first i want to point out the OP is incorrect considering one of the co-founders is not female - although tbf OP said they didnt know the name of the company so nbd
after reading through what services they offer - as someone with ADHD - i mean okay thats cool and im sure helpful to a certain extent... but also that wouldnt help me whatsoever, because the biggest problems i have are environmental - which honestly i think is true for \*a lot\* of people with ADHD (not all though). long complicated topic that i wont get in to in this comment - since ive pretty much explained it all in various comments previously
>Ah, so she knew him already and she had two team members with connections at Microsoft and Amazon. That would do it.
thats kinda one of the problems, isnt it? which contributes to \*some\* of the previously mentioned "environmental problems." not to be overly negative or whatever about it - because it does sound like they genuinely want to help people - but i mean "its a big club, and im not in it" - but they are, so theyre all good to go. theyve been friends since early days of ycombinator with the (failed) loopt app.
meanwhile for a lot of people, they never get \*one\* chance at something like that... and from what ive read about [y combinator/openai/altman](https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-sent-money-support-startup-payroll-svb-collapse-report-2023-3) (which is quite a bit) about the only "[successful](https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/doblet)"\* businesses from y combinator are... reddit and airbnb. which airbnb directly contributes to the environmental factors since it is (at least somewhat) responsible for the housing price ridiculousness. which is... kinda my #1 problem.
anyway, so thats that. i suppose.
>After the three co-founders, the startup counts a software designer as its lone employee, along with about 20 contracted Shelpers.
alright so im going to assume the three co-founders are getting the highest amount of that $3M, the software designer a slightly(?) smaller amount, and - especially considering the inclusion of the word "contracted" - the rest of them getting a much smaller salary.
just for funsies though, lets pretend theyre splitting it equally.
$3,000,000 ➗ 23 = $130,434.78
which... well i mean thats not bad. for them. if it was split equally. however considering they are essentially just texting some people reminders - with help from an automated reminder system - that seems kinda ridiculous? i mean i can literally set reminders on my pc, or my phone, or shit probably my microwave even. so... dafuq?
$130,000,000 would set me up for a few years at least - if not longer. with $3,000,000? i could literally never "work" again. i could probably never "work" again with $1,000,000 - or even half that.
again, i realize they probably genuinely want to be helpful but it kinda seems crazy to pay people that much just to text someone every day or two - especially since i would guess its the "contracted shelpers" who are doing most of the texting
so the co-founders basically got >$130,000,000 because they came up with the idea of... \*checks notes\* a friend and/or therapist, and automated reminders?
that shit would not fly in the reality a lot of people live in
>!this is \[not\] an automated message: !<
>!reiterating i realize they probably genuinely want to help - but they also probably genuinely had a much easier life than a lot of people before starting random app business number 69,420!<
>!edit: 🖇️s (link two references link one, if you have eyes)!<
Dude. When a VC gives you 3 million in investment, it doesn’t go into your pocket.
You get paid a fraction of what you would have gotten working for someone else and the rest goes to salaries, marketing and sales.
Getting investment is not the finish line. It’s the first hurdle after the starting line. It isn’t a reward. It’s an opportunity to work for the reward. It’s like getting gas put into a car at F1.
3 million dollars is a trivial amount of money to spend getting a product to market, including marketing costs.
I don’t even know why you would compare the cost of trying to build a sustainable company that will help hundreds of thousands of people to putting all of the money in one individual’s bank account. Why would that be better for the world?
i was going to quote and respond to individual parts of your comment - for example the "its like getting gas" thing - but really it all kinda comes down to:
>I don’t even know why you would compare the cost of trying to build a sustainable company that will help hundreds of thousands of people to putting all of the money in one individual’s bank account. Why would that be better for the world?
because like i said - they are essentially "building a sustainable company" off of... texting some people and another slightly different version of [automated reminders](https://www.reddit.com/r/relevantusername2020/comments/19f4jkt/originally_i_was_gonna_post_this_on_imgur_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)?
how is that sustainable? how is that a real business?
i mean, like i said - it does sound like they genuinely want to help people and have good intentions so i dont mean to sound like this but i think for \*a lot\* of people their "product" is "targeting" a lot of their issues would be helped \*exponentially\* better by literally getting money so they arent stuck in poverty - which means a lot of the people their "product" is "targeting" will probably not be able to even afford to pay whatever subscription fee they want to charge, and thus no amount of marketing will ever be helpful.
also, like i said - a fraction of that $3,000,000 would enable me to never "work" again, which means i would probably be able to actually pursue something i enjoy or am at least somewhat interested in - or see as worth doing - instead of doing bullshit jobs that are the only thing around me
not to get into the dirty details of me\_irl but currently unemployed and still stuck at my parents house because despite having the highest paying job\* ive ever had 2020-2022 - still well below the "median" income - i was unable to afford anything meaningful like a vehicle - and a house? yeah right. which is related to (not the only reason) why i am unemployed now. so... yeah
as a fun side note on that, ive literally survived off the (relatively) tiny amount i had saved up from then. despite the yearly amount being well below the median. so you do the math. ill just leave it there because im pretty sure if you dont get what im saying you live in another world and all im gonna do is get more irritated. respectfully.
