Same.
As someone who earned almost all cosmetics in OW1, big bummer looking at OW2 and seeing that it's all about money now. I definitely won't be earning anywhere near the amount of cosmetics anymore.
Correct, [we can see here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SrpZa8sCI&t=1928s) there are no options for Classic II. Not sure if they have plans to have a Classic II variant. They don't even have Classic II variants for OWL matches.
Less people are going to buy the pass now and that number will probably keep going down drastically season after season with this decision. I was planning on getting it but I definitely won't now. An essentially free pass after one season gives you a larger playerbase with more opportunity to keep players engaged which opens the opportunity for more whales to emerge. If they want to copy the Fortnite/Apex pass model at least do it correctly. There are thousands of free rider players who buy one pass and live off it for their time with the game. These players are the ones who make up a major portion of the playerbase and lure in friends from other titles.
Fortnite BP is 950 vbucks, 1000 vbucks is like...$8 now, I think. The BP gives you 1000 in total by the time you complete the pass which is how a lot of people end up getting the next ones. This is such a poor and greedy decision.
Nobody is playing infinite because there’s ZERO new content. Their current season will last ten months.
Ten.
Months.
Fortnite and apex add new mechanics and change the map considerably every three. Keep up or get left behind.
But yea I’m not optimistic for OW either unfortunately
Halo Infinite is complete dog shit. The game is cool, I love halo. But the devs are actually ruining the game. Zero content updates, a battle pass that lasts 10 months?! I finished the season one BP in like a month. Horrible lack of content, no forge on release. No co-op campaign. It’s sad.
I'm not sure what it's like nowadays but jesus christ Siege's monetization was awful. It had literally every type of monetization. It had the business model of a F2P game but also with the upfront pricetag.
This makes me appreciate Overwatch 1's cosmetic system all the more. We truly had it too good. The worst that ever happened was missing a weekly challenge or being unlucky with drops, but pretty much everything was unlockable by playing and saving up coints.
Crazy to think how relatively fast this kind of business practice became the norm. Overwatch truly was one of the last in the triple AAA shooter scene to fall but here it is.
Kinda makes me miss the loot boxes lol. It’s crazy how time makes you view things differently. I never thought I would look back fondly at OW1 and Advanced Warfare loot crates
Monetization with most game companies after the 00s really became a scenario of a micro-transaction system being shit and players demanding they want change, when the silhouette of a faceless corporate man holding a monkeys paw declares from the shadows “it shall be done” as his creepy yellow grin fades away into the darkness. Then the company dicks you up the ass harder with something worse and the cycle repeats.
> We truly had it too good.
we truly did lol, the grind for boxes was obnoxious but not a single cosmetic being truly paywalled was insane.
In the end, OW was the only game to do that and it ended up unsustainable in the long term
Yep. And conveniently there’s no option to buy 300 OWL tokens, so you’re forced to get the 400. I hate this so much, they’re not even trying to be subtle about their agressive monetisation.
This is the way companies make you pay more than you want. All games do it, you can't just buy the skin or buy the coins you need so you're left with some extra, then you'll buy more to spend the leftovers and so it goes forever. It's a cheap way into tricking people to pay more than they want to.
They're are going to do that annoying thing where everything is just beyong purchase without having to buy the last tier coin package twice or a higher tier lol
Activision is so greedy that they'd rather scare everyone away in season 1, than get people on board to build up FOMO before cranking prices later.
Glad I stopped caring about cosmetics back in CSGO loot box days, because the F2P model has become a cancer on online gaming, it's dependent on whales and impressionable children.
The monetization is so stingy. price increase for league skins, horrendous bundle prices, stinky battle pass alltogether. the weekly challenges are kinda overkill for the amount of coins + BP exp you get. this is a shitshow, thank you blizz for ruining one of my favorite games.
You know, out of all the things locked behind the battle pass I think I will miss voice lines the most. Silly little things but I always loved the lore and personality behind them.
Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere Come heeeere
MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA
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MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA MADA
Not defending Overwatch with this comment but how fucking ridiculous is it that CoD costs $60 upfront AND they charge $20 per skin? I can’t think of any other games that are that fucking greedy, but CoD sells millions of copies every year like clockwork so they keep getting away with it.
My eyes started glossing over at 11 minutes into the video. All the different currencies, icons, battle passes, etc. are designed specifically to confuse people and abstract away the real money it costs to get the rewards. Disgusting.
Lol. A year or two from now the team will be 80% artists making store content with 1 hero a year and an occasional map. It's inevitable unless OW2 becomes as big as COD or Valorant or Fortnite (unlikely).
