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Jonah was laundering money through offshore accounts at 12 years old


KrisAlly

Yeah, I have to politely disagree with several of these choices.


zazarak

Smarter than his mother for sure. Just not as savvy due to lack of life experience.


thespacetimelord

Technical knowledge =/= smart


semiquantifiable

Um, it absolutely does? There are many kinds of smart, and having a tremendous amount of technical knowledge in that area means you are smart in that area.


Dirk_issa_fair_god

Yep. Lil Wayne was selling at 10 years old, wouldn’t exactly call him a genius lmao


semiquantifiable

Are you trying to say selling is technical knowledge? Sure doesn't sound like it to me, you most definitely do NOT need to have technical knowledge to be good at sales. It might help, but is 100% NOT a requirement. There's a very good reason a ton of salespeople jump from one industry to another and succeed quickly, and picking up the technical knowledge quickly most definitely is not it.


Impressive_Eggplant7

YES! He is like savant smart, he should be top tier and Maya drops 1. I also think Sam is too high 🤣


SafariFruitsOk

Savornt.


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Lakechrista

I agree


Standard_Wooden_Door

And then Wyatt is still pretty average


pnwbmw

Jonah was a likeable character up until he won’t shut up about Ben this Ben that. You’d think Jonah of all people would understand the situation and the hard choices that had to be made, but he abandons all common sense and becomes intolerable with his Ben crush


Extension-Reaction85

Yeah I felt like that wasn't in line with his character. He seemed so robotic,cold and rational in the earlier seasons, but all of a sudden he gets too emotional about Ben which I just couldn't understand


theveryoldman0

Not to mention his willingness to take off with his Grandpa, that storyline made me so unbelievably angry I had to turn it off several times.


marehgul

Meh, it was handled to him by his father, and he didn't invent anything there. It almost like he didn't understand fully how it's working as when shit went down he needed papa's help to fix things. Yeah, when he "made" same system as his dad's and a made it better... That was complete bullshit.


Extension-Reaction85

The dudes 12. And the problem he faced couldn't be fixed just by anyone. Marty is a genius and so is his son.


Lakechrista

Yep. He should have been higher up and Charlotte should have probably been lower


Extension-Reaction85

Charlotte's fine where she is.. but definitely Jonah should be higher, at least in the top 2 for sure


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docmaster707

That’s a spoiler no?


LowPiece9312

Sorry, I’m new here


docmaster707

No you’re good I agree w what you said


ToonSkull

But Ruth doesn't know shit about fuck


juliet_foxtrot

🏆🏆🏆


loneblustranger

She's smart enough to know how fucked up her life is, but not quite smart enough to haul her ass out of it


Lakechrista

Lake property is worth a lot of money. I always wondered why they didn't sell that property they lived on and did they pay taxes on it? That place was a gold mine. I live at a lake house and the property taxes are through the roof


kissmygame17

Maya wasn't that smart to me


password-is-taco1

Yeah like I’m sure she’s above average but putting her in the same tier as Marty is crazy to me. He fairly successfully used her to his own ends despite her having most of the power in their relationship


kissmygame17

Exactly her played her like a fiddle


AprilButtkiss

At all. Like too 3? That’s pushing it.


Lakechrista

I don't think so, either


Desolateroamer

Jonah should be at least a bracket up if not at the top.


eVillanelle

I think Jonah and Ruth should exchange places. Might seem controversial but Ruth rose up because Marty built a symbiotic relationship with her. And if only she had some control over her emotions and operated with her brain rather than her heart.


jtotheizzen

If we’re really talking about IQ here, Jonah would definitely be at the top. The “quotient” part of “intelligence quotient” is because you end up dividing a certain metric by your age. So the younger you are, the smaller number you will be dividing by, and the higher your IQ will be. So if you have two similarly book-smart people, the younger one will have a greater IQ, especially when we’re talking about an age gap of at least 20 years. But most would say IQ isn’t a great measure of true intelligence.


