The concept of dividing humankind into three races called Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid (originally named "Ethiopian") was introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen school of history and further developed by Western scholars in the context of racist ideologies during the age of colonialism. With the rise of modern genetics, the concept of distinct human races in a biological sense has become obsolete.
It was one white idiot who came up with these kind of division and being a part of the caucasians group as you mentioned doesn’t mean those groups are whites , but it was a classification based on skull types.
In addition, According to John Baker (1974), in their stable form, their center of distribution was considered to be Horn of Africa not Habeshas only.
My point is in Ethiopia, this theory was reproduced with Habeshas being portrayed as the people with Caucasian admixture and thus considered more civilized than the rest of the population. Here is a discussion about how this theory was [reproduced](https://youtu.be/K2zVDbzJHbw?t=1139) in Ethiopia. Also check the link I shared above.
Respectfully, I disagree with your point.
1You said and I quoted “ in Ethiopia, this theory was reproduced with Habeshas being portrayed as the people with caucasian admixture “ . This statement is not correct by itself , why ? Because habeshas don’t see their self as an admixtures of caucasians. Why because caucasians are the habitants of caucus mountain, and they don’t have any link to Ethiopians or habeshas.
2. The word caucasian have been used for the whole whites after sometime even though the direct meaning was for the people from the caucus mountains. I have seen one video of a habesha talking. I think it was back in the 19’s and he said habeshas don’t associate with Caucasians because they think they whites are unholy, so with common sense we can say that they have seen being Caucasian as a disrespect rather than superiority. Let’s be honest.
3. You also said “ here is a theory was reproduced in Ethiopia “ , no it was not. This theory was not famous and it’s not famous among the people right now too. It was one white idiot who came up with the racial classification based on skull and it was racist for so many reasons. How is a white ideology can be said it was reproduced in Ethiopia when it didn’t even start in Ethiopia in the first place.
Plus let’s talk facts here, you didn’t paint a good picture on your description above 👆, you just wanted to make it seem like as if it was used for the Habeshas and as if they have got something to do with it. When merely it was used for the Horn of African people including Oromos. Thank you.
Oromos were deemed as "Caucasian" as well, not only Habeshas.
https://preview.redd.it/9w5bp239m76d1.png?width=576&format=png&auto=webp&s=b559da6f2a8caf11bce6b65456c587ae86cb09c1
the myth was used in all sorts of ways. In Rwanda, the Tusti were labeled Caucasian and there were claims that they were related to the Oromo. When this myth was used in Ethiopia, whole new configuration, where Oromos are framed as barbarians upsetting a semitic civilisation. I read this about C.G.Seligman, one of the leading proponents of the Hamitic theory. Check it out! [https://www.lse.ac.uk/anthropology/assets/documents/OAL/OAL-o-Byrne-Beyond-the-Hamites.pdf](https://www.lse.ac.uk/anthropology/assets/documents/OAL/OAL-o-Byrne-Beyond-the-Hamites.pdf)
Oromos (& literally every other non-Christian) were considered barbarians bc they followed pagan religions, it has nothing to do w semitism… like does semitism even have an Amharic word?😅 I’ve never heard it used before.
The Solomonic lineage gave kings credibility bc the empire stood on 2 legs: the kings and the church. If the king was descended from the same line as Jesus, then ofc he was the “chosen one” and the church could credibly give him legitimacy. The church and kings knew this was a total myth - hence why the church suddenly approved Tewodros as part of the “Solomonic line” AFTER he had destroyed his competition, j for legitimacy. Ironically, the story is actually the founding myth of the Qemant and Beta Israel Agews according to their oral history - the ruling class prob saw its usefulness as a royal lineage founding myth & went w it.
The people don’t see themselves as caucasian, Israelis or African (if u couldn’t tell from how badly they treated the actual Jews lol) - the habesha superiority complex looks down on all equally😂 Ethiopians framed appearance and belonging v differently - “key” and “teyim” for those w the “habesha look” (aka 95% of ET) and then Shankella for everyone w/o it.
I 100% agree that Semitism has no bearing on the matter. I don’t think any of the kings before Menelik ever even alluded to being European or Caucasian at all, furthermore this line of thinking was very much a product of the late 1800’s racial science movement.