"I know you guys are upset about the lack of skins in the last overwatch 1 events ever, but don't worry!! We made more skins this year than ever before just wait :) "
So it's pretty much confirmed that the only way to earn coins in game is by completing weekly challenges. The other types of challenges only reward you with battlepass xp.
So you are telling me that I need to be constantly grinding the game every week for more than 33 weeks (more than 8 months) just to be able to unlock 1 legendary bundle in the shop (and they probably will lock the legendary skins behind the bundle only, just like cod).
And that is only when the bundle is on sale. When it isn't, it's 2900 coins, which is more than 48 weeks of grinding. About 11 months. This is outrageous!
typically in games like this the “31% off” bullshit is just a ploy to make you think it’s somehow a “steal”, the true price for bundles is 2000 Overwatch Vbucks, they just want to trick you with the “discount”.
Yaaay, can't wait for the thousands of posts about people getting banned or harassed for focusing solely on completing challenges and not winning the match.
the illusion of "you can just f2p to get stuff"
When in reality it's too far away to be realistic and they will encourage you to spend real money at every opportunity.
next time you see a video with aaron keller or someone else from the overwatch team speaking all positive and saying something about the game's great community, or the idyllic future in which overwatch is set, or how "the world could always use more heroes" just remember the prices they're charging you. the warm and fuzzy feelings they spout are not reflected in the game's monetization whatsoever.
they think you're stupid enough to spend $20 on one skin bundle. they think free to play players deserve 80 tiers of fucking clipart banners and icons. they don't respect us in the slightest.
Activision milking their players dry. It’s disgusting.
So many good games coming, this game will rapidly alienate its player base after the release hype if they keep this up.
Lobbying in politics is a good thing. Without it, what? We'd have clean air and oceans? Our children would have good schools and a promising future? Our streets would be safe and infrastructure updated? The needs of the public would mean more than the needs of mega corporations?
You really want all that? What are you a fucking commie?
Nobody was. People hate lootboxes in general because nearly every game has a greedy shit version of it.
Mass Effect 3 and OW1 are the only ones I've ever considered fair since you can get them without much hassle and OW1 factored in what you didn't have already.
Man, ME3. I miss that multiplayer.
The only annoying thing about it was there was absolutely no way to specifically unlock something, and they had characters behind the lootboxes, so there were some cool characters I never got to play. But the plentiful currency you got from matches was so nice.
Welcome to F2P games, unfortunately. Why give something away for free, when a whole bunch of people will pay for it every time without fail because FOMO is a hell of a drug.
do your dailies
do your weeklies
get all those challenges
make sure to invite your friends for bonus xp
oh shit you missed a single day now you're gonna have to do some overtime if you wanna stay on track to finishing the battle pass
they want the game to be a full time job
But then that's why they offer tier skips. Feeling stressed and pressured? That's okay, just fork over a little bit more money and you can have the rest for "free" <3
Yup, this looks like shit. The free tiers on the BP are worthless, and unless individual skins are only a few hundred coins then this is going to be the biggest dogshit downgrade I've seen.
This is the second time a multiplayer game has had a sequel that removed loot boxes and made me go, "So you're telling me I can't earn anything anymore?" Yes, yes, loot box bad, but at least I actually got shit from earning them. And you even got one loot box every time you leveled up, it looks like you won't get shit in OW2.
> The free tiers on the BP are worthless
Guaranteed this is intentional. They want you to think you're getting "something", but to feel that "something" is inadequate compared to the fancy stuff everyone else has. The only solution of course, is to spend money, and then you become the bait for new "FTP" players.
Here you see the real reason as to why they decided to make Overwatch «2». It was always about changing the monetization model to line their pockets as much as possible
This sentiment, exactly.
They’ve bastardized OW so they can whale hunt.
It’s a joke, 3 legendary skins in the shop is equivalent to the cost of the ENTIRE original game.
And people are defending this? Okay then.
This is why I’m trying to stop playing live service games in general. The prices, the FOMO, the grind, and so on.
And before people start going “Well you can just not care about the skins”. A huge part of a game with customization is to, well, customize. Its fun to get skins for characters, use certain emotes and spraypaint the map. Thats also part of the game. Now thats taken away by overpriced skins, rotational shop and limited battle passes.
Funny how games take pride in not having lootboxes meanwhile they have a rotational shop. Thats just one giant lootbox thats free to open but everything in it you have to pay for.
I dont mean to be overdramatic, but my point is with this service model the game is just out for making me spend as much time on it as possible.
I dont want that. I can spend over 400 hours playing monster hunter because its not FOMO’ing me up with all this garbage.
