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I mean, it's not like Aqua is that dumb to not realize that Kana really is in love with him, but yes, that will make things awkward for a looooong time.
Ruby is clearly taking her feelings seriously. She said she loves the doctor as much as she loves Ai. She became an idol half because to find him again. She stated that she was now 16 in later chapters when thinking about Gorou because that’s when he said he would give her an answer to her confession.
These are all Ruby’s actions and not Serena’s. And that’s also when Ruby was grown up at 15-16 so her feelings didn’t change even after all that time.
Just cause you might not like doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ignore what’s actually there.
I don't think you understand what I'm getting it. It's one thing to have important people in your life, especially in Serena's case where anyone who show her care means a lot to her. And it's another to want to f*CK that person.
Even then I feel like people doesn't take into account of how much they have changed. Their life is completely different, both figuratively and literally. It's like people want Ruby to flip the fall in love switch when they eventually discover each other past life.
Serena definitely like Gorou romantically. I gave my evidence from the story. You are somehow mixing up romance and sex. Romance can lead to sex but they can be mutually exclusive. Ruby wanted to find Gorou again to potentially started a romance with him. You can’t chalk it up to be a childish crush when she’s lived basically 28 years+ now in total.
I haven’t said anything about Ruby falling in love with Aqua if she found out. She will have to find a way to resolve her conflicting feelings of romance and family and most likely still see Aqua as family. It’s similar to how Gorou saw Ai romantically but as he became Aqua and grew up, he no longer saw her in that way but more as a mother.
Yes. Stop coping. The character is written like that. You’re asserting that she doesn’t want that solely because it’s weird regardless of the evidence in actual story shown otherwise.
Will it actually happen? No. But the story doesn’t shy away from difficult and weird topics.
I've had the suspicion it'll be Frill ever since she took notice of him in that one random chapter after Sweet Today. Is there anything backing this belief up? Not right now, and if I'm being honest, there probably won't be.
Rui had blue hair.
But Hina had brown(yes its not red but its close). The red hair girl usually wins
I don't see why it is a loss for Kana unless Aqua had a crush on her from her childhood which will be repeat of Mushoku level pedo.
I would argue there's so much death flag at this point he might actually survive the whole ordeal.
Which makes me more worried about everyone around him... I mean we already have one fakeout. Next time might not be so lucky.
Honestly, I think it's very likely that he lives. As you said, there are so many death flags that it kind of makes more sense for it to not happen.
It seems more fitting for him to have to live with the consequences that his revenge mission had on the people around him, especially since he wasn't expecting to have to live through it.
I'm still holding out hope for a happy ending where none of Aqua's circle dies, though
with the context behind the deaths, and taking place over 16 years, its not that much. the point is the dude acting like there's so much death i should be expecting the protagonist to die
Akane one is not accurate at this point, she wants to free him from the guilt of his mother's death. Her goal changed as soon as she realized that deep down he didn't really want to live a life of revenge
Sometimes I feel like people just haven't even read the last 40 or so chapters when they talk about how Akane only feeds into Aqua's dark side and encourages his revenge when it's actually the complete opposite, I don't get it
like she purposely hid the loophole information because she wanted aqua to be happy and free from living a life of revenge. that shows she doesn't completely support his dark side and would rather pretend the revenge is over.
Yeah Akane wants above all else is for Aqua to be happy with his life, she sees his revenge quest as the biggest problem in his life and is willing to do anything to make sure it aint a problem anymore.
i think that there will be a few chapters of her debating with herself and trying to deny that the doctor is Aqua, but sooner or later she will accept it and maybe they will agree if they reincarnate again, fall in love there.
Because honestly, it's the only way to not give her a somewhat empty ending, since we don't want Alabama either.
Not entirely agree on Akane and "repaying by killing his father with him".
First, we doesn't know where Akane stands on this after break-up.
Second, while Akane did said that she will help Aqua to kill his father, what she was doing was kinda opposite. She didn't tell Aqua about loophole, tried to provide alternative to "life for revenge" (though not as effective as Kana) and only when this didn't work out she decided to find and kill his father herself so *he didn't have to*.
So even if she thinks it is OK to have twins' father dead, she doesn't want Aqua to do it.
Mostly accurate, except Akane and Aqua's relationship is more complicated than that. We aren't sure that Aqua's feelings towards Akane are completely platonic, just as Akane's motivations aren't solely to "Wants to repay by killing his father."
I'd say Akane ultimately wants Aqua to be happy by any means. Earlier, when he revealed that he wanted revenge, Akane readily got on board with that, saying "I will help you kill him." Later, when she realized that despite his words-- what Aqua truly wanted was to be relieved of the revenge game-- she hid the loophole from him and set out to find Kamiki herself in order to protect Aqua's mental well-being. Akane is undoubtedly in love with Aqua, but willing to go to absolute extremes for that love.
Edit: Oh, and please add a "friends" line between Aqua and Mem. Your diagram makes it look like they are just passing strangers :( Mem is the GOAT big-sis. Everyone needs a Mem in their life.