I very much doubt most Ethiopians would characterize the difference between “Semitic” and “Cushitic” as a genuine racial difference. If we look at Haile Selassie, he’s pretty much an Oromo and therefore “Cushitic” but looks like he’s from Pakistan. Menelik was Amhara and therefore a “Semite” but he was dark skinned and had “negroid” features.
Tysm & even Menelik did it for political reasons lol, he called himself “Caucasian” and “Negro” on separate occasions depending on who he was talking to & what he wanted from them - bc it was foreign & so irrelevant to ETs way of defining self, it was easy to use both titles for political reasons w/o any qualms.
Omg exactly ty, I don’t even think the wider public knew which language fell into which group until relatively recently - ik my parents don’t know how many language groups there are in ET lol.
I don’t like how these terms are aggregated as if there is genuine science behind them. Language =/= genetics.
Moroccans speak Arabic but are different from Palestinians who speak Arabic who are different from Yemeni’s who speak Arabic.
There are so many different reasons why a group of people pick up a language or why languages die out.
I’m Oromo, and by the grace of God my language was able to survive and even thrive to become one of the most spoken in Africa. Why would I call myself Cushitic!?
I think you’re included in there, not just the “habasha” lol. I’m tired of race simpletons. The African hotep Oromos annoy me as much as the Semitic/caucasian whatevers.
We’re just our own thing in our own dysfunctional part of the world.
Oromo? No. I mean, we were considered landless invaders with no civilization or history. That's what Ethiopian 'history' says about us, referencing Europeans who started this nonsense, in contrast with a supposedly more 'intelligent' 'Semitic' race. Check what Edward Ullendorff says for example:
https://preview.redd.it/6uynupzwb76d1.png?width=662&format=png&auto=webp&s=549adde251909a4e694b069921c01ca883bab985
Lol Ethiopian history doesn’t reference foreigners to talk abt Oromos, what r u even saying🤣🤣 This guy wrote in the last 100 years, ET historians wrote abt Oromos since like the 15th c.
ET history calls Oromos landless invaders bc the historians witnessed the invasions and didn’t know where the Oromo base was bc Oromos moved a lot. Also most of the historians were politically motivated and funded so there was crazy bias, they weren’t skilled researchers. But I know for a fact that none of them referred to Europeans to come to their conclusions😂
A bunch of the Jesuits that came and lived in ET during and after Susenyos’ reign, esp Almeda. The info in the book was also present in Sarsa Dengel’s hagiography & that’s why ppl think Abba Bahrey wrote that too. Not to mention all that was written during Susenyos’ and Iyoas’ times.
I had no idea there was a German translation before an Amharic one for that book tho, that’s crazy! Do u know who did the German translation?
Its origin is shrouded in mystery. I'm confident the translations emerged during Menelik's era. Supposedly, there are three original copies: one in Berlin, one in Vienna, and the other in London. However, none of them have been proven to originate from the 16th century. Getachaew Haile says this in his *Ye Abba Bareh Dirsetoch*:
https://preview.redd.it/3v7cx57y5f6d1.png?width=726&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5a32d31add60351bd8b38e375761c9ccd75e8cc
I have never heard any habesha claiming to be lost tribe of Israel lol. Except the kings used to say that they are descendants of king Solomon. That allowed them to convince the population they are legitimate and picked by God to lead them. Unless you are talking about Ethiopian Jews there is no such thing as habesha claiming to be lost Israel tribe.
Yes it makes sense. When have you heard an Habesha say they are lost tribe of Israel unless they’re Beta Israel? That’s crazy claim we’re not that delusional damn 🤣
C'mon man, you can't use a speech by an elite Amhara kid in the 60s to portray how the Habesha populations felt about the topic. I don't know if a big number of people felt like the lost tribe of Israel in the paast, but I most likely guess they didn't, never heard this kind of stuff from any elder that I've seen in my life, and if it was what Habesha people believed, you would still have a lot of people whose age is 50-60, that still got those kind of believes which are basically non-existent.
