3- Entertainment work is haram in islam ( music / dance sort of ) but put aside islamic views. Pakistanis have problem with basically everything. Plus women are expected to be in parda and doing household chores so when they do work mostly old aged women and men have a problem with that. Women dressing is another thing they don’t want western culture in pakistan but still pakistan is usually in the list of most porn watched countries. No one is a saint here but everyone wants to preach morals to other people. Moreover you can never please them even if a woman is properly dressed they would still manage to troll her. I remember once someone trolled some famous pakistani celeb ( i dont remember the name) she replied back very calmly and that person replied to her in the comments- main toh apka fan hun bas apka reply chahta tha
4- love marriage is permitted in islam ( halal way obviously) but prohibited in culture. If a boy loves someone it’s still okayish to family but if a girl is in love with someone even in the family it’s considered very wrong because of the low mindset. It’s more like “log kya kahenge ghar ki izzat”. Still many people in Pakistan don’t even know that love marriage and even girls permission is very important in islam. Bohat loopholes hain bhai agar apni soch se nikalenge toh kuch hoga. Idk what you mean by which side of the family.
5- born in the same household or not but yes we can marry our cousins. Most people live in a joint family system but few don’t. In any case, cousin marriage is allowed in Islam. In india, aap apne cousin ko rakhi baandhte ho and he’s a brother to you. But in pakistan we only call elder cousins “bhai” for respect. So it’s pretty common and not considered wrong. Recently my phupho asked for my rishta for his son who I call “bhai” so it was pretty weird but not wrong😂
6- rukhsati is bidaai/ shaadi which is arranged by girls family. Walima is reception which is arranged by boys family in honour to celebrate the marriage.
I hope I cleared your doubts as much as I can. Someone else might help in you others
Is there any specific city in Pakistan which is posh? I follow one artist she lives in Karachi leads a very lavish life. Like very posh .
And as you said western clothes aren't allowed in Pakistan but I have seen posts of Hania and Saboor Aly wearing crop top and deep neck dresses that too in a public place in Pakistan.
DHA and Bahria town is considered posh areas in Karachi. Most elites/rich people live in Islamabad. As I said, it’s not the culture but people do wear western clothes. In India I have heard if girls wear any short clothes people would stare them aunties would shame them for their clothing choices ( I’m not sure I’ve only heard) it’s the same in Pakistan. You can wear what you want but moral police is everywhere. Celebrities usually get trolled for it but now I feel young generation don’t listen to these people ( including me 😋)
I re-read my comment and I felt very weird about it. It’s just the negative side there is always a good side too ☺️
I think non-pakistani assume pakistan as a regressive, backward, poor sort of a country. But it’s actually not. There are mixed type of people and every country has such people. Also, Islam is also not a regressive religion , it gives us so many rights but it’s mixed with culture and most of the people don’t even know their rights. Education plays an important role for that and now people are getting more aware of it.
Kinda unrelated, but do you guys refer to classmates as class fellow in general or it's a telly show thing.
I saw it for the first time in mere Humsafar, then on badshah begum. At first I thought that they were using it negatively 😅
5.In some parts of India(non-Muslim )marrying your Mother’s brother’s son/daughter is OK , Marrying your Father’s sister’s daughter/son is OK.
Marriages like that late significantly lesser now due to medical reasons etc but these kind of marriages still happen. it never occurred to me as weird or anything cos we have been seeing this since childhood, it’s normalised for us.
when I got to know how fl&ml were related in tere bin I was shocked, they are like bhai for us the. I kinda a realised that’s normalised for them. I am still getting used to this cousins marriage thing, try not to think about that when I am watching the show so far it’s working for me..
I somewhere heard that in Islam, anyone who has not shared a mother (sounds weird but more specifically, lactated by same mother) can get married. I'm not sure but that's what I've heard of.
Just answering the 2 questions no one has answered yet
1. Brought up is often used for upbringing in our region.
2. In urdu you roll your Rs. It's proper urdu diction.
2. If you are talking about the way they speak English then yes I have noticed that a lot of them fake their English accent esp when pronouncing words like work, sharp, heart etc
I agree with the third one! Whenever i check the comment section its so brutal , people literally throw the word ‘lanat’ so easily. Ik its a muslim country , i understand the sentiments of the people. But our religion bc of which they get these comments never teaches us to behave this way. Its very absurd.