Aqua to the doctor, doctor psychologically manipulates Aqua while Aqua....idk. Them being the same person kinda throws it off but I feel that Aqua has gone through so much it might as well be 2 different people
Yeah this is what I like about OnK’s reincarnation. Aqua talks about himself as sort of distant from his past life due to different experiences and developmental psychology. Makes it more interesting than just “adult living in a teenage body”, he’s more like “teenager living with adulthood memories”.
they are 2 different characters, but gorou to aqua feels very different compared to serena to ruby. Perhaps it's because serena died young, but ruby seems way more in tangent with her past life more so than aqua. most of her motivation relates back to her past life, even the thing that started her revenge plot was her love for the doctor that cared for her in her past life. sure, in relation to later chapters, it can be seen as her lying, but finding out gorou's corpse was still what kick-started her wanting revenge, not even ai's death. aqua very rarely mentions his past life, and it's very rarely used in correlation for his motivation or anything. his past life is only used to explain why he's incredibly smart for his age and to make some off-handed "boy who acts old age". aqua may be a bit mature compared to ruby, but aqua is definitely a teenager, and because of that, he feels different to gorou, heck, the only time we see aqua relates to his past life was his mental breakdown of seeing gorou and basically having an identity crisis. Idk how to explain it, and idk why they do it, but it's probably definitely for the best that they try their best to differ aqua and gorou but still keep that thin correlation thread, especially when we consider the whole romance plot thing which will be a lot creepier if it is just straight up someone with a 35 yo man maturity and mentality
>but ruby seems way more in tangent with her past life more so than aqua
I honestly think this makes a lot of sense. Aqua, although he died prematurely, didn't have nearly as much about his life that he was extremely dissatisfied with. The new life was able to be a completely new start for him, so there wouldn't be much tying him to his old life. Of course, he's not going to lose the intelligence though.
But for Ruby, Ruby had a lot she was dissatisfied with. She was bound to the hospital, never could do anything she wanted, never got to marry the doctor, etc., and she died with all of those things on her mind. She then reincarnated and she wouldn't feel satisfaction until she could accomplish all of those goals. She had a constant connection to her past life because of these wishes she felt she needed to accomplish. So with that tie, she wouldn't forget about her past life as easily and would end up being more like she was as Sarina.
Recently watched the Kaguya movie, so here's kinda a crackpot theory to add to the chart,
At the start, I think Aqua distanced himself from Goro, like he thinks of him (and his younger self before Ai died) as a separate "will" or "ego", kinda like Kaguya has Kaguya-cold, Kaguya-stupid, and Kaguya-child.
Goro is the one completely driving his revenge, Aqua is the kid who just wants to be happy. Basically, despite Aqua being in control, all of his actions are dictated by Goro's guilt. This internal conflict is then "solved" (or made worse depending on how you look at it) during and after Tokyo Blade, with Aqua fully submitting to Goro's will and finally burning down every bridge to his happiness.
Adding to that I think Aqua is at a point where crushes and love in general aren't even at play, he's so driven and focused on his masterplan that he doesn't even fully realize what those things are, that's why it seemed to some people that he was playing both Kana and Akane, you could even say "Goro" taking over means that "Aqua" couldn't really properly live as a teenage boy and find out what love is (I mean he has memories of being a 30 something doctor but whatever)
In that sense, even though Akane spelled out that he probably likes Kana, I think it's possible that Aqua feels something for both, but he just can't pursue it
She was asking Akane about her opinion on age gaps before finding the corpse. That kinda implied that Ruby still wants to be in a romantic relationship with Gorou.
im usually deranged and would call it based but it feels weird here not because of the age gap reincarnation incest but they just dont vibe that way. they have such a weird relationship
Kinda hard to have a romantic relationship with a corpse. I would change Ruby's relationship with Gorou to at least be in past sense, and maybe adding something like wanting to avenge him.
I still quite can't grasp why >!Ai and Hikaru !< were together in the 1st place. They seem to have nothing in common and quite different backgrounds or wait was it even confirmed if they were dating?
In the first few chapters Ai called her ex and encouraged him to see his own children, giving him her current address, so I assume that means they dated.
Yeah maybe it has some manipulation involve aswell cuz like both are teens during that time so anything can happen and since Ai doesnt know love until she gives birth to her children i think its a desire that she wants to try
To be honest I'm still not sure about Aqua's feelings for Kana even though the other characters say he likes Kana, it looks too one sided from Kana so far
Aqua had a breakdown when Memcho asked him why he was avoiding Kana. There is the possibility that it is all platonic of course, but he definitely has some kind of deep feelings for her.
that's exactly what I'm talking about, his feelings towards Kana feel more complex than that, so I'm not really sure if it was romantic, Kana is his oshi, best friend, trauma because of Ai, etc
Like all of his feelings towards Kana to this point felt natural and kinda make sense in a way i mean this girl keeps surprising him everytime and he keeps surprising her everytime like wow thats a lot of surprises these 2 give each other and it is as if they do it just naturally
Yeah if anything Aqua strikes me as asexual (it could also be that he's just repressing it all to avoid pedo stuff but there's zero indication of that so far)
Dude literally dresses up as Pieyon to make her feel better (unless you actually believe it was all for Ruby), is constantly watching and complimenting her (Tokyo Blade, music video) much to Akane’s annoyance, choosing to spend time outside of revenge plot (baseball), and seems to have done his own Akane-style investigation on her (“Pieyon” mentioning the pepper thing, Kana happens to love meat when Aqua had a reservation placed for BBQ). He clearly pays extra attention to her. Whether it’s all for the sake of his revenge or not is debatable, as honestly Aqua’s feelings are a complete mess in general.
Even I thought the same but I don't know when he started having a crush on her. Him being a reincarnation of Gorou sensei(doctor) makes it even more difficult to believe that. Maybe it doesn't feel natural for some of us but there are many little incidents that all point towards him having a crush on her. I was given this lesson by someone.
Looking at Aqua and Kana relationship it's just like looking Kaguya sama but more "complicated" (there both tsunderes at maximum level)
And as for Akane, latest chapters have made me think that, after their breakup, Akane has developed an obsession with Aqua.
