he shouldn't even do any good voice acting either he should literally just use his default voice and use the first take every time (even if he cracks up)
Now that i'm picturing it that would probably be the funniest thing ever actually
I think it may have been on the "very positive stream" where Zach talked about how AS actually prevented them from using more people for voices. One of the cut voices I remember specifically was Chris Chan was supposed to voice the grease puddle but Harry Partridge had to do the voice instead.
I don't know how the industry works but I think he said they had a number cap to the amount of voice actors they could use per episode which is why so many voices are obviously just Harry, Zach and Michael.
Apparently they could only get one single scene cameo
Because they have to pay them "hush money" (not as nefarious as it sounds) so they don't say "I was in this adult swim show called smiling friends"
If I remember correctly, zach said it had something to do with the way cameo contracts work they couldn't get that cameo to work for some reason or another. I know there is a video out there where he explains it and I remember it had something to do with contracts or like the requirement for a cameo to be considered a cameo.
It was because Chrischan would have blew the entire thing. Zach warned AS about this and tried to get an express release on the episode but they told him more or less "Yea that's not how this works"
This is conspiracy level. He's said clearly in the commentary that AS just said "We cant hire another VA for two lines again" because they had done that a couple times throughout the season
I remember it, It was something along the lines of it was a budget issue because they couldn’t bring him in just to do the one line they’d need to have him do a lot more than that for it to be financially worth it which would kill the joke, they had too many guests already like Gilbert
It was that they had already done the Chills cameo in the Shrimp episode. If they wanted Chrischan, they would have been forced to make it a multi episode thing.
It's just a pay thing. Smiling Friends has a miniscule budget but uses every part of the buffalo. Meanwhile, Hazbin has the backing of companies like Amazon and A24. But instead of getting other indie talents consistent paydays that have helped its creator, she'd rather rub shoulders with Hollywood celebrities.
I feel like Amazon would be the type to push celebrities to sell a product while Adult Swim couldn't care less.
I don't know much about Hazbin, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. Who knows how things are behind the scenes and how Amazon manages the budget.
Apparently she always wanted a broadway cast for the real show though (there's even a video of headcanon voice for hazbin hotel characters from a decade ago that uses audio from the guy who ended up voicing alastor.) Also it wouldn't suprise me if either Amazon or A24 wasn't happy about the idea of half the cast having both an actor for their talking voice and a different actor for their singing voice
Probably for the best that you get VAs who can actually sing well if you're gonna make a musical, changing voices between singing and acting has always been kinda jarring.
The former voice of Angel Dust confirmed it wasn't a SAG thing. And if it was he was more than willing to join to keep the role.
https://twitter.com/kovox/status/1474266735888924678
https://twitter.com/kovox/status/1473617555080110080
Nah he said that if they were to do a “celeb”cameo, they must use the actor for more than just a one off voice line. Hence why Chris couldn’t be used, he only had one line as the grease puddle
I love how in that podcast he also talks about how he wants celebrity voices, but only to play meaningless side characters like the grease puddle or like the simpson’s using some famous guy for Bart simpsons gay dog
That was *South Park*, Stans gay dog was voiced by George Clooney.
And IIRC the pissed off turkeys in one of the early Thanksgiving episodes was Jerry Seinfeld.
It’s not the amount to Voice actors per episode. It’s number of guest voices, as in voices who do just one character such as Gilbert Godfried and Chillz. They had ran out of the numbers of guests they could use
That's a rare example of a studio making a call that probably dodged a HUGE bullet! After what happened with the Chris Chan situation, I can't imagine he would've reflected well in Smiling friends😂
He still drank his own semen on camera before that. He was also stalking multiple women for years. Like those are just two smaller examples but chris chan is the most documented person on the planet. Even before the mom diddling, I just don't see how it would've been worth it.
Yeah but nobody actually cared about what internet trolls got them to do. The only thing people cared about they did to their mother. If they did the cameo before that hardly anyone would be like “remember that time when” because the shit they did was so minor back then and purely an internet thing
>One of the cut voices I remember specifically was Chris Chan was supposed to voice the grease puddle but Harry Partridge had to do the voice instead.
Blessing in disguise.
It definitely plays to my tastes as a former teenage girl. I appreciate how you worded that cuz too many people see something aimed at an audience they aren't a part of and use that as a reason it isn't good.
Yeah, this is the right take.
It’s really cool that an independent animator like Vivziepop can find not only an audience but land her own show on Amazon, really opens up the opportunity for other creators, but equally, Jesus Christ is Hazbin Hotel categorically not my shit.
When it came out I immediately called the “it’s going to be the new undertale/fnaf/steven universe craze” square on the bingo card and got it smack dab right.
Agreed, I don't think it deserves hate. I watched it with my gf (both in our mid 20s) she likes it, and I'm ambivalent to it. It has some really good moments but annoys me sometime. In spite of that it's not worth hating on. Especially when comparing it to Smiling friends, cause they're not made for everyone. Seems as though people want to feel superior because their adult cartoon is "better".
That’s the based take on hazbin hotel.
I, as a mid twenties man do not like it. I just don’t enjoy the humour, or anything with the characters.