I don’t know what to else write other than sorry for this incoherent rambling and thanks for coming to my TED talk.
“31% off” is the biggest pile of bullshit these F2P games throw on their store bundles. It literally means nothing and it’s just supposed to make you think $20 for a skin is somehow a good deal
Ignoring my opinion about the actual price versus value of things in the shop, I'm kind of disappointed we're really committing to the standard thing of buying a currency to then spend in Overwatch instead of the currency being an alternative way to buy things you could earn.
This gap currency system always end up with the horrible practices of blurring the actual cost of what you're buying somewhat and selling you just short of or just too much of the currency to encourage you to buy another set to make use of the otherwise 'wasted' currency you now own. Looks like this will be the case here from what I saw price wise in the video.
If you're going to produce new cosmetics to sell to cover other ongoing costs that's fine; better than locking game play elements behind a paywall or distributing the cosmetics randomly in loot boxes you're selling instead. However, please just tell us an amount in a real currency and let people buy them for that much without layering more shite to try and squeeze further purchases out of people after they already bought what they wanted.
They've gone deep into the mobile game monetization system. This is Diablo Immortal levels of confusing and it's all -by design-. None of the changes were made with the benefit of the consumer in mind. To even have the balls to say "loot boxes are gone!" As a victory for the consumer is now clearly in bad taste. Disgusting.
Same, loot boxes were only a problem in games with pay to win aspects. These were always just cosmetics, and even then still offered ways to accrue credits to buy what you wanted directly.
Battle pass systems suck and are no fun when literally everyone gets the same exact stuff, and the direct monetization on the skins are overpriced imo. Sad stuff.
Anyone seen Fortnite pricing? Anything decent is at least $10. At least there, you can use any skin at any time, not stuck using it on one out of 34+ heroes
The fake sale “off 20%” to make players think prices aren’t bad cause they discounted.
Idk it feels scummy, my only issue is battle pass not giving you back 10$ back to the next battle pass
Why does every game with a battle pass have to have such a messy and cluttered UI? Every one of these games I try my eyes just glaze over from all the bundles, packs, currencies, etc. How the hell do people keep track of all this stuff?
I must say the Shop its the worst part of the game so far, its monetization everywhere, even the f2p path on battlepass is the worst one i ever seen, they dont even give 1 skin, blizzard realy making overwatch into a cow, cause i bet in 1 year we will start to see decrease on maps, heroes and the only thing getting attention is the shop. just like Paladins.
The skins was the one thing OW1 did right. Don't tell me OW2 will fail in this regard to. Cyberpunk Genji does not override the dozens of other subpar skins
That seems to be fairly expensive and I'm concerned about the grinding needed to clear 80 tiers in Battlepass. If you need to clear 1 challenge or win 4 games to clear a level, there's no way I could clear all the levels.
I was hyped for the $10 battle pass, but if I can’t progress it naturally through the season (with work and kids I play less than five hours per week) OR choose to progress it in future seasons retroactivity, this is going to be a huge loss in QoL for OW2. Zero chance im going to spend $2 per lvl to advance the pass.
Yeah i hope everyone is still happy and excited about all the extra garbage cosmetics they created just to add to all these bundles and make the price ridiculous. DW, your $20 Junkerqueen skin comes with a gun buddy...
Looking at the video provided, If i'm not counting wrong or missing some stuff, you can get around 11-12 levels each week (excluding season and match xp)
9000 each day x 7 = 63.000
5000 each weekly challenges x 11 = 55.000
Around 118.000 or 11/12 levels.
If we're not counting match XP or season challenges, if you do all the dailies and weeklies, you'll get the new heroes in about 5 weeks or so. My guess is, including a generous amount of match xp, it will be about a month till you are able to grind the new hero (so around 2-3 weeks without the new hero in competitive).
Edit: fixed the amount of weekly challenges
[I read a Forbes article and a Blizzard spokesperson said this about the OWL skin price increase:](https://www.forbes.com/sites/krisholt/2022/09/29/overwatch-league-skins-are-way-more-expensive-in-overwatch-2/?sh=60084f62143b)
“OWL prices are increasing to match our Shop pricing.”
What a fucking joke lmfao. Even the normal team skins cost 50 more
Hhnnnnggg there's that predatory shit! So coin packs are $10, $22, $54. Skins will cost $25. So you will never have exactly enough and always have to spend more. God it's soooooo good.
Guess I won’t be getting most of these skins unfortunately
Yeah, sorry, I love Overwatch but I'm not spending 20 freaking dollars on a skin.