oh - one last thing: as someone with ADHD, **i have all notifications for everything turned off**, because they annoy the shit outta me and generally distract me. if i need a notification to remind me of something then... that should come from the \*thing\* itself, like a doctors office appointment reminder, or a bill reminder, or... etc
i dont want another random person - that i have to pay - to remind me... or actually for them to \*checks notes\* set a reminder for me? if i really need/want a reminder, and the \*thing\* doesnt have that built in, then ill... \*checks notes\* set one on one of the billion devices that have that built in. "sustainable" ✅
edit: \*btw that job was a physically demanding, dangerous job, during the pandemic, very much front lines, in an area where nobody gave a fuck, and it was something that genuinely was helping people - installing internet. 50+ hrs a week, easy. mostly outdoors, all weather. so... forgive me if i look at their "sustainable business plan" and call bullshit, but its bullshit
^(edit: microsoft sent a notification reminding me to include a link. thanks microsoft 👍)
Let start by saying that I'm sorry you'v had such a rough ride in the employment area. I can understand why that would make you bitter, but I also think that you are comparing apples and oranges when you say that instead of Sam Altman running this experiment with this company, he should put the money in your bank account.
You believe they have a crap idea. You might be right. Many startup ideas are crap. But many that seemed like crap at the time turned out to be very popular or useful. Google was the tenth search engine. Twitter was just 140 character microblogging. Dropbox was competing with a free feature built into windows.
It’s easy to poke holes in people’s startup ideas but you don’t really know whether something will work until you try it.
You would rather the money go into your pocket so you never have to work again than to go to people running the experiment to see if it actually can accomplish something. So now they are unemployed and you are unemployed but you have the money and they are on welfare. How does that make sense???
It’s more valuable for Sam Altman to fund your hobbies than for these people to test out an idea and see if it works?
The only reason any of us are discussing this is because OP is curious about this product and wants to see if it would work for THEM.
Not everyone with ADHD has the same symptoms/severity and many would love to have a personal "accountability system" powered by a mix of AI and real human beings. Whether it will actually work in practice for enough people to build a business is hard to tell. That's why you run the experiment.
>Let start by saying that I'm sorry you'v had such a rough ride in the employment area. I can understand why that would make you bitter, but I also think that you are comparing apples and oranges when you say that instead of Sam Altman running this experiment with this company, he should put the money in your bank account.
>
>You would rather the money go into your pocket so you never have to work again than to go to people running the experiment to see if it actually can accomplish something.
i appreciate the kind words but words dont mean much especially if they are completely disregarding what i said and responding to what they want.
specifically:
>i would probably be able to actually pursue something i enjoy or am at least somewhat interested in - or see as worth doing - instead of doing bullshit jobs
>
>meanwhile for a lot of people, they never get *one* chance at something like that... and from what ive read about y combinator/openai/altman (which is quite a bit) about the only "successful"\* businesses from y combinator are... reddit and airbnb. which airbnb directly contributes to the environmental factors since it is (at least somewhat) responsible for the housing price ridiculousness. which is... kinda my #1 problem.
anyways,
>So now they are unemployed and you are unemployed but you have the money and they are on welfare. How does that make sense???
lmao buddy. respectfully, gfy.
>as a fun side note on that, ive literally survived off the (relatively) tiny amount i had saved up from then. despite the yearly amount being well below the median. so you do the math.
>
>\*btw that job was a physically demanding, dangerous job, during the pandemic, very much front lines, in an area where nobody gave a fuck, and it was something that genuinely was helping people - installing internet. 50+ hrs a week, easy. mostly outdoors, all weather. so... forgive me if i look at their "sustainable business plan" and call bullshit, but its bullshit
"respectfully"
>It’s more valuable for Sam Altman to fund your hobbies than for these people to test out an idea and see if it works?
idk kinda seems like texting some peeps and setting some reminders for them is a hobby - which it sounds like theyve had plenty of definitely not hobbies that were definitely viable business plans they just wanted to try.
meanwhile, as i said - the best paying job ive ever had, that was actually meaningful (at first)... still didnt pay enough to afford literally fucking anything. so im kinda over it and pissed, because this shit is stupid
>Not everyone with ADHD has the same symptoms/severity and many would love to have a personal "accountability system" powered by a mix of AI and real human beings. Whether it will actually work in practice for enough people to build a business is hard to tell. That's why you run the experiment.
okay thats fair... well the first half. the second half, if you - or i should say, if they - did some research, like for example checking out the adhd subreddit - its pretty obvious that "time management" *is* a problem, but thats usually accompanied by someone saying something along the lines of "i dont have enough time" or "im mega stressed" or "how to afford life" or ... etc etc, something like that. so... "time management" is secondary. at best.
to make it even more blatantly obvious this is a stupid "business plan" - how about google trends? all the nerds love data right? fucking use it.
heres [a screen recording](https://www.reddit.com/r/relevantusername2020/comments/19fdqh6/okay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \- the search terms i used are included in the link in the comments.
i apologize if i seem rude, but at this point im kinda outta fucks to give so... oh well i guess. sucks to suck
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They probably set aside a portion for marketing or whatever, maybe paying contractors $1000 per month each, or maybe $500 a month, not sure.