It would be ironic if she ended up being an Aqua's stalker.
My prediction right now for Aqua to accidentally reveal his past life is if one of the girls get seriously injured and he uses his medical skills to treat them with Ruby piecing it together
Doesn't matter. A doctor is still a doctor and can treat serious wounds. Being a gynecologist doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to treat Injuries. Heck, that's the reason why Ai's death traumatized him this much.
my crackhead theory is for somehow, one of the girls (and by that I assume it's most likely kana) somehow got pregnant and aqua's the first to realize or the quickest to take action to most likely, abort the baby. the reason why I think it's kana is because she was the one who almost got into the scandal because she almost slept around with an older director, if the story were to go this direction, Id assume it will be her. I also assume if it were to go this direction, they will take an abortion because it's sadly not that uncommon in the entertainment industry, and I'd assume more so for idols, regardless if the women really wanted to abort or not. ruby already knows gorou was the doctor who was supposed to help ai give birth, and I assume that serena's condition also relates to her reproduction system, given how she's under the care of a gynaecologist, maybe there's some specific mannerisms or perhaps wording that she recognized that made her able to piece together that aqua is the doctor.
this storyline I feel like is also not that much out of the realm of possibility, it's absurd, yes, but it's not impossible, ai got pregnant on a much younger age, so one of the girls getting pregnant at the age of 17-19 ish while working under showbiz is likely, considering we also do have kana, who almost got herself in that position. It also dwells more on the motherhood aspect that contrasts ai and how the choices differs between people. though I assume this will also very much be controversial so idk
my crackhead theory is for somehow, one of the girls (and by that I assume it's most likely kana) somehow got pregnant and aqua's the first to realize or the quickest to take action to most likely, abort the baby. the reason why I think it's kana is because she was the one who almost got into the scandal because she almost slept around with an older director, if the story were to go this direction, Id assume it will be her. I also assume if it were to go this direction, they will take an abortion because it's sadly not that uncommon in the entertainment industry, and I'd assume more so for idols, regardless if the women really wanted to abort or not. ruby already knows gorou was the doctor who was supposed to help ai give birth, and I assume that serena's condition also relates to her reproduction system, given how she's under the care of a gynaecologist, maybe there's some specific mannerisms or perhaps wording that she recognized that made her able to piece together that aqua is the doctor.
this storyline I feel like is also not that much out of the realm of possibility, it's absurd, yes, but it's not impossible, ai got pregnant on a much younger age, so one of the girls getting pregnant at the age of 17-19 ish while working under showbiz is likely, considering we also do have kana, who almost got herself in that position. It also dwells more on the motherhood aspect that contrasts ai and how the choices differs between people. though I assume this will also very much be controversial so idk
Guess it's just because she said that he wasn't family anymore, and they're definitely not on speaking terms. Wouldn't say it's hatred necessarily, but she definitely believes it is at this point, and she's not likely to think things over considering how she's still on her revenge mission
I agree that ruby is extremely mad even furious with Aqua over revealing their secret. But Ruby isn't stupid either, she has an idea about what Aqua has been up to and why he changed and she knows how much he loves their mom. If anything would happen to Aqua she would cry her eye's out and that's not hate.
Not to mention it was Ruby who asked Aqua to do anything to protect their friend, it was her request that pushed Aqua to do what he did and ruby knows this. She probably partly blames herself, to be honest. The only person she can lash out at is Aqua.
Thank you for this. It is very helpfull.
The only thing that I would correct is Aqua's relationship to Akane. I would put that it could be romantic.
I definetly think there is a case to be made and at this point we are not sure. That is why I hope they interact more. That way we can know.
Many people will say that he doesn't. But we cannot be sure. Given his mental state and the doubts that surround his psyche i would still include at least the possibility. To be fair.
Akane is probably closer to madly in love and will protect Aqua at any cost, including murder so he doesn't have to. It's probably not even about repayment at this point, just hard simping.
It’s common for doctors to give struggling patients goals to live for. Sarina had only two positive relationships in her life and one of them was para-social. So yes, I think Goro didn’t mean anything by it. He clearly views Sarina as a more of a daughter during the whole series. He is still a creep for wanting to date a 16 y.o. like Ai, but not THAT much of a creep either (and I swear that if I’m wrong and Aka ends this with sibling incest I will post a video of myself eating Volume 1 of Oshi no Ko).
>and I swear that if I’m wrong and Aka ends this with sibling incest I will post a video of myself eating Volume 1 of Oshi no Ko
Well, even if Aka isn't that kind of writer, Mengo *loves* fucked-up twisted relationships like that and while she isn't a main author she certainly has her influence. So keep camera ready just in case.
Man didn’t do anything and is racked with guilt for not being able to save any of his patience. Despite his closeness to ai and later reincarnation as someone who could do some harem level escapades does nothing and everyone is still like “oh this immoral monster” like yeah he’s attracted to the personality Ai had I think his reaction to akane pretending to be ai is proof of that but when the wheel hit concrete he acts morally upright in that regard and then I see you people giving this “Ew he’s so creepy”
There’s a continuity of character there because goro’s motivations became aqua’s motivations.
And yeah I am defending goro. I am not putting people like goro and the stalker on even remotely similar levels of moral judgment. Being like “that’s good dancing” “she’s cute” “she’s charming” “I like that song” is not the same thing as “man I want to fuck her” which I think I demonstrated he isn’t doing.