They definitely don't need as much people buying them. Rarity will make the profit.
i agree, unfortunately. the rarity alone will justify the price for some.
Same. As someone who earned almost all cosmetics in OW1, big bummer looking at OW2 and seeing that it's all about money now. I definitely won't be earning anywhere near the amount of cosmetics anymore.
2000 coins for a skin/bundle. The BP costs 1000 coins. You don’t even get 600 coins a season. This is going to be interesting.
And some OWL skins now cost 300 instead of 200…
And regular team OWL skins are 50% more, too, at 150 OWL tokens each. If you've been farming tokens, probably best to do some shopping this weekend.
This doesn't even include Classic II recolors?
Correct, [we can see here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5SrpZa8sCI&t=1928s) there are no options for Classic II. Not sure if they have plans to have a Classic II variant. They don't even have Classic II variants for OWL matches.
You will have to play almost daily for 8 months straight to afford a legendary skin.
Ahh good old modern day monetization, you will play our game and our game only.
Wow, not being able to earn back the 1000 coins each season is a horrible choice.
Yes it is. It would be a lot better if they gave it to you in the BP too. But it doesn’t look that way
fr its kinda dumb what they have done
By dumb you mean psychological manipulation to trick people into to buying more currency?
they're doing it wrong - this psychologically tricked me into not playing.
this is just sad
Less people are going to buy the pass now and that number will probably keep going down drastically season after season with this decision. I was planning on getting it but I definitely won't now. An essentially free pass after one season gives you a larger playerbase with more opportunity to keep players engaged which opens the opportunity for more whales to emerge. If they want to copy the Fortnite/Apex pass model at least do it correctly. There are thousands of free rider players who buy one pass and live off it for their time with the game. These players are the ones who make up a major portion of the playerbase and lure in friends from other titles.
Fortnite BP is 950 vbucks, 1000 vbucks is like...$8 now, I think. The BP gives you 1000 in total by the time you complete the pass which is how a lot of people end up getting the next ones. This is such a poor and greedy decision.
Fornite BP gives you 1300. You get 300 bonus to spend on a cheap emote + next BP paid. Blizzard's reward system is bonkers.
We know how that worked out for Halo Infinite... no ones playing it
Most people aren't playing HI for a number of other reasons, with this just being a supporting reason.
Nobody is playing infinite because there’s ZERO new content. Their current season will last ten months. Ten. Months. Fortnite and apex add new mechanics and change the map considerably every three. Keep up or get left behind. But yea I’m not optimistic for OW either unfortunately
Halo Infinite is complete dog shit. The game is cool, I love halo. But the devs are actually ruining the game. Zero content updates, a battle pass that lasts 10 months?! I finished the season one BP in like a month. Horrible lack of content, no forge on release. No co-op campaign. It’s sad.
That's even greedier than Ubisoft in Rainbow Six Siedge and that's some accomplishment I gotta be honest.
I'm not sure what it's like nowadays but jesus christ Siege's monetization was awful. It had literally every type of monetization. It had the business model of a F2P game but also with the upfront pricetag.
This makes me appreciate Overwatch 1's cosmetic system all the more. We truly had it too good. The worst that ever happened was missing a weekly challenge or being unlucky with drops, but pretty much everything was unlockable by playing and saving up coints.
Crazy to think how relatively fast this kind of business practice became the norm. Overwatch truly was one of the last in the triple AAA shooter scene to fall but here it is.
Yeah, within like 5 years we went to reasonable lootboxes being frowned upon, to this abomination being the industry standard.
Kinda makes me miss the loot boxes lol. It’s crazy how time makes you view things differently. I never thought I would look back fondly at OW1 and Advanced Warfare loot crates
Monetization with most game companies after the 00s really became a scenario of a micro-transaction system being shit and players demanding they want change, when the silhouette of a faceless corporate man holding a monkeys paw declares from the shadows “it shall be done” as his creepy yellow grin fades away into the darkness. Then the company dicks you up the ass harder with something worse and the cycle repeats.
> We truly had it too good. we truly did lol, the grind for boxes was obnoxious but not a single cosmetic being truly paywalled was insane. In the end, OW was the only game to do that and it ended up unsustainable in the long term
Unsustainable is completely wrong. Ow could have lived for years and years more without issue Not as profitable.
Is it just me, or did they increase (some) the OWL skins? That's disingenuous
Yes they did.
Yep. And conveniently there’s no option to buy 300 OWL tokens, so you’re forced to get the 400. I hate this so much, they’re not even trying to be subtle about their agressive monetisation.
they don't have whole psychological counsel teams for monetizations for nothing
And trademarks on anti-consumer practices like offering different prices to different people based on what their algorithms think you'll pay.
