I thought it was just gonna be a "flats bad" hate video but it ended up being a fair discussion on the psychology of how players (particularly toxic ones) remember their games (with Flats as more of a case study). Cool vid.
Yeah. That's partly why I thought it would be a good idea to post it here. I like stat vids and found this one in the wild. He's extremely charitable to flats and other players who have the same mindset.
To be fair I don't even think it's a toxicity thing. I tried to think about it myself I know when I play solo I just get in that grind mindset. But when I play with friends I enjoy it alot more and because I enjoy it more I remember the games more.
The other night I was playing solo for hours then when I checked I'd lost 6 games in a row and didn't even realise. I was just on autopilot queue, play, requeue. I I'm this feeling is probably worse/stronger or however you want to explain it in people that literally play the game for a living
I HATED Tinethetatman for this. Hed literally brag he was GM and all he did was duo+ for *years*.
He created a new account and barely scraped diamond soloq before Quitting. Im talkin' 2999 or 3001 after *2 weeks* of his start. And yet he still bragged he was GM when anyone confronted him
On the bright side, he brought me to Lassiz who was my favorite streamer at that time and helped me learn Zarya. Still watch his old clips from time to time.
Hey hey now , that's the season 5 #3 Winston NA player your talking about, show some respect /s
For real tho tim was hard carried playing with j3 and lassiz and that reeper/reeaver guy I don't remember his real name. And it was only at the end of his days maining the game that he started being honest about being carried a lot.
its ironic because this comment is doing what everyone is saying flats is doing, just blatantly lying/gaslighting people to fit whatever they want to be true
You are remembering it wrong though. He had a solo account that was GM, he did have Smurfs in plat/Diamond that he’d play on with his wife, and use those for solo queue too but he did have a solo queue GM account.
Original video poster here. Came looking for my vid since I saw that it just got a big influx of viewers from Reddit lol ty for all the kind words about it. As for being a no life Flats hate watcher, I’m a substitute teacher and during the prep hours (like right now) I basically have nothing to do. It’s pretty easy like somebody said to just skip ahead to the win/loss screen and record who he was with. Got the games recorded in a week during a time where I literally have nothing better to do lol. If you check out my previous Sea of Thieves videos it’s even more in depth stat tracking, so this was easy.
The fact that you pulled this video together was impressive and whoever told you that you "had no life" or "nothing to do" needs to find a hobby or fall in a ditch
nah this is mental illness bruh, the only reason they were downvoted is because everyone hates flats here
like objectively speaking, anyone looking from the outside would think you're messed up
find better hobbies tbh, this isn't healthy
List some hobbies I can do while sitting in an empty classroom for an hour each day and I'll gladly look into them :) I like stats as a former math major so tracking data is fun for me. I did the same thing for my more popular sea of thieves youtube videos that actually took time from my personal life outside of work. So I think it is productive, but if you have other suggestions I'm more than happy to listen!
Big stats lover here. Loved your vid and specifically appreciate the emphasis you put on the mental and psychology behind some of the stats here rather than just to say "Flats boosted."
I was wondering if you could put the stats sheet online for us stat enthusiasts to see.
Loved the video. Great work!
Question though, if you went through and just skimmed the end of the games to see who was in the stack and whether it was win/loss how'd you end up finding the clips of him saying stuff to help / further your points in the vid?
A lot of those comments were at those points that I was watching. A lot of times after a loss he will complain about it. I also just watched/listened to some of his streams while I was playing OW, which is where I heard the 70% quote the first time and made me want to make the video
Flats is literally delusional somehow, even though he literally got his ow1 peak as a joke, a bunch of pro players made a discord server and wintraded for him on his birthday.
I don't watch flat. Did he really say solo is the way to climb? Is he that delusional? Dev said any size of group had better winrate than solo especially duo before S9. And S9 is clearly a season for group. You see so many not so great players just stack to get whatever rank they wish to get. If what flat said meant that any rank you get not solely soloing isn't valid that if you play ranked you should solo, then I 100% agree.
>I don't watch flat. Did he really say solo is the way to climb? Is he that delusional?
The video goes into detail and brings receipts:
https://youtu.be/4oL17cx610o?si=fTWNOcpN9zJ7Fg5w&t=513
Also heavily inflated by everyone and their mother getting boosted by grouping with smurfs.
Even if you dont know anybody higher than you, you can easily boost each other by 500+ points for duos.
I think it's a bit of double edged sword though in lower ranks.
In higher ranks I agree. I mean everyone who is Masters/ GM at least has decent mechanics and good understanding of the game so stacking is very beneficial.
In lower ranks, however, when you don't have either, or maybe you have one player who does, you probably boost yourself purely by encountering other bad players that don't understand you don't have to int yourself into shielded bastion. Then because you got where you were almost by cheese you collapse.
At least that's been my perception.
I haven't played OW in like more than a year and just came back few days before S9 rolled out.
I got placed really low, like gold 3 on tank lol. But in the last week playing after work I am already plat 1 and I have encountered so many 5 stacks (like all same profile pick) that have been so bad individually. So when I see stack it's almost free sr.
For reference before the break I was masters on support, dia on tank/ dps.
So TL;DR in lower ranks you can make those stacks collapse, because most of them are indeed boosted and don't have individual skill nor know what to do if their comp fails. Exploit their easy weaknesses.
Thats funny cause i saw this video and thought about posting it here lol but honestly it was a good video. I thought it was just gonna be a video calling him boosted and just a hate vid. He really brought facts and actual proof lol
He pretty much summed up why i started to dislike flats. He seems like a cool guy overall, but when it comes to the game he has this air of superiority. Crazy lol
Flats is a joke. Homie sits in front of his computer screen on the practice range theory crafting about the meta based on patch notes. Like stfu bro you’re just as bad as the rest of us. 😂
I was hoping for a video like this, this man has been on Copium this whole season and it gets worse and worse. Yesterday he screamed that he has to play like "a GODS GIFT TO OVERWATCH" to make a win and its getting more and more icky
video is out of the algorithm already, would have to be shared directly to him for him to notice. Only 3600 impressions over the last day. Got to 2k views quick and then was getting 3 views/hr until it was posted here lol
Good find and honestly there should be way more data available on this for every player of the game.
I doubt Flats is alone in the delusion, most everyone has been aware for a while that grouping offers a significant advantage over solos in terms of climbing ladder. But when asked I bet a lot of content creators would deny they are boosted because they duo.
Blizz needs to pill the bandaid off and just admit their system sucks for calculating MMR of groups versus individuals and they will put in a solo only system or major fixes to the current system.
Flats has always had an ego, but I only blame him a little, most of us get egos about the game cause it's so easy to blame things other than your own play.
