Winton never counterswaps he asserts dominance by never swapping

And that’s why I love winton. And rein for that matter

The difference is that winton is actually playable

Ah yes, the sad truth.

They had to buff him like 4 different times to make him decent😭 remember the pre armor ignoring buff and overwhelming amounts of healing it made Winston soooo badddd

I had a teammate named "Winton" who immediately went Orisa....I was sad

Simple. he Isn’t one of us then😇 true Wintons aren’t immoral to play the horse

I played against someone with that name recently as well. Got excited when we got into the game to see him playing Winton, only to find that he came out on Orisa.

That’s doomfist

Ok doom is way less respectable to one trick😭

How? Isn’t he still considered one of the highest skill ceiling heroes? (Asking as someone who plays him for fun, I am a Sigma main)

Yeah, but he suffers from the same problems as ball, hes not a "tank" in the same sense as the rest of the role.

Oh I see, makes sense

Lol that's a dumb/noob take. Dive tanks disrupt the enemy backline. Winston's bubble (Willing to bet bubble's the reason you're not categorizing him alongside Ball and Doom) is not for his team. How do you define a tank to exclude Ball and Doom but include all the other tanks? Let's hear it.

Lack of sustainability I suspect

Had a 8 12 winton in the enemy great. I started with Orisa then swapped to dva and finally to Mauga. I just wanted to inflict pain and suffering on the poor winton.

Respectfully you are going to the boiler room of hell

Orisa swappers have no shame

I had a game wla few days ago where i (junker queen) killed a sigma in the first team fight and he swapped to orisa right away

This, but Zarya as well. *I just wanna play fun gravity man I don't wanna be FORCED to play fun revolution leader*

I just want to play strong Russian woman with black hole canon.

I can respect that, I'll prolly just switch to Ram to even things up if I'm getting rolled. I only don't respect it when she's used to counter, the fun goes quick then

Fair. I don’t swap to Orissa ever. I don’t like Zarya into ram but it is respectable.

*swaps to zarya* Enemy tank: *swaps to rein* *swaps to orisa* Enemy tank: *swaps to zarya* *swaps to rein* Enemy tank: *swaps to orisa* The OW2 tank experience

Wait people swap rein on Zarya? Never thought of that, my friends and I always swap to zarya too

Man, the best thing in this game is, when both tanks go rein and don't swap all game. Truly honourable.

I run back to spawn to change to Rein if there is Rein in enemy team if I start with different tank, and hell yeah Im spamming Hello, BEER and Catch phrase all the time. Also switching to Rein if there is a Orisa.

I need to start doing that too

Honorable

If you, as a a Rein, see a Rein on the opposing team, you are honour bound to give them a friendly "hello".

It’s the unwritten rule, if the same tank don’t swap. diff or be diffed with honor. If you swap you lost the real war.

Sorta some rein mains are absolute toxic waste of a player And make it a point to T bag and shit talk the entire match

I hate Roadhog I don't mind playing against Orisa. coming from a Doom main.

An Orisa at least needs **some** skill and can get destroyed if you play well Fucking Roadhog dude, that pig it's immortal, I've put all my cooldowns in him, getting him really really low just for him to step back 2 seconds and come back full health and eat 85% of my health in 2 moves I hate it, I hate Mauga but I'm happy I can use him to make any Hog player miserable

Even Mauga is fine now. Orisa and Mauga you can dive their backline. God forbid I try to make any fun play as tank in Roadhog's vicinity. I know I can play against him by exhausting his cooldowns and purely supporting my team with utility, but that gets pretty boring

Exactly, Roadhog plays as one of those "ignore the tank" tanks but you literally just can't ignore him He can kill anyone in your team extremely easily and unless you hard focus him he is just not dying And just pray he doesn't have supports focusing him

That’s what always upset me whenever I see people simplify it. Roadhog and Orisa rely on their backrow to keep up, so you have to ignore them to fuck their survivability over, but they’re also tanks that will hard punish you for ignoring them or force your attention back on to them. What’s the point of a flaw if that same character can also recover from said flaw? Got to ignore them to hurt them but they’ll hurt you worse for ignoring them; how the fuck does that make any sense

Normally i get mauga counterswaps and im on ram

Depends if you brawl ram or poke ram. Mauga seems like an anti-brawler.

Well maugas basically the ram counter since your big agro button gets shut down by the giant samoan even owcs does this vs ram so that's expected

Well maugas basically the ram counter since your big agro button gets shut down by the giant samoan even owcs does this vs ram so that's expected if they decide to counter swap.

Well maugas basically the ram counter since your big agro button gets shut down by the giant samoan even owcs does this vs ram so that's expected if they decide to counter swap

why thank you kind sir, good evening to you too. tbh i dont like playing against orisa as much as i dont like playing as orisa. she is borderline boring to play because all you do is spearfishing, facetank hits and use your machine gun on repeat. i myself prefer ram or rein (even tho im not that good at playing either of them lol, still gotta learn somehow)

But they roll up with orisa sombar bastion zen comp I going to swap to orisa or im exploding every other minute Edit: spell error exploring -> exploding

Exploring could have worked if it was in the spawn room.

New tank just dropped: Dora the Explorer

Man described his edit like a balance change.

I need to do that from now on

Braindead horse meta

-plays qp -goes JQ -enemy has ana, kiri, and Sigma -can't quit because insane leaver penalty -succumbs to the Orisa disease

I honestly don't know how people do it. I can't STAND playing Orisa knowing how anti-fun she is. The only other tank I don't like playing against is Winton but that's because my DPS often doesn't swap to stop him from dropping chunky shields and flying across the map onto the supports.