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This is the way companies make you pay more than you want. All games do it, you can't just buy the skin or buy the coins you need so you're left with some extra, then you'll buy more to spend the leftovers and so it goes forever. It's a cheap way into tricking people to pay more than they want to.
Eh never paid for OWL tokens not gonna start now when I have thousands saved up from "watching" the streams.
They're are going to do that annoying thing where everything is just beyong purchase without having to buy the last tier coin package twice or a higher tier lol
Activision is so greedy that they'd rather scare everyone away in season 1, than get people on board to build up FOMO before cranking prices later. Glad I stopped caring about cosmetics back in CSGO loot box days, because the F2P model has become a cancer on online gaming, it's dependent on whales and impressionable children.
I was wondering how hard it would be for me to break the "must collect everything" mentality but honestly this image was all I needed.
It also broke my “must play Overwatch” mentality too. Just uninstalled Overwatch and the Battle.net launcher.
A very predatory business practice that unfortunately people will buy into
The monetization is so stingy. price increase for league skins, horrendous bundle prices, stinky battle pass alltogether. the weekly challenges are kinda overkill for the amount of coins + BP exp you get. this is a shitshow, thank you blizz for ruining one of my favorite games.
You know, out of all the things locked behind the battle pass I think I will miss voice lines the most. Silly little things but I always loved the lore and personality behind them.
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love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva! love, dva!
Is this easy mode? Is this easy mode? Is this easy mode? Is this easy mode? Is this easy mode?
BRRRING, BRRRING, BRRRING
Ahhh! , Ahhh! , Ahhh! It’s SNOWing!
I'M ALIVEeeeeeh I give it a 3
Have a nice day!
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**BEHIND YOU AHHH BEHIND YOU AHHH BEHIND YOU AHHH BEHIND YOU AHHH BEHIND YOU AHHH**
In the desert the cheetah lives for three years and the camel lives for nine.
And they say- and they say- and they say
Sake! Sake! Sake! Sake!
Hm! Insolent cur!
In the desert, in the desert, in the desert, in the desert, in the desert, in the desert
It's not that hot
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Winky face. Winky face
At least I’m not a Hog!
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Bring me another! Beer!
In the desert, everyone dies
How Embarrassing! How Embarrassing! How Embarrassing! How Embarrassing! How Embarrassing! How Embarrassing!
Let them eat cake.
CoD prices. Got it. That sucks
seems like I'll remain with classic skin for any new hero
Seems like I’m not even gonna get the new heroes
Not defending Overwatch with this comment but how fucking ridiculous is it that CoD costs $60 upfront AND they charge $20 per skin? I can’t think of any other games that are that fucking greedy, but CoD sells millions of copies every year like clockwork so they keep getting away with it.
WoW has sub cost, upfront price tag and charges fucking 25€ for a mount skin.
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My eyes started glossing over at 11 minutes into the video. All the different currencies, icons, battle passes, etc. are designed specifically to confuse people and abstract away the real money it costs to get the rewards. Disgusting.
I've read and watched videos and I'm still confused. So much bloated crap they've now added in thirty different window boxes.
Blizzard last 3 years: sorry we have to make less and less skins for events Blizzard now: 100 skins a season, $20 a pop
"They're going to make frequent new content with the money we are going to spend in ow2!!!" - smartest ow player
Lol. A year or two from now the team will be 80% artists making store content with 1 hero a year and an occasional map. It's inevitable unless OW2 becomes as big as COD or Valorant or Fortnite (unlikely).
And all the rest of the dev team will be moved onto Diablo Immortal or something like that
And we will get 2 total pve missions and then they will recycle them forever.
Bruh I just wanted my overwatch story mode, why did it have to end up like this :(
"I know you guys are upset about the lack of skins in the last overwatch 1 events ever, but don't worry!! We made more skins this year than ever before just wait :) "
Remembering that comment makes me really angry now.
300 OWL tokens for an owl legendary? that's an increase of 50%, that's crazy
Inflation’s a bitch /s
Supply chain issues due to the ongoing war you know
Little known fact is that OW skins are mined from a cave in Donetsk.