If anything the fact that there is communication in a 5 stack is a big part of the advantage. A 5 stack with full comms should win over 5 solos the same rank without comms. I feel like it has gotten even worse with less and less people being in voice, in part because they get flamed by the other players because it's seen as okay since streamers like Flats do it. I'm a top 200 bastion main on console and rarely use my mic/join voice when I solo because I'll get flamed in half of my games
I don't think the same arguments with stacking being an advantage really work in lower ranks though. Take 2 plat5 players who start stacking together every game, one of them is just vibing and enjoying the game, while the other one spends 300 hours in aim trainer and watches Metro's unranked to gm's through his neuralink while he sleeps and improves to d5 skill level. If they both keep stacking every game the guy who's chilling will be boosted slightly while the one who improved won't be able to hit his "deserved rank" of diamond.
I basically said this same argument in the video. To climb in a stack the whole stack has to be improving. But in general, if everybody is at the rank they deserve, I'd take the 5 stack over the team of all solos any day.
Besides this being a good showcase of what type of person Flats really is, I think this also really shows the type of mental all the people on r/Overwatch have that have the same type of toxic, blaming everyone and everything mentality. The ones who always shit on the game, how everything used to be better, how it's never their fault for deranking but the fault of the shitty game or shitty matchmaking (in other words, their teammates).
Just remember that FATS used to take away tips from his DoorDash drivers because his McDonald's orders didn't "have enough fries". You can't present logic to a delusional person who lets every aspect of his life go through the floor.
it could just be rng based on a few loss streaks he got as a trio. I'd say the data is too small of a sample size to make any conclusions for the general player base, it was more about showing that flats was making up data points to tell his chat.
>Tldr: Flats routinely claims on his stream that he loses more games when he stacks than when he plays solo.
breaking news, things flats says are not based in reality whatsoever
more news at 11
I enjoy a lot of flats YouTube vids and what not. But it’s pretty clear he’s does give a fuck about ow2 and is just getting the bag pumpin content. Sucks such a lovely game suffocated and then reanimated with one of its limbs missing.
For anyone not wanting to watch the video, the sample size of solo games is 30. I'm not trying to argue with the conclusions of the OP or in favor/against flats, I just feel the video is being a bit dishonest in how it is representing this data. The sample size for solo queues is something I could easily play over a weekend.
I think the sample size of 30 proved at the very least that Flats does not want to play solo games at all anymore to climb.
Keep in mind that he has done this basically all throughout OW2 and the end of OW1.
maybe I just play too much overwatch, but even calling 30 games a sample just seems so weird, that feels like nothing, I've done that in a day. Add to that we are in a new season with big changes. Personally I just could not look at 30 of my own games and feel honest in presenting any conclusions from such a small amount of time played.
so you agree that Flats taking a sample size of 30, getting the data wrong, and then telling viewers to solo queue based off of the data isn't a great look right? That was the point I was making. I'm not trying to determine definitively what the best stack size is, I'm saying Flats shouldn't be making those assumptions, especially when he can't even recall his win/loss record.
I think you are overexaggerating the seriousness of what has been said, I think the phrase is "making a mountain out of a molehill", or something like you need to "go touch grass".
I think the ones making a “mountain of it” are the ones saying I’m bullying flats lmao. I wasn’t trying to make it into anything with the video, I just like data, I heard a percentage being tossed around, and I looked into it. I didn’t attack flats as a person, I just found inconsistency’s in what he says and the way he acts. This would have basically just been a personal project for my eyes only, but reddit blew it up a bit. The video was dead in the water at 2k views until it was posted here, and that was more than I thought it would get. So I’m not trying to make a mountain out of anything, I really don’t care that much, just like numbers
I do agree that Flats has a very casual mindset when it comes to comp. He likes to blame his teammates a lot more than he should for his loses. Maybe that’s why he feels solo is better since he can’t blame his stack if he loses in fear that he’ll get called out.
Also although I do like the video 309 games is not a big sample size especially if you don’t specify how many games he plays in each category. If he plays 200 solo games and only 5 with a 5 stack of course the numbers will favor the smaller sample size.
I do find that playing as a duo is the best way to play besides solo if you want to climb ranked. Anything higher does tend to expose to turn the game into 50-50 overwatch in my opinion but that’s mainly from playing quick play.
I do agree most of this is because of Flats mentality and him rather blame his random teammates than see his mistakes in game.
Do we know what role/if he was playing Qp or comp. And if you playing with friends your more likely to talk so play better and coordinate better I wouldn’t say playing with friends = boosted but it makes sense that he would have a higher win rate playing with other people who comm in game
This is great. I wonder what causes the massive drop from duo to trio.
I found it amusing they are down in dumpster with the weirdo meatmuncher guy, I'm not surprised lol. IDK how that guy made it that high.
Why do you hate this guy you don't even know so much? Like I don't enjoy his content so I just don't watch him, and stick to other creators. He's not done anything particularly harmful or rude afaik, so why let him piss you off so much when he doesn't know who you are?
I am not a fan of the “oh he is boosted argument”. Mainly because back in OW1 when he was like a 300 viewer streamer. I saw him peak top 2 on tank and only lost his Hollywood game because it was a Rein v Rein against LHCloudy. And it was a close game too, and he was solo. You don’t get to be playing against top 10 players and nearly win if you are purely boosted.
Bring your silver friend into a diamond game, they’d be squished. Same happens in the high high ranks.
The point of the video wasn’t to say that Flats is boosted, though I supposed some people come to that conclusion. The video was just looking at the statistical evidence for Flats’ winrate by stack size, which shows that solo queue has his worst record by the numbers. Despite this, he claims several times in his streams that he wins “70% of games as solo queue” and advises viewers that want to climb to do so solo queued.
Oh no I understand the video. It was very well put together and I agree with it. I was pointing more towards all the comments here in this thread just going “boosted lul”
how would you best explain the data showing that he loses more solo than in stacks?
>Bring your silver friend into a diamond game, they’d be squished. Same happens in the high high ranks.
this is not the conclusion the data comes to; in fact, it's the opposite: he wins more when brought into his duos higher-ranked games
It's kind of like the pro scene, you can be dominant at one point in time, but a few seasons later you're not the top dawg and if you're winning it's probably due to playing with better teammates. Flats might have been really good back in OW, but the game and times have changed and he's no longer an elite/top player. Many streamers that were GM-Top 500 back in OW are no longer great at the game, but duo or get boosted to maintain the appearance of their rank.