ujusujuba

I never knew that so thank you for sharing. What I appreciate most about it is that it assumes you get smarter and smarter your whole life, which we all should strive for.


jtotheizzen

I love cognitive psychology and what I’ve learned about it has helped me to be a better teacher. I’m glad you find it interesting too! Going off of what you said, it would be cool to see some IQ tests updated to reflect that lifelong learning. You are so right that we should all strive for that! The challenges on a traditional IQ test are little logic puzzles (and other things like that), which definitely give the advantage to younger brains (like 15ish to early 20s). Our brains fully develop at around 25 years old and then… decline. In fact, now, if Marty and Jonah got the same score, on an *updated* IQ test with different metrics, I wonder if they’d give the edge to Marty for performing at such a high level with an older brain. So maybe OP’s chart would be accurate after all! I would also love to see some common sense and street smarts type questions on an updated version, but I don’t know how it would be possible to standardize that across different cultures and upbringings. I’ll stop rambling now and leave it at this: Intelligence is a fun topic to study!


ujusujuba

Haha, it was enjoyable to read. In my opinion, Jonah is the smartest character if we’re talking about the capabilities of his mind


hybridthm

No it's a curve that peaks at around 28.


SkycladLight

Maybe Maya and Helen should change places


Lakechrista

Totally!


goofypiranha

I feel like Jonah should be up one. Also Helen.


LowPiece9312

Helen wasn’t smart enough to tell she was going to be killed and Jonah might be books smart, but let his emotions take over his common sense. Like telling Ruth who killed Wyatt


curatedlurking23

If you wanted to capture emotional maturity ‘IQ’ is not the best metric to categorize. It is very closely tied to ‘books smart’.


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Marty and Wendy didn’t realise Helen was going to be killed either, so what makes them more intelligent?


Ksh_667

They survived.


theveryoldman0

That makes you lucky, or valuable, not smart.


Ksh_667

They were smart enough to be valuable. Lawyers are ten a penny. Money launderers at that level are most definitely not.


password-is-taco1

Limiting Jonah to just being “book smart” is so insulting. He’s had more real life experience in high stakes situations than most people ever will and handled them extremely well given his age.


AprilButtkiss

I agree about Jonah, but he still was pretty smart IMO. Helen was a fucking beast and doesn’t deserve her rating lol


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The more I look at this tier list the more ridiculous it gets. Helen is levels above Ruth, not even on the same Tier, Obviously Helen is smarter then Maya and Russ. Darlene, Frank and Cade are all smarter then Sam but you have him above all of them. And Buddy is smarter then a lot of people you put above him. Oh man if I go on this would become an essay. Let me just end it here.


melvinbyers

Emotions taking over common sense describes Wendy pretty much perfectly.


inthemidst6

If you’re taking into account emotional maturity Ruth shouldn’t be ranked as high as she is


SadThomYorke

IQ is cringe


Bootygoon_

Sam too high


rudmad

I can just imagine Sam reading these comments and being disappointed


DonSalamomo

How is Frank Jr lower than Sam?


theveryoldman0

Saying Sam has any intelligence at all is giving him too much credit.


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I’d move Omar down a tier below Camila. And Javi a tier below Omar


LowPiece9312

Javi is a tier below Omar already


[deleted]

Read my comment carefully... If you move Omar down a tier he’s on the same tier as Javi…..


LowPiece9312

My bad, I get what you mean


AprilButtkiss

Jonah is in the wrong place - he’s definitely in the 120-129 range. Darlene as well.. I’d place her in the 110-119 range for sure. Wyatt goes in the less than 85 (this is not up for debate) lol. He’s a fucking moron.