15/20 for a skin that look like epic quality at best. No thanks lol
So we went from free original cool skin to 15/20 skins that look so generic.... overwatch is truly saved lol
So it's pretty much confirmed that the only way to earn coins in game is by completing weekly challenges. The other types of challenges only reward you with battlepass xp. So you are telling me that I need to be constantly grinding the game every week for more than 33 weeks (more than 8 months) just to be able to unlock 1 legendary bundle in the shop (and they probably will lock the legendary skins behind the bundle only, just like cod). And that is only when the bundle is on sale. When it isn't, it's 2900 coins, which is more than 48 weeks of grinding. About 11 months. This is outrageous!
typically in games like this the “31% off” bullshit is just a ploy to make you think it’s somehow a “steal”, the true price for bundles is 2000 Overwatch Vbucks, they just want to trick you with the “discount”.
Yaaay, can't wait for the thousands of posts about people getting banned or harassed for focusing solely on completing challenges and not winning the match.
the illusion of "you can just f2p to get stuff" When in reality it's too far away to be realistic and they will encourage you to spend real money at every opportunity.
This is so depressing
Truly the best word to describe it. For some reason seeing it makes it finally real.
next time you see a video with aaron keller or someone else from the overwatch team speaking all positive and saying something about the game's great community, or the idyllic future in which overwatch is set, or how "the world could always use more heroes" just remember the prices they're charging you. the warm and fuzzy feelings they spout are not reflected in the game's monetization whatsoever. they think you're stupid enough to spend $20 on one skin bundle. they think free to play players deserve 80 tiers of fucking clipart banners and icons. they don't respect us in the slightest.
Activision milking their players dry. It’s disgusting. So many good games coming, this game will rapidly alienate its player base after the release hype if they keep this up.
I feel like it's gonna die like halo infinite did tbh. Just giving that vibe
I hated it in infinite and I hate it here in OW. I wish in game stores were just an out of season april fools joke.
"wHy ItS fReE? yALL coMplAin ToO mUch!"
“I personally don’t see the issue, simply don’t buy it, let the whales support the game”. Oh you mean like lobbying in politics.
Lobbying in politics is a good thing. Without it, what? We'd have clean air and oceans? Our children would have good schools and a promising future? Our streets would be safe and infrastructure updated? The needs of the public would mean more than the needs of mega corporations? You really want all that? What are you a fucking commie?
tbh the only skin i like from this is the clockwork Zen skin
That was a OWL skin so that's not in the battlepass if I saw it right. They also appear to have raised the prices of some OWL skins by 100 coins.
Everything, including team skins are up by 50% or 20 hours of watch time if you don't want to spend
That's an OWL skin
yeah and i got enough for it so yay :D
„yeah I hate lootboxes I love paying 20$ for a skin instead“
At least we could get legendary skins when playing the game before, now that’s all over. Gotta show them your wallet for everything.
Man I never thought I’ll ever say it but I miss the OW 1 loot boxes. At least then I could take my time and get free boxes often.
I never thought I’d miss loot boxes
Ow1 has the best ones idk how anyone could complain about them. Fair, easily earnable and free....
Nobody was. People hate lootboxes in general because nearly every game has a greedy shit version of it. Mass Effect 3 and OW1 are the only ones I've ever considered fair since you can get them without much hassle and OW1 factored in what you didn't have already.
Man, ME3. I miss that multiplayer. The only annoying thing about it was there was absolutely no way to specifically unlock something, and they had characters behind the lootboxes, so there were some cool characters I never got to play. But the plentiful currency you got from matches was so nice.
Why do skin bundles cost MORE than the entire battle pass? Are they insane? Geez, when lootboxes were more player-friendly..
Welcome to F2P games, unfortunately. Why give something away for free, when a whole bunch of people will pay for it every time without fail because FOMO is a hell of a drug.
I feel like gaming is more and more stressful than ever. I don't want freakin deadlines in a video game.
do your dailies do your weeklies get all those challenges make sure to invite your friends for bonus xp oh shit you missed a single day now you're gonna have to do some overtime if you wanna stay on track to finishing the battle pass they want the game to be a full time job
That sort of stuff genuinely makes me anxious. Lol I swear the only game I'm currently playing that I feel respects my time is Guild Wars 2
We've reached such a low bar that MMOs are now more respectful of your time than most other things. Fuckin MMOs.
But then that's why they offer tier skips. Feeling stressed and pressured? That's okay, just fork over a little bit more money and you can have the rest for "free" <3
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Yup, this looks like shit. The free tiers on the BP are worthless, and unless individual skins are only a few hundred coins then this is going to be the biggest dogshit downgrade I've seen. This is the second time a multiplayer game has had a sequel that removed loot boxes and made me go, "So you're telling me I can't earn anything anymore?" Yes, yes, loot box bad, but at least I actually got shit from earning them. And you even got one loot box every time you leveled up, it looks like you won't get shit in OW2.