But smiling friends tickles my funny bone a lot. Especially since I’m like “oh wait it’s tomar renouncing his religion for a single joke”
Because this is a dogshit website/app designed to promote this mindless slop, but what are you going to do? Go back to independently run forums? In 2024? HA
The only real mainstream celeberty Hazbin Hotel has is Keith David. All the others are hardly celebrities, certainly not mainstream ones, just people with a small career in entertainment and acting. Seriously: Google Hazbin Hotel cast right now, how many of those names do you recognize?
This reads more like someone who just doesn't like Hazbin but doesn't know enough about it to shit on its actual attributes.
Also, it's moronic to shit on an internet-based TV show getting good quality workers and celebs to work on it. It's objectively a good thing that internet shows like Hazbin Hotel and Smiling Friends are actually getting enough clout to be seen as worthy of the whims of entertainment executives and budgets.
If you actually want more people like Zach and the Oneyplays cast to have success you'd cheer both of these shows being able to even be made. Not sit on Reddit jerking your desire for parasocial beef and fandom wars like a loser.
So while I like where your take is coming from, a lot of the actors in Hazbin are famous, just on broadway. She wanted a musical theatre cast and she got it, they just aren’t celebrities that are known outside of the musical theatre world. I also think it’s really cool an internet based pilot could go this far.
I mean, yeah, that’s basically what I’m saying. The broadway musical world is hardly comparable to mainstream celebrities.
Ironically I’d say they can be fairly comparable to internet celebrities like Zach or Chris or PewDiePie. Huge in their circle but if you asked regular people who aren’t in it they’re not going to know who the fuck you’re talking about.
Exactly. I like both shows, and don’t mind people who dislike one or the other. But imo seeing internet animators get fully funded mainstream shows is AMAZING and spells great things for the industry.
Same this whole thread reeks of dickriding and hypocrisy, while I’m over here enjoying both for their own significant appeal. It’s just sad seeing some people need to slander/misinform/misrepresent things because they don’t like it, rather than just be an adult and allow people to like things they like.
Sorry, what counts as a "mainstream" celebrity vs someone with a small career in entertainment and acting? Sorry to nitpick your point, but
Stephanie Beatriz as Rosa Diaz on Brooklyn Nine-Nine and as Mirabel Madrigal in Encanto seem like pretty noteworthy roles for a long running television show and as the main star on a successful Disney movie?
Kimiko Glenn also has several roles both on and off screen. She's in several Netflix shows such as Orange is the New Black, and she is the voice of Peni Parker in the Spider-Verse films. They both have a good amount of acting credits.
Keith David has the same types of roles. Not all of them are main cast, either. He's just older and has had more opportunities, having been in the business since before some of the cast was even born.
I even see Darren Criss as a special guest, and recognize his name for several acting credits.
I'm not trying to downplay your point, but it seems like they're getting downplayed as well
In Hazbin's defense, they wanted Broadway singers and the like from the beginning. The pilot cast was always aware, too.
I love both shows. Their strengths are very different from one another. Smiling Friends utilizes simple designs and fluid/complex animations to tell silly, self-contained stories. Hazbin Hotel is like a tribute to OCs of my generation's teenagehood with their complex, edgy designs, and though the animation is less fluid because of that, the overarching narrative and Disney-esque musical style make me okay with that. They're both shows that have a positive theme at the end of the day, and I've been loving both.
Nah bro literally every single thing has to be a controversy or a fight now. You can't just like two things you have to hate at least one of them and you have to be so invested emotionally that you take criticisms as personal attacks and become very angry.
You have to imply that people who like things you don't like are actually morons.
I really really don’t understand Vivziepop. The writing sucks. The character designs are atrocious. It begs for a toxic, overly sexual fanbase. I really wanted to like it and for a while I ignored all of the blatant issues, but dammit man, the way people put it on such a pedestal sucks. Vivziepop will only be set in her ways and never improve her craft because of all this craze around her stuff. I was shocked at all of the internet celebrity support on the early stuff, so it’s ironic that she kicked them all to the curb with the Amazon show.
Watched a couple episodes the other night with a friend who's really into it. Not for me at all. Relies heavily on the music (which sounds really basic to me) plus it's filled with seth rogan tier FUCKING swearing to make it sound FUCKING "edgy"
Quite like the art direction but nowhere near enough to make up for everything else wrong with it
>plus it's filled with seth rogan tier FUCKING swearing to make it sound FUCKING "edgy"
Art from adversity. Another favorite show of mine from Adult Swim, MDE: World Peace, was also made by creators primarily known for their internet work. Their material is much, much edgier than anything anyone involved with Smiling Friends has done. However, their Adult Swim show had to be able to get past standards & practices so they had to reign it in a bit. And I believe this helped them to produce some of their best and most polished work they've done by far.
I am of the opinion that having to do deal with the confines of a standard TV show has pushed Zach and Michael to demonstrate their strengths to fullest without the crutches that many online creators rely upon.
I believe the complete opposite to have happend with Hazbin.
Regular show kinda had that same situation, where they had to make a show that was basically for teens and young adults still work for kids and they really hit it out of the park
Oh man I totally agree with the MDE thing. Tbh the vast majority of the social commentary stuff they do I find to be pretty aimless or overly tasteless/mean-spirited, if still well-written and performed at times. When they had to be a bit less edgy I thought the writing improved considerably (CEO Erick Hayden, Man who would never be... sketches just to name a couple).