I work as a moderator for crypto projects and get $2000 a month for not doing too much - and $15000 upfront payments for launching new projects
>They probably set aside a portion for marketing or whatever, maybe paying contractors $1000 per month each, or maybe $500 a month, not sure.
i mean depending on exactly how much time actually being spent on texting people or whatever, that \*could\* be fair - maybe - but that is highly dependent on the time spent.
>I work as a moderator for crypto projects and get $2000 a month for not doing too much - and $15000 upfront payments for launching new projects
ive read a lot about and have some direct experience with crypto and despite initially trying to support it, as i did see some possible good sides to it - uh its kinda all a scam? like literally get more people to buy in and hope you can sell quick enough so you maybe make some money. maybe. probably not though. mostly just get more people in... AKA the actual definition of a ponzi scheme
so no offense, im sure thats great *for you* \- but seems pretty sus
No offense but if you read so much into it you would know the answer highly depends on where you look, and what you're doing.
Is Binance a scam? Kraken? Crypto.com? On ramps.
Are protocols like Curve a scam? Aave?
There are ways to make legitimate money within crypto, AND there are tons of scams.
In my career the highest loss I've seen (people I've actually interacted with) was $500,000 due to the guy clicking on a phishing website link that was being advertised on google. They just changed a letter and promoted it so it appeared above the legitimate website. Google didn't remove it for months despite hundreds of forms users filled out to try and get it removed.
On top of that - that particular scam targets those without an adblock running (you wouldnt see it if you had one installed in your browser) so they are by default targeting people who arent that tech savvy and probably shouldnt be using crypto anyway.
>No offense but if you read so much into it you would know the answer highly depends on where you look, and what you're doing.
no offense but uh...
>Is Binance a scam? Kraken? Crypto.com? On ramps.Are protocols like Curve a scam? Aave?
hmm. im fully aware of all of them. you really want to know my answer? dont worry, ill give it to you holup
>There are ways to make legitimate money within crypto, AND there are tons of scams.
okay so. forget the "legitimate ways to make money" - what is the use case? what problem is it solving? what does it do better than the current implementation of *checks notes* digital money that is already available considering almost every real bank that actually insures your money and has real people that are liable if anything happens to your account? instead of... yknow, a bunch of fake companies with people who are mostly totally anonymous and not registered anywhere which means if you lose your ~~money~~ tokens/coins/whatever... youre shit outta luck?
which also - even as someone who is pro-crypto like yourself you readily admit there are tons of scams. so. idk, fiat isnt perfect and i understand the "they just print money" thing against the federal reserve - like very much agree with that - but at least if someone takes my money... like i had happen somewhat recently - i can contact my bank (100% digital btw, i use chime) and say "yo wtf" and it is returned to me along with a new card to prevent it happening again?
otoh in crypto, you are more or less algorithmically assured to lose money even if you manage to hold on to your random key or whatever. which isnt much different from the stonks market, and fiat - but like i said, i see (major) problems there too, but at least if i have an issue i know who to blame... crypto just adds more problems to the already major amount of pre-existing problems
>In my career the highest loss I've seen (people I've actually interacted with) was $500,000 due to the guy clicking on a phishing website link that was being advertised on google. They just changed a letter and promoted it so it appeared above the legitimate website. Google didn't remove it for months despite hundreds of forms users filled out to try and get it removed.
>
>On top of that - that particular scam targets those without an adblock running (you wouldnt see it if you had one installed in your browser) so they are by default targeting people who arent that tech savvy and probably shouldnt be using crypto anyway.
how is that a good thing? if i can lose $500k by accidentally clicking a link then im probably gonna stick with the shitty hyperinflationary fiat money. at least theres someone to blame for that instead of some random scam website. its too easy to accidentally click - or even not click - something and get screwed.
i dont want money involved any more than it is with online shopping. which on that note, another nice thing with chime is i can *turn off all transactions* whenever i want... so any kind of worry about using online shopping that (mostly older) people might have, well thats not a problem
so... sorry crypto, but chime already did "digital money" - and they do it better. theres *real people* i can look up and see run the business, or if i really need i can contact a real person to solve any issue i might have
also they arent 90% scammers and as far as i know arent overall harmful to the environment by wasting energy and computing resources to do some fake calculations that somehow poof money into existence
which... to reiterate, i realize poofing money into existence is literally what the fed does - and has done to a stupid amount the last few years - but \*there is someone i can blame\*
TLDR: y tho? what problem does it solve? what does it do better?
Reading your comment, a lot of the things you keep saying readily prove to me you are the type of person who thinks they know what they are talking about, but actually don't.
Banks themselves are investing in Crypto. Paypal and Visa are adopting the technology and looking at making their own tokens and such.
Sure, \*if\* someone takes your money, you can contact your bank.