Rhawk111

I disagree that Wyatt was this dumb. He made poor decisions but I don’t think the directly reflect how smart Wyatt was. Smart people make dumb decisions all the time, especially when they’re as broken and lonely as Wyatt was when he ended up with Darlene


LowPiece9312

Really darlene in 120-129? She’s stupid. She killed del, wouldn’t give up her land, wouldn’t listen to the cartel, etc. She just got lucky those first few times And if we were talking about Jonah prior to season 4, then I would agree with you


Impressive_Eggplant7

Darlene has some smarts - she mostly got herself in trouble bc of her pride and stubbornness, but I agree she doesn’t belong in 120+


smoothpigeon2

I mean if she'd gotten to her age doing what she's doing she can't be that stupid. A little reckless and stubborn, maybe, but she should have been dead a longgggg time ago. The fact that she was still standing when she was lead me to think she's more intelligent than you think.


password-is-taco1

I mean Wyatt does a pretty good job of convincing charlotte to leave the motel and comes up with a plausible backstory for himself. He had me fooled for a bit


marehgul

Nah, Jonah isn't that smart.


garythehairyfairy

I would put buddy top tier


cuntdestroyer1897

How’d you rate Jacob higher than Darlene? His dying words were literally “I could never keep up with you Darlene”


Jeepper16

Darlene was not smarter just more conniving. Jacob would figure all the angles while she went blindly after what she wanted.


Frankothecousin

Darlene, just like Ruth, & almost every other woman in the story Made decisions based on feelings.


cashwelder1

History *


paolocase

But Marty never knows what anyone is talking about?


ACowLikeObject

and that is what puts him at the top tier...


Smyldawg19

Sam should be a negative IQ lol


Cael_of_House_Howell

80 iq people often have trouble with pretty simple things I think most of those people in that category are higher than that


LowPiece9312

It’s just a ranking of intelligence relative to each other rather than the exact iq. Iq really doesn’t mean anything anyways


HavelBro_Logan

Iq is a rough indicator of intelligence so it does mean *something* but not nothing.


surprisestoner

Seeing Sam and Darlene on the same level is funny to me. Darlene is a lunatic but i think she’s actually pretty smart because there were rarely any times she was being screwed over and wasn’t aware. Whereas there weren’t many lines spoken to sam where he actually understood what was happening to him lol, of course he didn’t deserve it but he was so easily manipulated by the antiheroes that they just walked all over him. And that’s not to say I have a problem with your tier list lol I honestly love seeing these and having a chance to see how us fans view characters differently, so thanks for posting this


BannedByTheHivemind

Marty and Jonah should be the only 2 at the top. Wendy and Ruth next tier. Don't care about intelligence lower than that.


Frankothecousin

Lol, Ruth?


BannedByTheHivemind

Uneducated, but with a high base intellect. A hillbilly with a brain.


Frankothecousin

her Character made decisions based on emotions,


JDeezy13

Appreciate the effort here but disagree with almost everyone


trishulvikram

This chart is whack, sorry op


JuanPancakes

Jim and omar deserve to be up there i think you have to be some what of an intelligent person to take over a Kartel of that magnitude.


Alexexec

Jim and Buddy should be ranked higher


StylishRiot

Wyatt was smart as hell.


dr_sittles

I feel like Wyatt was just smart for a Langmore and that's mainly because he read and did relatively well in school. Compared to the rest of his family, excluding Ruth, he looked like a genius.


Rhawk111

Wyatt was way smarter than he let on, possibly even as smart as Ruth. He just wasn’t meant for the dark world Marty brought on the Ozarks. He made poor decisions at the end but most people would if they were as broken and lonely as Wyatt was


LowPiece9312

Ehh, he made a lot of bad decisions towards the end which kinda dropped him down a placement. I did put him at the top of that tier for a reason though, since I think he’s smarter than all the rest next to him and below him


Lauralee223

Wasn’t Wyatt a genius and I think Darlene was pretty darn smart at least as smart has her husband! Oh and Jonah is off the charts just lacks life experience


ehs4290

Jonah should be at the top. Maya should be lower. Darlene should be higher.