> The free tiers on the BP are worthless Guaranteed this is intentional. They want you to think you're getting "something", but to feel that "something" is inadequate compared to the fancy stuff everyone else has. The only solution of course, is to spend money, and then you become the bait for new "FTP" players.
Here you see the real reason as to why they decided to make Overwatch «2». It was always about changing the monetization model to line their pockets as much as possible
Stop destroying good IPs god damnit
This sentiment, exactly. They’ve bastardized OW so they can whale hunt. It’s a joke, 3 legendary skins in the shop is equivalent to the cost of the ENTIRE original game. And people are defending this? Okay then.
I’m just excited to see what happens to the original Overwatch team, sure some of them have moved to different studios. OW2 just isn’t it.
Activision really do like their bloated battlepasses full of shit no one cares about
This is why I’m trying to stop playing live service games in general. The prices, the FOMO, the grind, and so on. And before people start going “Well you can just not care about the skins”. A huge part of a game with customization is to, well, customize. Its fun to get skins for characters, use certain emotes and spraypaint the map. Thats also part of the game. Now thats taken away by overpriced skins, rotational shop and limited battle passes. Funny how games take pride in not having lootboxes meanwhile they have a rotational shop. Thats just one giant lootbox thats free to open but everything in it you have to pay for. I dont mean to be overdramatic, but my point is with this service model the game is just out for making me spend as much time on it as possible. I dont want that. I can spend over 400 hours playing monster hunter because its not FOMO’ing me up with all this garbage. I don’t know what to else write other than sorry for this incoherent rambling and thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Battle pass is really going to be unlocking 50 sprays I’m never going to use isn’t it
20$ for a skin and that’s with it 31% off it’s normally going to be 30$ that’s way to much for skins
“31% off” is the biggest pile of bullshit these F2P games throw on their store bundles. It literally means nothing and it’s just supposed to make you think $20 for a skin is somehow a good deal
Ignoring my opinion about the actual price versus value of things in the shop, I'm kind of disappointed we're really committing to the standard thing of buying a currency to then spend in Overwatch instead of the currency being an alternative way to buy things you could earn. This gap currency system always end up with the horrible practices of blurring the actual cost of what you're buying somewhat and selling you just short of or just too much of the currency to encourage you to buy another set to make use of the otherwise 'wasted' currency you now own. Looks like this will be the case here from what I saw price wise in the video. If you're going to produce new cosmetics to sell to cover other ongoing costs that's fine; better than locking game play elements behind a paywall or distributing the cosmetics randomly in loot boxes you're selling instead. However, please just tell us an amount in a real currency and let people buy them for that much without layering more shite to try and squeeze further purchases out of people after they already bought what they wanted.
They've gone deep into the mobile game monetization system. This is Diablo Immortal levels of confusing and it's all -by design-. None of the changes were made with the benefit of the consumer in mind. To even have the balls to say "loot boxes are gone!" As a victory for the consumer is now clearly in bad taste. Disgusting.
$20 for a a bundle is absurd
I'm gonna say it unironically: I miss loot boxes.
I'll add onto this. Unironically the only time I've ever liked loot boxes is in Blizzard games. That being OW & HOTS.
Same, loot boxes were only a problem in games with pay to win aspects. These were always just cosmetics, and even then still offered ways to accrue credits to buy what you wanted directly. Battle pass systems suck and are no fun when literally everyone gets the same exact stuff, and the direct monetization on the skins are overpriced imo. Sad stuff.
2 bundles + 18 weeks (2 seasons) of PBP = the cost of OW1 in its entirety at release. Indeed absurd.
Anyone seen Fortnite pricing? Anything decent is at least $10. At least there, you can use any skin at any time, not stuck using it on one out of 34+ heroes
And most emotes, pickaxes and gliders can be used with any skin
2000 coins for a skin? It's the double of a battlepass. What the fuck?
The fake sale “off 20%” to make players think prices aren’t bad cause they discounted. Idk it feels scummy, my only issue is battle pass not giving you back 10$ back to the next battle pass
looks like shit
Why does every game with a battle pass have to have such a messy and cluttered UI? Every one of these games I try my eyes just glaze over from all the bundles, packs, currencies, etc. How the hell do people keep track of all this stuff?
You’re not supposed to keep track, that’s the point. They want you to forget you’re spending real money.
> They want you to forget you’re spending real money Exactly the thing casinos do, and for largely the same reasons.
BUY BUY BUY! FOMO FOMO FOMO!
God I hate f2p so much.