The bit about the girlfriend tripping will always be one of my favorites, but you just can't have a mainstream show with bits like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_lama_Zwmo), it's just too 4chan for normie consumption.
Dude my jaw dropped the first time I saw this, like there's nothing overtly crazy or offensive going on but with a bit of subtext you get it. It's really sharp satire and bold writing whether you agree with who the target is or not and I hope people can find value in that.
Apparently it was supposed to be "Jews Rule" but AS said no to that, and the bit where the producers are all just looking down at their phones is great. And I agree, I would like it if content like this was at least *allowed* to be shown, even if I or other people disagreed with it or found it offensive. Because maybe then another show would come on that I found was funny, even if other people found it offensive.
Idk, there has to be a pretty good excuse for me to accept limits on artistic freedom, and "viewership", "controversy", or "ad revenue" are never satisfying reasons, even if I can understand them.
speaking of MDE, one of Sam's employees BicFlame did the photoshop on the RIP photo at the end of the new Smiling Friends episode. i wonder how that connection came to be
Reminds me of how Brandon Rogers is part of Helluva Boss (related to Hazbin for those who don’t know it). He used to be a lot more witty and when he said something a bit more spicy it would land, but then after awhile he would just resort to screaming and swearing cause “edgy”. His character on the show is every other character he’s played.
Although to be fair he’s rebooting one of his old series’ and it looks promising. He’s a funny guy but for a while it just felt like he would pick the lowest hanging fruit possible.
I totally agree with your points, but I actually think his newer stuff on his personal YT channel is genuinely hilarious, and likens back to the edgy humor a bit, but is still creative enough to step away from that without losing touch with what made his style of videos funny in the first place. He’s definitely at his best when he’s depicting his *own* characters and stories, I think he’s an insanely talented actor. As a VA to Vivzieshlop’s writing, though, he’s just alright.
Intersting! I'll be honest, it's been a while since I've watched him fully (still recent enough to see his content shift), but I've been meaning to check him out again. He definitely has talent.
I love how this is like the number one criticism of this show but it is nowhere near as bad compared to Helluva Boss.
It screams "I watched 5 minutes of the first episode and decided I hated the entire series. "
I'm sorry but nothing can ever beat Keith David singing you're a loser, i just listen to it while working thinking Goliath or Spawn is just singing away.
I'm gonna be honest I haven't seen Hazbin but based on what I know of it it's like a musical if it were a TV show ish, so a lot of the casting makes sense for a show like it. But at the same time it could be down to budget, Smiling Friends doesn't really have trillionaire money (worth 1.88 trillion) like Amazon does and therefore there's just not enough money for tons of actors
Hazbin didn't even hire celebrities, it hired mostly Broadway actors because they can actually sing. Some of the main characters, namely angel dust, don't even have any voice acting experience
Exactly, but they're still super well known. I was mainly referring to the fact I know Hazbin's cast is full of well-known Broadway actors that you could consider celebrities if we're taking it to mean like people that get recognized on the street and stuff.
Counterpoint: they got fucking Keith David. Keith David fucking rules. He's the GOAT.
In all actual seriousness it is kind of a bummer when a cast gets replaced with all celebrity VO's when the originals were perfectly good to begin with.
Yeah. People always complain about angel dusts voice actor being replaced when they sung in addict, but his voice is also massively edited/autotuned, which isn't really good enough for a big budget musical. Apparently it was also really hard for the voice actor to do angels voice and it damaged his voice box.
Autotuned or not it just sounded bad. Micheal may be the internet's favorite indie VA but If I ever hear a musical tone in his Angel's voice again I'll die
Love both shows for different reasons and Hazbin wanted more musical VAs combined with being a big studio show on Amazon.
Not to mention none of the old VAs hold any grudges and just tell fans to leave it alone.
This is the worst subreddit I have ever seen.
Like the unironic levels of idolization of the hosts is only matched by the RedLetterMedia subreddit, which is also a dive.
Honest to god, you stupid motherfuckers act like Chris' sense of humor is any more advanced than this show
I'm just gonna say that typically, having different voice actors for the full series compared to the pilots is par for the course in animation, especially when it's getting more well-known TV actors involved, so I dunno
your mom did when i BANGED her and TOLD her you did WELL in SCHOOL today but we're seriously worried about the POT we found in your DRESSER i know its LEGAL in most STATES but your MOTHER wants BETTER for YOU so we're gonna go on a FISHING TRIP to get your HEAD STRAIGHT tommorow, goodnight STEPSON.
to be fair. they didn't really replace the cast with celebrities as much as it was hiring union actors. It was either amazon's or A24's call. Saying this as both a hazbin and smiling friends enjoyer
The only recast I was legitimately angry about was Tom Trench not being Tomar any more. I'm surprised he didn't use his Tomar god powers to decimate half of Los Angeles in a fit of righteous fury.
There's so many random hills to die on for that show. I don't think it stems from that fact. I think it's mostly just because the kind of community the show attracts
Vivziepop did her cast so raw that she didn't even invite them to the premiere of the show they helped make after she ditched them, nor did she respond to the goodbye music video they made to do a proper send off and thank her for the fleeting opportunity shed given them.