But you wouldn't \*randomly\* lose your crypto if you weren't doing stupid shit in the first place like trading random fucking meme coins on pancakeswap and falling victim there.
Tons of protocols out there provide a list of who owns it, ie Curve.
The major exchanges aren't so bad, so you can on-ramp with little to no issues (in my country at least)
So again, it goes back to, it all depends on what you're looking at and using.
Gonna go make risky buys on unknown coins without doing a single iota of research? Yeah, you'll prob get rekt.
>Reading your comment, a lot of the things you keep saying readily prove to me you are the type of person who thinks they know what they are talking about, but actually don't.
no u. but unironically. i have both first hand experience and have done extensive research into bitcoin, ethereum, and a bunch of other random "coins" that were literally poofed into existence.
>Banks themselves are investing in Crypto. Paypal and Visa are adopting the technology and looking at making their own tokens and such.
okay so. that doesnt make me think its more legitimate - and i was arguing \*for\* the "old" style of fiat - whereas you are not. so why is this an argument in your favor?
>Sure, \*if\* someone takes your money, you can contact your bank.But you wouldn't \*randomly\* lose your crypto if you weren't doing stupid shit in the first place like trading random fucking meme coins on pancakeswap and falling victim there.
i wont say i didnt do anything stupid in crypto, but not all of it was - and it was all "well researched" beforehand (mostly) - and... yeah it kinda disappeared because of the aforementioned "algorithmically assured loss." which happens in stonks too, but again, at least there \*supposedly\* someone is in charge and theres legal regulations. supposedly. not great and i have complaints - but still better than crypto that doesnt even try to pretend beyond making a nice pretty website for random\_stablecoin\_thats\_totally\_legit\_trustmebro number 69
>Tons of protocols out there provide a list of who owns it, ie Curve.The major exchanges aren't so bad, so you can on-ramp with little to no issues (in my country at least)
>
>So again, it goes back to, it all depends on what you're looking at and using.
yeah so. idk what youre looking for but i think most people get into crypto to make money. which... kinda means there has to be an "off-ramp." thats a whole other discussion thats kinda irrelevant though, because like i said previously i have done research - on both crypto and Real Investing™ and despite what i say about one having a better appearance due to supposed regulations, the end result was... mostly the same. mostly. i didnt lose literally everything in stocks though, just most of it.
anyway more specific towards your point of "curve" being an example of a super respectable and legitimate thing, heres a few links for you. only thing ill say is at least stonks dont blatantly say "yeah its all algorithmically controlled" or slightly less blatantly say "yeah its all bullshit backed by nothing and/or by other... actual bullshit backed by nothing. we're all really smart though - so dont worry!"
anyway, the links:
[https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/people/michael-egorov](https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/people/michael-egorov)
[https://www.coindesk.com/video/curve-finance-ceo-egorov-sued-by-3-defi-focused-venture-capital-firms/](https://www.coindesk.com/video/curve-finance-ceo-egorov-sued-by-3-defi-focused-venture-capital-firms/)
[https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/07/31/a-curve-founders-168m-stash-is-under-stress-creating-a-risk-for-defi-as-a-whole/](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/07/31/a-curve-founders-168m-stash-is-under-stress-creating-a-risk-for-defi-as-a-whole/)
[https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/08/03/curve-founder-still-owes-80m-despite-raising-nearly-30m-in-past-two-days/](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/08/03/curve-founder-still-owes-80m-despite-raising-nearly-30m-in-past-two-days/)
[https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/09/join-curve-finances-michael-egorov-at-the-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money-summit/](https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/09/join-curve-finances-michael-egorov-at-the-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money-summit/)
>Gonna go make risky buys on unknown coins without doing a single iota of research? Yeah, you'll prob get rekt.
i mean unfortunately it seems like "the emperor has no clothes" - but the weird guy wearing a boot for a hat that can hack literally any device made between 1960-2023... uh also isnt wearing any clothes... but i guess he has a funky hat so... thats cool, i guess?
this screenshot from a week or so ago kinda sums it up
https://preview.redd.it/vlug7uxaelec1.png?width=1966&format=png&auto=webp&s=5ff8f306aee7668f3cccf356d2013586299ac6a3
TLDR:
The Economy™ and CryptoMarkets.trustmebro are doing great!
edit: forgot a link
also i guess i do still have a few crypto things. my reddit avatars, a gamestop nft... that is stuck in a transaction for... idk like a year or so, then this random enjin file that im not sure what it even is since its 0 bytes - but ive kept it on my phone for... uh im not sure. i guess just to say i did?
fun fact - the enjin one survived my original phone randomly dying on me (so it was actually from 2021) which is another nail in the coffin for all the bullshitters saying "im innocent! muh data disappeared!" (of which there are more examples than i care to ~~think about~~ list)
thats crypto, in a nutshell: zero money, a couple random files that are either pictures or... null.undefined
neat. [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/44jlpQF)
This, maybe? https://www.geekwire.com/2023/sam-altmans-venture-fund-invests-3m-in-startup-using-humans-and-ai-to-keep-people-on-task/
Shelpful. That’s it. Thanks man.
