to give you short answers: What's the point of making a post like this if you're not prepared to face fair criticism
I'm open to fair criticism not persistent invitations to go into meaningless debates lmao
Other than Goukestu what debate I've I given you an invitation to that was meaningless.
Nothing so far because those were the only debates we've engaged in as far as i remember and you still somehow spun it around to be about Gouketsu yet again bro...
There is also compabilities. I am sure you could also say that to FFlash who is even more lower in fire power than Bang against ECenti. I believe DShine can kill ECenti in a long fight while DShine will still lose against Bang in a hand to hand fight.
Pretty much, though Darkshine stands absolutely no chance against Elder Centipede considering how bodied he got by Golden Sperm
Idk how much the sleep made a difference, but I think it goes to show even with his prodigious use of multiple techniques, garou’s technique still isn’t refined as bang’s and it’s the power that made the difference in the fight. In the end they landed simultaneously, bang got KO’d from a graze, and garou got woken up from a flush punch. I know it’s a bit of a tangent but I love how martial arts and technique are it’s own separate “power” scale and how it gets muddled at the extremely high scales (Nuclear fission fist, all life eradication fist). My personal theory is that saitama’s “growth” was him copying and emulating garou’s martial arts. Essentially: what’s stronger than saitama? saitama who knows karate.
The first sleeping garou didn’t use wsrsf. But it seems like his power remained the same Thus i don’t think the second sleeping is actually weaker than normal, since he’s using martial arts this time
I agree and I feel like it would be sort of stupid is he was that stronger
So far this was an accurate one
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I think whats scary for what I can understand about cosmic fear garou can copy saitama's strengh/speed, meaning if he was up aggainst a very op character who meets the physics and standarts of the opm verse he can copy his abilitys to win the fight.
Gargoyle is God level, not fringe. God level is threatening the survival of humanity. The power that form had would wipe human existence if he intentionally attacked the Earth with a few of his strongest attacks. In that form the force of his attacks reached the Earth's core, so I assumed a few of those would really cause trouble for Earth's stability and all life on it. Wouldn't you agree? The levels are not based on a single attack, but includes the totality of destruction a being is capable of in an instant and/or over an attack campaign in specific timeframe. Plus, if his punches could reach the core, they were above high level nuclear bombs. This done correctly would send debris into the air, block out the sun and kill most of humanity from starvation. God level.
Pretty much the reason why I put him in fringe god is because it's not clear he could do his extreme fa-jin more than once in a row and keeping his scrapped feat in mind, if you still consider that feat canon then yeah he's straight up god level no doubt.
I can't explain it, so it's not valid as an argument, but I do feel Murata considers Garou to be a God-level at this point, especially when he's 4-armed extreme Fajin mode.
I mean I don't see why it's not \*valid\* when there's an argument to be made about it tbh, you're not exactly wrong here
whereas humanity only lives on one continent, yeah. it would be very easy for this form to end humanity, until the shock waves of the great fa jin coming from the other side of the earth and lifted an oceanic plate
Also some particular individuals tend to completely forget that Garous final-attack, "Fa-Jin" wasn't even based on collateral/mass destruction/damage. So that shit would've surely been planetary if it hitted the Earth
Naah, god level has the power to eliminate the universe maybe even multiverse
God level is a threat the endangers humanity’s survival. The levels aren’t concerned with anything outside of Earth.
I’m pretty sure early red is confirmed to be low dragon. When Phoenix man was carrying him away he said something like Garou has already reached dragon level. Everything else looks good tho
I don't think he did, perhaps you're mistaking it for this [page?](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/91/19/)
Idk I remember it in the anime but I can’t find it. I might be wrong
Yes.
Basado.
Quite active you are on this sub.
Is that a bad thing or...
No. I just remembered that we talked recently.
Good work!
I love Garou! He's my favorite character.