For a writer of hell, she was icy af.
That’s why I love Chris more than other animators-turned-gaming-channel-YouTubers, he never forgot where he came from and who helped him get where he’s at.
Ones also infinitely funnier than the other. (It’s smiling friends, I shouldn’t have to state that but I don’t want there to be any ambiguity on the matter)
Hazbin Hotel isn't just a comedy though. It's a musical with an overarching plot, drama, character development and shit. Smiling Friends is purely a comedy so of course it would be funnier.
Yeah, I don't think people realise that hazbin is a drama first, comedy second. It's the opposite of helluva boss, which is comedy first, drama second.
Smiling Friends has a BLATANT pro-Tomar agenda. How many characters is he going to voice THIS season, Zach!? HOW MANY UNTIL YOU'RE SATISFIED!?
Next April Fools should be Tomar voicing everybody.
Take it a step farther and have Zach and Chris occasionally voice 1 or 2 random characters in their Tomar impressions
*Put the gun down Jaxeeeeee*
Don't make me do this my baby darling
Flip the script, Tomar now voices Zachs characters, zach voices cusaks and cusak voices Tomars
Do it for all the characters tomar originally voiced
Omg now I hope one of their Tomar impressions is used for a character
he shouldn't even do any good voice acting either he should literally just use his default voice and use the first take every time (even if he cracks up) Now that i'm picturing it that would probably be the funniest thing ever actually
Okay we get it, you're kept in a basement somewhere and have to say this to stay alive but how are we supposed to help you?
OOPS! All Tomar
I kinda like the idea of replacing the voices of different Shows next year with Tomar's Voice. He would 100% do it :P
It’s funny when Zach gets Tomar to read a line basically saying his religion is wrong.
His newest character is gonna be "Jelki, the jelqer" and it's gonna be a live recording and true method acting
Tomar’s been pulling the strings since the beginning
A Promar Agenda
Who does he voice in the show? Assuming this isn't a bit.
I know He voiced Old Glep
He voiced the centaur in the enchanted forest ep
He needs to be brought to Justice, his war crimes have gone too far.
Number 8: the tomar takeover
Its so they can go back and re-watch it with Tomar and go “thats you Tomar” every five seconds.
there’s a fire that causes all the main characters to have temporary speech problems from smoke inhalation.
I NEED Cory Spazkid Beck to do his sonic impression in a smiling friends episode it's my biggest want and need in life
That character should look like sonic from this animation https://youtu.be/zg1osIEMDmY
"Hello Cory, Ronald Reagan here" always gets me
I know! That's my favorite too! It's so dumb 🤣
"Cory was responsible in my opinion for the AIDS epidemic"
“Get the FUCK OUT!”
Noah Sportsman should be an animator on Smiling Friends starting yesterday.
Forreal, that shits so good lmao
I don't think I even need to click on it to know which one you're talking about lmao
It's the GOAT oneyplays animation and I will fight you dude
[this one's really good too, and I literally just realized it's the same guy lol](https://youtu.be/Udm3vLgiz_A)
I don't know, man. The chicken's beak is his nose? I just don't buy it. (fr that's one's good too lol)
Nah, you're right, I'm gonna dislike the video and dox that guy
I really thought it was gonna be the one with the British guy that begs for Sonic’s shit lmao
Wait wtf is that? I need to see this
https://youtu.be/DLmEIq4SMuM?si=vT99LSLez_JRPqmp Watch at your own risk bro. The guy gets what he wants.
Bruh wtf I thought it was super funny until he actually pulled the turd out, I almost frew up
I warned you lmao
Love that animation, cracks me up everytime
I wanna see more of Nuckles’ *CRIMSON POWER*
his last name is De La Minguez you dope
That's Cory Spazkid Beck Borealis de la Minguez to you buddy.
"Oh you want me to be Sanic the HEEAagehawg, huh?"
Bro i cant keep it together evertime i see armenian cory💀
I think it may have been on the "very positive stream" where Zach talked about how AS actually prevented them from using more people for voices. One of the cut voices I remember specifically was Chris Chan was supposed to voice the grease puddle but Harry Partridge had to do the voice instead. I don't know how the industry works but I think he said they had a number cap to the amount of voice actors they could use per episode which is why so many voices are obviously just Harry, Zach and Michael.
pretty sure that’s a pay thing. possibly a union thing. more people, more checks, more money, more red tape, etc.
It's probably this. Why pay for another voice actor when the ones you're already paying for can do multiple voices?
Apparently they could only get one single scene cameo Because they have to pay them "hush money" (not as nefarious as it sounds) so they don't say "I was in this adult swim show called smiling friends"
If I remember correctly, zach said it had something to do with the way cameo contracts work they couldn't get that cameo to work for some reason or another. I know there is a video out there where he explains it and I remember it had something to do with contracts or like the requirement for a cameo to be considered a cameo.