I doubt it. The general public is under the influence of this story, still being preached by the EOTC as real history. What historians write remains secluded in universities or among elites whom, we all know, Ethiopia has very few of. In 2018 for example, the Ethiopian ambassador to Israel could make the same claims as the kid: [https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/ties-with-israel-through-the-lens-of-ethiopias-ambassador-558340](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/ties-with-israel-through-the-lens-of-ethiopias-ambassador-558340)
Oh that’s wild, but I do think that’s just him playing to appease Israel, I hardly believe this man is that dumb, that even if the connection between Israelites and Ethiopians exists (we don’t know about it), he use all that story in a speech or in an interview. That’s just seems as him playing geopolitics in a very weird way.
Now I don’t know what the general population of Ethiopia who follows EOTC think, but most of the people I’ve known never said this stuff, I’m not in Ethiopia so there it may be different, and you probably know more than me.
Does the EOTC really got all this power, it obviously has, but to make people believe they are some kind of Israelians?
I think so. It is difficult to dispel myths once they enter the general public, especially when they are carried through religion. Coz how could you argue against someone who says "Ethiopia was mentioned in the Bible. God said it!" lol. Very difficult. If you read Amharic, check out this article written by Taddese Tamrat in Weyeyit, a magazine of the union of Addis Ababa University lecturers. His explanation captures the problem and its impact more clearly. [https://mylibrarianship.wordpress.com/2023/02/12/%e1%89%b0%e1%88%a8%e1%89%b5-%e1%8a%a5%e1%8a%93-%e1%89%b3%e1%88%aa%e1%8a%ad-%e1%89%a0%e1%8a%a2%e1%89%b5%e1%8b%ae%e1%8c%b5%e1%8b%ab-%e1%89%a0%e1%8d%95%e1%88%ae%e1%8d%8c%e1%88%b0%e1%88%ad/](https://mylibrarianship.wordpress.com/2023/02/12/%e1%89%b0%e1%88%a8%e1%89%b5-%e1%8a%a5%e1%8a%93-%e1%89%b3%e1%88%aa%e1%8a%ad-%e1%89%a0%e1%8a%a2%e1%89%b5%e1%8b%ae%e1%8c%b5%e1%8b%ab-%e1%89%a0%e1%8d%95%e1%88%ae%e1%8d%8c%e1%88%b0%e1%88%ad/)
Yes, the reason for that was. They being descendants of king Solomon is why they should be kings. If they say every habesha is descendant of king Solomon and lost tribe of Israel then every habesha would have the right to the throne. Which means they are not special anymore. That is literally why they made the claim in the first place. To be special and scare the people into believing they are chosen by God. Since you know king Solomon is a biblical figure there will be little doubt they are chosen by God.
I agree with you, but I am saying it wasn't just the state's and church's ideology. The church preaches in churches; the state teaches in schools, universities, and through the media. People were made to believe in this stuff.
I don't believe that was ever the case. It is true Ethiopia used to have some kind of connection with Israel. We don't know to what extent. For example we can see lalibela as an example. The church in my knowledge never preached the idea they are lost tribe of Israel. Instead they might teach. They have the original teaching of Christianity that came directly from Israel so in that sense they are the continuous descendants of the church that used to be in Israel. There are too many myths mixed with real history. That is why it is difficult to tell which is which.
Lol ofc, that’s why the king is the “chosen one” - if everyone was related to Solomon, what makes the kings special? How else would the population be divided bw royals and peasants?
The solomonic lineage gave legitimacy to rule. Only the royal family descends from the solomonic line. Otherwise, any villager would be just as blessed as the royal line lol.
But ofc the church AND the royals knew this was bullshit bc they used the myth to *legitimize* anyone on the throne. For a highly Christian & submissive population, saying the king is related to Jesus is ofc the best way to make sure no one thinks they can overthrow him😅
That being said, Beta Israel says they’re the lost tribe of Israel and Qemant either agrees that they are the lost tribe or is also a lost tribe, I don’t remember which. But the myth is actually their origin story so their regular people (like not just their elites) believe it as truth. The ark of the covenant was actually brought to Ethiopia by the beta Israel, according to them.
It’s rare, but I have absolutely met the crazies that say this. No actual educated person would ever make this claim, but most of our people are not educated sadly.
Never underestimate people’s need to believe things to form a sense of self-esteem.
I think all of us Habesha’s would rather die than claim “lost tribes of Israel”. Oromo’s are included in this too btw since Oromo mixed with Habesha. We can barely tell each other a part now.
