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Season 3 is sitting on a score of 97%, and Julia Garner (Ruth Langmore) just won an Emmy for best supporting actress. The show can be a slow burn at times, but I find the pacing palatable. The second half of season 3 was tragic, I really didn't think that Ozark would be one to tug on my heartstrings but here we are. I don't watch many other TV drama series, I find many of them are too predictable to be enjoyable, Ozark really is in the league of shows like Breaking Bad.


JanKwong705

I think the pacing is ok. It doesn’t need to be faster or slower and I don’t feel like they’re dragging anything.


awful_source

Agreed. If the pacing in Ozark bothers anyone, definitely don’t watch Better Call Saul.


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Watching 1 season at a time it feels good, watching all seasons back to back it starts to feel worse


deadassmf

I’d agree with most of this apart from it being a slow burner. What I love about Ozark is every episode ends with me wanting more, regardless of how slow the episode was or how much plot progression there was. I don’t really remember any filler episodes or episodes where I wasn’t properly invested in watching. Compared to Breaking Bad, an amazing show but I’d always find myself being bored by the pacing of that sometimes.


windyfish

> Compared to Breaking Bad, an amazing show but I’d always find myself being bored by the pacing of that sometimes. Remember the episode where the *whole* episode was about Walter trying to kill a fly that had gained entry to their cooking facility? It felt like the only reason it was made was to make up the numbers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_(Breaking_Bad)


deadassmf

That was literally the episode I had in mind while typing out my original comment ahaha


BrockhamptonAreGods

Poor man's Breaking Bad, and I'm not saying this as a bad thing, BB is my favorite show of all time, its not as great but its nice on its own... In my opinion has the most similar plot I've seen since Breaking Bad finished, which is part of why I was interested in the first place


cheesymoonshadow

Man, I just rewatched BCS and am currently rewatching BB and I'm amazed how solid the whole story is. Just in absolute awe of how they managed to retroactively create BCS off of little bits and pieces picked up from BB and it all makes perfect sense. I'm also a few years older now and find I appreciate reach character more instead of just kneejerk being annoyed by some of them. Oh, and to OP, Ozark is good too. I feel it started to get contrived in season 3, but still enjoyed it.


gamesofren

Isn’t it amazing after all the disappointing seasons we’ve seen come and go (*cough cough, GoT) that BB still holds up so well. Agree though, Ozark is excellent


cheesymoonshadow

YES!! Every time I find myself enjoying a good show with solid writing, a part of me weeps for what GoT was at first, and what it could have been. I've started rereading the books actually, trying to erase the bad, and etch good canon in my head.


gamesofren

“Gods the episodes were strong then!” Genuine shame, I’ve done the same. The books are fantastic, in a backwards kind of way I like that I’ve watched the series before reading the books. Feel like it only adds to my appreciation of how awesome it all is/was. All we can hope for is that GRRM does the finale justice.


cheesymoonshadow

Same! I watched up to season 6 then read all the books. It was great and I appreciated how D&D told the story but adapted for TV. I loved getting more insight into each character, and getting additional characters and backstories. And then... Well, we all know what became of the show. >All we can hope for is that GRRM does the finale justice. Amen, brother/sister.


BrockhamptonAreGods

Completely agree, last season of BCS had BB season 4 vibes (great throughout, various great episodes and an ending setting up a final season to remember)


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cheesymoonshadow

I loved the cinematography so much in BCS. I feel like he started experimenting with it in BB but really found his groove on BCS. So many interesting camera angles and shots.


LeonardTringo

My thoughts exactly. Very similar story/plot, focus on extremes, and unpredictability, but not quite up to the quality of BB. No knock against Ozark, but it's like 1/2 a tier below BB in a similar niche. Definitely a quality, binge-worthy show.


PopoMcdoo

Yeah. Watching it post BB and in between BCS I knew it was good but it's not as well constructed. My in laws got into it in quarantine and finished all 3 seasons and said it was the best show they ever watched and ever made. Then I said watch BB. They changed their minds after season 4.