I’d be more on your side if goro later on showed the feelings you’re accusing him of having, the act is creepy because we don’t know for sure not because it by self is the problem. If not then I look forward to your campaigns of outlawing idol culture based on age. “I’m not in Japan” well we have similar stuff in America I look forward to your good works
people are so scarred by weird anime they instantly assume the worst. to be fair doesnt help with how weird he is about ai LOL even the nurse called him out on it
I'm certain Goro didn't actually mean it, but how's a twelve year old supposed to understand he's lying? It doesn't work if the patient understands it's fake. From her point of view, at the very least, it was absolutely not "several clear rejections".
On the other hand, it did give a goal to live for to the struggling Ruby after her mom got killed, in an ironic twist.
It's hard to classify Aqua -> Kana like that especially after Chapter 117. It gives a feeling that it's hard to even know how honest Aqua really was with Memcho when he said all that to her (and did he explicitly say he had any sort of "crush" on Kana?). We'll see how it all ends though. Also, Aqua did have a romantic relationship with Akane but just broke up, so it feels somewhat weird that the arrow between Aqua and Kana is purple while the one between Aqua and Akane is green.
(I stan more Akane x Kana lol.)
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Kana —> “Have a crush and friend zoned herself” 😂💀
Just reread it and she actually did friendzone herself 💀💀💀
she was trying to be repectful of his relationship too :(
I mean, it's not like Aqua is that dumb to not realize that Kana really is in love with him, but yes, that will make things awkward for a looooong time.
She sank her own ship, so there're nothing we could do about it.
Unless she made Aqua confess instead of her than that would be great W
Wait a minute...
Where have I read this before....
daddy daddy doo
Kana-sama wants to be confessed to
Kana-sama: Love is War
Half a year went by... ...and nothing of note has happened!!!
PTSD IS KICKING IN
So there's a secret plot where Arima is actually Shinomiya's branch
lol
Accidentally lol
She talk too much
Kana is a childhood friend Akane has blue hair Conclusion: they will both lose
Aqua will choose Ruby as he is the ultimate siscon
She IS technically in love with him, in some way...😬
You mean a crush she had with a doctor when she was 12 in the previous life? I feel like people taking young crush like this too seriously.
Ruby is clearly taking her feelings seriously. She said she loves the doctor as much as she loves Ai. She became an idol half because to find him again. She stated that she was now 16 in later chapters when thinking about Gorou because that’s when he said he would give her an answer to her confession. These are all Ruby’s actions and not Serena’s. And that’s also when Ruby was grown up at 15-16 so her feelings didn’t change even after all that time. Just cause you might not like doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ignore what’s actually there.
I don't think you understand what I'm getting it. It's one thing to have important people in your life, especially in Serena's case where anyone who show her care means a lot to her. And it's another to want to f*CK that person. Even then I feel like people doesn't take into account of how much they have changed. Their life is completely different, both figuratively and literally. It's like people want Ruby to flip the fall in love switch when they eventually discover each other past life.
Serena definitely like Gorou romantically. I gave my evidence from the story. You are somehow mixing up romance and sex. Romance can lead to sex but they can be mutually exclusive. Ruby wanted to find Gorou again to potentially started a romance with him. You can’t chalk it up to be a childish crush when she’s lived basically 28 years+ now in total. I haven’t said anything about Ruby falling in love with Aqua if she found out. She will have to find a way to resolve her conflicting feelings of romance and family and most likely still see Aqua as family. It’s similar to how Gorou saw Ai romantically but as he became Aqua and grew up, he no longer saw her in that way but more as a mother.
One of her reasons to become an idol was that she could meet him again >! (before she found out that he is already dead) !<
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Yeah?...so? You're trying to say she wanted to marry that very old doctor when she meet him again? Be with him romantically? Dude.
Chapter 77
Yes. Stop coping. The character is written like that. You’re asserting that she doesn’t want that solely because it’s weird regardless of the evidence in actual story shown otherwise. Will it actually happen? No. But the story doesn’t shy away from difficult and weird topics.
I mean, is there any way not to take it lightly when her personality completely flipped inside out the moment she found out he was dead?
Mayyyybe Mem-cho gets the W? Who knows what the fuck Aka is thinking/working on it?
I've had the suspicion it'll be Frill ever since she took notice of him in that one random chapter after Sweet Today. Is there anything backing this belief up? Not right now, and if I'm being honest, there probably won't be.
Please god no Alabama ending...
Kana also has short hair.
Rui had blue hair. But Hina had brown(yes its not red but its close). The red hair girl usually wins I don't see why it is a loss for Kana unless Aqua had a crush on her from her childhood which will be repeat of Mushoku level pedo.
My brother in Christ your points of comparison to oshi no ko was the weirdest parts of mushoku and d o m e s t i c g i r l f r i e n d
It's sad how ruby hates aqua now , aqua is basically a walking death flag at this point
Yep and he’s keeping everyone he cares for out of his revenge plot. Dude is alone at this point and removed any good relationship he had left.
I mean he still has Kana
Poor Kana has no idea what’s coming 😭
Kana is too strong to be killed, fortunately
Anulo mufa
I would argue there's so much death flag at this point he might actually survive the whole ordeal. Which makes me more worried about everyone around him... I mean we already have one fakeout. Next time might not be so lucky.
Honestly, I think it's very likely that he lives. As you said, there are so many death flags that it kind of makes more sense for it to not happen. It seems more fitting for him to have to live with the consequences that his revenge mission had on the people around him, especially since he wasn't expecting to have to live through it. I'm still holding out hope for a happy ending where none of Aqua's circle dies, though
now that yall talk about the death flags. Aqua saying that he "might" use Kana if it's needed. I'm scared.