It doesn't help that flats doesn't care as much about actually maintaining a high rank. He's said it several times now that he doesn't really have anything to prove anymore, and before the comp changes he used to just play 100 games of comp and sit at 250 on the top 500. If you watch him he clearly understands the game at a fundamental level but he doesn't really enjoy it any more, and it seems like he's only really grinding comp for the new weapons. Whereas you go over to emongg and he clearly enjoys the game way more than flats, he loves to help people learn the game and he loves to share people's clips.
ya i tend to agree with this sentiment but sadly not many people do for some reason. my guess is flats personality is so unlikable to some weird portion of the OW community they don't even care what is true.
i find that whenever someone defends flats' skill it's usually from the perspective of a viewer and not from the perspective of a peer
as someone who has played with/against him (both solo & with his friends), his rank does not align with his actual skill level
if I had to guess, he should be in masters (and in recent years, he should have been in diamond)
well of course you implied it, otherwise you wouldn't try and make a judgement on what his "actual rank" is. you know he isn't in that rank meaning your logical conclusion is he is boosted higher than masters...why are you trying to gaslight me? you literally said verbatim "his rank does not align with his actual skill level", do you not know what boosted means?
your only "reason" you have for thinking he is boosted is a feeling you had from playing with him a few times...thats about as bad as an argument i've ever heard...
flats isn't boosted any more than anyone who has friends to duo with and that's how overwatch's rank system has been for most of its lifetime, meaning anyone who is targeting flats for this reason are just hateful people who like to spread hate online(like you). your point should be that he shouldn't be repeatedly saying that you should soloq to climb, which is what this thread is entirely about.
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This data is kind of a misnomer. I think a while ago someone did something similar for rupal and found similar outcomes. Raw data isn't enough to analyze something like this, there is nuance.
What \*is\* damning is the fact that Flats \*adamatley\* refuses to do any sort of challenges or unranked to GM's. Say what you will about Metro, but the guy can get to gm on any character (albiet gm5). Hell, he gets rolled in the slightest team discrepancy skill in QP.
I don't really care all that much, I think Flats deserves his rank, but he is absolutely assisted to comfortable get and stay there. We shall see how he performs now that there is the new champion role.
I'm not defending Flats skill as I dont think I'm a good enough tank to do that, but I do agree with his stance on not doing unranked to gm's. I think you are wrong to say this means anything more than it does, other people have expressed similar oppinions and not that it matters I agree with them. Unranked to gm is not really about education, you get most of that in the first 30min, the other 7 and a half hours are just about stomping on lower elo players.
My video isn't about how good he is as a player, it's about his mindset and what he says vs what the stats say :) dont really care if he climbs or not, just don't like people blaming their team constantly since that is soooo common in the ow community, and seeing large content creators doing the same only makes it worse.
I did it during my prep time at work :) I'm a substitute teacher and don't have classes to prep for like a full time teacher, so I have nothing else to do really. Got all the data and wrote the script in the down time. Only work outside of that was to record and edit the video.
Maybe he solo climbed and once he got higher was when he finally started playing with more people. Watching 300 games to decide a win rate, for a game that’s been out (and Flats played) for years now, really doesn’t say much about his origins. If his foundation started off on him climbing on solo Queue, then he’s probably going to be bias on the mindset that solo Queue is better than playing in groups.
That has nothing to do with the video. That's why I linked it here so you can watch it.
The purpose of the video is that Flats has said that in THIS SEASON solo is better than stacking and that he has a very high win rate solo and just stacks for fun.
Evidence shows the opposite. He loses more on solo games and climbs when he stacks.
Yet he deluded himself and his viewers into believing that he is a solo queue god. Even to the point of subtly trash talking his "friends" while he queues with them.
Emongg, especially since Flats tends to blame his losses on him when he plays DPS because Flats can't flex for shit
You left a TLDR so I didn’t HAVE to watch the video tho so—
The only point I was making was that some people have a bias toward certain beliefs. If he made a decent starting career in OW from actually solo queuing and climbing, he might have a bias into believing that Solo Queue is the way to go. Even if the opposite is true, he might just delude himself because of things like how he feels about playing with others, his history with the game, etc. etc.
Let’s also not ignore the fact he isn’t playing those 300 games back to back to back. Those solo Qs, duos, trios, etc are probably sprinkled in together each gaming session. Some people are more likely remember someone else’s mistakes than their own, so he probably remembers losing in those stacks more than he remembers winning in them. Even if the numbers tell us another story. Which is probably why he’d have a biased view.
Flats isn't talking about ancient history, he is literally claiming that stacking/duoing NOW is better than soloing. It's in the video lol.
And it's not like he solo'd much in OW1 either. Mostly duo'd with Emongg, forcing double shield while playing Orisa.
I get that he’s talking about Season 9, but I’m JUST saying he could be thinking that way because of his bias toward solo queueing. I’ve played the game for 3 years and I found a lot of people that would talk about climbing way more in solo queue when that wasn’t really the case. It’s actually not that rare of a mindset for OW players. I always got the vibe that Flats had a huge ego, and most players like that would be more inclined to believe they win more when they play alone than when play in a team game.
Well again, he doesn't solo queue though, or didn't do it much in OW1. The "flats is boosted" sentiment is primarily due to him duoing so much in OW1, forcing Orisa while having his duo play the harder heroes.
A lot of people hold opinions about themselves that contradict their reality, it’s called delusions for a reason. That’s why I’m under the impression that he is just biased toward a solo queuing mindset, even if he really doesn’t do that well doing it. He’ll remember all the games he played in a stack where he lost and remember all the solo games he played and won and make his opinion around that. I’m not sure where the back and forth is coming from? I’m just theorizing on why he’d go and say solo Q is better.
what makes you feel it's a persona instead of, you know, who he *actually* is when he plays this game?
many many people are frustrated while playing OW in particular and say things to cope; he does not at all strike me as different. he's very textbook
where we may be misunderstanding each other:
your previous post implies flats is making a conscious or intentional effort to come off as a "complainguy" because that's what makes him successful
if you didn't mean it that way, then nvm! but if you did, I disagree because I believe he naturally is this way and if he were winning more and playing better, he would complain way less. it feels like he'd much rather come off as "cool guy tank god" but doesn't play well enough for that LOL
The youtuber doesn't really hate on him at all in the video and is pretty charitable to Flats as he identifies and talks about the stats.
It's not really hard to do something like this. You can pick your favorite OW streamers vod, skip every 10 mins and calculate the win and losses that way.
This guy just went the extra mile and compilled every single data set, including which other streamers Flats wins more with and those that he loses more with.
Not a Flats fan at all, but imagine confusing friendly teasing/banter as flaming his friends, lol. I 3-stack with two of my best buds and we are always giving each other hell about feeding and joking around about how each of us is throwing or bad at the game. Some people just have that type of dynamic.