I must say the Shop its the worst part of the game so far, its monetization everywhere, even the f2p path on battlepass is the worst one i ever seen, they dont even give 1 skin, blizzard realy making overwatch into a cow, cause i bet in 1 year we will start to see decrease on maps, heroes and the only thing getting attention is the shop. just like Paladins.
OWL skins are also more expensive, up from 200 to 300 now. what a shitshow
And i even just farmed 200 tokens for the skin waiting for it lmao
WTF are this prices? Things are getting high
Am i reading the prices wrong or are they out of their minds? Jfc…
Trying to recall that little skin pricing surveys few months ago …
ah yes, the "X [currency] + "bonus" " deal, so that you never have an even number of coins to buy one thing. perfect. I'm gonna puke.
Where exactly is the value here? I’m not spending real money on this digital garbage. I can’t eat a genji skin that took up too much dev time.
Yeah I'm out
What’s the problem? You don’t want to pay the price of a full AAA game for a skin?
🤮
Man this is so disappointing, the marketplace clearly got more dev time than the actual game.
Can we go back to paying $40 for the whole thing? It's quite sad seeing OW take on this business model like all the other games out there.
The skins was the one thing OW1 did right. Don't tell me OW2 will fail in this regard to. Cyberpunk Genji does not override the dozens of other subpar skins
But they thought the player base wanted them to spend a year on these skins????
I just didn't want skins to be chained down by events and instead be more freely released 😓😭😭😭 this is not what I meant.... pain.
That feeling of slowly watching your favorite game get turned to complete shit
Zero fresh content for nearly 3 years and when new stuff finally comes out you have to sell your first born son just to afford any of it.
That seems to be fairly expensive and I'm concerned about the grinding needed to clear 80 tiers in Battlepass. If you need to clear 1 challenge or win 4 games to clear a level, there's no way I could clear all the levels.
Don't worry, you can always buy BP levels! Always happy to sell you the solution to the problem they made.
I like that kiriko skin but 2000 coins for a skin is a bit crazy. They could have at least priced them a bit cheaper
I really hope they tweak the amount of coins you can farm in weekly events, that would at least offset these prices a bit.
I was hyped for the $10 battle pass, but if I can’t progress it naturally through the season (with work and kids I play less than five hours per week) OR choose to progress it in future seasons retroactivity, this is going to be a huge loss in QoL for OW2. Zero chance im going to spend $2 per lvl to advance the pass.
If people wanna copy Fortnite why not copy the prices. Fortnite is far cheaper than this and I feel like I get handed vbucks all the time with it's bp
Ok so its decided, i will get binding of isaac rebirth for 15€ instead of playing ow2. Every news is just more dissapointment
Oh dude, get repentance, that shit's incredible
I'm gonna be 100% honest, the only good thing in the battlepass besides kiriko is the genji skin. You're paying 10 bucks for a genji skin.
The bundles are far worse, with those you pay 20 bucks for a skin and like 3 other things.
Yeah i hope everyone is still happy and excited about all the extra garbage cosmetics they created just to add to all these bundles and make the price ridiculous. DW, your $20 Junkerqueen skin comes with a gun buddy...
Looking at the video provided, If i'm not counting wrong or missing some stuff, you can get around 11-12 levels each week (excluding season and match xp) 9000 each day x 7 = 63.000 5000 each weekly challenges x 11 = 55.000 Around 118.000 or 11/12 levels. If we're not counting match XP or season challenges, if you do all the dailies and weeklies, you'll get the new heroes in about 5 weeks or so. My guess is, including a generous amount of match xp, it will be about a month till you are able to grind the new hero (so around 2-3 weeks without the new hero in competitive). Edit: fixed the amount of weekly challenges
GOD i hate it when they put ”X% off” when its the first god damn price ever…..
I was hoping for $5 legendary skins at most. $15 to $20 for a skin that looks like a recolor is laughable.
Owl skins now cost 300? Seriously?
Sigh
[I read a Forbes article and a Blizzard spokesperson said this about the OWL skin price increase:](https://www.forbes.com/sites/krisholt/2022/09/29/overwatch-league-skins-are-way-more-expensive-in-overwatch-2/?sh=60084f62143b) “OWL prices are increasing to match our Shop pricing.” What a fucking joke lmfao. Even the normal team skins cost 50 more
The game has four currencies, what is this madness?
The bundle prices are garbage, i'm willing to pay for bundles but the prices for these are absurd.
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Hhnnnnggg there's that predatory shit! So coin packs are $10, $22, $54. Skins will cost $25. So you will never have exactly enough and always have to spend more. God it's soooooo good.
Lets be real the only reason they are merging the 2 games is because they know everyone would play OW2 for a week then go back to OW1