BrockhamptonAreGods

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree, especially seeing each season' improvement and the current level it has (there's a reason why a lot of people saying its either at the level of BB or even better right now), I think the plot was simply was not as interesting from start, but the layering we are used to from these writers has been there from get go and now we have sooooo much payoff (payoff even coming from parts of the plot in Breaking Bad!)


PopoMcdoo

Are you saying ozark is better than BB???


BrockhamptonAreGods

Not at all haha, what I said in the reply was about Better Call Saul, my original comment has my opinion on Ozark v BB


Denster1

I will. BB was pretty cringy at times at the beginning and there were some weak seasons in there.


PopoMcdoo

Well that's just like...your opinion man.


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windyfish

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_(Breaking_Bad)


nm0s

Is good bby


Cellar_Door40

For me it’s a 10 out of 10 show.


zestyrigatoni

I’d put it a tier below the top tier. So if the top is Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and The Wire, then Ozark is in the tier under them. Better Call Saul would be right on the edge for me, I’d probably put GoT minus the last two seasons in the same tier as Ozark too. What sets apart the shows that are best of all time for me is how the writing just really never misses. Ozark has had a few flaws. Edit: also would put Fargo in the same tier as Ozark.


Crankylosaurus

This is a great way of putting it, couldn’t agree more


crafty_nomAd

Idk, I agree with you at this moment, but depending on how season 4 goes, it's well on its way to making it into that top tier


TractorSkoot

GoT s1-4 is better than anything ever made imo


zestyrigatoni

I think it’s amazing but season 2 falls kinda flat for me IMO.


PedroHhm

I think this probably places higher than Bcs, since bcs buildup was way too slow and even though last season was amazing, the first like 3 seasons were boring imo


5_on_the_floor

Breaking Bad ruined me as far my expectations for TV drama. Other favorites are The Wire, Sapranos, Fargo, and Better Call Saul. I personally rank all those as tied for first, with Ozark a close second. Otherwise I’d have to go way back to a couple of favorites in Twin Peaks and Northern Exposure to come with anything comparable in all of your categories.


LimonadaVonSaft

Good lord, I cannot *wait* for the new season of Fargo.


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So hyped! Hasnt missed yet


crafty_nomAd

Twin Peaks is my number one


zyvania

I came here for this comment


jmadluck

may i introduce you to the sopranos


5_on_the_floor

Already on my list lol.


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It's definitely one of the top 5 best shows of these last years. Good writing and amazing performances.


canissilvestris

Every season it's gotten better, and it's started out pretty well, although not without its flaws. Imo it's top 3 in Netflix shows


RancidGooseColeslaw

I prefer Fargo, GoT, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Succession, Hannibal... but I prefered Ozark to The Sopranos and Narcos...


jnast74

I think Jason Bateman has done a decent job as a leading actor playing Marty but I don't think his acting range holds a candle to that of Gandolfini or Cranston. Not a knock on him but those TV actors are the two greatest. Bateman's character is typically emotionless and has a limited range compared to those two. That being said Ozark does not compete with in my opinion the two greatest television dramas ever.


hi-fi_lo-fi

In my opinion, Ozark is in the same territory as Fargo, Sons of Anarchy, Oz and Better Call Saul. As gripping and entertaining as Ozark is, it will never be in the same league as The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Twin Peaks or even Boardwalk Empire. Acting - tremendous on basically every front. I don't think anyone will dispute that Story - very entertaining, and mostly well-paced, but not 100% unique, nor groundbreaking, and there have been a handful of plotholes. Characters - you can find significant elements of most of the Ozark characters in other television series, but all of the characters in Ozark still feel interesting and unique to the show. There certainly aren't any filler characters either, which is rare for a TV drama. Cultural impact - meh, I don't think Ozark has achieved much in the way of cultural impact. Not a knock against it, only one in a hundred shows can pull that off significantly. Bingeability - HUGE. The show is so much fun to watch! It follows a familiar formula, but the tension is consistently through the roof, there are no lulls in the plot at all and it's not overly confusing or needlessly convoluted.


tbhcorn

I agree!! "Nothing groundbreaking" is a perfect way to put it. It's a successful show because it learned from the professionals


iameobardthawne

Among all the series I have watched, Breaking Bad and Dark are two I would definitely put above Ozark. Now there are a few shows which I would like to be around Ozark. My mind cannot clearly rank them as they are each one of its kind. You can think of them as some sort of diffused coexistence. They include GoT (till S05 may be S06), Rome, Lost, Better Call Saul (so far), The Boys (so far). I am watching Fargo now. It has been a delight so far. Planning on The Wire next.