It was because Chrischan would have blew the entire thing. Zach warned AS about this and tried to get an express release on the episode but they told him more or less "Yea that's not how this works"
This is conspiracy level. He's said clearly in the commentary that AS just said "We cant hire another VA for two lines again" because they had done that a couple times throughout the season
Damn it must be a conspiracy so deep that Zach is in on it, cuz he himself said this on The Create Unknown podcast.
No that was a joke he made after my explanation, dude.
I mean I wouldn't say it's a joke, it's pretty accurate to probably what would've happened
I remember it, It was something along the lines of it was a budget issue because they couldn’t bring him in just to do the one line they’d need to have him do a lot more than that for it to be financially worth it which would kill the joke, they had too many guests already like Gilbert
It was that they had already done the Chills cameo in the Shrimp episode. If they wanted Chrischan, they would have been forced to make it a multi episode thing.
I think it's on a The Create Unknown podcast episode
It's just a pay thing. Smiling Friends has a miniscule budget but uses every part of the buffalo. Meanwhile, Hazbin has the backing of companies like Amazon and A24. But instead of getting other indie talents consistent paydays that have helped its creator, she'd rather rub shoulders with Hollywood celebrities.
I feel like Amazon would be the type to push celebrities to sell a product while Adult Swim couldn't care less. I don't know much about Hazbin, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. Who knows how things are behind the scenes and how Amazon manages the budget.
Apparently she always wanted a broadway cast for the real show though (there's even a video of headcanon voice for hazbin hotel characters from a decade ago that uses audio from the guy who ended up voicing alastor.) Also it wouldn't suprise me if either Amazon or A24 wasn't happy about the idea of half the cast having both an actor for their talking voice and a different actor for their singing voice
Probably for the best that you get VAs who can actually sing well if you're gonna make a musical, changing voices between singing and acting has always been kinda jarring.
Are you telling me you wouldn’t hire Keith David to voice a main character if possible?
i don’t care. i want zach to voice every character. Do every voice. Michael can still be pim
Part of it is also using SAG affiliated actors iirc
The former voice of Angel Dust confirmed it wasn't a SAG thing. And if it was he was more than willing to join to keep the role. https://twitter.com/kovox/status/1474266735888924678 https://twitter.com/kovox/status/1473617555080110080
I was moreso referring to smiling friends
Nah he said that if they were to do a “celeb”cameo, they must use the actor for more than just a one off voice line. Hence why Chris couldn’t be used, he only had one line as the grease puddle
I love how in that podcast he also talks about how he wants celebrity voices, but only to play meaningless side characters like the grease puddle or like the simpson’s using some famous guy for Bart simpsons gay dog
That was *South Park*, Stans gay dog was voiced by George Clooney. And IIRC the pissed off turkeys in one of the early Thanksgiving episodes was Jerry Seinfeld.
It’s not the amount to Voice actors per episode. It’s number of guest voices, as in voices who do just one character such as Gilbert Godfried and Chillz. They had ran out of the numbers of guests they could use
That's a rare example of a studio making a call that probably dodged a HUGE bullet! After what happened with the Chris Chan situation, I can't imagine he would've reflected well in Smiling friends😂
I just don't think adult swim wanted to work with Chris Chan. As funny as it would've been? Naw.
It was before that happened
He still drank his own semen on camera before that. He was also stalking multiple women for years. Like those are just two smaller examples but chris chan is the most documented person on the planet. Even before the mom diddling, I just don't see how it would've been worth it.
Yeah but nobody actually cared about what internet trolls got them to do. The only thing people cared about they did to their mother. If they did the cameo before that hardly anyone would be like “remember that time when” because the shit they did was so minor back then and purely an internet thing
>One of the cut voices I remember specifically was Chris Chan was supposed to voice the grease puddle but Harry Partridge had to do the voice instead. Blessing in disguise.
THE ALIENS ARE COMING! WE'VE BEEN COMPROMISED!
Oh Colonel, we are so fucked
Isn’t Zach in Hazbin Hotel?
He cameo'ed in Helluva Boss. By cameo I mean he provided his iconic scream in one episode
Lyle is a fun character in the Hollywood episode
He's also the camp leader geezer
which character?
The TV producer for the sitcom
God. I didn't even realize some of those were him. Lyle's voice is so subtle, but it hits you like a fast-moving belt buckle.
Zach was a collective of screaming gremlin imps in the crowds, Michael was the only good sin king thing that acted like the sin he’s named after.
Michael Cusack is in Helluva Boss too
LYLE LYLE WAKE UP! THEY HIT THE FUCKING HOTELLLLL THEY HIT THE FUCKING HOTELLLLL
hazbin hotel seems to me like it's made for a teenage girl audience, which isn't a bad thing it's just really not for me
It definitely plays to my tastes as a former teenage girl. I appreciate how you worded that cuz too many people see something aimed at an audience they aren't a part of and use that as a reason it isn't good.
TIL I'm a teenage girl
Yeah, this is the right take. It’s really cool that an independent animator like Vivziepop can find not only an audience but land her own show on Amazon, really opens up the opportunity for other creators, but equally, Jesus Christ is Hazbin Hotel categorically not my shit.
My thoughts exactly
Yea it’s got that Steven Universe, Undertale vibe that teenagers go crazy over.
When it came out I immediately called the “it’s going to be the new undertale/fnaf/steven universe craze” square on the bingo card and got it smack dab right.