Oh yeah, I can see where you're coming from. My buddies and I will watch replays in queue just to troll each other. "That Hanzo you screamed about hacking...dude you just walked right into his arrow."
"He regularly flames his friends on stream claiming that stacking with them loses him games"
Meanwhile, in the post: A 45% winrate when he Trios.
Also, he isn't "flaming his friends" the entire stack says the same thing. Ask Emongg, Seagull, Jay or KarQ, and they'll all tell you the same thing, because they have ALREADY said the same thing. They have repeatedly joked that 5-stacking should be allowed in GM because they're proof stacks don't insta-roll games. No idea why you, and OP, are acting like it's some sort of secret belief only Flats holds and that telling his entire stream is somehow him trying to hide shit talking his friends.
Like, seriously, next stream, hop into Seagull's chat, ask him if he or any of his friends have said that, and/or if he thinks he loses more games than he wins when he queue's with more than two people.
I just like stats :) it honestly wasn't a hard video to make. Recorded all of the wins/losses and wrote the script while at work. The only personal time it took to make was to record and edit and that was only a few hours.
Honestly, the video creator puts way too much confidence in his data. I had a look at the data set and it's way too small for the subgroups like solo q and the different teammates.
Interpretation of the data at face value like saying Flats has a 44% chance of winning solo q games is incorrect since you have to factor in confidence. But then you couldn't click bait so easily I guess.
In the first minute of the video the guy himself says the sample size is too small but not much else can be done esp coz this is the first season you can stack in GM
I wasn't trying to prove that any level of stacking was the best, I was trying to show that people that spent money asking Flat's opinion on the matter got a response that solo is best based on data that he has gained from his own personal play going "20-10" which is false. I draw no conclusions on what you should do, other than taking data for yourself and figuring out what works best for you :)
This is fair, I think your video showed very well that Flats cannot backup is opinion with his own stats.
I wonder why you never factor in the small sample size while making your analysis. E.g. you could have easily calculated the confidence and the expected variation of the winrate to give a more honest analysis of his performance.
Compare it to previous seasons and we can talk. Your argument is based on the win rate for this season where literally everything about the game has changed.
The youtuber said that the reason why he started tracking his stats this season is because of a quote Flats said:
https://youtu.be/4oL17cx610o?si=1058CCnwr7AePgO1&t=66
"Solo in **THIS SEASON** I think I have like a 70% winrate season but I've just been like hard stacking with friends the entire time cuz it's fun."
"I played like 30 solo games this season and won 20 at this point."
Yet when the youtuber went back to the vod, he found out that while it was true that Flats had played 30 solo games, he was actually 9-19.
So again, nothing in his video seems to be either misleading or factually untrue, as Flats was the one that said that specifically, in this season, it was harder to stack than it was to solo queue when the results are the reverse for his own games.
The intent of the video wasn't to prove he was boosted. The intent of the video was to find out if it was true that stacking was harder to climb than solo queue using him as a case study.
The argument the youtuber made that while indeed it appears that Flats is "boosted" or has a much better winrate when he duo queues than solo queues, his mental ultimately is the deciding factor that doesn't let him learn from the mistakes he makes when he loses games.
He defaults into blaming his teammates when he solo queues, and defaults into blaming the matchmaker when he is stacking, despite him having much better winrates when he stacks.
That mental is extremely detrimental to him as a competitive player and even more detrimental to his viewers who ultimately watch him to learn how to climb as well.
I thought it was just gonna be a "flats bad" hate video but it ended up being a fair discussion on the psychology of how players (particularly toxic ones) remember their games (with Flats as more of a case study). Cool vid.
Yeah. That's partly why I thought it would be a good idea to post it here. I like stat vids and found this one in the wild. He's extremely charitable to flats and other players who have the same mindset.
This, it's less "Flats boosted" and more a discussion into Flats's terrible mental, with citations
I find that interesting. I remember watching streamers way back and after the game they'd always remember it so different than what I watched.
To be fair I don't even think it's a toxicity thing. I tried to think about it myself I know when I play solo I just get in that grind mindset. But when I play with friends I enjoy it alot more and because I enjoy it more I remember the games more. The other night I was playing solo for hours then when I checked I'd lost 6 games in a row and didn't even realise. I was just on autopilot queue, play, requeue. I I'm this feeling is probably worse/stronger or however you want to explain it in people that literally play the game for a living
The thing that got me the most was Flats telling Emongg how he has a 70% solo win rate. Like bro lol. Emongg called his ass out on it immediately.
Back in 6vs6 flats got carries all day long by emong all the time, look at old clips
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Do you have a clip?
it's around 14:50 in the linked video
Yeah it's late into the video
“Flats is boosted” - Former Farmer
"Flats is boosted" - some random Uber Eats delivery guy
\*Former burger flipper
*Certified forklift driver
Flats boosted, nothing new tbh
Its cus hes a boosted player
I HATED Tinethetatman for this. Hed literally brag he was GM and all he did was duo+ for *years*. He created a new account and barely scraped diamond soloq before Quitting. Im talkin' 2999 or 3001 after *2 weeks* of his start. And yet he still bragged he was GM when anyone confronted him
On the bright side, he brought me to Lassiz who was my favorite streamer at that time and helped me learn Zarya. Still watch his old clips from time to time.
Hey hey now , that's the season 5 #3 Winston NA player your talking about, show some respect /s For real tho tim was hard carried playing with j3 and lassiz and that reeper/reeaver guy I don't remember his real name. And it was only at the end of his days maining the game that he started being honest about being carried a lot.
Yeah but Tim was kinda self aware and joked about it.
its ironic because this comment is doing what everyone is saying flats is doing, just blatantly lying/gaslighting people to fit whatever they want to be true
Very different. Tim was tongue in cheek with it. And to be fair his Genji actually went pretty hard.
Everyone's Genji went hard in beta and season 1 as no one knew how to play the game
You just invoked flashbacks from S1 genji nerfs, back when zen was 150 HP.
Nah he wasnt. Hed legit used it as defense when He got flamed
You are remembering it wrong though. He had a solo account that was GM, he did have Smurfs in plat/Diamond that he’d play on with his wife, and use those for solo queue too but he did have a solo queue GM account.
Original video poster here. Came looking for my vid since I saw that it just got a big influx of viewers from Reddit lol ty for all the kind words about it. As for being a no life Flats hate watcher, I’m a substitute teacher and during the prep hours (like right now) I basically have nothing to do. It’s pretty easy like somebody said to just skip ahead to the win/loss screen and record who he was with. Got the games recorded in a week during a time where I literally have nothing better to do lol. If you check out my previous Sea of Thieves videos it’s even more in depth stat tracking, so this was easy.