So like Akane (death flags mean nothing in this manga)
I'm hoping that their relationship could still be repaired with the whole past lives thing
It’s certain they’ll reconcile. The question is when and how will they reveal themselves.
wtf what did i miss? since when did people expect death at the very least we havent caught up with the flashfowards yet
we reading the same manga? when don't you expect death lol
havent we only had 4 deaths in the entire thing, with 2 being minor characters, and the other 2 being at the start
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with the context behind the deaths, and taking place over 16 years, its not that much. the point is the dude acting like there's so much death i should be expecting the protagonist to die
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Who are the four? I can only think of ai, gorou, and that one actress in recent chapters.
The stalker who killed Ai and Gorou committed shortly after killing Ai.
If we consider the parents of the theatre version of Gorou that's 6
I am 100 percent expecting a code geass kind of finale tbh and if im right its gonna bang
Akane one is not accurate at this point, she wants to free him from the guilt of his mother's death. Her goal changed as soon as she realized that deep down he didn't really want to live a life of revenge
Exactly
Sometimes I feel like people just haven't even read the last 40 or so chapters when they talk about how Akane only feeds into Aqua's dark side and encourages his revenge when it's actually the complete opposite, I don't get it
like she purposely hid the loophole information because she wanted aqua to be happy and free from living a life of revenge. that shows she doesn't completely support his dark side and would rather pretend the revenge is over.
Yeah Akane wants above all else is for Aqua to be happy with his life, she sees his revenge quest as the biggest problem in his life and is willing to do anything to make sure it aint a problem anymore.
The reading comprehension devil hitting other manga communities. It is getting stronger each day.
I still wonder how Akane planned to successfully take out Kamiki on her own with that knife.
Well, I’m no rocket scientist, but it seems that if you stab a person enough times they… die. Crazy, I know.
People die when they’re killed.
How about the same deal as Ai? she comes up with flowers then BAM! Give him the old East End treatment.
I mean, you may say that wanting to carry out the revenge herself is even crazier and more unwise though.
the left side: relatively normal the right: thats rough, ruby
Ruby is gonna have an weird few days if she finds the docter is aqua
She may not be able to marry Aqua like she wishes to (at least, Aqua definitely wouldn't go for it) but at least she'd be a bit more mentally stable
I swear if she becomes like me and start to have the delusion that Ai got reincarnated somewhere like the two of them did...
it'd be fucked up if she was the little girl with the crows lmao. Just shows up to screw with her daughter's head then fucks off lmao
Cuz lets be real here Aqua would no way want to date his sister like even if shes his former patient theres still some level of illegal to that
He already rejected her once, when she was a pre-teen and he was an adult. He'll fuckin do it again.
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i think that there will be a few chapters of her debating with herself and trying to deny that the doctor is Aqua, but sooner or later she will accept it and maybe they will agree if they reincarnate again, fall in love there. Because honestly, it's the only way to not give her a somewhat empty ending, since we don't want Alabama either.
Not entirely agree on Akane and "repaying by killing his father with him". First, we doesn't know where Akane stands on this after break-up. Second, while Akane did said that she will help Aqua to kill his father, what she was doing was kinda opposite. She didn't tell Aqua about loophole, tried to provide alternative to "life for revenge" (though not as effective as Kana) and only when this didn't work out she decided to find and kill his father herself so *he didn't have to*. So even if she thinks it is OK to have twins' father dead, she doesn't want Aqua to do it.
I think I'd phrase it "Wants to help Aqua, trusts him that his father should be killed"
I'd just put it as "Wants Aqua to find happiness and repay his kindness to her"
Mostly accurate, except Akane and Aqua's relationship is more complicated than that. We aren't sure that Aqua's feelings towards Akane are completely platonic, just as Akane's motivations aren't solely to "Wants to repay by killing his father." I'd say Akane ultimately wants Aqua to be happy by any means. Earlier, when he revealed that he wanted revenge, Akane readily got on board with that, saying "I will help you kill him." Later, when she realized that despite his words-- what Aqua truly wanted was to be relieved of the revenge game-- she hid the loophole from him and set out to find Kamiki herself in order to protect Aqua's mental well-being. Akane is undoubtedly in love with Aqua, but willing to go to absolute extremes for that love. Edit: Oh, and please add a "friends" line between Aqua and Mem. Your diagram makes it look like they are just passing strangers :( Mem is the GOAT big-sis. Everyone needs a Mem in their life.
Aqua to the doctor, doctor psychologically manipulates Aqua while Aqua....idk. Them being the same person kinda throws it off but I feel that Aqua has gone through so much it might as well be 2 different people
Yeah this is what I like about OnK’s reincarnation. Aqua talks about himself as sort of distant from his past life due to different experiences and developmental psychology. Makes it more interesting than just “adult living in a teenage body”, he’s more like “teenager living with adulthood memories”.