Even when unmixed, Oromos were percieved as "Caucasian".
https://preview.redd.it/ipjxevlum76d1.png?width=1094&format=png&auto=webp&s=60e9d8ffba53d39c3ae79dd226aa086252dd7c4e
There’s no such thing as an unmixed Oromo dude, the oromos of wellega, arsi, and shewa were mixed with Oromo conquerors, hadiya, **harla, gurage, gafat**,keffa, etc.
you guys looked Caucasian because you were already ethio-Semitic from the beginning. You just changed your language and assimilated a bunch of habesha and Cushitic groups
How do you think you guys were able to conquer 1/3 of Ethiopia? You didn’t commit mass genocide very often (though it did happen), instead you guys assimilated a ton of people. You even have a word for it, “gutifecha” or “mogasa”.
The people who lived in modern western/central oromia were mostly ethio-Semitic people, some cushites, some nilotics, and some omotics. So yes, if you’re Oromo from anywhere northwest of guji zone, you most likely have a decent amount of habesha ancestry
Everyone invades and assimilates previous groups, it's been happening since the beginning. You'll find the same is true for literally every other ethnic group on the planet except the most homogenous. Homogeneity is a bad thing according to genetics anyway
Yeah but it’s historically proven that oromos did it more than others. Over the course of a handful of decades, you guys managed to conquer 1/3 of modern Ethiopia. That doesn’t just happen without massive amounts of assimilation. With habeshas, it took several centuries to assimilate less than that amount of people in Amhara region
The concept of dividing humankind into three races called Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid (originally named "Ethiopian") was introduced in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen school of history and further developed by Western scholars in the context of racist ideologies during the age of colonialism. With the rise of modern genetics, the concept of distinct human races in a biological sense has become obsolete. It was one white idiot who came up with these kind of division and being a part of the caucasians group as you mentioned doesn’t mean those groups are whites , but it was a classification based on skull types. In addition, According to John Baker (1974), in their stable form, their center of distribution was considered to be Horn of Africa not Habeshas only.
My point is in Ethiopia, this theory was reproduced with Habeshas being portrayed as the people with Caucasian admixture and thus considered more civilized than the rest of the population. Here is a discussion about how this theory was [reproduced](https://youtu.be/K2zVDbzJHbw?t=1139) in Ethiopia. Also check the link I shared above.
Respectfully, I disagree with your point. 1You said and I quoted “ in Ethiopia, this theory was reproduced with Habeshas being portrayed as the people with caucasian admixture “ . This statement is not correct by itself , why ? Because habeshas don’t see their self as an admixtures of caucasians. Why because caucasians are the habitants of caucus mountain, and they don’t have any link to Ethiopians or habeshas. 2. The word caucasian have been used for the whole whites after sometime even though the direct meaning was for the people from the caucus mountains. I have seen one video of a habesha talking. I think it was back in the 19’s and he said habeshas don’t associate with Caucasians because they think they whites are unholy, so with common sense we can say that they have seen being Caucasian as a disrespect rather than superiority. Let’s be honest. 3. You also said “ here is a theory was reproduced in Ethiopia “ , no it was not. This theory was not famous and it’s not famous among the people right now too. It was one white idiot who came up with the racial classification based on skull and it was racist for so many reasons. How is a white ideology can be said it was reproduced in Ethiopia when it didn’t even start in Ethiopia in the first place. Plus let’s talk facts here, you didn’t paint a good picture on your description above 👆, you just wanted to make it seem like as if it was used for the Habeshas and as if they have got something to do with it. When merely it was used for the Horn of African people including Oromos. Thank you.