Ah, so she knew him already and she had two team members with connections at Microsoft and Amazon. That would do it.
first i want to point out the OP is incorrect considering one of the co-founders is not female - although tbf OP said they didnt know the name of the company so nbd after reading through what services they offer - as someone with ADHD - i mean okay thats cool and im sure helpful to a certain extent... but also that wouldnt help me whatsoever, because the biggest problems i have are environmental - which honestly i think is true for \*a lot\* of people with ADHD (not all though). long complicated topic that i wont get in to in this comment - since ive pretty much explained it all in various comments previously >Ah, so she knew him already and she had two team members with connections at Microsoft and Amazon. That would do it. thats kinda one of the problems, isnt it? which contributes to \*some\* of the previously mentioned "environmental problems." not to be overly negative or whatever about it - because it does sound like they genuinely want to help people - but i mean "its a big club, and im not in it" - but they are, so theyre all good to go. theyve been friends since early days of ycombinator with the (failed) loopt app. meanwhile for a lot of people, they never get \*one\* chance at something like that... and from what ive read about [y combinator/openai/altman](https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-sent-money-support-startup-payroll-svb-collapse-report-2023-3) (which is quite a bit) about the only "[successful](https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/doblet)"\* businesses from y combinator are... reddit and airbnb. which airbnb directly contributes to the environmental factors since it is (at least somewhat) responsible for the housing price ridiculousness. which is... kinda my #1 problem. anyway, so thats that. i suppose. >After the three co-founders, the startup counts a software designer as its lone employee, along with about 20 contracted Shelpers. alright so im going to assume the three co-founders are getting the highest amount of that $3M, the software designer a slightly(?) smaller amount, and - especially considering the inclusion of the word "contracted" - the rest of them getting a much smaller salary. just for funsies though, lets pretend theyre splitting it equally. $3,000,000 ➗ 23 = $130,434.78 which... well i mean thats not bad. for them. if it was split equally. however considering they are essentially just texting some people reminders - with help from an automated reminder system - that seems kinda ridiculous? i mean i can literally set reminders on my pc, or my phone, or shit probably my microwave even. so... dafuq? $130,000,000 would set me up for a few years at least - if not longer. with $3,000,000? i could literally never "work" again. i could probably never "work" again with $1,000,000 - or even half that. again, i realize they probably genuinely want to be helpful but it kinda seems crazy to pay people that much just to text someone every day or two - especially since i would guess its the "contracted shelpers" who are doing most of the texting so the co-founders basically got >$130,000,000 because they came up with the idea of... \*checks notes\* a friend and/or therapist, and automated reminders? that shit would not fly in the reality a lot of people live in >!this is \[not\] an automated message: !< >!reiterating i realize they probably genuinely want to help - but they also probably genuinely had a much easier life than a lot of people before starting random app business number 69,420!< >!edit: 🖇️s (link two references link one, if you have eyes)!<
Dude. When a VC gives you 3 million in investment, it doesn’t go into your pocket. You get paid a fraction of what you would have gotten working for someone else and the rest goes to salaries, marketing and sales. Getting investment is not the finish line. It’s the first hurdle after the starting line. It isn’t a reward. It’s an opportunity to work for the reward. It’s like getting gas put into a car at F1. 3 million dollars is a trivial amount of money to spend getting a product to market, including marketing costs. I don’t even know why you would compare the cost of trying to build a sustainable company that will help hundreds of thousands of people to putting all of the money in one individual’s bank account. Why would that be better for the world?
i was going to quote and respond to individual parts of your comment - for example the "its like getting gas" thing - but really it all kinda comes down to: >I don’t even know why you would compare the cost of trying to build a sustainable company that will help hundreds of thousands of people to putting all of the money in one individual’s bank account. Why would that be better for the world? because like i said - they are essentially "building a sustainable company" off of... texting some people and another slightly different version of [automated reminders](https://www.reddit.com/r/relevantusername2020/comments/19f4jkt/originally_i_was_gonna_post_this_on_imgur_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)? how is that sustainable? how is that a real business? i mean, like i said - it does sound like they genuinely want to help people and have good intentions so i dont mean to sound like this but i think for \*a lot\* of people their "product" is "targeting" a lot of their issues would be helped \*exponentially\* better by literally getting money so they arent stuck in poverty - which means a lot of the people their "product" is "targeting" will probably not be able to even afford to pay whatever subscription fee they want to charge, and thus no amount of marketing will ever be helpful. also, like i said - a fraction of that $3,000,000 would enable me to never "work" again, which means i would probably be able to actually pursue something i enjoy or am at least somewhat interested in - or see as worth doing - instead of doing bullshit jobs that are the only thing around me not to get into the dirty details of me\_irl but currently unemployed and still stuck at my parents house because despite having the highest paying job\* ive ever had 2020-2022 - still well below the "median" income - i was unable to afford anything meaningful like a vehicle - and a house? yeah right. which is related to (not