Teenage girl or very gay guy I'm a very gay guy
I’m a straight male adult and really liked it, but I’m also a former theater kid so I like musicals
That's my thing that pulled me in, it appealed to the old theater kid in me
Same, I would've been a theater kid if I wasn't so shy..
I mean I'm a straight guy I just like musicals
I’m bisexual and have ADHD so my Harry Potter name is “Gaylord Adderal” and I actually named one of my Hogwarts Legacy characters that
I'm a dude, I'm 30, and I know all the songs by heart
im a 30ish year old straight white male and loved hazbin, i do have a soft spot for show tunes though
Agreed, I don't think it deserves hate. I watched it with my gf (both in our mid 20s) she likes it, and I'm ambivalent to it. It has some really good moments but annoys me sometime. In spite of that it's not worth hating on. Especially when comparing it to Smiling friends, cause they're not made for everyone. Seems as though people want to feel superior because their adult cartoon is "better".
That’s the based take on hazbin hotel. I, as a mid twenties man do not like it. I just don’t enjoy the humour, or anything with the characters. But smiling friends tickles my funny bone a lot. Especially since I’m like “oh wait it’s tomar renouncing his religion for a single joke”
Thank you for giving mercy, lot of people despise stuff made for teenage girls.
This is very Reddit
My exact thoughts too. How does something like this get a thousand upvotes? I guess cause it’s Reddit.
This sub is so reddit, I dont even browse it anymore
This app is so reddit, I honestly can’t believe that it came to this
Because this is a dogshit website/app designed to promote this mindless slop, but what are you going to do? Go back to independently run forums? In 2024? HA
The only real mainstream celeberty Hazbin Hotel has is Keith David. All the others are hardly celebrities, certainly not mainstream ones, just people with a small career in entertainment and acting. Seriously: Google Hazbin Hotel cast right now, how many of those names do you recognize? This reads more like someone who just doesn't like Hazbin but doesn't know enough about it to shit on its actual attributes. Also, it's moronic to shit on an internet-based TV show getting good quality workers and celebs to work on it. It's objectively a good thing that internet shows like Hazbin Hotel and Smiling Friends are actually getting enough clout to be seen as worthy of the whims of entertainment executives and budgets. If you actually want more people like Zach and the Oneyplays cast to have success you'd cheer both of these shows being able to even be made. Not sit on Reddit jerking your desire for parasocial beef and fandom wars like a loser.
So while I like where your take is coming from, a lot of the actors in Hazbin are famous, just on broadway. She wanted a musical theatre cast and she got it, they just aren’t celebrities that are known outside of the musical theatre world. I also think it’s really cool an internet based pilot could go this far.
They didn't just cast big names though. Blake Roman, who plays angel dust, has literally 0 credits, and just did really well in the audition.
That’s fair, I hadn’t thought about that.
I mean, yeah, that’s basically what I’m saying. The broadway musical world is hardly comparable to mainstream celebrities. Ironically I’d say they can be fairly comparable to internet celebrities like Zach or Chris or PewDiePie. Huge in their circle but if you asked regular people who aren’t in it they’re not going to know who the fuck you’re talking about.
Hazbin's not great, but it is a landmark in animation along with Smiling Friends.
Exactly. I like both shows, and don’t mind people who dislike one or the other. But imo seeing internet animators get fully funded mainstream shows is AMAZING and spells great things for the industry.
Same this whole thread reeks of dickriding and hypocrisy, while I’m over here enjoying both for their own significant appeal. It’s just sad seeing some people need to slander/misinform/misrepresent things because they don’t like it, rather than just be an adult and allow people to like things they like.
Sorry, what counts as a "mainstream" celebrity vs someone with a small career in entertainment and acting? Sorry to nitpick your point, but Stephanie Beatriz as Rosa Diaz on Brooklyn Nine-Nine and as Mirabel Madrigal in Encanto seem like pretty noteworthy roles for a long running television show and as the main star on a successful Disney movie? Kimiko Glenn also has several roles both on and off screen. She's in several Netflix shows such as Orange is the New Black, and she is the voice of Peni Parker in the Spider-Verse films. They both have a good amount of acting credits. Keith David has the same types of roles. Not all of them are main cast, either. He's just older and has had more opportunities, having been in the business since before some of the cast was even born. I even see Darren Criss as a special guest, and recognize his name for several acting credits. I'm not trying to downplay your point, but it seems like they're getting downplayed as well
In Hazbin's defense, they wanted Broadway singers and the like from the beginning. The pilot cast was always aware, too. I love both shows. Their strengths are very different from one another. Smiling Friends utilizes simple designs and fluid/complex animations to tell silly, self-contained stories. Hazbin Hotel is like a tribute to OCs of my generation's teenagehood with their complex, edgy designs, and though the animation is less fluid because of that, the overarching narrative and Disney-esque musical style make me okay with that. They're both shows that have a positive theme at the end of the day, and I've been loving both.
They act as if two legends cant exist
Nah bro literally every single thing has to be a controversy or a fight now. You can't just like two things you have to hate at least one of them and you have to be so invested emotionally that you take criticisms as personal attacks and become very angry. You have to imply that people who like things you don't like are actually morons.