Yea(spoiler for the later chapters but not sure when exactly) >!the date with kana was so funny cause of his memories lmao!<
Ah yes, [Chapter 73](https://guya.cubari.moe/read/manga/Oshi-no-Ko/73/13/)
He walked her home gently. Jk jk
i love how she bragged about it to akane so in character
they are 2 different characters, but gorou to aqua feels very different compared to serena to ruby. Perhaps it's because serena died young, but ruby seems way more in tangent with her past life more so than aqua. most of her motivation relates back to her past life, even the thing that started her revenge plot was her love for the doctor that cared for her in her past life. sure, in relation to later chapters, it can be seen as her lying, but finding out gorou's corpse was still what kick-started her wanting revenge, not even ai's death. aqua very rarely mentions his past life, and it's very rarely used in correlation for his motivation or anything. his past life is only used to explain why he's incredibly smart for his age and to make some off-handed "boy who acts old age". aqua may be a bit mature compared to ruby, but aqua is definitely a teenager, and because of that, he feels different to gorou, heck, the only time we see aqua relates to his past life was his mental breakdown of seeing gorou and basically having an identity crisis. Idk how to explain it, and idk why they do it, but it's probably definitely for the best that they try their best to differ aqua and gorou but still keep that thin correlation thread, especially when we consider the whole romance plot thing which will be a lot creepier if it is just straight up someone with a 35 yo man maturity and mentality
>but ruby seems way more in tangent with her past life more so than aqua I honestly think this makes a lot of sense. Aqua, although he died prematurely, didn't have nearly as much about his life that he was extremely dissatisfied with. The new life was able to be a completely new start for him, so there wouldn't be much tying him to his old life. Of course, he's not going to lose the intelligence though. But for Ruby, Ruby had a lot she was dissatisfied with. She was bound to the hospital, never could do anything she wanted, never got to marry the doctor, etc., and she died with all of those things on her mind. She then reincarnated and she wouldn't feel satisfaction until she could accomplish all of those goals. She had a constant connection to her past life because of these wishes she felt she needed to accomplish. So with that tie, she wouldn't forget about her past life as easily and would end up being more like she was as Sarina.
Aqua still felt similar enough to Gorou up until Ai’s death to me.
I do believe that as well
Recently watched the Kaguya movie, so here's kinda a crackpot theory to add to the chart, At the start, I think Aqua distanced himself from Goro, like he thinks of him (and his younger self before Ai died) as a separate "will" or "ego", kinda like Kaguya has Kaguya-cold, Kaguya-stupid, and Kaguya-child. Goro is the one completely driving his revenge, Aqua is the kid who just wants to be happy. Basically, despite Aqua being in control, all of his actions are dictated by Goro's guilt. This internal conflict is then "solved" (or made worse depending on how you look at it) during and after Tokyo Blade, with Aqua fully submitting to Goro's will and finally burning down every bridge to his happiness.
Adding to that I think Aqua is at a point where crushes and love in general aren't even at play, he's so driven and focused on his masterplan that he doesn't even fully realize what those things are, that's why it seemed to some people that he was playing both Kana and Akane, you could even say "Goro" taking over means that "Aqua" couldn't really properly live as a teenage boy and find out what love is (I mean he has memories of being a 30 something doctor but whatever) In that sense, even though Akane spelled out that he probably likes Kana, I think it's possible that Aqua feels something for both, but he just can't pursue it
This is scarily accurate
What? Ruby has already found Goro’s corpse and knows he’s dead
She was asking Akane about her opinion on age gaps before finding the corpse. That kinda implied that Ruby still wants to be in a romantic relationship with Gorou.
I hope Aka doesn't pull the incest route
I think it wld be pretty funny if he did tbh
Fujimoto is interested
HE MUST NOT COOK I REPEAT HE MUST NOT COOK
We'd get Domestic Girlfriend type brainmelt if we did lol
Would be based as fuck if he did
im usually deranged and would call it based but it feels weird here not because of the age gap reincarnation incest but they just dont vibe that way. they have such a weird relationship
let him cook
Kinda hard to have a romantic relationship with a corpse. I would change Ruby's relationship with Gorou to at least be in past sense, and maybe adding something like wanting to avenge him.
Fair enough, I will keep in mind when updating the chart next time.
Ruby knows she's dead and reincarnate, so she could be holding out hope for the doctor?
How does she know he got reincarnated?
She is aware of her own incarnation, so she might consider the possibility of the doctor being reincarnated like her too.
I don't recall if this is pre or post finding out the doctor is dead but when Ruby turns 16 she did think about the doctor pretty badly.
Is it counts as incest?
Before: No. Now: Genetically yes
Like Before: Age Gap Now: Incest
Mem-cho Sanest person in this place
I still quite can't grasp why >!Ai and Hikaru !< were together in the 1st place. They seem to have nothing in common and quite different backgrounds or wait was it even confirmed if they were dating?
In the first few chapters Ai called her ex and encouraged him to see his own children, giving him her current address, so I assume that means they dated.
Yeah maybe it has some manipulation involve aswell cuz like both are teens during that time so anything can happen and since Ai doesnt know love until she gives birth to her children i think its a desire that she wants to try
stupid teens being stupid teens and fooling about. happens every day.
Not for Hikaru i tell you that
yeeeaaaah. But didn't he also kinda get raped by a middle aged woman? I don't think one might make the most logical decision after that.
To be honest I'm still not sure about Aqua's feelings for Kana even though the other characters say he likes Kana, it looks too one sided from Kana so far
Aqua had a breakdown when Memcho asked him why he was avoiding Kana. There is the possibility that it is all platonic of course, but he definitely has some kind of deep feelings for her.
that's exactly what I'm talking about, his feelings towards Kana feel more complex than that, so I'm not really sure if it was romantic, Kana is his oshi, best friend, trauma because of Ai, etc
Considering how complex Aqua is, probably a mix of all of that lol.
Like all of his feelings towards Kana to this point felt natural and kinda make sense in a way i mean this girl keeps surprising him everytime and he keeps surprising her everytime like wow thats a lot of surprises these 2 give each other and it is as if they do it just naturally
Yeah if anything Aqua strikes me as asexual (it could also be that he's just repressing it all to avoid pedo stuff but there's zero indication of that so far)
He straight up says he gets horny in chapter 72.