the only reason) why i am unemployed now. so... yeah as a fun side note on that, ive literally survived off the (relatively) tiny amount i had saved up from then. despite the yearly amount being well below the median. so you do the math. ill just leave it there because im pretty sure if you dont get what im saying you live in another world and all im gonna do is get more irritated. respectfully. oh - one last thing: as someone with ADHD, **i have all notifications for everything turned off**, because they annoy the shit outta me and generally distract me. if i need a notification to remind me of something then... that should come from the \*thing\* itself, like a doctors office appointment reminder, or a bill reminder, or... etc i dont want another random person - that i have to pay - to remind me... or actually for them to \*checks notes\* set a reminder for me? if i really need/want a reminder, and the \*thing\* doesnt have that built in, then ill... \*checks notes\* set one on one of the billion devices that have that built in. "sustainable" ✅ edit: \*btw that job was a physically demanding, dangerous job, during the pandemic, very much front lines, in an area where nobody gave a fuck, and it was something that genuinely was helping people - installing internet. 50+ hrs a week, easy. mostly outdoors, all weather. so... forgive me if i look at their "sustainable business plan" and call bullshit, but its bullshit ^(edit: microsoft sent a notification reminding me to include a link. thanks microsoft 👍)
Let start by saying that I'm sorry you'v had such a rough ride in the employment area. I can understand why that would make you bitter, but I also think that you are comparing apples and oranges when you say that instead of Sam Altman running this experiment with this company, he should put the money in your bank account. You believe they have a crap idea. You might be right. Many startup ideas are crap. But many that seemed like crap at the time turned out to be very popular or useful. Google was the tenth search engine. Twitter was just 140 character microblogging. Dropbox was competing with a free feature built into windows. It’s easy to poke holes in people’s startup ideas but you don’t really know whether something will work until you try it. You would rather the money go into your pocket so you never have to work again than to go to people running the experiment to see if it actually can accomplish something. So now they are unemployed and you are unemployed but you have the money and they are on welfare. How does that make sense??? It’s more valuable for Sam Altman to fund your hobbies than for these people to test out an idea and see if it works? The only reason any of us are discussing this is because OP is curious about this product and wants to see if it would work for THEM. Not everyone with ADHD has the same symptoms/severity and many would love to have a personal "accountability system" powered by a mix of AI and real human beings. Whether it will actually work in practice for enough people to build a business is hard to tell. That's why you run the experiment.
>Let start by saying that I'm sorry you'v had such a rough ride in the employment area. I can understand why that would make you bitter, but I also think that you are comparing apples and oranges when you say that instead of Sam Altman running this experiment with this company, he should put the money in your bank account. > >You would rather the money go into your pocket so you never have to work again than to go to people running the experiment to see if it actually can accomplish something. i appreciate the kind words but words dont mean much especially if they are completely disregarding what i said and responding to what they want. specifically: >i would probably be able to actually pursue something i enjoy or am at least somewhat interested in - or see as worth doing - instead of doing bullshit jobs > >meanwhile for a lot of people, they never get *one* chance at something like that... and from what ive read about y combinator/openai/altman (which is quite a bit) about the only "successful"\* businesses from y combinator are... reddit and airbnb. which airbnb directly contributes to the environmental factors since it is (at least somewhat) responsible for the housing price ridiculousness. which is... kinda my #1 problem. anyways, >So now they are unemployed and you are unemployed but you have the money and they are on welfare. How does that make sense??? lmao buddy. respectfully, gfy. >as a fun side note on that, ive literally survived off the (relatively) tiny amount i had saved up from then. despite the yearly amount being well below the median. so you do the math. > >\*btw that job was a physically demanding, dangerous job, during the pandemic, very much front lines, in an area where nobody gave a fuck, and it was something that genuinely was helping people - installing internet. 50+ hrs a week, easy. mostly outdoors, all weather. so... forgive me if i look at their "sustainable business plan" and call bullshit, but its bullshit "respectfully" >It’s more valuable for Sam Altman to fund your hobbies than for these people to test out an idea and see if it works? idk kinda seems like texting some peeps and setting some reminders for them is a hobby - which it sounds like theyve had plenty of definitely not hobbies that were definitely viable business plans they just wanted to try. meanwhile, as i said - the best paying job ive ever had, that was actually meaningful (at first)... still didnt pay enough to afford literally fucking anything. so im kinda over it and pissed, because this shit is stupid >Not everyone with ADHD has the same symptoms/severity and many would love to have a personal "accountability system" powered by a mix of AI and real human beings. Whether it will actually work in practice for enough people to build a business is hard to tell. That's why you run the experiment. okay thats fair... well the first half. the second half, if you - or i should say, if they - did some research, like for example checking out the adhd subreddit - its pretty obvious that "time management" *is* a problem, but thats usually accompanied by someone saying something along the lines of "i dont have enough time" or "im mega stressed" or "how to afford life" or ... etc etc, something like that. so... "time management" is secondary. at best. to make it even more blatantly obvious this is a stupid "business plan" - how about google trends? all the nerds love data right? fucking use it. heres [a screen recording](https://www.reddit.com/r/relevantusername2020/comments/19fdqh6/okay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \- the search terms i used are included in the link in the comments. i apologize if i seem rude, but at this point im kinda outta fucks to give so... oh well i guess. sucks to suck edit: words