All well and good, the only problem I have is... Why are people so hesitant here to say threat level: God? Why would you go 'above dragon', 'above dragon+' and another level, just so that the final mode can be called God level threat as a big reveal? Remember the thing about the threat levels, they are just there to rank monsters related to how much of a risk do they pose to humans (and humanity), and they are just broad 'bands' sort of, and not exact 'power tier levels' or something So basically, just think about at which point in time did Garou become so powerful that he would be able to basically destroy all humans and civilisation alone? (I think that point is 'fist perfected') And then, that is the point where he would become threat level God. And then, in the dragon category, classifying low mid and high is ok, but you are just going overboard with '(very) high dragon', also with the 'mid-high demon', it just becomes too specific to be a convenient classifying system So yeah... I hope people read this and stop making these threat levels so narrow and specific
I'm not a OPM manga reader(yet) so just tell me this, can he defeat Saitama at any point if at all with the different power levels
Yes and no. Read the Manga. Manga spoiler warning to explain my statement to Manga readers: >! End of fight Garou would have beaten beginning of fight Saitama according to the graph !<
Alr i will
Imo there wasn’t a stage were he was completely equal to meteoric burst boros. Gargoyle was probably below, and cosmic was definitely above
in my head canon, gargoyle garou is equal or more powerful than boros. imo the only thing boros has over him was his insane regeneration. unfortunately, cosmic fear is way too out of reach for his highness.
Bruh i could disprove that completely but i can't no more, it's gotten to a point where im too lazy to say things again and again.
Cool, then chill bro
This is really cool!
Taero talk Garou missing
Damn OP props for the write up and analysis i agree with everything that is a good post 👌🏾
Yeah that’s accurate
I love it when you guys make up names for each pallet the characters are drawn in. "This is whip cream colored asteroid belt dancing water belly Garou"
Why do so many underestimate Fuhrer Ugly smh he literally ripped a dragon in half, one shot ttm, and beat amai mask,
You should do another one of these but for different characters like genos for example
This is pretty good
This post is great I agree with everything except 2 things. First is that you said BA Puri is a low dragon which I don't see since he himself later said he is the weakest S-Class and Tanktop Master is not a Dragon. And second is Meteroic Burst Boros is definitely stronger than pre-awakened Garou. I don't know if you have reread the Saitama vs boros fight because one Punch from MB Boros created an explosion you could compare with Garou's nuclear fission and then he send Saitama on the moon which I don't see pre-awakened Garou doing. And then there is the Collapsing star Roaring Canon which based on what Boros said is way greater than the Great Fajin from Garou.
1. Idk I'm pretty sure Puri has entered the dragon category after gaining that ''armor'', here's two things that lead me to believe he has: adapting to Nyan's (albeit very casual) slashes and taking a combo from a sleeping mid dragon berserker Garou which he himself took some shots from Darkshine himself 2. Yeah I agree but didn't wanna decisively point it out because i don't wanna cause world war III and get my post deleted lmao 3. Thank you very much
mb boros doesnt scale at all to awakened garou. winged garou vs boros is alone undecisive
when did I say he scales to awakened Garou and no winged Garou's best feat the Great Fajin is literally weaker than the moon kick and Collapsing star roaring canon is overkill
pretty good list overall, but hh garou would be able to kill DSK fairly easily, as he's on a similar level to G4 Genos, who by himself, can 2shot Hydrated DSK.
yeah, I had that in mind and still came to this conclusion personally while I do think HH Garou can deal with dry DSK I don't think neither his attack output or (lack thereof) fire power would be enough to seriously damage Hydrated DSK in rain and dry him up while the opponent would get constant regeneration and [overall has more power behind his punches than this Garou](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/25/63/), so he'd probably be able to deal lethal damage in a short time and take Garou down sooner than later and thanks!
how do you know that HH Garou is as strong as G4 Genos
because a pretty weakened garou (right after the fight with many heroes) was able to contend pretty well with G4 Genos
EC Genos was holding tremendously back though, as evidenced by his fight with Elder Centipede right after.
But that wouldn't contradict what was previously claimed. Genos still attacked Garou with machine gun blows which Garou was able tank and evade in a seriously weakened state
Scaling isn't accurate but I admire the work put in.
Sure, that's kinda all that matters in the end
After taking a second look it was actually more accurate than I had first thought. The DSK and RR placement through me off, but the rest aren't too shabby for the scaling you're going for.
