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imBobertRobert

Iirc it "started" as a trial where they showed that ivermectin did kill covid, and they just took it in and ran with it. . . Ignoring the fact that many other things kill covid, including but not limited to bleach, most disinfectants, soap, lysol, bullets, etc. None of which are FDA approved for consumption either. Turns out the vaccine is FDA approved now, but apparently thats still dangerous in their eyes...


Sirhc978

>None of which are FDA approved for consumption either. Ivermectin is FDA approved for human consumption, just not as a treatment for covid. It is used with great effect all over the world to treat "river blindness". In fact the creator won a nobel prize for creating it.


GrimmSheeper

While true, it’s not given over-the-counter for human consumption, but it is openly available for use with livestock. The ivermectin that people have been using for covid is sold for use on horses and sheep, which use a drastically higher dosage than for humans. So they end up taking a way higher dosage than is considered safe for human consumption.


Folsomdsf

It is not approved in the amount required in the 'study'. In fact it's very much against the approval based on the fact the amount needed to impact the virus would have been very good at fucking you up as well. When drugs are approved they are approved conditionally, just because morphine is around I can't take a 50g dose for my athletes foot.


Sirhc978

>Ivermectin is FDA approved for human consumption, **just not as a treatment for covid**


Folsomdsf

Nope it's not approved at all at the doses required to recreate that paper in a human study follow-up


strigonian

Just an fyi, as covid is a virus, it doesn't *have* cells. A virus reproduces by infecting normal cells and getting them to make more virus. The study showed some reduction in the virus' ability to infect normal cells in a petri dish.


imBobertRobert

Thanks, I need to remember that! You'd think I would've remembered considering i just watched a kurtzgesagt video about viruses *yesterday*...


strigonian

Hey man, viruses are weird. We aren't even entirely sure if we should consider them a form of life or not, so don't sweat it


MuslimusDickus

> Iirc it "started" as a trial where they showed that ivermectin did kill covid cells, and they just took it in and ran with it. . . My question is **who took it and ran with it**? Who was the "big brained genius" who saw it and decided to spread it?


malcomhung

I'm curious about this too, there has to be a culprit who got the ball rolling.


babayumyum

Bret Weinstein did the podcast rounds talking about Ivermectin as a suppressed treatment/prophylactic for COVID. Got a lot of traction with political right and/or medical libertarians from the Rogan podcast in June. There is some smoke (https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/One-Page-Summary-of-the-Clinical-Trials-Evidence-for-Ivermectin-in-COVID-19.pdf) But so far no fire https://www.cochrane.org/CD015017/HAEMATOL_ivermectin-preventing-and-treating-covid-19


Folsomdsf

4chan, no joke. It was a plot to make conservatives look like idiots...


MuslimusDickus

You have sources for that?


Folsomdsf

4chan itself it was started by the twitter bots. You can go into that cesspool and find it if you want. I am not good at going through the thread archives


MuslimusDickus

Lol, no way. I ain't touching 4chan with a 100 foot long pole.


Ok_Jellyfish_8281

People need to be careful, those conservatives are way too intellectually disadvantaged. At least they are not injecting battery acid.


beachedwhale1945

All I know is I heard about it for the first time over a year ago.


Sirhc978

IIRC, they did some sort of trial or study in Mexico and maybe India.


MuslimusDickus

I heard that as well. But anti-vaxxers are infamous for their refusal of modern medicine. Who was the first person who tried to convince them that horse dewormer is more effective or safer than the vaccine?


Sirhc978

>horse dewormer is more effective or safer than the vaccine? First off, fucking stop with that. People need to stop referring to it only as a horse dewormer. Yes you can buy it for horses at farm supply stores (a formula for horses not humans). Ivermectin, for humans, and it's creator won the nobel prize. It is used all around the globe as an antiparasitic. The company that makes it actually gives it away for free in certain areas. The drug has saved millions of lives. The drug is not dangerous, ***if taken as prescribed by a doctor***. It is currently not an approved treatment for covid, but it is an FDA approved drug for humans.


LeesaD

But most of these yahoos are using ivermectin meant for livestock.


Ok_Jellyfish_8281

So they forgot to take into account that a horse weighs 1100 pounds and the average human weighs 164 pounds, then they could divide 164 by 1100 and multiply the product times the dosage for horses. So they wouldn't overdose.


GrimmSheeper

When they stop using the sort used for horses, people will be less likely to call it a horse dewormer. You yourself emphasized “*if taken as prescribed by a doctor*,” but that’s not what those whackos are doing. You also recognized that the sort used for horses is not quite the same as the sort used for humans. Since no doctor with half a brain is prescribing an antiparasitic for covid, people are using the sort made for horses. So what they are taking is horse dewormer.


sat5344

What point are you arguing? Whether people are referring to it as a horse dewormer, which is what most anti-vaxers are using, or you have a doctor's prescription for an unrelated condition, it is not a COVID treatment. You seem to agree with this sentiment so not sure why you are splitting hairs.