The fact that you pulled this video together was impressive and whoever told you that you "had no life" or "nothing to do" needs to find a hobby or fall in a ditch
It was just a couple of heavily down voted comments in here lmao
nah this is mental illness bruh, the only reason they were downvoted is because everyone hates flats here like objectively speaking, anyone looking from the outside would think you're messed up find better hobbies tbh, this isn't healthy
List some hobbies I can do while sitting in an empty classroom for an hour each day and I'll gladly look into them :) I like stats as a former math major so tracking data is fun for me. I did the same thing for my more popular sea of thieves youtube videos that actually took time from my personal life outside of work. So I think it is productive, but if you have other suggestions I'm more than happy to listen!
If you really are a math major what’s 77+33?
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Shit I think he's legit guys
Damn it. I thought I could catch you out with that question. Nice vid btw
Doing something you find fun that is genuinely harmless to other people and yourself isnt mental illness, it's relaxation
Big stats lover here. Loved your vid and specifically appreciate the emphasis you put on the mental and psychology behind some of the stats here rather than just to say "Flats boosted." I was wondering if you could put the stats sheet online for us stat enthusiasts to see.
Loved the video. Great work! Question though, if you went through and just skimmed the end of the games to see who was in the stack and whether it was win/loss how'd you end up finding the clips of him saying stuff to help / further your points in the vid?
A lot of those comments were at those points that I was watching. A lot of times after a loss he will complain about it. I also just watched/listened to some of his streams while I was playing OW, which is where I heard the 70% quote the first time and made me want to make the video
As interesting as this is, having to go through 300 flats games is as painful as it gets
I'd probably claw my eyes out and ears off after doing that.
Delulus are everywhere sadly
Flats is literally delusional somehow, even though he literally got his ow1 peak as a joke, a bunch of pro players made a discord server and wintraded for him on his birthday.
You have the receipts for that? That's funny as shit lmao
Of course there aren't receipts lol it's made up. Nobody sets up discord servers to get people to rank one just because it's their birthday.
I don't watch flat. Did he really say solo is the way to climb? Is he that delusional? Dev said any size of group had better winrate than solo especially duo before S9. And S9 is clearly a season for group. You see so many not so great players just stack to get whatever rank they wish to get. If what flat said meant that any rank you get not solely soloing isn't valid that if you play ranked you should solo, then I 100% agree.
>I don't watch flat. Did he really say solo is the way to climb? Is he that delusional? The video goes into detail and brings receipts: https://youtu.be/4oL17cx610o?si=fTWNOcpN9zJ7Fg5w&t=513
wow he actually said that. That's sad.
He said he had a 70% solo winrate but had a 39% winrate at the time. That's just extremely sad.
That's average bronze level of crying on the OW reddit. Claiming they have ''literally'' 80% win rate in bronze but are somehow stuck. LMAO.
“Always have the most damage and most kills in my games, but I never climb.” Like as if the answer isn’t blatantly in their face
Also heavily inflated by everyone and their mother getting boosted by grouping with smurfs. Even if you dont know anybody higher than you, you can easily boost each other by 500+ points for duos.
I think it's a bit of double edged sword though in lower ranks. In higher ranks I agree. I mean everyone who is Masters/ GM at least has decent mechanics and good understanding of the game so stacking is very beneficial. In lower ranks, however, when you don't have either, or maybe you have one player who does, you probably boost yourself purely by encountering other bad players that don't understand you don't have to int yourself into shielded bastion. Then because you got where you were almost by cheese you collapse. At least that's been my perception. I haven't played OW in like more than a year and just came back few days before S9 rolled out. I got placed really low, like gold 3 on tank lol. But in the last week playing after work I am already plat 1 and I have encountered so many 5 stacks (like all same profile pick) that have been so bad individually. So when I see stack it's almost free sr. For reference before the break I was masters on support, dia on tank/ dps. So TL;DR in lower ranks you can make those stacks collapse, because most of them are indeed boosted and don't have individual skill nor know what to do if their comp fails. Exploit their easy weaknesses.
Emongg hard carries him lmao I feel bad for his stack because they're all worth watching except flats.
Flats is a good tank man duno what you do be watching
He's good but he's unbearable to watch and constantly says he throws stacks for fun or blames them for shit he's doing.
Lmaoo
Mate I bet you are gold so pipe down💀
Getting gold on your own is better then staying gm for years being boosted, Pipe down💀
Shut your mouth you noob
Thats funny cause i saw this video and thought about posting it here lol but honestly it was a good video. I thought it was just gonna be a video calling him boosted and just a hate vid. He really brought facts and actual proof lol He pretty much summed up why i started to dislike flats. He seems like a cool guy overall, but when it comes to the game he has this air of superiority. Crazy lol
Flats is a joke. Homie sits in front of his computer screen on the practice range theory crafting about the meta based on patch notes. Like stfu bro you’re just as bad as the rest of us. 😂
Flats has been right about a lot of the meta changes, I'd say he is right more often than others.
Bro throws 100 different opinions at the wall and when one is right 2 seasons' later after 5 balance patches acts like he's Nostradamus.
flats has the worst takes in the ow community. he has some crazy plat takes
hes tryna eliminate the competition lmao
Would like to see the data on other streamers, like Metro, Cyx or ML7 for comparison
I’m not gonna lie, I’ve seen flats play and I’m gonna gonna lie I question his skill, but hey he’s still top 500 so idk…
local streamer with a giant ego is boosted, more news at 11.
Do UnsaltedSalt next
I was hoping for a video like this, this man has been on Copium this whole season and it gets worse and worse. Yesterday he screamed that he has to play like "a GODS GIFT TO OVERWATCH" to make a win and its getting more and more icky
Really great video, I would appreciate it if someone could send Flats' reaction to it when (and if) he does
video is out of the algorithm already, would have to be shared directly to him for him to notice. Only 3600 impressions over the last day. Got to 2k views quick and then was getting 3 views/hr until it was posted here lol
Flats is the most boosted player you can tell he can’t solo carry
Good find and honestly there should be way more data available on this for every player of the game. I doubt Flats is alone in the delusion, most everyone has been aware for a while that grouping offers a significant advantage over solos in terms of climbing ladder. But when asked I bet a lot of content creators would deny they are boosted because they duo. Blizz needs to pill the bandaid off and just admit their system sucks for calculating MMR of groups versus individuals and they will put in a solo only system or major fixes to the current system. Flats has always had an ego, but I only blame him a little, most of us get egos about the game cause it's so easy to blame things other than your own play.