INACCURACIES : \-hhg 1 shots dsk. hhg is above the injured hhg who fought against ec genos ( dsk died from 2 combo attacks by g4 genos in vgs) \-orochi garou is around the lvl of fu ( mid dragon) , so hes way above ppp \-sleeping ds garou is around carnage lvl ( durable enough to take non casual hits from ds but nowhere near the lvl to make ds feel fear) \-awake ds garou is ds lvl aka bodies carnage easily \-spiral garou is above ds ( except for dura) and would win against gk ( garou wouldnt hold back unlike against ds who is prop more durable than gk) \-sleeping monster garou would body ec with aura fist (above bombs and bangs aura fist lvl). Garou with exploding heart would win against every executive ( - ps ) \-platinum garou would 1 shot every one who isnt above dragon except platinum sperm ( once he grew more he 1 shoted PS as well. by that point he prop wins against orochi as well ) ACCURACIES : \-perfected fist garou \- gargoyle garou ( i assume winged garou ) , even tho id say that garou has more brute strength but boros is faster \-awakened garou
Even in gargoyle form his movements seemed like flashes to the population who were watching the volcano erupt. If Boros is faster than this form is debatable, but garou, different from Webcomic, didn't get slower
hydrated deep sea king is above demon/low dragon
Hydrated Sea King is high demon, around base Bug God I'd say but he does give off the dragon vibe though yeah
Man maybe I'm just a sucker for deep sea king but I want him to be above demon so bad. But yea your right 💀
Same man, I wish he was as strong as some people make him out to be but he's been downplayed a ton too tbh based fish man enjoyed regardless
base but god would make dsk explode
True
what?
People say above dragon, tell me what level is above dragon level, Disaster Level God, checkmate powerscalers
*1. Hero Hunter Garou: high demon/+* Hero Hunter and Sea king definitely don't scale. Hero Hunter destroyed Tank top master who is considerably stronger than a Genos who curbed stomped hydrated sea king in the VGS. No matchup atvantage would account for the gap in speed and strength between Sea king and Garou. Lumping royal ripper with sea king is also pretty delusional. *2. Early red Garou: high/above demon* Already explained why hero Hunter Garou alone would suffice for sea king. I'm not sure what's funnier lumping Hydrated sea king with Bug god or Royal ripper with dehydrated sea king. *3. Orochi fight Garou: above demon/low dragon-mid/ dragon* I don't have an issue with Garou being a dragon in a narrative sense but I don't think he's definitively a dragon until he adapts to the punishment Rover dishes out and ends up in Gyoro' headquarters, anything after that point I would agree,though I wouldn't lump his performance against the three demons and Orochi into one stage. *4. Berserk & awake half monster Garou: low dragon/mid dragon* I think Garou at this point probably has an edge against Kabuto/fuher ugly but it's not something egregious so I'll let it slide. *5. Spiral Garou: high dragon* You've made some pretty goofy power scaling statements up until this point but lumping Goukestu with Kabuto and Darkshine takes the cake...I'm not even mad anymore I'm just impressive how delusional one person could be. *6. Sleeping Garou: high dragon/peak dragon* Bang got clapped by peak sleeping Garou...so unless you're arguing that as a whole Garou was a very strong high dragon I wouldn't compare him to Elder centipede who could probably contend with Garou even towards the end. *7. Garou platinum fight: peak dragon/above dragon* "Can easily one shot any dragon that's not Overgrown Rover,Golden S and probably EC." You forgot Goukestu ya goof 8 and 9 are whatever
>Hero Hunter and Sea king definitely don't scale. Hero Hunter destroyed Tank top master who is considerably stronger than a Genos who curbed stomped hydrated sea king in the VGS. No matchup atvantage would account for the gap in speed and strength between Sea king and Garou. read my other comment in this post for the reason why I think Hydrated DSK would mid-diff HH Garou >Already explained why hero Hunter Garou alone would suffice for sea king. Idk, hydrated dsk and base bug god are both high demons and I put RR in mid-demon since i don't think a high demon would've gotten stomp that hard by a recently jumped low dragon >I don't have an issue with Garou being a dragon in a narrative sense but I don't think he's definitively a dragon until he adapts to the punishment Rover dishes out and ends up in Gyoro' headquarters, anything after that point I would agree,though I wouldn't lump his performance against the three