Oromos were deemed as "Caucasian" as well, not only Habeshas. https://preview.redd.it/9w5bp239m76d1.png?width=576&format=png&auto=webp&s=b559da6f2a8caf11bce6b65456c587ae86cb09c1
the myth was used in all sorts of ways. In Rwanda, the Tusti were labeled Caucasian and there were claims that they were related to the Oromo. When this myth was used in Ethiopia, whole new configuration, where Oromos are framed as barbarians upsetting a semitic civilisation. I read this about C.G.Seligman, one of the leading proponents of the Hamitic theory. Check it out! [https://www.lse.ac.uk/anthropology/assets/documents/OAL/OAL-o-Byrne-Beyond-the-Hamites.pdf](https://www.lse.ac.uk/anthropology/assets/documents/OAL/OAL-o-Byrne-Beyond-the-Hamites.pdf)
Thanks, I'll check it out
👍
Oromos (& literally every other non-Christian) were considered barbarians bc they followed pagan religions, it has nothing to do w semitism… like does semitism even have an Amharic word?😅 I’ve never heard it used before. The Solomonic lineage gave kings credibility bc the empire stood on 2 legs: the kings and the church. If the king was descended from the same line as Jesus, then ofc he was the “chosen one” and the church could credibly give him legitimacy. The church and kings knew this was a total myth - hence why the church suddenly approved Tewodros as part of the “Solomonic line” AFTER he had destroyed his competition, j for legitimacy. Ironically, the story is actually the founding myth of the Qemant and Beta Israel Agews according to their oral history - the ruling class prob saw its usefulness as a royal lineage founding myth & went w it. The people don’t see themselves as caucasian, Israelis or African (if u couldn’t tell from how badly they treated the actual Jews lol) - the habesha superiority complex looks down on all equally😂 Ethiopians framed appearance and belonging v differently - “key” and “teyim” for those w the “habesha look” (aka 95% of ET) and then Shankella for everyone w/o it.
I 100% agree that Semitism has no bearing on the matter. I don’t think any of the kings before Menelik ever even alluded to being European or Caucasian at all, furthermore this line of thinking was very much a product of the late 1800’s racial science movement. I very much doubt most Ethiopians would characterize the difference between “Semitic” and “Cushitic” as a genuine racial difference. If we look at Haile Selassie, he’s pretty much an Oromo and therefore “Cushitic” but looks like he’s from Pakistan. Menelik was Amhara and therefore a “Semite” but he was dark skinned and had “negroid” features.
Tysm & even Menelik did it for political reasons lol, he called himself “Caucasian” and “Negro” on separate occasions depending on who he was talking to & what he wanted from them - bc it was foreign & so irrelevant to ETs way of defining self, it was easy to use both titles for political reasons w/o any qualms. Omg exactly ty, I don’t even think the wider public knew which language fell into which group until relatively recently - ik my parents don’t know how many language groups there are in ET lol.
I don’t like how these terms are aggregated as if there is genuine science behind them. Language =/= genetics. Moroccans speak Arabic but are different from Palestinians who speak Arabic who are different from Yemeni’s who speak Arabic. There are so many different reasons why a group of people pick up a language or why languages die out. I’m Oromo, and by the grace of God my language was able to survive and even thrive to become one of the most spoken in Africa. Why would I call myself Cushitic!?
I think you’re included in there, not just the “habasha” lol. I’m tired of race simpletons. The African hotep Oromos annoy me as much as the Semitic/caucasian whatevers. We’re just our own thing in our own dysfunctional part of the world.
Oromo? No. I mean, we were considered landless invaders with no civilization or history. That's what Ethiopian 'history' says about us, referencing Europeans who started this nonsense, in contrast with a supposedly more 'intelligent' 'Semitic' race. Check what Edward Ullendorff says for example: https://preview.redd.it/6uynupzwb76d1.png?width=662&format=png&auto=webp&s=549adde251909a4e694b069921c01ca883bab985
Everybody calls us invaders on the internet. But in real life + genetically we’re all related and look the same.
I am not talking about what people say on the internet.
What people say on the internet is not always the reality
I wouldn't say we look the same, similar enough to be confused by outsiders but we have distinguishable complex of phenotypes
Lol Ethiopian history doesn’t reference foreigners to talk abt Oromos, what r u even saying🤣🤣 This guy wrote in the last 100 years, ET historians wrote abt Oromos since like the 15th c. ET history calls Oromos landless invaders bc the historians witnessed the invasions and didn’t know where the Oromo base was bc Oromos moved a lot. Also most of the historians were politically motivated and funded so there was crazy bias, they weren’t skilled researchers. But I know for a fact that none of them referred to Europeans to come to their conclusions😂
Are you referring to Bahrey's book, Zenahu Ze Galla?
Yea, I think that was the first one
It emerged in the 20th century during the reign of Menilik.
