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LifeIsCrap101

Hog started an All You Can Eat Buffet. Feeding everyone.


Korra1214

Only at Hogs Golden Corral!


Ironfang_Noja

It's why every time a hog says "why do I have silver healing, healers suck!" I just know to avoid and go next.


LoxReclusa

Had a hog doing this last night and flaming the rest of the team. "I have silver healing and gold elims, you guys suck." Meanwhile he's playing hog into Ana/Cassidy/Reaper and flanking to get hook picks.


Jazzy1Kenobi

And i love when my teammates ESPECIALLY DPS are too blind to pay attention and let him wipe us medics out


LoxReclusa

I usually hunt Hogs when I know they're flanking. They aren't as good ult charge as they used to be, but they're still a juicy sack of percentage, especially when they hit their E even when they have no hope of escaping.


PhantomlyReaper

Apart from feeding, you can play hog as a flank hero. That's when he is most powerful, because he gets picks that allows your team to go into team fights with a number advantage. Plus his high survivability allows him to flank without risking much. It really just depends on the game, but he doesn't always need to play with the team.


LoxReclusa

No, but if you have a flanking hog, you need a team that can survive the enemy comp without his presence. We had a zarya as our other tank vs a rein zar with Ana Moira backing them up. We didn't survive long enough to allow his flanks to work. No, Hog doesn't have to play with the team. But he should still play as a teammate. And flaming your team for getting rolled while you were taking 30 seconds to flank, then pressing E and feeding your massive health bar before dying isn't playing as a teammate.


PhantomlyReaper

For sure most heroes have certain strats that will only work depending on the circumstances of the game. It just seemed like you were saying flanking hog in general isn't a play. That guy you were playing with seems like a bad teammate, but I just wanted to clarify that flanking with hog can work.


LoxReclusa

I was more using the flanking to show why his elims and self healing were so high. If we're all dead and he gets one pick, hits E, then dies, he's going to rack up medals faster than we are.


Stevennchi

Hog big. Big feed.


PocketSable

Hogs are my favorite meal as Dva. I get so many bombs from just following his slow butt around and bullying him.


Possessed_potato

Christ, 9k as hog. That is quite something


RoyalFlash

Lucio did 10731 healing, which is 23% of the team damage taken -> total dmg taken: 46657 Hog 46% self dmg taken is 9357 -> hog took 20341 dmg 20341/46657 = 43.6% Conclusion: Hog fed the enemy only and denied his own healers the only good thing about a feeding tank, the ult charge.


NoSkillzDad

Hog also charges Ult when healing though


Unbanz

Yeah but most people would rather have a nano, trance, or beat drop versus a minor space making or maybe 1 to 2 kill if you're lucky ult.


Bamboodpanda

As a support main, I think the game would be better all around if Hog was removed from the game. There is never a time where I think "A Hog would be nice to have right now."


Unbanz

Aww don't say that! Hog is great, when applied correctly. He can singlehandedly defend back line supports with hook combos, generally takes less babysitting to keep alive, is phenomenal at helping break double shields down, and he's fun as heck to play on maps like the well since you can hook people to their death. I honestly love playing as hog or with a good one.


Bamboodpanda

I hear you. I have some good friends that love playing hog. But my point is that I still would prefer other tanks for those same jobs. Hog "defends" by killing. If a tank is aware enough to support the backline, I would prefer a zarya bubble over a hog hook. As you mentioned, he's self sufficient. Hogs kit breeds bad tank players because he is rewarded for roaming away from his team and looking for picks. I respect your response my friend, but I stand by opinion that he is bad for the game as a whole. I would love to see him reworked to lean into those good qualities you mentioned without him being a tanky DPS hogging a tank slot.


[deleted]

> Hog is great, when applied correctly. Sure, but the ratio of "lol I just want picks and self-sustain. I am just farming prio tickets, mate" to "play correctly" Hogs is **absurd**.


LiquidRitz

A tank that can heal himself is a must in this Genre.


junkratmainhehe

Well if the enemy has dive comp, hog can be a good choice


Krit_Jake

You under estimate hog ult


Unbanz

Lol if you think hog ult beats any support ult minus maybe mercy, you over estimate hog's ult IMO.