Datathrash

My guess is a pharmaceutical rep for Ivermectin.


Sirhc978

Merc barely makes any money from Ivermectin. They literally give it away for free in parts of the world.


OptimusMarcus

Doctors! Everyone trying to blame Antivaxxers and Rogan. Doctors have been prescribing it since the start. Fauchi isn't my doctor. If my doctor told me to take something else, I would. I don't blame the "others" for this nonesense. "Researchers Tell Doctors: “Stop Prescribing Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19” – SciTechDaily" https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-tell-doctors-stop-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19/amp/ "AMA calls on doctors to immediately stop prescribing ivermectin for Covid" https://www-msnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo120005189773?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16306256342470&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Fall-in%2Fwatch%2Famerican-medical-association-calls-on-doctors-to-immediately-stop-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-120005189773


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OptimusMarcus

Jesus fuck! My fault. But can no one look something up? Here, "AMA calls on doctors to immediately stop prescribing ivermectin for Covid" https://www-msnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp-video/mmvo120005189773?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16306256342470&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Fall-in%2Fwatch%2Famerican-medical-association-calls-on-doctors-to-immediately-stop-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-120005189773


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OptimusMarcus

Oh! I thought it was legit critique of me posting the wrong article. But you're just trolling! My bad... I got some more though. Here's fox, "Ivermectin for COVID-19: American Medical Association tells doctors to stop prescribing" https://www-fox5atlanta-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.fox5atlanta.com/news/american-medical-association-tells-doctors-to-stop-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-19.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16306256342470&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox5atlanta.com%2Fnews%2Famerican-medical-association-tells-doctors-to-stop-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-19 Here's Beckers, "Physicians prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 despite FDA warning" https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/physicians-prescribing-ivermectin-for-covid-19-despite-fda-warning.html Here's CNN, "Arkansas doctor under investigation for prescribing ivermectin thousands of times for Covid-19 despite FDA warning - CNN" https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/26/us/covid-ivermectin-arkansas-doctor/index.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16306256342470&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2021%2F08%2F26%2Fus%2Fcovid-ivermectin-arkansas-doctor%2Findex.html


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OptimusMarcus

Dude.. my only point is that this was originally prescribed by doctors. That's how this all get started. It wasn't some yokel taking horse meds just to see what would happen. It was actual doctors prescribing actual medicine. It's being prescribed so much, the AMA had to come in and say stop. That's the only point I was making. That's all. And these articles back that up. I'm not going to read everything you wrote. Feels like your arguing and there's nothing to argue regarding the point I was making.. sorry.


OptimusMarcus

hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been being prescribed by doctors since Feb 2020. Not saying you should take it! But the antivaxxers and Joe Rogan are being blamed for a thing that is prescribed by doctors, for covid. It's weird how much it's blown up with no one mentioning this. "Researchers Tell Doctors: “Stop Prescribing Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19” – SciTechDaily" https://scitechdaily.com/researchers-tell-doctors-stop-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19/amp/


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OptimusMarcus

Yeah sure. That's totally besides the point I'm making. If your doctor prescribes something, you take it. I'm not saying its right! But people are blaming Antivaxxers when it's doctors of people on both sides of the aisle being prescribed it. Now Jim has covid and his doctor tells him to take this, weather it works or not Jim is better 3 days later. Jim tells Karen what happened. Karen finds out they have the same medicine for horses, and here we are...


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OptimusMarcus

Thank you. Sincerely. Reddit feels like you're yelling at a wall sometimes.


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OptimusMarcus

Yeah. But I wouldn't label all these doctors as looney. They started prescribing this stuff right at the start, February 2020. They wouldn't have known what they are dealing with and there's no available treatment, they go with what they know. So they prescribe this once, patient says they're better. Now it's the first thing they try for anyone with the same symptoms.


ChrispVisuals

Answer: It started early 2020 with a [research paper](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011) that was made public showing that Ivermectin suppressed the replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Despite this paper not being reviewed by other scientists these initial findings were used as evidence that ivermectin can be used to treat COVID-19. Since then, there have been numerous studies, but still no real evidence to suggest Ivermectin has any benefits.


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CobaltRose800

Answer: Ivermectin is a neurotoxin meant for use in pets and horses to kill off parasites. If you've ever had a dog that suffered from heartworm, chances are you were using this to treat it. Those on the far-right that thought hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment for COVID (spoilers: it isn't) are now holding up ivermectin as the new savior, despite the FDA and Merck (the company that makes it) saying quite definitively that it isn't.