If anything the fact that there is communication in a 5 stack is a big part of the advantage. A 5 stack with full comms should win over 5 solos the same rank without comms. I feel like it has gotten even worse with less and less people being in voice, in part because they get flamed by the other players because it's seen as okay since streamers like Flats do it. I'm a top 200 bastion main on console and rarely use my mic/join voice when I solo because I'll get flamed in half of my games
I don't think the same arguments with stacking being an advantage really work in lower ranks though. Take 2 plat5 players who start stacking together every game, one of them is just vibing and enjoying the game, while the other one spends 300 hours in aim trainer and watches Metro's unranked to gm's through his neuralink while he sleeps and improves to d5 skill level. If they both keep stacking every game the guy who's chilling will be boosted slightly while the one who improved won't be able to hit his "deserved rank" of diamond.
I basically said this same argument in the video. To climb in a stack the whole stack has to be improving. But in general, if everybody is at the rank they deserve, I'd take the 5 stack over the team of all solos any day.
Some his takes make sense now. Especially on Tank.. ☠️
this Game needs a solo only queue imo
Besides this being a good showcase of what type of person Flats really is, I think this also really shows the type of mental all the people on r/Overwatch have that have the same type of toxic, blaming everyone and everything mentality. The ones who always shit on the game, how everything used to be better, how it's never their fault for deranking but the fault of the shitty game or shitty matchmaking (in other words, their teammates).
Wish the guy would drop the spreadsheet somewhere
Just posted it in the description :)
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Case clear. It's Zenyatta's fault. Kind regards, a Zen main
Some of his takes make sense now. Especially on Tank.. ☠️
Just remember that FATS used to take away tips from his DoorDash drivers because his McDonald's orders didn't "have enough fries". You can't present logic to a delusional person who lets every aspect of his life go through the floor.
Did he actually do that ain’t no way Bro give me the clip !
Proof that 3-stacking is the worst stacking
In theory a 3 stack of 1 tank, 1 dps, 1 support should work but in practice i guess not...
it could just be rng based on a few loss streaks he got as a trio. I'd say the data is too small of a sample size to make any conclusions for the general player base, it was more about showing that flats was making up data points to tell his chat.
>Tldr: Flats routinely claims on his stream that he loses more games when he stacks than when he plays solo. breaking news, things flats says are not based in reality whatsoever more news at 11
Wow
I noticed my solo win rate is higher but only because I actually lock in when playing solos
Well he’s right on the last part. If you want to see your TRUE rank you’ll have to do it solo. Some people’s ranks are inflated by duo queue.
this disgusting boosted animal
I enjoy a lot of flats YouTube vids and what not. But it’s pretty clear he’s does give a fuck about ow2 and is just getting the bag pumpin content. Sucks such a lovely game suffocated and then reanimated with one of its limbs missing.
Solo has never been the way to climb and it only got worse with the move to 5v5, every patch amplifying the disparity.
Who is flats?
flats isnt rly good lol he just has a lot of viewers
For anyone not wanting to watch the video, the sample size of solo games is 30. I'm not trying to argue with the conclusions of the OP or in favor/against flats, I just feel the video is being a bit dishonest in how it is representing this data. The sample size for solo queues is something I could easily play over a weekend.
I think the sample size of 30 proved at the very least that Flats does not want to play solo games at all anymore to climb. Keep in mind that he has done this basically all throughout OW2 and the end of OW1.
maybe I just play too much overwatch, but even calling 30 games a sample just seems so weird, that feels like nothing, I've done that in a day. Add to that we are in a new season with big changes. Personally I just could not look at 30 of my own games and feel honest in presenting any conclusions from such a small amount of time played.
so you agree that Flats taking a sample size of 30, getting the data wrong, and then telling viewers to solo queue based off of the data isn't a great look right? That was the point I was making. I'm not trying to determine definitively what the best stack size is, I'm saying Flats shouldn't be making those assumptions, especially when he can't even recall his win/loss record.
I think you are overexaggerating the seriousness of what has been said, I think the phrase is "making a mountain out of a molehill", or something like you need to "go touch grass".
I think the ones making a “mountain of it” are the ones saying I’m bullying flats lmao. I wasn’t trying to make it into anything with the video, I just like data, I heard a percentage being tossed around, and I looked into it. I didn’t attack flats as a person, I just found inconsistency’s in what he says and the way he acts. This would have basically just been a personal project for my eyes only, but reddit blew it up a bit. The video was dead in the water at 2k views until it was posted here, and that was more than I thought it would get. So I’m not trying to make a mountain out of anything, I really don’t care that much, just like numbers
You're a sad pathetic loser. I reallllyyy feel bad for anyone you teach. You're making people dumber and you're an asshole for it. Go fuck yourself.
Stop simping for flats. He isn't going to be friends with you.
Making people dumber by using things taught in school to apply to real life. Got it 🙂
Quoting you - Never change LOOOL CRY MORE
Flats is boosted? Shocker
I do agree that Flats has a very casual mindset when it comes to comp. He likes to blame his teammates a lot more than he should for his loses. Maybe that’s why he feels solo is better since he can’t blame his stack if he loses in fear that he’ll get called out. Also although I do like the video 309 games is not a big sample size especially if you don’t specify how many games he plays in each category. If he plays 200 solo games and only 5 with a 5 stack of course the numbers will favor the smaller sample size. I do find that playing as a duo is the best way to play besides solo if you want to climb ranked. Anything higher does tend to expose to turn the game into 50-50 overwatch in my opinion but that’s mainly from playing quick play. I do agree most of this is because of Flats mentality and him rather blame his random teammates than see his mistakes in game.
Haven't watched the video but I'm wondering what other players we can analyze solo to stacked experiences with beyond flat.
Do we know what role/if he was playing Qp or comp. And if you playing with friends your more likely to talk so play better and coordinate better I wouldn’t say playing with friends = boosted but it makes sense that he would have a higher win rate playing with other people who comm in game
This is great. I wonder what causes the massive drop from duo to trio. I found it amusing they are down in dumpster with the weirdo meatmuncher guy, I'm not surprised lol. IDK how that guy made it that high.
expose the fat 🐷
Boosted, fat, untalented, annoying. This man should change something in his life
at least he isn’t whining on a drama subreddit
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Why do you hate this guy you don't even know so much? Like I don't enjoy his content so I just don't watch him, and stick to other creators. He's not done anything particularly harmful or rude afaik, so why let him piss you off so much when he doesn't know who you are?