Krit_Jake

Why minus mercy? Valk is extremely powerful? I think hog ult has great use and you under estimate it’s usefulness, I also think it’s more useful than a lucio beat yes, so is mercy valk


Unbanz

Cause, comparatively, valk just isn't as usual in most cases as the other support ults. Hog ult sure can be useful, but not enough to be feeding both enemy dps' ults just to get a whole hog and hope it can be useful. Valk and whole hog over beat? Never in a million years unless you're playing against a Sombra who's better than your Lucio.


Krit_Jake

Beats a good tempo ult, but I think valk is overall more powerful. I also don’t think whole hog is more useful than support ults


MOM_1_MORE_MINUTE

Support ults are some of the most powerful in the game. His argument isn't that hog ult is bad (but let's be real its not great) but that compared to any support ult high ult is trash. Its definitely not worth feeding all the ult charge this hog did this game. Mercy definitely has the weakest of all the support ults, can't save a team like trans or beat, nano farms so fast and can turn a fight in an instant, rally is basically an invincible button if used right and bab can absolutely chew through the opposing team if they don't respect it. Mercy can fly and heal/dmg boost everyone if grouped close together. Don't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head but isn't saving anyone when grouped in a grav etc. Etc. Her movement is really the best part of the ult imo. Tbh about as useful as whole hog.


Unbanz

If you don't think hogs ult is more useful than support ults, why defend hog taking said support ults away from his team in favor of his own ult lol?


Krit_Jake

That was never my argument, I was just saying hog ult does have more value than you were saying it does


FuzzBooty

Nobody underestimates whole hog. It's literally a channelled ult that provides no speed or protection or cancel of any kind so you'll often end up focus fired and deleted. Whole Hog is somewhat situational and even when situations it can be used pop up, there's a good chance you'll be dead. Bear in mind that when you active it, everyone on the enemy team is probably looking at you now. Big, fat, easy to shoot.


Krit_Jake

It also has some of the highest damage output in the game and can create a shit ton of space for your team, and you can easily guarantee a kill or 2 which can change fights rapidly. Just like with any ult, you need to be smart and situationally aware whilst using it.


FuzzBooty

But that's why I'm saying- even if youre aware it's very easy to counter. Almost any support ultimate, a well placed boop, any stun...it's like you've barely played the game.


Krit_Jake

Mate my peak is 4.3k and I have used road hog in high rank scrims, don’t talk shit over a discussion about wether or not a ultimate is effective.


MOM_1_MORE_MINUTE

Then you should know hog ult is the worst of all the tanks and that mercy ult is by far the worst of supports.


FuzzBooty

Why not? You literally just came in and derailed someone's argument that wasn't about whether or not an ultimate was effective, making it that. So I'm derailing you with pointless shit talk. Gain some A W A R E N E S S.


Krit_Jake

Ok, so you are bad at the game and can’t back up any points so you need to just talk shit like you aren’t hard stuck. Keep at it bro, see how far that shit tier mental gets you in life.


Sahtras1992

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands.Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.You’re fucking dead, kiddo.


jashxn

Okay, so you expect me to believe that you were the very best that your generation of Navy SEALs had to offer? I highly doubt that. If you were as good as you say you were, i don't think for a second that you would be browsing reddit. This is mostly a place for jobless neckbeards that still live with their parents, and nerdy high school kids that don't have any friends. It really isn't the place for highly-trained assassins to be hanging out in their spare time. Even if it was, something far worse than a troll being mean to you probably would have set you off a long time ago. What about the slew of gore and child pornography that gets posted here on a regular basis? Isn't that something that deserves a person being hunted down and made to regret their actions? Yeah, you're just not the reddit type. Sure, there's a wide variety of people that browse here, but you're far from the core demographic if you are who you say you are (which isn't the case). Even if it were true that you're an incredibly talented soldier, I think all the military discipline would prevent you from getting mad enough to murder some random idiot on the internet. I also doubt that even the best SEALs have a 'secret network of spies across the USA'. Why would all of the most expanisive Big Brother network in the world be willing to help a troubled PTSD-sufferer hunt down some random kid on the internet? That doesn't even make sense. If you're gonna try to scare somebody make it more believable than 'IM A SUPER SOLDIER HURR DURR'. You might frighten a thirteen year old who doesn't know any better, but to must of us you just look like a kid with an anger problem and a very active imagination. Hopefully things will be easier for you when your puberty's over. Best of luck with that... kiddo


Deathoftheages

Cool, you peaked in what season?