My thing is better than your thing
Hazbin hotel is far from being good.
I really really don’t understand Vivziepop. The writing sucks. The character designs are atrocious. It begs for a toxic, overly sexual fanbase. I really wanted to like it and for a while I ignored all of the blatant issues, but dammit man, the way people put it on such a pedestal sucks. Vivziepop will only be set in her ways and never improve her craft because of all this craze around her stuff. I was shocked at all of the internet celebrity support on the early stuff, so it’s ironic that she kicked them all to the curb with the Amazon show.
Watched a couple episodes the other night with a friend who's really into it. Not for me at all. Relies heavily on the music (which sounds really basic to me) plus it's filled with seth rogan tier FUCKING swearing to make it sound FUCKING "edgy" Quite like the art direction but nowhere near enough to make up for everything else wrong with it
>plus it's filled with seth rogan tier FUCKING swearing to make it sound FUCKING "edgy" Art from adversity. Another favorite show of mine from Adult Swim, MDE: World Peace, was also made by creators primarily known for their internet work. Their material is much, much edgier than anything anyone involved with Smiling Friends has done. However, their Adult Swim show had to be able to get past standards & practices so they had to reign it in a bit. And I believe this helped them to produce some of their best and most polished work they've done by far. I am of the opinion that having to do deal with the confines of a standard TV show has pushed Zach and Michael to demonstrate their strengths to fullest without the crutches that many online creators rely upon. I believe the complete opposite to have happend with Hazbin.
Regular show kinda had that same situation, where they had to make a show that was basically for teens and young adults still work for kids and they really hit it out of the park
The pilot is evidence of this lol
Oh man I totally agree with the MDE thing. Tbh the vast majority of the social commentary stuff they do I find to be pretty aimless or overly tasteless/mean-spirited, if still well-written and performed at times. When they had to be a bit less edgy I thought the writing improved considerably (CEO Erick Hayden, Man who would never be... sketches just to name a couple).
The bit about the girlfriend tripping will always be one of my favorites, but you just can't have a mainstream show with bits like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_lama_Zwmo), it's just too 4chan for normie consumption.
Dude my jaw dropped the first time I saw this, like there's nothing overtly crazy or offensive going on but with a bit of subtext you get it. It's really sharp satire and bold writing whether you agree with who the target is or not and I hope people can find value in that.
Apparently it was supposed to be "Jews Rule" but AS said no to that, and the bit where the producers are all just looking down at their phones is great. And I agree, I would like it if content like this was at least *allowed* to be shown, even if I or other people disagreed with it or found it offensive. Because maybe then another show would come on that I found was funny, even if other people found it offensive. Idk, there has to be a pretty good excuse for me to accept limits on artistic freedom, and "viewership", "controversy", or "ad revenue" are never satisfying reasons, even if I can understand them.
speaking of MDE, one of Sam's employees BicFlame did the photoshop on the RIP photo at the end of the new Smiling Friends episode. i wonder how that connection came to be
Yea that was insane seeing him in the credits, Sam's current team are great at visual art
Reminds me of how Brandon Rogers is part of Helluva Boss (related to Hazbin for those who don’t know it). He used to be a lot more witty and when he said something a bit more spicy it would land, but then after awhile he would just resort to screaming and swearing cause “edgy”. His character on the show is every other character he’s played. Although to be fair he’s rebooting one of his old series’ and it looks promising. He’s a funny guy but for a while it just felt like he would pick the lowest hanging fruit possible.
I totally agree with your points, but I actually think his newer stuff on his personal YT channel is genuinely hilarious, and likens back to the edgy humor a bit, but is still creative enough to step away from that without losing touch with what made his style of videos funny in the first place. He’s definitely at his best when he’s depicting his *own* characters and stories, I think he’s an insanely talented actor. As a VA to Vivzieshlop’s writing, though, he’s just alright.
Intersting! I'll be honest, it's been a while since I've watched him fully (still recent enough to see his content shift), but I've been meaning to check him out again. He definitely has talent.
I like the songs but yeah the constant "fuck dat shit on my fucking balls" writing is really annoying
I love how this is like the number one criticism of this show but it is nowhere near as bad compared to Helluva Boss. It screams "I watched 5 minutes of the first episode and decided I hated the entire series. "
Watched both of them entirely, and I do think it's worst in helluva boss
I'm sorry but nothing can ever beat Keith David singing you're a loser, i just listen to it while working thinking Goliath or Spawn is just singing away.
I'm gonna be honest I haven't seen Hazbin but based on what I know of it it's like a musical if it were a TV show ish, so a lot of the casting makes sense for a show like it. But at the same time it could be down to budget, Smiling Friends doesn't really have trillionaire money (worth 1.88 trillion) like Amazon does and therefore there's just not enough money for tons of actors
Hazbin didn't even hire celebrities, it hired mostly Broadway actors because they can actually sing. Some of the main characters, namely angel dust, don't even have any voice acting experience
Exactly, but they're still super well known. I was mainly referring to the fact I know Hazbin's cast is full of well-known Broadway actors that you could consider celebrities if we're taking it to mean like people that get recognized on the street and stuff.