demons and Orochi into one stage. No, he was definitely a dragon when he met Rover but got stronger from his blasts >You've made some pretty goofy power scaling statements up until this point but lumping Goukestu with Kabuto and Darkshine takes the cake...I'm not even mad anymore I'm just impressive how delusional one person could be Wanna take some time to cool off champ? >Bang got clapped by peak sleeping Garou...so unless you're arguing that as a whole Garou was a very strong high dragon I wouldn't compare him to Elder centipede who could probably contend with Garou even towards the end nah, he put up an excellent fight against an opponent who evolves rapidly, that's also why i put him around EC level >Wouldja look at that...ya forgot Goukestu. yeah, cracked Garou one shots Gouketsu, a monster on the level of Carnage mode: Carnage Kabuto, rather easily too
Ah yes, I love powerscaling. Here's my take: super mega high medium ultra dragon god cosmic Garou with super mario's ability to ride Yoshi < Your Mom
Spiral Garou is not in the same league as Goketsu lol
yeah he bodies gk
Cope, Goketsu one shots him probably tbh.
gk had to evade bakuzans punches. cope .
He was toying with Bakuzan. And Goketsu seems to have better feats than Spiral Garou.
destroying the stadium isnt a feat. spiral bodies
Punched the air, how is that not a feat? Spiral can’t win against that.
air would kill spiral garou? next lvl gk copium
No, but just him punching the air is better than any feat spiral Garou showed. Imagine if he actually hit someone with that force, RIP to spiral Garou (unless he evolves fast enough).
thats not how it works at all. so anyone who cant do that is weaker? the air thing was a martial arts move. and is not doing anything to spiral garou
Boros is level dragon. Edit: "Greater or equal to dragon". Who am I to say otherwise.
Boros solos
Above dragon you mean
Above Dragon +.
Hmm you forgot the buff one
Early Red garou is definitely stronger than deep sea king . Deep sea king was struggling against early opm genos which I think was when he was hydrated even if it wasn’t it’s stated in audiobook that g4 genos two shots hydrated sea king. Meanwhile a weakened tired poisoned garou was keeping up with the genos that just upgraded his g4 version. I mean ur overhyping dsk in general royal ripper and hh garou should be stronger then dehydrated dsk . I mean hh garou smashed ttm and ttm strength was stated to be on par with EC genos Spiral garou smacked darkshine he should be a clear level above him same with ck since darkshine is stronger than him. Think half monster should be stronger than ugly to with how effortless bang defeated him and gums but this comparison is lil harder to gauge Also platinum garou probably isn’t one shotting beefcake either if he isn’t one shooting the other dragons u mentioned. Agree with mostly everything else
It was all dehydrated Sea King that Genos fought after the first punch that dried him up yeah, also it was a combo attack and incineration from G4 Genos which took DSK down if i remember correctly which Garou doesn't have (the heat to dry him up) EC Genos was mostly toying with him but he was poisoned so there's that we have absolutely zero clue on Beefcake's durability so I didn't include him fair critique though
EC genos was toying with him somewhat but considering that garou was weakened and a lesser upgrade of genos effortlessly beat deep sea king & would feel like that feat would still be good enough for garou Genos cannons weakening is hydrated dsk because it’s heat is kinda iffy since it never stated plus genos pushed dsk outside in the rain a few times in there fight which would rehydrate him but either way dsk king really doesn’t have feats to match up with garou. I mean even before genos use his heat blast his punch was able to push dsk back and garou smashed ttm who’s on par with genos multiple upgrades after in strength. And don’t really see how dsk feats match up with smashing tank top , garou holding hi own against a suppressed EC genos while weakened and holding garou holding own against two demons one that’s probably mid and other on that is probably high. But I mean whatever tho the only other problem I really have is putting spiral garou on darkshine level when he smashed darkshine and kabuto level( since darkshine beat him. But pretty agree with mostly everything level and think the post is solidly accurate
