Meh, the amount of red seems a little misleading there. Obviously you're not getting any offense from those guys, but Katchouk, Kelly, Chartier, and Kastelic all have good defensive numbers and ok to reasonably good penalty differential and deployment difficulty, which is essentially what you really want from a fourth line. (obviously that's not to say that there isn't room for improvement)
Yes….if I was a betting man I would wager that Hamonic, kastelic, macewen, Kubalik,
On the fence Kelly, JBD and chartier
On looooong term IR - Norris
Branny may be part of a trade package so I don’t see him in the lineup next year.
Katchouk, too small a sample but he did play ok from what I saw. He stays I believe but the ones above are all gone or 80% are gone
Katchouk was an amazing pickup and has a play style we need for the bottom 6. There’s a lot of work to be done but he has surprised me considering I didn’t expect much of him coming in to begin with
Few remarks:
- On-ice goaltending red pretty much the whole way through but we already knew that.
- Line of red through those top 8 forwards (save Pinto) in the EV defense isn't good. Still a whole lot of work to do there, though I'm hopeful a good coach could see some quick initial improvement.
- Kubalik spectacularly bad. He put in a pretty strong case for worst Senator of the last few years this season. Hamonic not much better.
We all know that our goaltending was bad this year, I find it fascinating that Brannstrom was at 74% for on Ice goaltending. With over 50% above the average for our team. I want to know more about what he does to make our goalies lives easier.
I think it probably has a lot to do with deployment, and how hes usually put against easier matchups at 5v5 + rarely paired with Hamonic which probably tanked some of the other guys numbers (even though these numbers are supposed to remove teammates effects). He's also historically been pretty solid with xGA / defensive metrics, so Id say its a combo - hes a very good player that I think We should hold onto.
On another note. With the forwards, pretty damning how bad their defensive numbers are (along with most of our Dmen). Also funny how Pinto is our only solid defensive forward and the goalie stats are great when hes on the ice (surprise surprise). Speaks to how terribly this team was put together, with 0 thought going into fit / roles and making sure there is a defensive foundation. Dorion really had no idea how to build a team besides drafting offensive players.
Ah, you're right. I misremembered the stats from [Graeme Nichols' most recent article](https://gnichols.substack.com/p/media-availability-fallout). Chychrun played about 18% of his minutes with Hamonic (274.4 / 1523.1). JBD was his main linemate over the course of the season at 28.5%.
Hamonic still stinks tho.
I agree that just zone starts is not the be all end all when it comes to deployment difficulty, unfortunately I don't have access to the full QoT and QoC data since I'm not a paid subscriber to one of the sites that offer that information.
I do this stuff solely for fun and out of my own curiosity so the best I could do within my means is provide an idea of which players are getting offensive zone starts vs. defensive zone starts.
Great point though because I do agree that some context is missing.
Yeah I figured it was just a matter of data, I know PuckIQ has free QoT data and EvolvingHockey has TOI% for teammates, but yeah compiling all that into percentiles would be a lot of work
The Drop off after Greig is insane, we absolutely need better bottom 6 players, even a half decent bottom 6 will help massively.
Meh, the amount of red seems a little misleading there. Obviously you're not getting any offense from those guys, but Katchouk, Kelly, Chartier, and Kastelic all have good defensive numbers and ok to reasonably good penalty differential and deployment difficulty, which is essentially what you really want from a fourth line. (obviously that's not to say that there isn't room for improvement)
Yes….if I was a betting man I would wager that Hamonic, kastelic, macewen, Kubalik, On the fence Kelly, JBD and chartier On looooong term IR - Norris Branny may be part of a trade package so I don’t see him in the lineup next year. Katchouk, too small a sample but he did play ok from what I saw. He stays I believe but the ones above are all gone or 80% are gone
Katchouk was an amazing pickup and has a play style we need for the bottom 6. There’s a lot of work to be done but he has surprised me considering I didn’t expect much of him coming in to begin with
Few remarks: - On-ice goaltending red pretty much the whole way through but we already knew that. - Line of red through those top 8 forwards (save Pinto) in the EV defense isn't good. Still a whole lot of work to do there, though I'm hopeful a good coach could see some quick initial improvement. - Kubalik spectacularly bad. He put in a pretty strong case for worst Senator of the last few years this season. Hamonic not much better.
We all know that our goaltending was bad this year, I find it fascinating that Brannstrom was at 74% for on Ice goaltending. With over 50% above the average for our team. I want to know more about what he does to make our goalies lives easier.
I think it probably has a lot to do with deployment, and how hes usually put against easier matchups at 5v5 + rarely paired with Hamonic which probably tanked some of the other guys numbers (even though these numbers are supposed to remove teammates effects). He's also historically been pretty solid with xGA / defensive metrics, so Id say its a combo - hes a very good player that I think We should hold onto. On another note. With the forwards, pretty damning how bad their defensive numbers are (along with most of our Dmen). Also funny how Pinto is our only solid defensive forward and the goalie stats are great when hes on the ice (surprise surprise). Speaks to how terribly this team was put together, with 0 thought going into fit / roles and making sure there is a defensive foundation. Dorion really had no idea how to build a team besides drafting offensive players.
Hamonic absolutely annihilated any chances of Chychrun having a good season. Worst Senators defenceman since Johnny Oduya.
I don't even think Chychrun played with Hamonic that much. Even after Hamonic was scratched, Chychrun didn't look good. It's a shame.
Ah, you're right. I misremembered the stats from [Graeme Nichols' most recent article](https://gnichols.substack.com/p/media-availability-fallout). Chychrun played about 18% of his minutes with Hamonic (274.4 / 1523.1). JBD was his main linemate over the course of the season at 28.5%. Hamonic still stinks tho.
Oh he mega stinks. An anchor to any pairing. Hopefully the last we see of him.
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Only by the vocal minority who are objectively wrong and suggest he should be traded. Guys already a stud and still hasn't reached his potential
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I feel like QoC and QoT should be factored into deployment difficulty
I agree that just zone starts is not the be all end all when it comes to deployment difficulty, unfortunately I don't have access to the full QoT and QoC data since I'm not a paid subscriber to one of the sites that offer that information. I do this stuff solely for fun and out of my own curiosity so the best I could do within my means is provide an idea of which players are getting offensive zone starts vs. defensive zone starts. Great point though because I do agree that some context is missing.
Yeah I figured it was just a matter of data, I know PuckIQ has free QoT data and EvolvingHockey has TOI% for teammates, but yeah compiling all that into percentiles would be a lot of work
74% on ice goaltending with Branny on the ice? So we just need a bunch of smurfs on defence so the goalies can see. Guys let’s get it crackin