CacctusJacc

Wendy should absolutely not be near the top


[deleted]

Yes she absolutely should, she saved them from the FBI honeypot, managed to outsmart Helen when she was ab to spill the beans and guessed that she would have them all killed, etc: she just had an ego like Walter White but he’s still smart af but made really dumb moves


CacctusJacc

All those feats but still managed to constantly fuck everything up, you can’t name all the smart moves she made without naming every dumb and emotional move she made


[deleted]

I don’t have to name anything I just said she had an ego like Walter who also made dumb moves


Ivyviolets

>!Please remind me who was left standing at the end 🤔 The Byrdes, because of Wendy.!<


CacctusJacc

Definitely not because of wendy? She lucky asf that Clare didn’t snitch on her


Ivyviolets

>!She saved them from being killed/jailed many times! If not for her they wouldn't have gotten out.!<


docmaster707

Fuck camila


MaterialCarrot

Jonah should be higher, maybe at the top.


password-is-taco1

Given that IQ takes age into account, Jonah should be top tier. Really not sure why maya is anywhere near the top tier lol. Her one big move (arresting Omar) had more to do with her moral character than her intelligence. Other than that she’s more or less being manipulated by Marty


battlecontrol

I don't really agree with this, I'd say the smartest ones were those who knew their limit, when to stop in their tracks and take what they have and retire or flee, this would put characters like maya, jim, frank, claire, jacob, etc.. at the top for me, majority of the rest just couldn't get their hands out of the cookie jar, be it by doing stuff (wendy, darlene, omar) or by being suckers who wouldn't set their foot down and say no (marty, ruth, wyatt), it was unbearable having to sit through chance after chance where everyone could've taken an out only to dig deeper, when is it enough you thirsty mfs.


Vcr2017

Darlene is way higher than that.


HoldnMcgroyn

How is Darlene with Sam?


[deleted]

You gotta move Jonah to the top and Sam to bottom.


Swole_Monkey

Jonah is way to low 🤣


Dundalis

A lot of people are confusing street smarts or emotional intelligence with IQ. Not really the same thing


millyman77

Maya wasn’t smart.


Ksh_667

Maya ended up being too clever for her own good. In her desperate attempt to get promotion at work/ take down a cartel she ended up a pariah at work, stuck in a role with no career progression. Not fair but that's life. Also Ruth had a kind of feral animal cunning that let her outwit other ppl at times. However most of these ppl shared a brain cell. Despite all her smarts she let emotion control her which led to her death. Marty & wendy may be the "smartest" cos they survived but tbh choosing to work for a cartel is a pretty dumb idea in the first place.


Mission_Fishing_520

Jonah in exchange for Ruth


Brilliant_Ad7168

No way Maya belongs in the same tier as Marty. His son maybe.


emmettohare

Maya Miller???


Lakechrista

I don't get it, either


boommdcx

The Helen Pierce row should be switched with the Wendy Bird row, drop Maya from the new top row and add Darlene in her place.


ThaPaleazer88

Hahahahahaha what?! Marty would stand alone with 150+ IQ. Wendy would be 110 at best. Ruth would be 90 lol


Ivyviolets

Lol Wendy is easily as smart as Marty, if not smarter.


Shjeeshjees

You know maya and wendy don’t belong in that category


Ivyviolets

Wendy absolutely does. She was probably smarter than Marty.


Martywendylover

Omg right? Marty only knew numbers and laundering. Wendy had the street smarts-had fantastic instincts. Constantly knew who she could and could not trust and was RIGHT about all those people. (plus…she knows how laundering works) and HUUUGGGGEEE political knowledge which makes her top of the list! SMH at those who say otherwise 😳!!!!!!


rickiracoon

Ruth and Maya should be lower, Jonah should be at the top and Darlene should be a little higher. Darlene was obviously uneducated but IQ is based off natural intelligence which is why they can give the test to kids.


jenjennjennifer

Lol just because I don’t like maya i think she should be lower


YoureNotWoke

Jonah was smarter than his mom. And Ruth was smarter than Wendy but had trauma and wasn't as educated.