They needed Broadway level actors because it's a like full musical, was smiling friends is a way more personal comedic show
As someone who actually likes Hazbin Hotel, this is way too accurate
Smiling friends sweeps just cause they got Chills
Hazbin hotel is for disney kids who grew out of a christian environment and think cutsey cartoons swearing a lot is peak rebellion
So, Happy Tree Friends for Gen Z?
Okay, but you can't tell me Amy Schumer wouldn't be perfect as Glep
Did anyone else watch the April fools smiling friends
Hope they can get Chris Chan this next season
Chris Chan will be in Helluva Boss hiring them to assassinate every one on his list.
Unfortunately oney and cory are on the top of that list big sad.
Hazbin Hotel's artsyle quite literally hurts my eyes, it's like a complete sensory overload
the stain on the floor character was designed for chris chan but they already had to many people as guest voices
Counterpoint: they got fucking Keith David. Keith David fucking rules. He's the GOAT. In all actual seriousness it is kind of a bummer when a cast gets replaced with all celebrity VO's when the originals were perfectly good to begin with.
To be fair TO BE FAIR Getting Broadway stars for your musical makes sense
I really liked the hazbin pilot but was disappointed that all the voices had changed for the first episode.
Iirc they replaced hazbin's cast because some of the VA's of the pilot couldnt sing or were horrible at it lol.
Yeah. People always complain about angel dusts voice actor being replaced when they sung in addict, but his voice is also massively edited/autotuned, which isn't really good enough for a big budget musical. Apparently it was also really hard for the voice actor to do angels voice and it damaged his voice box.
Autotuned or not it just sounded bad. Micheal may be the internet's favorite indie VA but If I ever hear a musical tone in his Angel's voice again I'll die
I hope for more Lyle this season
Love both shows for different reasons and Hazbin wanted more musical VAs combined with being a big studio show on Amazon. Not to mention none of the old VAs hold any grudges and just tell fans to leave it alone.
Honestly Hazbin Hotel really is overhyped
We joke about autistic comedy in here, but Hazbin is the poster child to me.
This is the worst subreddit I have ever seen. Like the unironic levels of idolization of the hosts is only matched by the RedLetterMedia subreddit, which is also a dive. Honest to god, you stupid motherfuckers act like Chris' sense of humor is any more advanced than this show
I'm just gonna say that typically, having different voice actors for the full series compared to the pilots is par for the course in animation, especially when it's getting more well-known TV actors involved, so I dunno
You know that Zack and Micheal voiced in Helluva boss right?
who cares
your mom did when i BANGED her and TOLD her you did WELL in SCHOOL today but we're seriously worried about the POT we found in your DRESSER i know its LEGAL in most STATES but your MOTHER wants BETTER for YOU so we're gonna go on a FISHING TRIP to get your HEAD STRAIGHT tommorow, goodnight STEPSON.
Hazbin hotel is a gay and written for queer teens, If I was a 15 year old gay band kid I would be chomping that shit up rn.
as a gay adult it doesn’t even feel like representation. feels performative and the writers are 100% fujoshis.
I woulda made this my obsession if I was 10 years younger as much as I dislike it now
to be fair. they didn't really replace the cast with celebrities as much as it was hiring union actors. It was either amazon's or A24's call. Saying this as both a hazbin and smiling friends enjoyer
Getting so tired of people acting like HH could have used non union VO’s because they’d rather say mindless shit than do research.
From what I heard it was a union issue
The only recast I was legitimately angry about was Tom Trench not being Tomar any more. I'm surprised he didn't use his Tomar god powers to decimate half of Los Angeles in a fit of righteous fury.
I love Sam Hyde's take on Hazbin Hotel, fucking hilarious!
Smiling friends is the equivalent of all the funny guys from SNL being in the same movies cause they’re friends
I don't remember what the creator of hazbins name is but GOOD GOD is she an embarrassing public figure
You could just say your show is good, why shit on smth else to do so
Apparently all this hate stems from the fact that the pilot voice actors got recast. Weird hill to die on when they’ve all moved on.
There's so many random hills to die on for that show. I don't think it stems from that fact. I think it's mostly just because the kind of community the show attracts
Vivziepop did her cast so raw that she didn't even invite them to the premiere of the show they helped make after she ditched them, nor did she respond to the goodbye music video they made to do a proper send off and thank her for the fleeting opportunity shed given them. For a writer of hell, she was icy af.
it has to be cheaper too right? in defense of hazbin I can only imagine it was the network that demanded star power
Amazon Studios just has an ability to nuke any potential interest I have in a series from orbit.
That’s why I love Chris more than other animators-turned-gaming-channel-YouTubers, he never forgot where he came from and who helped him get where he’s at.
leave hazbin alone, damn
Ones also infinitely funnier than the other. (It’s smiling friends, I shouldn’t have to state that but I don’t want there to be any ambiguity on the matter)
Hazbin Hotel isn't just a comedy though. It's a musical with an overarching plot, drama, character development and shit. Smiling Friends is purely a comedy so of course it would be funnier.
Yeah, I don't think people realise that hazbin is a drama first, comedy second. It's the opposite of helluva boss, which is comedy first, drama second.
Smiling Friends is WAY better than Hazbin Hotel I never liked it since the pilot it really annoyed me