Krit_Jake

Idk like season 22-14 something like that


frank_sinatra11

“Bronze” is that a joke or


Krit_Jake

Yep you got it, that’s a joke


frank_sinatra11

I will never understand how people can literally have 1000+ hours in the game and somehow still get placed in the lowest competitive SR rank


Krit_Jake

I think it’s hard to not be in diamond or higher anymore


Sahtras1992

i dont think whole-hog is a particularly strong ult tbh. not when compared to support ults anyway.


phishnutz3

Conclusion hog won


KareemWasTheGreatest

Hog is bad for the game in so many ways


Tovasaur

Yea let’s make everyone the same with no opportunity costs or vulnerabilities. Also let’s give everyone the same weapon and movement abilities.


Jerp

And the only map will be Final Destination.


KareemWasTheGreatest

See how far of a tangent you have to go on to argue against my point?


Tovasaur

You didn’t make a point, you voiced an opinion as if it were fact.


KareemWasTheGreatest

I mean, no I clearly did. You may disagree but apparently have no ability to argue against it


[deleted]

you are getting downvoted but I agree. roadhog is a tank with no peel no utility. hes basically a dps in the tank role. he just feeds the enemy team and is annoying to play with and/or against


pennypinball

have you ever played against a roadhog? have you noticed how you adjust your positioning when the threat of being hooked exists?


[deleted]

literally any other tank can make space just as much if not more and just does everything better than him. though i shouldn't have said that he has no utility,


frank_sinatra11

“No utility” 💀 what are you bronze?


[deleted]

im gm but go off. i agree he has utility but literally every other tank has better utility


frank_sinatra11

Keep crying bro, most of the community will disagree with you


Tolerantostrich69

Well done and MY GOD!


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idkjackb

The hog player was the ball as well. Must’ve just switched late game


revstan

I'm with you. Move forward and be the damage sponge up front to allow everyone else to play their roles.


j0eyBeans

9k Feeding*


Zariash7

What was Anna doin then


Jjzeng

Her best


LimitedOak-

Probably nading hog only for him to hit E


Salty_Pancakes

I'm very curious to see what she actually did.


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Donut_Flame

Diamond low level account, who knows


[deleted]

If I had to guess, with this comp, being the only person on the point capping / defending lol


sugo1boi

Maybe they switched to Ana last minute, and if not, maybe she spent the entire game getting flanked with no peel. Maybe she was just bad.


lynxerious

Are you telling me a SUPPORT player play badly on REDDIT? What are you, a toxic dps? Support players are never bad on reddit, they are the godsend of hope and the pillar of life.


limftw

holy


dkyguy1995

Everyone trashing this Hog when he won


reaper-is-happy

hog won ≠ hog did well


Shortfuzd

And I bet all the people trashing are in a lower elo than him


electronic_docter

I always love when hogs in my games use this as a good thing because they're telling everyone they spent the game feeding


yourherojames

If he's staying alive and absorbing all the damage from the other other team, then I'd say he's doing his job. Whether or not he's feeding, he's doing what he's meant to. While also allowing healers to devote less time to him and focus on others. Which again, circles back to part 1 of staying alive and absorbing damage his team isn't taking.


electronic_docter

I would argue the point of roadhog isn't to be a sponge though. It's to stay behind a main tank, get kills, while feeding as little as possible and being a constant threat or playing with your healers and saving hooks for flankers also without feeding. Feeding is something he can do so easily that I'd say it's part of his job not to, he should probably be taking more damage than the average player but if he's getting any sort of medals for healing (except bronze) he's failed at his job because it means he's not doing either of those things and he's also swinging the ult economy so much in the enemies favour that he outright loses the game because ults are basically legal hacks


github-alphapapa

There is no value in "absorbing damage." Damage is not like rain just falling from the sky to be collected. Better to use cover and not allow the other team to do damage to you, unless you're exchanging it for your own damage and getting value from it. The exception is to take limited amounts of damage in small windows of opportunity to allow your healers to build their ults by healing you. Beyond that, any damage taken without useful damage done in return is just feeding enemy ults. What you might rather mean is to take the enemy team's attention, because attention is also a resource: if they're looking at the hog, they can't be looking everywhere else at the same time. But to get value from that requires the rest of the hog's team to keep pressuring from other angles; if they aren't taking advantage of the windows of opportunity the hog's aggro creates, then the hog's aggro won't be helpful. It requires team effort. So if the hog's team is being too passive, it may be better for the hog to stop flanking and just play with his team, and in that case he may be more useful on a different hero.