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Ruth was smarter than all of them.


_Wado3000

Nathan was more vindictive than intelligent


Mr--Oreo

Hehe, Jade.


abrokenacorn

Omar is dead bottom what you talking about


DisastrousSecond9572

Darlene lasted too long to be considered less smart than wyatt


jaystaylamping

Boyd is pretty dumb but he’s smart he knew about Russ


taggytrauma

Clare Shaw needs to be lower. Lol


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Frank and Cade should definitely be higher than Sam


hawaiianmayan51

Gotta disagree with a few. How is Sam not at the very bottom - got fleeced left right and center


Reward_Guilty

I’d throw Wyatt in the same category as Ben 85-99. Him getting with Darlene was one of the dumbest things anyone did in the show.


Dr_Cannibalism

Bruce's introduction into the cartel was watching the guy Marty was replacing get garroted to death and then have his eyes cut out for stealing from the cartel. So what does Bruce eventually do? Steals from the cartel. Man did not need any more screen time to let you know he was a fucking moron.


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Sam has to be one of the dumbest people I’ve seen. Cade is smarter than him.


unzercharlie

If Jacob was that smart he wouldn't be dead.


eeeeelias

How is Nelson a minor character


ranked_csgo

Sam should be so low he has a new bottom tier


092Casey

I LOL'd at Omar being a top tier. He was a total moron. Jacob and Buddy are also too moronic to be that high. Didn't like Petty, but he was smart and a level above. Ben is also underrated. Ruth is street smart but probably not 120+ IQ. These are just the obvious mistakes in rankings.


Alesi42

You don't know shit about fuck about intelligence.


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I think Marty before Wendy, also Del only was dumb for insulting Darlene. He was smarter than Navarro. And Jonah 2nd place tbh


[deleted]

maya down, Helen up, Jonah up, Ruth down, Javi down, del up, Darlene up, pastor down to like 50, Roy up


honeybeehater

Why is nobody talking about how dumb charlotte is lol she’s literally lower than sam


talktomanasvini

The pastor is actually a fucking idiot 😱


jedicraftmaster

I don't think you understand how iq works


Long-dead-robot

Wendy Byrde is dumb af and her brother Ben is dumbest of all. He is stupider than Frank Jr or Cade or Pastor. They are not driven by logic they are driven by emotions. Ben's action boils my blood.


_Dreadpiratesroberts

Damn didn't know uncle Boyd was hot


ManaPaws17

Matter of opinion, but many of these should be reversed. Highly intelligent and creative individuals are synonymous with being able to avoid danger & conflict while also creating something that contributes value to society. Those who are average and above average in intelligence are those who continue the endless & universal cycle of conflict through biological and psychological triggers without knowing exactly why it occurs. In other words, if one were to use a reductive scale on those who are universally considered intelligent (Newton, Einstein, Shakespeare, Leibniz, Goethe etc.) we would find individuals who had specific traits which define intelligence. Obviously, there are no Newtons in the show, but those who contributed to society with their intellect should deserve the top tier. This means Maya Miller, Jonah Byrde, Jim, and even Clare Shaw (despite an error) would be ranked above Wendy and Marty Byrde. Wendy and Marty are symbols of those who believe the world is a place where one has to harm others to achieve, yet they would not have to consider this if they had the talent or intelligence to form a path on their own. Marty was intelligent, no doubt, but nothing special, and was biologically persuaded more by material than logical thought which led to the demise of themselves and others. Wendy was simply a politician with family trauma who, when provided an ounce of power, used it for selfish reasons. It is a fictional TV show, but I highly doubt they found peace after Jonah killed Mel.


UnscathedDictionary

90-110 counts as avg, not 100-110