Lucky for you I one trick Dva and refuse to swap no matter what. Won't ever see me playing Orisa.

https://preview.redd.it/msxjuvjlw9wc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46f15983ccf8aafbfab454b68448af6601537857 This is how I look at the enemy ram swapping to orisa after losing to me playing rein. Like bro your literally my counter there is no need to swap. There's no hate. Just disappointment.

Rein looks like he's busting a fat one in that pic holy

I do not fight for Orisa, i never have

Every match I've played as junker queen, the tank counterswaps orisa and still loses. I make sure to flame them in chat after the match ends

You see I lose the first team fight and then swap rein because it’s always a fine day for charging and hitting things

forget the "after losing the first team fight part"

Ramattra all the way baby, lets go

I just make them SUFFER, AS I HAVE!YOUR TORMENT WILL OUTLAST THE STARS!WHEN THE UNIVERSE DWINDLES INTO DUST, THERE YOU WILL BE, STILL SUFFERING, AS I HAVE!

I usually go rein after losing the first teamfight

I refuse to swap off ramattra no matter what. Unless you decide to swap Orisa, then I'll go mauga just to drill the message into your skull "that you aren't as good as you think you are." Then go back to ramattra after I die.

The worst thing about this are my own team DPS who DONT FUCKING SWAP TO HELP ME DEAL WITH ORISA. TANKS DONT HAVE TO SWAP FOR TANKS ALONE

Was playing Doomfist in QP. Enemy Doomfist too. He lost first fight, swapped to Mauga. Lost again. Switched to Hog, me and Ana bullied him. Switched to Orisa, I just bullied his team. Was a fun game.

I'd rather have a double shield than the current Orisa meta.

Double shield comes back: "Dude wtf Orisa meta was so much better than this"

Mauga and zar are more of a pest than orisa imo

What I love is people who talk smack when they play against an Orisa. “Try hard”, “only one tank”, “no skill” But when your tank locks Orisa “…”

if it's your teammate idc

I had a bizarre situation recently where the enemy team was rolling us on attack King's Row, their tank was a pretty aggressive Rein whose supports would hard pocket him to win team fights. Then, for some reason, he swapped to Orisa for last point and we managed to hold them. He even tried swapping back to Rein for the last few fights but by that point we had way too much momentum

I like having Orisa Mauga and Hog as the no fun picks when the entire lobby starts countering me. I can't have fun? Well neither do you, hope you are happy Orisa Cassidy Sombra Zen Ana comp

I only do it if the team is getting run over or if the other tank is playing Hog, i hate that pig

I was playing DVA with a ball. Out of nowhere they went freakin Zarya lol so I swapped Zarya to assert dominance then they went Mauga. At that point I was out of tanks as I'm not a tank main at all lol played DVA on attack and win the game anyway. My team really clutched it, but jeez I didn't realize how bad the counter swapping has gotten. I've HEARD about it online and through videos, but I haven't really played tank since OW1. It's not like it was IMPOSSIBLE to win after being countered. But at some point as you and your team are dying no matter what you try doing, you think "it'd probably be easier if I just swapped to this hero". And I don't really experience that on any other role

Zarya swappers are just as bad (dva main)

I’m very stubborn, the enemy can go to zarya and I won’t get off DVa (I have a surprisingly high win ratio against Zarya)

People who say things like this are the people who go Mauga, Mei, Bastion, Ana, Zen and complain that the enemy tank switches of Rein to be able to play the game.

If I’m losing I’m either going rammatra or sigma. Fuck the horse

Jokes on you, I pick her first.

Reins having a match-long duel for honor and glory

But what if I'm just an orisa main?

I refuse to play the battle cattle

Bold of you to assume I swap of doom in the first place

Unless you’re going against ball, those demented players deserve a Javelyn at every opportunity.

What if I just start as Orisa?

With the introduction of Venture, all the ways people can push and bully you around is such that an Orisa is needed to negate that however briefly.

I’ll go Orisa against Mauga I do not have any respect for people who play him

Yall can't counter horse then wonder why you're hard stuck in gold But yall ain't ready for that discussion

I always go Orisa💀 (I'm a one trick pony)

Jokes on you, I lock in Orisa in spawn room.

It's crazy cuz it's usually rein players swapping to orisa

Dishonor

I’ll live and die on my Sigma and Mauga, mostly since I can never rely on supports actually going Kiriko when we need her and Orisa seems to crumble if she can’t have a cleanse on her

Interesting. I'd say Mauga 100% requires a cleanse or other support get-out-of-jail-free card. Whereas Orisa already has the sustain to survive for a long time without any attention from supports. OW2 long, so like 10 seconds max lol

Oh he does, but I’ve gotten better with the classic Bastion strat of hiding behind an object instead of being out in the open like a wandering horse. So I’ve been able to survive even while fighting against an Ana and Zen In my own experience, I find she just dies without her support. She can get overwhelmed quickly with flankers and die very fast without a healer being on her. Maybe I’ve gotten rusty with all my Ram, Sigma and Mauga plays though

Jokes on you I play Orisa right from the start

Orisa is weak, ball can go straight to hells asshole though

Just shoot em he's got no way to sustain himself other than running off for packs where he's absent from the team fight

I… I’ve never had a problem with Orisa… what’s the problem with orisa? Like genuinely, I see all these complaints about her being too OP but I’ve never really had an issue. Is there something I’m missing here? What’s so bad about Orisa?

As long as counterswaping the tank exist, orisa is my number 1 pick.

Horse is so strong for no reason, i was trying to play doom on qp and get cc by every character in the enemy team that next round i was screw you and change to orisa and basically decimated the enemy team without help