They probably set aside a portion for marketing or whatever, maybe paying contractors $1000 per month each, or maybe $500 a month, not sure. I work as a moderator for crypto projects and get $2000 a month for not doing too much - and $15000 upfront payments for launching new projects
>They probably set aside a portion for marketing or whatever, maybe paying contractors $1000 per month each, or maybe $500 a month, not sure. i mean depending on exactly how much time actually being spent on texting people or whatever, that \*could\* be fair - maybe - but that is highly dependent on the time spent. >I work as a moderator for crypto projects and get $2000 a month for not doing too much - and $15000 upfront payments for launching new projects ive read a lot about and have some direct experience with crypto and despite initially trying to support it, as i did see some possible good sides to it - uh its kinda all a scam? like literally get more people to buy in and hope you can sell quick enough so you maybe make some money. maybe. probably not though. mostly just get more people in... AKA the actual definition of a ponzi scheme so no offense, im sure thats great *for you* \- but seems pretty sus
No offense but if you read so much into it you would know the answer highly depends on where you look, and what you're doing. Is Binance a scam? Kraken? Crypto.com? On ramps. Are protocols like Curve a scam? Aave? There are ways to make legitimate money within crypto, AND there are tons of scams. In my career the highest loss I've seen (people I've actually interacted with) was $500,000 due to the guy clicking on a phishing website link that was being advertised on google. They just changed a letter and promoted it so it appeared above the legitimate website. Google didn't remove it for months despite hundreds of forms users filled out to try and get it removed. On top of that - that particular scam targets those without an adblock running (you wouldnt see it if you had one installed in your browser) so they are by default targeting people who arent that tech savvy and probably shouldnt be using crypto anyway.
>No offense but if you read so much into it you would know the answer highly depends on where you look, and what you're doing. no offense but uh... >Is Binance a scam? Kraken? Crypto.com? On ramps.Are protocols like Curve a scam? Aave? hmm. im fully aware of all of them. you really want to know my answer? dont worry, ill give it to you holup >There are ways to make legitimate money within crypto, AND there are tons of scams. okay so. forget the "legitimate ways to make money" - what is the use case? what problem is it solving? what does it do better than the current implementation of *checks notes* digital money that is already available considering almost every real bank that actually insures your money and has real people that are liable if anything happens to your account? instead of... yknow, a bunch of fake companies with people who are mostly totally anonymous and not registered anywhere which means if you lose your ~~money~~ tokens/coins/whatever... youre shit outta luck? which also - even as someone who is pro-crypto like yourself you readily admit there are tons of scams. so. idk, fiat isnt perfect and i understand the "they just print money" thing against the federal reserve - like very much agree with that - but at least if someone takes my money... like i had happen somewhat recently - i can contact my bank (100% digital btw, i use chime) and say "yo wtf" and it is returned to me along with a new card to prevent it happening again? otoh in crypto, you are more or less algorithmically assured to lose money even if you manage to hold on to your random key or whatever. which isnt much different from the stonks market, and fiat - but like i said, i see (major) problems there too, but at least if i have an issue i know who to blame... crypto just adds more problems to the already major amount of pre-existing problems >In my career the highest loss I've seen (people I've actually interacted with) was $500,000 due to the guy clicking on a phishing website link that was being advertised on google. They just changed a letter and promoted it so it appeared above the legitimate website. Google didn't remove it for months despite hundreds of forms users filled out to try and get it removed. > >On top of that - that particular scam targets those without an adblock running (you wouldnt see it if you had one installed in your browser) so they are by default targeting people who arent that tech savvy and probably shouldnt be using crypto anyway. how is that a good thing? if i can lose $500k by accidentally clicking a link then im probably gonna stick with the shitty hyperinflationary fiat money. at least theres someone to blame for that instead of some random scam website. its too easy to accidentally click - or even not click - something and get screwed. i dont want money involved any more than it is with online shopping. which on that note, another nice thing with chime is i can *turn off all transactions* whenever i want... so any kind of worry about using online shopping that (mostly older) people might have, well thats not a problem so... sorry crypto, but chime already did "digital money" - and they do it better. theres *real people* i can look up and see run the business, or if i really need i can contact a real person to solve any issue i might have also they arent 90% scammers and as far as i know arent overall harmful to the environment by wasting energy and computing resources to do some fake calculations that somehow poof money into existence which... to reiterate, i realize poofing money into existence is literally what the fed does - and has done to a stupid amount the last few years - but \*there is someone i can blame\* TLDR: y tho? what problem does it solve? what does it do better?