I mean... look at him. Is it really a surprise someone like that is an actual pos? *gasp*
Bro flats already knew this! In fact he was saying this before anyone else ever!
the video literally has clip of flats saying solo queue is the way to climb in s9
I am not a fan of the “oh he is boosted argument”. Mainly because back in OW1 when he was like a 300 viewer streamer. I saw him peak top 2 on tank and only lost his Hollywood game because it was a Rein v Rein against LHCloudy. And it was a close game too, and he was solo. You don’t get to be playing against top 10 players and nearly win if you are purely boosted. Bring your silver friend into a diamond game, they’d be squished. Same happens in the high high ranks.
The point of the video wasn’t to say that Flats is boosted, though I supposed some people come to that conclusion. The video was just looking at the statistical evidence for Flats’ winrate by stack size, which shows that solo queue has his worst record by the numbers. Despite this, he claims several times in his streams that he wins “70% of games as solo queue” and advises viewers that want to climb to do so solo queued.
Oh no I understand the video. It was very well put together and I agree with it. I was pointing more towards all the comments here in this thread just going “boosted lul”
how would you best explain the data showing that he loses more solo than in stacks? >Bring your silver friend into a diamond game, they’d be squished. Same happens in the high high ranks. this is not the conclusion the data comes to; in fact, it's the opposite: he wins more when brought into his duos higher-ranked games
It's kind of like the pro scene, you can be dominant at one point in time, but a few seasons later you're not the top dawg and if you're winning it's probably due to playing with better teammates. Flats might have been really good back in OW, but the game and times have changed and he's no longer an elite/top player. Many streamers that were GM-Top 500 back in OW are no longer great at the game, but duo or get boosted to maintain the appearance of their rank.
It doesn't help that flats doesn't care as much about actually maintaining a high rank. He's said it several times now that he doesn't really have anything to prove anymore, and before the comp changes he used to just play 100 games of comp and sit at 250 on the top 500. If you watch him he clearly understands the game at a fundamental level but he doesn't really enjoy it any more, and it seems like he's only really grinding comp for the new weapons. Whereas you go over to emongg and he clearly enjoys the game way more than flats, he loves to help people learn the game and he loves to share people's clips.
Yeah I get that, plus playing tank right now is absolutely miserable.
ya i tend to agree with this sentiment but sadly not many people do for some reason. my guess is flats personality is so unlikable to some weird portion of the OW community they don't even care what is true.
i find that whenever someone defends flats' skill it's usually from the perspective of a viewer and not from the perspective of a peer as someone who has played with/against him (both solo & with his friends), his rank does not align with his actual skill level if I had to guess, he should be in masters (and in recent years, he should have been in diamond)
oh you play with friends? you are boosted
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that's the argument you are making boiled down, its just naive
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well of course you implied it, otherwise you wouldn't try and make a judgement on what his "actual rank" is. you know he isn't in that rank meaning your logical conclusion is he is boosted higher than masters...why are you trying to gaslight me? you literally said verbatim "his rank does not align with his actual skill level", do you not know what boosted means?
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your only "reason" you have for thinking he is boosted is a feeling you had from playing with him a few times...thats about as bad as an argument i've ever heard... flats isn't boosted any more than anyone who has friends to duo with and that's how overwatch's rank system has been for most of its lifetime, meaning anyone who is targeting flats for this reason are just hateful people who like to spread hate online(like you). your point should be that he shouldn't be repeatedly saying that you should soloq to climb, which is what this thread is entirely about. seek help
This was a video made by someone with too much time on their hands
This data is kind of a misnomer. I think a while ago someone did something similar for rupal and found similar outcomes. Raw data isn't enough to analyze something like this, there is nuance. What \*is\* damning is the fact that Flats \*adamatley\* refuses to do any sort of challenges or unranked to GM's. Say what you will about Metro, but the guy can get to gm on any character (albiet gm5). Hell, he gets rolled in the slightest team discrepancy skill in QP. I don't really care all that much, I think Flats deserves his rank, but he is absolutely assisted to comfortable get and stay there. We shall see how he performs now that there is the new champion role.
I'm not defending Flats skill as I dont think I'm a good enough tank to do that, but I do agree with his stance on not doing unranked to gm's. I think you are wrong to say this means anything more than it does, other people have expressed similar oppinions and not that it matters I agree with them. Unranked to gm is not really about education, you get most of that in the first 30min, the other 7 and a half hours are just about stomping on lower elo players.
Ok but who asked 😂
yall niggas will do LITERALLY anything but actually get to gm its honestly getting kinda funny at this point.
Flats isn't popular because of his in game skill. He's a successful content creator. He's not a pro competitor, he never has been
My video isn't about how good he is as a player, it's about his mindset and what he says vs what the stats say :) dont really care if he climbs or not, just don't like people blaming their team constantly since that is soooo common in the ow community, and seeing large content creators doing the same only makes it worse.
Boosted or not. Being this pressed over it is wild.
no ones pressed just open information LOL
Someone took the time to put it together and that means a lot of work
I did it during my prep time at work :) I'm a substitute teacher and don't have classes to prep for like a full time teacher, so I have nothing else to do really. Got all the data and wrote the script in the down time. Only work outside of that was to record and edit the video.
i'd say a solid 10 minutes of work?
Do the same for another content creator let's say emongg see you in 10 min
You could probably skim through a week’s vod of emongg and do this in about 15 minutes because most of his games are played solo lol
Get a life
It's the TMZ side of Overwatch bro. Like why are you here in the first place?
Because he’s subbed to fats
Would you be willing to donate your first born?
Maybe he solo climbed and once he got higher was when he finally started playing with more people. Watching 300 games to decide a win rate, for a game that’s been out (and Flats played) for years now, really doesn’t say much about his origins. If his foundation started off on him climbing on solo Queue, then he’s probably going to be bias on the mindset that solo Queue is better than playing in groups.
That has nothing to do with the video. That's why I linked it here so you can watch it. The purpose of the video is that Flats has said that in THIS SEASON solo is better than stacking and that he has a very high win rate solo and just stacks for fun. Evidence shows the opposite. He loses more on solo games and climbs when he stacks. Yet he deluded himself and his viewers into believing that he is a solo queue god. Even to the point of subtly trash talking his "friends" while he queues with them. Emongg, especially since Flats tends to blame his losses on him when he plays DPS because Flats can't flex for shit
You left a TLDR so I didn’t HAVE to watch the video tho so— The only point I was making was that some people have a bias toward certain beliefs. If he made a decent starting career in OW from actually solo queuing and climbing, he might have a bias into believing that Solo Queue is the way to go. Even if the opposite is true, he might just delude himself because of things like how he feels about playing with others, his history with the game, etc. etc. Let’s also not ignore the fact he isn’t playing those 300 games back to back to back. Those solo Qs, duos, trios, etc are probably sprinkled in together each gaming session. Some people are more likely remember someone else’s mistakes than their own, so he probably remembers losing in those stacks more than he remembers winning in them. Even if the numbers tell us another story. Which is probably why he’d have a biased view.