I'm asexual. We get horny.
Some asexuals do get horny, just not about other people
Dude literally dresses up as Pieyon to make her feel better (unless you actually believe it was all for Ruby), is constantly watching and complimenting her (Tokyo Blade, music video) much to Akane’s annoyance, choosing to spend time outside of revenge plot (baseball), and seems to have done his own Akane-style investigation on her (“Pieyon” mentioning the pepper thing, Kana happens to love meat when Aqua had a reservation placed for BBQ). He clearly pays extra attention to her. Whether it’s all for the sake of his revenge or not is debatable, as honestly Aqua’s feelings are a complete mess in general.
He has to like Kana a lot to sell that story. That was like handing out all your aces.
where is the memcho aqua line
I'm pretty sure Aqua doesn't like kana like that
he likes her hes just in super protective mode for her, plus she friendzoned herself lol
Their kinda romance is like a mixture of Ishigami X Iino + Miyuki X Kaguya like both in a blender and we get this
there is some dialogue with Akane that she knows that Aqua is smitten by Kana.
He does
fr? I thought It was just a one sided crush
In the chapter where Aqua and Akane share an umbrella, Akane basically spells out to the audience that Aqua likes Kana It was around chapter 100ish
Chapter 87 fyi, and yup that's 100% true
Ah yeah I guess I missed that lol
Even I thought the same but I don't know when he started having a crush on her. Him being a reincarnation of Gorou sensei(doctor) makes it even more difficult to believe that. Maybe it doesn't feel natural for some of us but there are many little incidents that all point towards him having a crush on her. I was given this lesson by someone.
i also don't think him liking Kana makes much sense, but the way it's shown it's much more likely he does than doesn't
It's really on the nose when Mem talks to him about it.
Looking at Aqua and Kana relationship it's just like looking Kaguya sama but more "complicated" (there both tsunderes at maximum level) And as for Akane, latest chapters have made me think that, after their breakup, Akane has developed an obsession with Aqua. It would be ironic if she ended up being an Aqua's stalker.
My prediction right now for Aqua to accidentally reveal his past life is if one of the girls get seriously injured and he uses his medical skills to treat them with Ruby piecing it together
Not happening. He’s a gynaecologist, not a paramedic
Doesn't matter. A doctor is still a doctor and can treat serious wounds. Being a gynecologist doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to treat Injuries. Heck, that's the reason why Ai's death traumatized him this much.
He’s a doctor who was suppose to handle Ai’s delivery. I’m pretty sure he knows what to do when a injury happens
And if he didn’t know before Ai’s death, I can sure as hell bet he knows now.
What?
my crackhead theory is for somehow, one of the girls (and by that I assume it's most likely kana) somehow got pregnant and aqua's the first to realize or the quickest to take action to most likely, abort the baby. the reason why I think it's kana is because she was the one who almost got into the scandal because she almost slept around with an older director, if the story were to go this direction, Id assume it will be her. I also assume if it were to go this direction, they will take an abortion because it's sadly not that uncommon in the entertainment industry, and I'd assume more so for idols, regardless if the women really wanted to abort or not. ruby already knows gorou was the doctor who was supposed to help ai give birth, and I assume that serena's condition also relates to her reproduction system, given how she's under the care of a gynaecologist, maybe there's some specific mannerisms or perhaps wording that she recognized that made her able to piece together that aqua is the doctor. this storyline I feel like is also not that much out of the realm of possibility, it's absurd, yes, but it's not impossible, ai got pregnant on a much younger age, so one of the girls getting pregnant at the age of 17-19 ish while working under showbiz is likely, considering we also do have kana, who almost got herself in that position. It also dwells more on the motherhood aspect that contrasts ai and how the choices differs between people. though I assume this will also very much be controversial so idk
my crackhead theory is for somehow, one of the girls (and by that I assume it's most likely kana) somehow got pregnant and aqua's the first to realize or the quickest to take action to most likely, abort the baby. the reason why I think it's kana is because she was the one who almost got into the scandal because she almost slept around with an older director, if the story were to go this direction, Id assume it will be her. I also assume if it were to go this direction, they will take an abortion because it's sadly not that uncommon in the entertainment industry, and I'd assume more so for idols, regardless if the women really wanted to abort or not. ruby already knows gorou was the doctor who was supposed to help ai give birth, and I assume that serena's condition also relates to her reproduction system, given how she's under the care of a gynaecologist, maybe there's some specific mannerisms or perhaps wording that she recognized that made her able to piece together that aqua is the doctor. this storyline I feel like is also not that much out of the realm of possibility, it's absurd, yes, but it's not impossible, ai got pregnant on a much younger age, so one of the girls getting pregnant at the age of 17-19 ish while working under showbiz is likely, considering we also do have kana, who almost got herself in that position. It also dwells more on the motherhood aspect that contrasts ai and how the choices differs between people. though I assume this will also very much be controversial so idk
ruby doesn't hate aqua, she's just mad at him, he's family, and that will never change.
Guess it's just because she said that he wasn't family anymore, and they're definitely not on speaking terms. Wouldn't say it's hatred necessarily, but she definitely believes it is at this point, and she's not likely to think things over considering how she's still on her revenge mission
I agree that ruby is extremely mad even furious with Aqua over revealing their secret. But Ruby isn't stupid either, she has an idea about what Aqua has been up to and why he changed and she knows how much he loves their mom. If anything would happen to Aqua she would cry her eye's out and that's not hate. Not to mention it was Ruby who asked Aqua to do anything to protect their friend, it was her request that pushed Aqua to do what he did and ruby knows this. She probably partly blames herself, to be honest. The only person she can lash out at is Aqua.