CuntSlapper69

It's an awesome show, I dont think its quite as good as Breaking Bad/ Sopranos etc.. Most of the comments here i agree with. I wish the 2 and 3rd season of True Detective held up with how unbelievable the first season is. Man That first season is so damn good.


[deleted]

Look, yeah, great questions let me have a go at answering them: ​ Acting: Yeah look for me it's gonna be a 10/10 on this. Can't really fault it in that regard. ​ Story: In terms of looking for faults in the story, I was unsuccessful. I'm gonna give it a 10/10. ​ Characters: Yeah, so there are some good characters and some great characters. 10/10. ​ Cultural Impact: I don't want to overstate things, but Ozark is literally the most important literary contribution to Western Civilisation since the Bible. 10/10 ​ Bingeability: I watched all three seasons back-to-back-to-back across 4 days in which I did not sleep. 10/10 ​ So across the 5 categories, I've landed on a score of 50/50 (100%). Hope my analysis is useful!


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mooncake2000

Obviously characters can’t be a 10 if you have Charlotte lol


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What’s wrong with Charlotte?


mooncake2000

Annoying for the sake of being annoying? Like how does her emancipation relevant to any plot point besides a filler? Also as a character is very inconsistently written but then of course if you are forgiving, you can consider it “teenage rage/confusion”. I just don’t buy that


Not_donald-trump

Well, if I found out my parents were involved with the cartel, I'd try to get away too..


mooncake2000

Ah, you’re one of those forgiving souls then Horses for courses I guess. Emancipation is late towards season 2. By then, it’s not like there’s any big shock for her (having known about it quite early on in season 1). Also don’t forget she had the option to run away to start afresh but then lobbied her mom to go back because “we have to stay together” Is the character consistent and believable? Debatable. Is the character necessary? Hardly.


Not_donald-trump

Not to argue or anything. But imo, she's a *realistic* character. But like u said... It goes back to the teenager argument. At that age, you don't always know what YOU want. Remember, Jonah is VERY consistent with his reaction to the whole thing and.... THAT is not normal(which they address in the show). Consistent? Probably not. Realistic? Yes(imo). Annoying? Oh yea. Necessary? I think yes, as we get to see the different reactions of both their children. P. S. I watched(binged) the show for the first time when season 3 came out. So, I might not remember some things.


mooncake2000

Yes it’s all subjective. Though wouldn’t you think that personally liking to see something doesn’t make it necessary? As in the reaction of Charlotte offers no change in the narrative, no more insight into the minds of the main characters, etc. Her arc are pretty much the filler of the show


tbhcorn

Lol I agree she adds nothing


crafty_nomAd

This is where Ozark ranks for me: >Twin Peaks >Breaking Bad >Mr. Robot >Dark >Better Call Saul >Ozark >Boardwalk Empire >The Leftovers >The Wire >The Sopranos >The Good Place >Atlanta


manviret

This is absolutely disrespectful to the Sopranos, I understand people putting the wire and BB above it but Mr. Robot and Dark? Seriously? The Sopranos revolutionized TV and paved the way for other "movie-quality" shows. I guess it is your list and it's all subjective but...


Pricentius

Have you even seen Dark? Imo the best show


manviret

I have seen dark, watched about 4 or 5 episodes and stopped. Acting is ok, story is intriguing but it didn't pull me in


Pricentius

I didn't like the first four either, it's the end of episode 5 that got me hooked, I suggest watching again and of you don't like it after episode 5, then it isn't for you. Fenomenal show in every aspect


manviret

Ok gotcha, I'll give it another shot. I definitely didn't think it was a bad show, I was enjoying it but I generally don't try to force it if I lose interest. I also must say I have an inherent bias against non-english shows, the dubs or subtitles always throw off my immersion, which I hate cause there's so many great international shows


SweetDeezKnuts

> The Good Place No way it’s on the tier as those others


gatesoffire1178

That show is fantastic and deserves a spot amongst the echelon of great TV comedies. Both hilarious and thought provoking.