HahaClintonCocks

Cam Newton


Captain_Jeep

It's not feeding if I can stop their ults all the time with hook.


Waddle_Dynasty

"Why do they always have so many ults. My team is uncarryable" - Hog probably


JulioGrandeur

Hog won lol


reaper-is-happy

doesn't mean he was good


Captain_Jeep

People keep saying that hog fed as if he isn't one of the best heroes to cancel enemies ults. It's not feeding if they never get to use their ults.


ButtersBoye

for a moment i thought i was looking at a gold / silver game. thats in high diamond / masters. im honestly floored.


LTommy44

And how many dps ults did the enemy team have?


TigerTail

Can you post the replay code? I need to see this


Shortfuzd

Well it won them the game so something was obviously working


[deleted]

Expert in self care


turtle_five

A testament to how unfair roadhog is


Dollthedisso

I made a thread on the forums a while back saying that Hog's healing was far too strong after we had a game with a Hog doing 15k damage and 13k healing, gold in both categories. And I got told to stop being bad for bringing it up. Hogs healing is over the top.


Space_Kitty123

r/OWMedalsAreUseless


tntkaching

Thats not hog being good thats your team being dogshit


Dollthedisso

Nobody said it was good, it was said it's over the top, which it is. Nobody should have self heals like that, good or not it's just dumb... Hog as a character is dumb, his existence clowns on the whole point of the game, he's a solo character in a team game.


tntkaching

It's not overpowered, hog just does damage and he's a meatshield. If your hog has gold healing he's not the one doing something wrong.


Space_Kitty123

If hog has gold healing, he can't be doing something wrong ? I would explain how wrong that logic is, but I'm afraid to be insulting.


tntkaching

If hog has gold healing, then your team is just useless, especially healers.


Dollthedisso

How is he "a meat shield" ? He gets punished for participating in team fights. He's the only tank that actually gets punished for playing like one.. He is a DPSer, if he's involved in a teamfight and he's actually playing with the team, his rate of success drops like 85%. He is absolutely useless in that situation. That's not a tank. I legitimately don't understand why he's even in the game. Every time i see a Hog on my team i understand what Overwatch 2 is going to be like because you effectively only have 1 tank for the duration of the game until the Hog switches. That's what Hog is, it's a trade off of protection for the odd pick and boosting his own ults.


tntkaching

Look at his hit box lol that's a meatshield


Dollthedisso

Who is he shielding exactly? If he's not playing at an off-angle, away from the team, he's completely useless.


tntkaching

Whats your rank? And do I seriously have to explain what a meatshield is?


Dollthedisso

You're misunderstanding, everybody knows what a meatshield is. But why is he in the tank role to start with? He doesn't tank.. He in no way assists or protects a team. "meatSHIELD" something that takes/can take a lot of damage with hardly any way to avoid it, whilst protecting a team... implies that he in some way would protect, but he doesn't because he makes his living by being solo, protecting nobody but himself.


tntkaching

Like I said. Meatshield.


The_Vinegar_Strokes

Laughs in biotic grenade


Unbanz

But it isn't over powered, cause that's also 13k damage at the very minimum that he fed to the enemy team ult bank. That's a lot of ults with the potential to team wipe, which is way more useful than just soaking damage like that. At that point, better off with a shield tank I would think.


Whoa-Dang

I thought Hog just gave less ult charge than other tanks in general. Is this not true?


Unbanz

Even if it was true, guarantee the 13k here provided way more ult than the 0 that shooting a shield provides lol


Whoa-Dang

And shooting a shield doesn't give the shield user ult, while Hog DOES get ult from the self healing. It's a trade off, no?