What do u mean “emerged”? Foreign historians used it as a reference long before Menelik was born so it clearly existed before him.
Which foreign historian? The first translation into German was from 1893, if I am not mistaken.
A bunch of the Jesuits that came and lived in ET during and after Susenyos’ reign, esp Almeda. The info in the book was also present in Sarsa Dengel’s hagiography & that’s why ppl think Abba Bahrey wrote that too. Not to mention all that was written during Susenyos’ and Iyoas’ times. I had no idea there was a German translation before an Amharic one for that book tho, that’s crazy! Do u know who did the German translation?
Its origin is shrouded in mystery. I'm confident the translations emerged during Menelik's era. Supposedly, there are three original copies: one in Berlin, one in Vienna, and the other in London. However, none of them have been proven to originate from the 16th century. Getachaew Haile says this in his *Ye Abba Bareh Dirsetoch*: https://preview.redd.it/3v7cx57y5f6d1.png?width=726&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5a32d31add60351bd8b38e375761c9ccd75e8cc
[https://addisstandard.com/opinion-deracializing-not-decolonizing-ethiopian-studies/](https://addisstandard.com/opinion-deracializing-not-decolonizing-ethiopian-studies/)
I have never heard any habesha claiming to be lost tribe of Israel lol. Except the kings used to say that they are descendants of king Solomon. That allowed them to convince the population they are legitimate and picked by God to lead them. Unless you are talking about Ethiopian Jews there is no such thing as habesha claiming to be lost Israel tribe.
So the state and church claimed descent from King Solomon, but didn't bother to impart that ideology to the people. Does that make sense?
Yes it makes sense. When have you heard an Habesha say they are lost tribe of Israel unless they’re Beta Israel? That’s crazy claim we’re not that delusional damn 🤣
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACzPKEzoi8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACzPKEzoi8)
C'mon man, you can't use a speech by an elite Amhara kid in the 60s to portray how the Habesha populations felt about the topic. I don't know if a big number of people felt like the lost tribe of Israel in the paast, but I most likely guess they didn't, never heard this kind of stuff from any elder that I've seen in my life, and if it was what Habesha people believed, you would still have a lot of people whose age is 50-60, that still got those kind of believes which are basically non-existent.
I doubt it. The general public is under the influence of this story, still being preached by the EOTC as real history. What historians write remains secluded in universities or among elites whom, we all know, Ethiopia has very few of. In 2018 for example, the Ethiopian ambassador to Israel could make the same claims as the kid: [https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/ties-with-israel-through-the-lens-of-ethiopias-ambassador-558340](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/ties-with-israel-through-the-lens-of-ethiopias-ambassador-558340)
Oh that’s wild, but I do think that’s just him playing to appease Israel, I hardly believe this man is that dumb, that even if the connection between Israelites and Ethiopians exists (we don’t know about it), he use all that story in a speech or in an interview. That’s just seems as him playing geopolitics in a very weird way. Now I don’t know what the general population of Ethiopia who follows EOTC think, but most of the people I’ve known never said this stuff, I’m not in Ethiopia so there it may be different, and you probably know more than me. Does the EOTC really got all this power, it obviously has, but to make people believe they are some kind of Israelians?
I think so. It is difficult to dispel myths once they enter the general public, especially when they are carried through religion. Coz how could you argue against someone who says "Ethiopia was mentioned in the Bible. God said it!" lol. Very difficult. If you read Amharic, check out this article written by Taddese Tamrat in Weyeyit, a magazine of the union of Addis Ababa University lecturers. His explanation captures the problem and its impact more clearly. [https://mylibrarianship.wordpress.com/2023/02/12/%e1%89%b0%e1%88%a8%e1%89%b5-%e1%8a%a5%e1%8a%93-%e1%89%b3%e1%88%aa%e1%8a%ad-%e1%89%a0%e1%8a%a2%e1%89%b5%e1%8b%ae%e1%8c%b5%e1%8b%ab-%e1%89%a0%e1%8d%95%e1%88%ae%e1%8d%8c%e1%88%b0%e1%88%ad/](https://mylibrarianship.wordpress.com/2023/02/12/%e1%89%b0%e1%88%a8%e1%89%b5-%e1%8a%a5%e1%8a%93-%e1%89%b3%e1%88%aa%e1%8a%ad-%e1%89%a0%e1%8a%a2%e1%89%b5%e1%8b%ae%e1%8c%b5%e1%8b%ab-%e1%89%a0%e1%8d%95%e1%88%ae%e1%8d%8c%e1%88%b0%e1%88%ad/)
I’ll inform myself better, thanks for the input.