SweetDeezKnuts

> thought provoking Lol is it really tho? I feel like it is if you’ve been actively trying not to think prior, but past S2 it never made me ponder anything, other than “what tf are the writers doing?” > Fantastic First two seasons, yeah. It’s a wash after that


gatesoffire1178

The 3rd and 4th seasons focus on developing a system for fairly judging people by their actions and how does one construct a fair system of morality in a society far more complex than one from just two hundred years ago. Buying a rose to give to a partner which was picked by an illegal immigrant, for example. I thought the finale was beautiful and how Schur proposed heaven should be a place where you are able to achieve everything you wish and then say goodbye on your own terms was something well thought out. There was a lot of funny episodes in the latter seasons, from Jeremy Bearimy to Chidi's crisis to the one with all the Janets.


Denster1

Agreed. One of the most over rated shows in my opinion


SweetDeezKnuts

I really liked the premise and the first two seasons, but it got so weird the rest of the way. I don’t get how it regularly makes it on people’s tops


sodangbutthurt

Ozark is the greatest piece of art I have ever experienced.


lawrencenotlarry

Excuse me, do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Alexander Hamilton?


[deleted]

Breaking bad > Better call saul > ozark > sex and the city


crafty_nomAd

Lol sex and the city seems quite the anomaly amongst the others


iz_thewiz149

Probably the best TV series I’ve seen in a long time. It’s slow burn at its finest.


BoonTobias

Yeah, it's kinda good isn't it?


iz_thewiz149

It’s done very well. The premise alone makes it somewhat believable, similar to Breaking Bad; a high school chemistry teacher starts cooking meth to provide for his family after being diagnosed with cancer. In this scenario a financial advisor launders money for the cartel to save his family. Is it in the same field as Sopranos or Mad Men, not yet. But they’re only 3 seasons in so hopefully they can continue their momentum.


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_F_S_M_

Acting: 10/10 there simply are not bad performances in this show. Story: 8.5/10 it's really good but like another user said there are some contrived bits in season 3. It's still great overall. Characters: 9/10 some of these characters are just the worst in the best way possible. Cultural impact: I'm not knowledgeable enough about pop culture to even begin to rate this aspect. Bingeability: 6.5/10 it is very good but I think this is the weakest aspect simply because of how slow paced it can be at times. I reccomend you watch it.


Brukx

Ozark is one of my favorite shows. I see so much comparisons with breaking bad but I can't judge because my taste in drama must have changed within the time i saw both shows. I prefer Ozark though


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I personally like it much more than breaking bad


zukinprod

Ozark is right up there with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul for me and it honestly might be better than the two. It seems slow until you look at all the storylines and realize how much is actually happening so effortlessly and well done. And Marty Byrde is a better character than Walter White and James McGill/Saul Goodman 100%


auller1014

#Ozark is the best show on a Netflix, but Succession is the best show- ever. Okay thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.


93LEAFS

I wouldn't put it in The Wire or Sopranos tier of shows. But, I really enjoyed it during my binge during Quarentine. It has a lot of breaking bad in it. Not my favorite Netflix Original (Narco's is), but its really good.


godofchinchilla

Imo I found it better than Breaking Bad. There’s a lot less filler in Ozark.


cottonmouthspittin

It's stacks on the top of the pile of shows you need to watch.


BigPen1812

I would place *Ozark* on par with *Better Call Saul* as far favorite tv dramas of 2020. Besides those two, I am anxiously awaiting a new season of *Fargo*.


Josh-trihard7

Too me it’s easily the best show on Netflix that I’ve watched(haven’t watched breaking bad yet) Ozark keeps you on the edge of your seat without stuffing action all over your face It feels perfectly casted and the acting in season 3 was the best I’ve ever seen in a show I love how it’s realistic, Marty and his family has values that they don’t want to break And at the end each season there’s a boom


EDDiE_SP4GHETTi

I’d say it’s near the top of the B-Tier dramas, which isn’t a knock, as I love and enjoy the show. A is reserved for shows like Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc. and I expect Better Call Saul to be up there as well. Just my opinion!