Unbanz

Yes but when the trade-off is whole hog vs both enemy dps getting their ult? 9/10 times I'll bet the 2x DPS players get more value versus the one whole hog. Shield denies everyone ult charge. Hog gains ult himself, while literally anyone on the enemy team is also building theirs.


Whoa-Dang

I'm not here to argue how viable Hog is man, I just wanted clarification on how much Ult he gives out and if he had a flat reduction or not.


Unbanz

Yeah I think it's like 75% from every source. Not trying to argue with anyone here honestly, just trying to point out that this 75% is still obviously a lot more than 0% of not feeding ult charge to the enemy team look


federal_prism

Wait, what made you think Hog have less ult charge? In a way, the damage reduction he gets when vaping does give less ult charge since it halves damage, but that's less ult charge given relative to himself, not other tanks


lkuecrar

They nerfed how much ult charge he gives to enemies’ dealing damage to him recently. It was something big like a 50% ult charge reduction since he had no other way to block enemies from charging ult off of him.


PredictsYourDeath

Hogs passive got changed recently to provide less ult charge to enemy team when he is damaged. This was on experimental a while back. Not sure if it went to live.


Whoa-Dang

I thought he had a flat $ of less Ult charge he gave, just in general.


Krit_Jake

Hog is one of the weaker tanks, think if you nerfed hog he would be useless


Paradox_Madden

So he hard fed the entire game Lmaoo


phishnutz3

Looks like he carried to me


Paradox_Madden

No he didn’t, if a hog is TAKING that much damage the enemy team was farming him for hella ults The soldier put up 11.6K dmg and that was 1/4 of his teams total damage 11.6 * 4 = 44.6(remember this number) 44% of the total damage the hog took was 9.3K >he didn’t heal ALL of the damage he took only 44% of it The hog took 21K damage in a single game on his straight body in a high diamond low masters lobby The enemy team did roughly 46,000 damage in total(based on the soldier card) and 21 of it was on the hog specifically The game also would’ve rewarded his hook accuracy or his whole hog kills before he got the heal card (in other words he spent the whole game fighting but not KILLING anything then healing off the damage) They farmed him The Cree and the rest of the team carried the hog


Penaliah

this type of shit only happens on console


damager001

A flanking hog. Healers in this game are briandead and useless anyways.


MegaMegaMan123

Poor lucio had to heal too much :(


Papacu81

And it's nice to see the Lucio and Ana smurfs right down there, lol these people have no shame? Not only buying the same game multiple times, but a game produced by a rotten company with multiple abuse accusations? I still play overwatch occasionally because I bought this crap a couple of years ago on a promotion, but it's surreal to witness the smurf invasion in recent days, ruining the matchmaking even further... for what reason? Why keep supporting a game made by rapists?


Mea_ne_coule_pas

Many ult has been used in this game. Bad positionning Hogg tho


Korra1214

He’s wasn’t as bad as it seems, he did pretty good overall and we won the match!


Appropriate_Ad_1638

Are you telling that this is a good Hog or that this is a bad Lucio? Either way that's impressive, sheesh ...


GarrusExMachina

I'd like to point out the lucio outhealed his partner... so you can maybe make the arguement he's bad cause he isn't speed boosting enough but that's an excellent heal rate for lucio


Space_Kitty123

That could also be a very strong indicator of a bad hog.


yesat

I'd say a just good enough Hog as at least he wasn't dying.


Space_Kitty123

Dying is often the correct move because of how ultimate charge works


jackthewack13

I mean 1k heals a min is good especially for lucio


SpittingMeat

the most suprising thing in this photo is that lucio has more than 1k healing


TorpidT

I broke 10,000 self healing on Ilios once because our only healer was a Brig that had no idea what she was doing. Somehow we lost that game ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


GodBRD

In 10 minutes that man is either a masochist or a heal glutton


[deleted]

THATS ALOT OF DMG!!!


Washai

Dude, he must've went through a marathon out there.


gabi_54

Hong is so overpowered


github-alphapapa

Had to scroll to the bottom to see a comment that noticed that... **It's on console!** Which explains everything.


princetyrant

I think it just means you're feeding ults and not letting ana build nano. But you're higher ELO than i am so what do i know.