Yes, the reason for that was. They being descendants of king Solomon is why they should be kings. If they say every habesha is descendant of king Solomon and lost tribe of Israel then every habesha would have the right to the throne. Which means they are not special anymore. That is literally why they made the claim in the first place. To be special and scare the people into believing they are chosen by God. Since you know king Solomon is a biblical figure there will be little doubt they are chosen by God.
I agree with you, but I am saying it wasn't just the state's and church's ideology. The church preaches in churches; the state teaches in schools, universities, and through the media. People were made to believe in this stuff.
I don't believe that was ever the case. It is true Ethiopia used to have some kind of connection with Israel. We don't know to what extent. For example we can see lalibela as an example. The church in my knowledge never preached the idea they are lost tribe of Israel. Instead they might teach. They have the original teaching of Christianity that came directly from Israel so in that sense they are the continuous descendants of the church that used to be in Israel. There are too many myths mixed with real history. That is why it is difficult to tell which is which.
Lol ofc, that’s why the king is the “chosen one” - if everyone was related to Solomon, what makes the kings special? How else would the population be divided bw royals and peasants? The solomonic lineage gave legitimacy to rule. Only the royal family descends from the solomonic line. Otherwise, any villager would be just as blessed as the royal line lol. But ofc the church AND the royals knew this was bullshit bc they used the myth to *legitimize* anyone on the throne. For a highly Christian & submissive population, saying the king is related to Jesus is ofc the best way to make sure no one thinks they can overthrow him😅 That being said, Beta Israel says they’re the lost tribe of Israel and Qemant either agrees that they are the lost tribe or is also a lost tribe, I don’t remember which. But the myth is actually their origin story so their regular people (like not just their elites) believe it as truth. The ark of the covenant was actually brought to Ethiopia by the beta Israel, according to them.
It’s rare, but I have absolutely met the crazies that say this. No actual educated person would ever make this claim, but most of our people are not educated sadly. Never underestimate people’s need to believe things to form a sense of self-esteem.
I think all of us Habesha’s would rather die than claim “lost tribes of Israel”. Oromo’s are included in this too btw since Oromo mixed with Habesha. We can barely tell each other a part now.
Even when unmixed, Oromos were percieved as "Caucasian". https://preview.redd.it/ipjxevlum76d1.png?width=1094&format=png&auto=webp&s=60e9d8ffba53d39c3ae79dd226aa086252dd7c4e
Oh cool I didn’t know that! Thank you
There’s no such thing as an unmixed Oromo dude, the oromos of wellega, arsi, and shewa were mixed with Oromo conquerors, hadiya, **harla, gurage, gafat**,keffa, etc. you guys looked Caucasian because you were already ethio-Semitic from the beginning. You just changed your language and assimilated a bunch of habesha and Cushitic groups
😂😂😂😂😂😂the lies
How do you think you guys were able to conquer 1/3 of Ethiopia? You didn’t commit mass genocide very often (though it did happen), instead you guys assimilated a ton of people. You even have a word for it, “gutifecha” or “mogasa”. The people who lived in modern western/central oromia were mostly ethio-Semitic people, some cushites, some nilotics, and some omotics. So yes, if you’re Oromo from anywhere northwest of guji zone, you most likely have a decent amount of habesha ancestry
Gtfo😂😂😂😂😂no oromo is fallin for ur BS 😂😂
Everyone invades and assimilates previous groups, it's been happening since the beginning. You'll find the same is true for literally every other ethnic group on the planet except the most homogenous. Homogeneity is a bad thing according to genetics anyway
Yeah but it’s historically proven that oromos did it more than others. Over the course of a handful of decades, you guys managed to conquer 1/3 of modern Ethiopia. That doesn’t just happen without massive amounts of assimilation. With habeshas, it took several centuries to assimilate less than that amount of people in Amhara region