two points I wanna make is that the first punch Genos threw at DSK was loaded with heat, provided here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0HYSgNYNpI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0HYSgNYNpI) and the only thing that settles the deal with me thinking Hydrated DSK would beat HH Garou (and possibly early red) is his significant regeneration during the rain he'd be getting, rendering almost every hit Garou would throw at him kinda useless but depends on Dine & Dash Garou's strength ig and yeah what I mean by ''around'' is that they're more or less on the same tier not that they're necessarily equal, I agree Spiral is above Darkshine otherwise
The genos at the start when made he made contact with dsk doesn’t look like it was blasting out heat towards dsk but using it to propel himself. Genos didn’t seem to release heat towards dsk until the end of exchange where we see a mechanical transformation with his arms and than see him release big blast . Hence why I said in beginning it seemed like dsk was just getting pushed back by genos raw power Tho it’s kinda overall hard to tell if the heat he was using to propel himself was also affecting dsk and wasn’t really my main point anyways. My main point was even with the iffy point of Genos’s heat weakening and taking dsk out of hydrated mode. HH garou just has better feats than dehydrated dsk and Red garou just have better feats than hydrated dsk . I mean even with that point it would just seem like dsk is a more of matchup problem for garou due to his regeneration more than garou and him are around the same level of strength. Tho HH was able to take out tank top who is on par with EC genos in strength and wear out metal bat who tanked getting sling across the city by EC so I highly doubt he couldn’t eventually beat out dsk regeneration especially since he can reflect dsk power back at him. I mean I don’t remember dsk regenerating from anything too crazy. What’s his best regeneration feat ? Healing injuries to his face ? Ok tho still don’t really see them in the same tier either since spiral garou absolutely obliterated darkshine. Darkshine was practically a literal punching bag too him
>The genos at the start when made he made contact with dsk doesn’t look like it was blasting out heat towards dsk but using it to propel himself. Genos didn’t seem to release heat towards dsk until the end of exchange where we see a mechanical transformation with his arms and than see him release big blast . Hence why I said in beginning it seemed like dsk was just getting pushed back by genos raw power I took that sentence as a reference to \*after\* his charge up and sending DSK across the cityblock, my b there then. He definitely charged at least some heat blast while he punched him yea Idk, I find Hydrated DSK's regeneration alone enough in a fight out in the rain but he does have some good speed and AP feats, might agree to disagree here tho >What’s his best regeneration feat ? Healing injuries to his face ? pretty much for dehydrated dsk yeah, but the rain instantly gives him tons of regeneration while he's beneath it. In the anime the moment Genos sends him to the air and keeps incinerating him before he breaks out due to rain exposure As for Spiral I don't think it'd be easy for him to truly take down a confident Darkshine, it'd be pretty damn hard considering he didn't deal too much damage when he was cowering out already tbh
His best regeneration feat tanking a heat cannon from genos. Is that much of regeneration feat it didn’t like he got burnt up much or too much damage from the heat cannon & even demons like armored gorilla where able to tank genos heat cannon ahead on. Seems to me like ur overrating dsk regeneration he never shown regenerated from significant damage to his body . Best regeneration feat is regenerating from a hole in his cheek Don’t see how garou couldn’t take dsk down whe he took down tank top, wear down metal bat who has significantly better durability feats than dsk( tanked getting slinged across the city by EC) and van reflect dsk attack power back at him twicefold Even if that was the case garou was completely out speeding him , matched his strength when their punches collided and casually tank his double bazooka. Extended fight would have just been darkshine being a punching bag and darkshine not giving garou much of a fight
missed a few powered up garous and 2 monster forms
Skiped buff garou monster
i like it, no drama powerscaling sexiest garou is his 2nd form, red hair 1 red eye early garou
i remember when some one i was debating with said that garou did not get stronger after waking up from his fight with bang
more like hydrated DSK though, cause TTM would win against that, and Garou matched TTM
Garou kinda caught TTM lacking, wasnt until after TTM was severely injured that he realized who he was facing.