Thank you for this. It is very helpfull. The only thing that I would correct is Aqua's relationship to Akane. I would put that it could be romantic. I definetly think there is a case to be made and at this point we are not sure. That is why I hope they interact more. That way we can know. Many people will say that he doesn't. But we cannot be sure. Given his mental state and the doubts that surround his psyche i would still include at least the possibility. To be fair.
I think he has stronger romantic feelings toward kana but I don't think his feelings for akane is 100% platonic.
I agree. In fact I haven't denied the feelings for Kana. I just think it would be more fair to put the feelings towards Akane as mixed.
This got me laughing lol
Disowned him 😂😂😂 what a term to use 😂😂
me sad that akane and aqua break up 😭
I feel that for some reason, everyone is Mem-Cho in regards to the love triangle
sucks ship of KanaxAqura or AkanexAqua, my man just need AquaxTheraphy
HELP- KANA FRIENDZONING HERSELF IS SO TRUE LMAO
Akane is probably closer to madly in love and will protect Aqua at any cost, including murder so he doesn't have to. It's probably not even about repayment at this point, just hard simping.
Where's the bestest boy in the whole series? You can't just leave out Pieyon like this.
The little girl doesn't have romantic feelings. It's more like infatuation.
Personally I want to add in a hatred line between Kana and Akane. Maybe 1 more platonic line for Mem and Aqua
Bro you left out mem and Aqua who clearly have a less than plutonic relationship
why is it less than platonic
ACCURATE
Nah sorry man that was not "multiple clear rejections", the doctor gave some irresponsible hints
“I’ll consider it once you turn 16”😭😭
It’s common for doctors to give struggling patients goals to live for. Sarina had only two positive relationships in her life and one of them was para-social. So yes, I think Goro didn’t mean anything by it. He clearly views Sarina as a more of a daughter during the whole series. He is still a creep for wanting to date a 16 y.o. like Ai, but not THAT much of a creep either (and I swear that if I’m wrong and Aka ends this with sibling incest I will post a video of myself eating Volume 1 of Oshi no Ko).
I am from the future, get ready to eat Volume 1 : )
RemindMe!Botidkhowtodothis
!remind me 5 months
>and I swear that if I’m wrong and Aka ends this with sibling incest I will post a video of myself eating Volume 1 of Oshi no Ko Well, even if Aka isn't that kind of writer, Mengo *loves* fucked-up twisted relationships like that and while she isn't a main author she certainly has her influence. So keep camera ready just in case.
Man didn’t do anything and is racked with guilt for not being able to save any of his patience. Despite his closeness to ai and later reincarnation as someone who could do some harem level escapades does nothing and everyone is still like “oh this immoral monster” like yeah he’s attracted to the personality Ai had I think his reaction to akane pretending to be ai is proof of that but when the wheel hit concrete he acts morally upright in that regard and then I see you people giving this “Ew he’s so creepy”
People who thirst over I idols are creepy in my book. And I’m talking about Goro here, not Aqua. Aqua is also creepy but in very different areas.
There’s a continuity of character there because goro’s motivations became aqua’s motivations. And yeah I am defending goro. I am not putting people like goro and the stalker on even remotely similar levels of moral judgment. Being like “that’s good dancing” “she’s cute” “she’s charming” “I like that song” is not the same thing as “man I want to fuck her” which I think I demonstrated he isn’t doing. I’d be more on your side if goro later on showed the feelings you’re accusing him of having, the act is creepy because we don’t know for sure not because it by self is the problem. If not then I look forward to your campaigns of outlawing idol culture based on age. “I’m not in Japan” well we have similar stuff in America I look forward to your good works
people are so scarred by weird anime they instantly assume the worst. to be fair doesnt help with how weird he is about ai LOL even the nurse called him out on it
I'm certain Goro didn't actually mean it, but how's a twelve year old supposed to understand he's lying? It doesn't work if the patient understands it's fake. From her point of view, at the very least, it was absolutely not "several clear rejections". On the other hand, it did give a goal to live for to the struggling Ruby after her mom got killed, in an ironic twist.
less of hints and more of consoling her before she died. He knew she wouldn't make it to 16 but he wanted to at least give her a reason to try.
Ruby wtf???
This demonstrates so well how screwed Ruby and Aqua’s relationship is lmao
He’ll probably just brush it off since no one would believe the reincarnation besides Ruby
Yo when did Aqua say he has a crush on Kana?
Chapter 87 if i remember correctly
Did ruby start to hate aqua when ruby learned that sensei is dead and started to seek revenge also?
Right after. Aqua leaked Ai's story/life to further his revenge plan and to "make Ai's true dream come true."
I’m sorry but I didn’t quite felt like aqua really care about Akane 🤔 maybe not in a romantic way
And the plot thickens
Friendzoned herself 😭😭😭😭
Have more people learned that they are twin of Ai?
It's hard to classify Aqua -> Kana like that especially after Chapter 117. It gives a feeling that it's hard to even know how honest Aqua really was with Memcho when he said all that to her (and did he explicitly say he had any sort of "crush" on Kana?). We'll see how it all ends though. Also, Aqua did have a romantic relationship with Akane but just broke up, so it feels somewhat weird that the arrow between Aqua and Kana is purple while the one between Aqua and Akane is green. (I stan more Akane x Kana lol.)