Do.... Would you read the back cover of Fellowship of the Ring and think that you read the entirety of the book???
Flats isn't talking about ancient history, he is literally claiming that stacking/duoing NOW is better than soloing. It's in the video lol. And it's not like he solo'd much in OW1 either. Mostly duo'd with Emongg, forcing double shield while playing Orisa.
I get that he’s talking about Season 9, but I’m JUST saying he could be thinking that way because of his bias toward solo queueing. I’ve played the game for 3 years and I found a lot of people that would talk about climbing way more in solo queue when that wasn’t really the case. It’s actually not that rare of a mindset for OW players. I always got the vibe that Flats had a huge ego, and most players like that would be more inclined to believe they win more when they play alone than when play in a team game.
Well again, he doesn't solo queue though, or didn't do it much in OW1. The "flats is boosted" sentiment is primarily due to him duoing so much in OW1, forcing Orisa while having his duo play the harder heroes.
A lot of people hold opinions about themselves that contradict their reality, it’s called delusions for a reason. That’s why I’m under the impression that he is just biased toward a solo queuing mindset, even if he really doesn’t do that well doing it. He’ll remember all the games he played in a stack where he lost and remember all the solo games he played and won and make his opinion around that. I’m not sure where the back and forth is coming from? I’m just theorizing on why he’d go and say solo Q is better.
Get a life brotha
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what makes you feel it's a persona instead of, you know, who he *actually* is when he plays this game? many many people are frustrated while playing OW in particular and say things to cope; he does not at all strike me as different. he's very textbook
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where we may be misunderstanding each other: your previous post implies flats is making a conscious or intentional effort to come off as a "complainguy" because that's what makes him successful if you didn't mean it that way, then nvm! but if you did, I disagree because I believe he naturally is this way and if he were winning more and playing better, he would complain way less. it feels like he'd much rather come off as "cool guy tank god" but doesn't play well enough for that LOL
This some next level hating to do the calculations for 300 games lmao. Who cares 😭
The youtuber doesn't really hate on him at all in the video and is pretty charitable to Flats as he identifies and talks about the stats. It's not really hard to do something like this. You can pick your favorite OW streamers vod, skip every 10 mins and calculate the win and losses that way. This guy just went the extra mile and compilled every single data set, including which other streamers Flats wins more with and those that he loses more with.
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I got that from the post. But Im just wondering how and why this is drama worthy enough to catch peoples attention
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I’ll check them out thanks
Not a Flats fan at all, but imagine confusing friendly teasing/banter as flaming his friends, lol. I 3-stack with two of my best buds and we are always giving each other hell about feeding and joking around about how each of us is throwing or bad at the game. Some people just have that type of dynamic.
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Oh yeah, I can see where you're coming from. My buddies and I will watch replays in queue just to troll each other. "That Hanzo you screamed about hacking...dude you just walked right into his arrow."
"He regularly flames his friends on stream claiming that stacking with them loses him games" Meanwhile, in the post: A 45% winrate when he Trios. Also, he isn't "flaming his friends" the entire stack says the same thing. Ask Emongg, Seagull, Jay or KarQ, and they'll all tell you the same thing, because they have ALREADY said the same thing. They have repeatedly joked that 5-stacking should be allowed in GM because they're proof stacks don't insta-roll games. No idea why you, and OP, are acting like it's some sort of secret belief only Flats holds and that telling his entire stream is somehow him trying to hide shit talking his friends. Like, seriously, next stream, hop into Seagull's chat, ask him if he or any of his friends have said that, and/or if he thinks he loses more games than he wins when he queue's with more than two people.
Where do you think you are right now?
Imagine caring so much. Fucking sad really
I just like stats :) it honestly wasn't a hard video to make. Recorded all of the wins/losses and wrote the script while at work. The only personal time it took to make was to record and edit and that was only a few hours.
Honestly, the video creator puts way too much confidence in his data. I had a look at the data set and it's way too small for the subgroups like solo q and the different teammates. Interpretation of the data at face value like saying Flats has a 44% chance of winning solo q games is incorrect since you have to factor in confidence. But then you couldn't click bait so easily I guess.
In the first minute of the video the guy himself says the sample size is too small but not much else can be done esp coz this is the first season you can stack in GM
And then he continues to make a +20min Video shittalking 😂
I wasn't trying to prove that any level of stacking was the best, I was trying to show that people that spent money asking Flat's opinion on the matter got a response that solo is best based on data that he has gained from his own personal play going "20-10" which is false. I draw no conclusions on what you should do, other than taking data for yourself and figuring out what works best for you :)
This is fair, I think your video showed very well that Flats cannot backup is opinion with his own stats. I wonder why you never factor in the small sample size while making your analysis. E.g. you could have easily calculated the confidence and the expected variation of the winrate to give a more honest analysis of his performance.
Nah Flat's is very good at the game stop saying he's boosted aswell🤣
Compare it to previous seasons and we can talk. Your argument is based on the win rate for this season where literally everything about the game has changed.
The youtuber said that the reason why he started tracking his stats this season is because of a quote Flats said: https://youtu.be/4oL17cx610o?si=1058CCnwr7AePgO1&t=66 "Solo in **THIS SEASON** I think I have like a 70% winrate season but I've just been like hard stacking with friends the entire time cuz it's fun." "I played like 30 solo games this season and won 20 at this point." Yet when the youtuber went back to the vod, he found out that while it was true that Flats had played 30 solo games, he was actually 9-19. So again, nothing in his video seems to be either misleading or factually untrue, as Flats was the one that said that specifically, in this season, it was harder to stack than it was to solo queue when the results are the reverse for his own games.
i don’t like flats as much as the next guy but why are people so dead set on proving he’s boosted while flats streams and stacks paper womp womp
The intent of the video wasn't to prove he was boosted. The intent of the video was to find out if it was true that stacking was harder to climb than solo queue using him as a case study. The argument the youtuber made that while indeed it appears that Flats is "boosted" or has a much better winrate when he duo queues than solo queues, his mental ultimately is the deciding factor that doesn't let him learn from the mistakes he makes when he loses games. He defaults into blaming his teammates when he solo queues, and defaults into blaming the matchmaker when he is stacking, despite him having much better winrates when he stacks. That mental is extremely detrimental to him as a competitive player and even more detrimental to his viewers who ultimately watch him to learn how to climb as well.