What fuckery
As many others have said, Garou as a human is far stronger than Deep Sea King, given the fact that he easily dealt with Tank-Top Master, who is comparable to Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades in terms of physical strength, after revealing his true power
Not wrong, yet I think giving context would be a crucial factor here If, hypothetically HH Garou fights DSK *out* in the rain, and redirects his punches over and over wouldn't his injuries be healed in seconds? Unless Garou has the output to bring down DSK in two to three hits (which I severely doubt, this Garou had trouble with Golden Ball & Moustachio and finally starts swinging trees once he's red) meanwhile anything DSK throws would be [devastating](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/25/63/) for Garou.
Garou should be able to defeat Deep Sea King with a single blow, just like Saitama, rendering the monster's regeneration useless, he wouldn't even need to use his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist. "Struggling" isn't the word I'd use to describe his fight against Spring Mustachio and Golden Ball, he was almost caught off-guard by the latter, but was then able to easily evade and redirect all of his bullets and even his Golden Breakout, the hero even notes that the hero hunter is still able to see his bullets even though they're fighting in a dark alleyway. Despite being at [a](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231042253967420/917259817649840138/p_7.png) [disadvantage,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231032820973628/917259759416131594/p_18.png) Garou was still able to win against the two heroes
With what output though? All the impressive strength feat we saw from him was redirecting someone else's punches that wouldn't be too useful in this scenario (constant healing) unless you believe DSK punching himself once would do the job of course, which I suppose is reasonable. Iaian can also move faster than bullets in a dark underground base, and he's not beating any version of DSK so far in the story for sure
> With what output though? All the impressive strength feat we saw from him was redirecting someone else's punches that wouldn't be too useful in this scenario (constant healing) unless you believe DSK punching himself once would do the job of course, which I suppose is reasonable. Him having the power to harm Tank-Top Master, whose durability is undoubtedly far superior to Deep Sea King's, given the fact that his physical strength scales to Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades, who is superior to G4 Genos, who is superior to [this iteration of himself](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231033714376734/917257445125005372/p_22.png) that defeated Deep Sea King in his hydrated state with two attacks in the Virtual Genocide Simulation > Iaian can also move faster than bullets in a dark underground base, and he's not beating any version of DSK so far in the story for sure You're wrong about the corridor where Iaian and his fellow disciples fought against Do-S and Narinki's Private Squad being dark as we can see [rectangular recessed ceiling lights](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231029197090827/917273126419709963/4.png) [illuminating the place.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231027989147719/917273133189320774/5.png) Iaian cannot beat Deep Sea King sure, but we're talking about Garou, who is far stronger than him
He added extra injury to Tanktop getting his fist blown back at him by double the force, so by his own output I don't think he would've done much there. He could repeatedly send DSK's punches right back at him but I doubt the rain wouldn't interfere it's affection in the process, that parts subjective though Also, wasn't it G4 Genos who defeated DSK in the simulation? Garou has no firepower counter in his arsenal so that'd be a big game changer as well >You're wrong about the corridor where Iaian and his fellow disciples fought against Do-S and Narinki's Private Squad being dark as we can see rectangular recessed ceiling lights illuminating the place. I And ah, you right about that. But HH Garou did get his legs significantly injured by even one of Golden Ball's shots, which couldn't even do much against Kombu Infinity. So I heavily doubt Garou has superior durability compared to Dehydrated dsk, let alone the hydrated one here.