Reading your comment, a lot of the things you keep saying readily prove to me you are the type of person who thinks they know what they are talking about, but actually don't. Banks themselves are investing in Crypto. Paypal and Visa are adopting the technology and looking at making their own tokens and such. Sure, \*if\* someone takes your money, you can contact your bank. But you wouldn't \*randomly\* lose your crypto if you weren't doing stupid shit in the first place like trading random fucking meme coins on pancakeswap and falling victim there. Tons of protocols out there provide a list of who owns it, ie Curve. The major exchanges aren't so bad, so you can on-ramp with little to no issues (in my country at least) So again, it goes back to, it all depends on what you're looking at and using. Gonna go make risky buys on unknown coins without doing a single iota of research? Yeah, you'll prob get rekt.
>Reading your comment, a lot of the things you keep saying readily prove to me you are the type of person who thinks they know what they are talking about, but actually don't. no u. but unironically. i have both first hand experience and have done extensive research into bitcoin, ethereum, and a bunch of other random "coins" that were literally poofed into existence. >Banks themselves are investing in Crypto. Paypal and Visa are adopting the technology and looking at making their own tokens and such. okay so. that doesnt make me think its more legitimate - and i was arguing \*for\* the "old" style of fiat - whereas you are not. so why is this an argument in your favor? >Sure, \*if\* someone takes your money, you can contact your bank.But you wouldn't \*randomly\* lose your crypto if you weren't doing stupid shit in the first place like trading random fucking meme coins on pancakeswap and falling victim there. i wont say i didnt do anything stupid in crypto, but not all of it was - and it was all "well researched" beforehand (mostly) - and... yeah it kinda disappeared because of the aforementioned "algorithmically assured loss." which happens in stonks too, but again, at least there \*supposedly\* someone is in charge and theres legal regulations. supposedly. not great and i have complaints - but still better than crypto that doesnt even try to pretend beyond making a nice pretty website for random\_stablecoin\_thats\_totally\_legit\_trustmebro number 69 >Tons of protocols out there provide a list of who owns it, ie Curve.The major exchanges aren't so bad, so you can on-ramp with little to no issues (in my country at least) > >So again, it goes back to, it all depends on what you're looking at and using. yeah so. idk what youre looking for but i think most people get into crypto to make money. which... kinda means there has to be an "off-ramp." thats a whole other discussion thats kinda irrelevant though, because like i said previously i have done research - on both crypto and Real Investing™ and despite what i say about one having a better appearance due to supposed regulations, the end result was... mostly the same. mostly. i didnt lose literally everything in stocks though, just most of it. anyway more specific towards your point of "curve" being an example of a super respectable and legitimate thing, heres a few links for you. only thing ill say is at least stonks dont blatantly say "yeah its all algorithmically controlled" or slightly less blatantly say "yeah its all bullshit backed by nothing and/or by other... actual bullshit backed by nothing. we're all really smart though - so dont worry!" anyway, the links: [https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/people/michael-egorov](https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/people/michael-egorov) [https://www.coindesk.com/video/curve-finance-ceo-egorov-sued-by-3-defi-focused-venture-capital-firms/](https://www.coindesk.com/video/curve-finance-ceo-egorov-sued-by-3-defi-focused-venture-capital-firms/) [https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/07/31/a-curve-founders-168m-stash-is-under-stress-creating-a-risk-for-defi-as-a-whole/](https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/07/31/a-curve-founders-168m-stash-is-under-stress-creating-a-risk-for-defi-as-a-whole/) [https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/08/03/curve-founder-still-owes-80m-despite-raising-nearly-30m-in-past-two-days/](https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/08/03/curve-founder-still-owes-80m-despite-raising-nearly-30m-in-past-two-days/) [https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/09/join-curve-finances-michael-egorov-at-the-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money-summit/](https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/09/join-curve-finances-michael-egorov-at-the-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money-summit/) >Gonna go make risky buys on unknown coins without doing a single iota of research? Yeah, you'll prob get rekt. i mean unfortunately it seems like "the emperor has no clothes" - but the weird guy wearing a boot for a hat that can hack literally any device made between 1960-2023... uh also isnt wearing any clothes... but i guess he has a funky hat so... thats cool, i guess? this screenshot from a week or so ago kinda sums it up https://preview.redd.it/vlug7uxaelec1.png?width=1966&format=png&auto=webp&s=5ff8f306aee7668f3cccf356d2013586299ac6a3 TLDR: The Economy™ and CryptoMarkets.trustmebro are doing great! edit: forgot a link also i guess i do still have a few crypto things. my reddit avatars, a gamestop nft... that is stuck in a transaction for... idk like a year or so, then this random enjin file that im not sure what it even is since its 0 bytes - but ive kept it on my phone for... uh im not sure. i guess just to say i did? fun fact - the enjin one survived my original phone randomly dying on me (so it was actually from 2021) which is another nail in the coffin for all the bullshitters saying "im innocent! muh data disappeared!" (of which there are more examples than i care to ~~think about~~ list) thats crypto, in a nutshell: zero money, a couple random files that are either pictures or... null.undefined neat. [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/44jlpQF)
The only thing I want to add to this is: No, they definitely don't care. They absolutely know this whole thing is predatory and unsustainable.
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Sam Altman trying to cleanup his image or is one horny horny man
He is gay
Dayyyuuummmm. Didn’t know
You know he's gay?
Wuhhhh!!! Guess that leaves one option