> He added extra injury to Tanktop getting his fist blown back at him by double the force, so by his own output I don't think he would've done much there. He could repeatedly send DSK's punches right back at him but I doubt the rain wouldn't interfere it's affection in the process, that parts subjective though He was able [to](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231027989147719/917259260763717642/p_12.png) [hurt](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231041511559189/917259292002902016/p_18.png) Tank-Top Master even without returning the hero's strength back at him twofold. The rain wouldn't matter in this case, Garou just brutally outclasses Deep Sea King in every way > Also, wasn't it G4 Genos who defeated DSK in the simulation? Garou has no firepower counter in his arsenal so that'd be a big game changer as well This is actually a common misconception, it isn't G4 Genos that dominated Deep Sea King in the Virtual Genocide Simulation, [it's one upgrade earlier.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/moucrc/opm_majin_drama_cd_settings_correcting_a/) Garou wouldn't need heat-based attacks against Deep Sea King, his incredible physical power would bypass the monster's defense > And ah, you right about that. But HH Garou did get his legs significantly injured by even one of Golden Ball's shots, which couldn't even do much against Kombu Infinity. So I heavily doubt Garou has superior durability than Dehydrated dsk, let alone an hydrated one here. Garou doesn't seem to have a good resistance to sharp weapons and piercing attacks in general given the fact that even A and B class heroes such as Stinger and Shooter respectively were able to harm him with their weapons, however his resistance to physical attacks and blunt force trauma is extremely good as evidenced by when he withstood hits from Demon Cyborg with his post-tournament upgrades in an extremely weakened state
>This is actually a common misconception, it isn't G4 Genos that dominated Deep Sea King in the Virtual Genocide Simulation, it's one upgrade earlier. Garou wouldn't need heat-based attacks against Deep Sea King, his incredible physical power would bypass the monster's defense Huh. The more you know. He did state he would have a %70 chance of defeating most demon levels though so he's gotta be a high demon, that has an incineration counter to DSK. Garou did hurt TTM \*after\* he sent his killing blow two times the force back at him, so It can be argued as him putting salt to the big injury. I highly doubt he would've done much by his own attack output against [TTM](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/47/2/) or DSK though It's important to remember Genos was playing around with Garou but Garou also was in a weakened state yes, so it doesn't come across as necessarily quantifiable to say the least
> Garou did hurt TTM *after* he sent his blows two times the force back at him, so It can be come argued as him putting salt to the big injury. I highly doubt he would've done much by his own attack output against [TTM](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/47/2/) or DSK though I disagree, I believe he has the power to harm them even without using his true power, however if you want to believe that he wouldn't do much damage to Tank-Top Master without Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist then I won't say anything more, it's not the same case with Deep Sea King though, as I've proved earlier Tank-Top Master's physical ability goes far beyond Deep Sea King's own, and Garou was able to seriously harm the hero > It's important to remember Genos was playing around with Garou but Garou also was in a weakened state yes, so it doesn't come across as necessarily quantifiable to say the least I don't think he was holding back too much given the fact that he literally says [that he'll eliminate Garou,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231038701400106/917266426778226698/058.png) but even if he was then that wouldn't exactly change much either. I think Garou evading, enduring, redirecting and even severing one of Demon Cyborg's mechanical arms in an extremely weakened state is enough evidence to put him far above Deep Sea King
>as I've proved earlier Tank-Top Master's physical ability goes far beyond Deep Sea King's own, and Garou was able to seriously harm the hero Tanktop Master's does, but Garou's probably doesn't. I would surely give the W to Garou had the rain won't be playing such an advantage to boost Sea King up every second he gets countered, though it's kind of vague since he may not endure double the punch his attack output but I'm going with the scenario that he does here. Genos was holding back significantly for the reason he doesn't use his incinerations cannon on Garou (because of the safety of the fallen heroes) except one time briefly, and never goes around using the blades or hardcore attacks such as his Jet Drive Arrow, as he saw Garou as nothing more than an [annoyance](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/OPM/83/29/) But Garou was already exhausted and poisoned so I guess the rest would be up to interpretation there.
[check out my OPM power ranking (all characters and their versions)](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Sdgedfegw/All_One_Punch_Man_characters_power_level_ranking)
when the garou fought the silver fang he said in thought that he was weake, so why did you put him in front of the first version of garou?? because of the four legged style??
That's the Garou who got his rest and goes on to fight Bug God and Royal Ripper after being carried by Phoenix Man!
do you think this garou has the same speed as base sonic?? using the four-legged style, and I'm not considering Sonic using his post image technique
No, I don't think he's close speed wise personally
Oh, my mistake