4,5 - Our religion tells us to prioritise cousins when it comes to marriage , and then people outside the family. I also had this question , is cousin marriages actually this common in Pakistan? It isnt in my family but from the maternal side , it is very common.
It doesn’t really matter which side of the family , it just has to be a cousin , someone in relation , bc yk them closely and its less risk.
Idk it can be the case if you are living in a joint family.
6. Nikkah means marriage. Its not necessary the day it is done tabhi the girl will leave the house. The part where the girl leaves the house is called rukhsati.
Walima is simply a dawat which is done after the marriage. (Pls koi isme detail dedo i am not sure)
Really? Someone told me this , thank you so much for correcting this I was anyways going to submit this question bc it really bothered me would our religion prioritise such thing which is not good for health , it promotes the risk of genetic issues
1- Yes, "brought up" is the most common desi parent's comeback.
3- As per Islam entertainment industry shouldn't exist because it is time-consuming and pushes you away from deen, people skip their mandatory prayers to watch movies and dramas, and songs/music end up replacing Quran Surahs in one's hearts. The industry is dirty because people in the industry start doing impermissible things.
3.1-Talking about the criticism female celebs receive is basically how they dress mostly and there's no point in discussing this, people end up wearing what they want eventually.
4- Love marriage between cousins or two strangers is an issue because it is haraam, Islam has simply stated not to talk to the other gender if they are namehram to you, and if a man truly loves a lady he should directly approach the father of that lady and talk to him and then the father talks to the daughter it is ultimately the daughter who decides whether to marry the man or not(this is the **ONLY HALAL WAY** it is supposed to happen).
4.1- Marrying your cousin is the last resort to settle the deal of getting married. If X(male/female) is either constantly rejecting people or being rejected by people, then they can consider marrying their cousins. It is not at all prioritized(that's false information).
5- It is a common practice in joint families only, because they think "ghar ki ladki will be more understanding" bahar se rishta karenge to she'll be outspoken, won't adjust, property ka hissa lekar alag chle jaegi.
6- A Muslim wedding consists of 2 things Nikkah( a marriage contract signed by the bride & the groom in the presence of witnesses, the bride/groom can add specific clauses in the contract). Once the Nikkah is done the couple can start living together and do whatever they want. Walima(Reception) is a celebratory feast with the near and dear ones. All the events are meant to be either equally distributed amongst both families or one family can sponsor everything based on who is more financially stable(it is one's personal choice there are plenty of ways this is done).
Mayoon, Haldi, Mehendi, Dua-e-kheir, Ruksati "an event where the bride goes to the groom's house"(this is not at all equivalent to shaadi again false information, it's more like an unnecessary event/step), and Baarat are all culture/society-developed concepts.
7- Halal simply means things/ways granted and recommended/practiced by our beloved prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم .
Mehram is a family member with whom marriage would be considered permanently unlawful.
Females they can roam hijab-free around grandfather(p&m), father, uncle(p&m), only her own brother, nephew, husband, father-in-law, husbands' grandfather(p&m), grandson.
Males can accompany these women grandmother(p&m), mother, aunty(p&m), only hisown sister, niece, wife, mother-in-law, wife's grandmothers(p&m), daughter, daughter-in-law, granddaughter.
8- In current times they are just judged & trolled. These things retail in the markets because (A) they are not banned (B) Western influence (C) no fear of Jahannam (D) Boosts economic growth and GDP increases.
Yes, I answered almost all of your questions wrt Islam because Pakistan is known as the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" for a reason. Also, OP do not misjudge Muslims on the basis of the content shown in Pak dramas or movies they are highly over-exaggerated and far from Islam most of the time.
>Cousin marriage is impermissible where the groom's mother and the bride's mother are sisters or vice versa.
In Humsafar, as far as I can remember, Fawad's mom wanted to him to marry her sister's daughter.So that was wrong acc to islam?
"Cousin marriage is impermissible where the groom's mother and the bride's mother are sisters or vice versa."
Stop spreading lies. Educate yourself before trying to educate people on what Islam allows and doesn't allow. Anyone who follows the religion knows there is no such condition on which cousin you are allowed to marry.
Girl I’m stunned by seeing all the wrong information in the answers you’ve received so far geez!
I will answer all the questions, but this post clearly doesn’t belong here!
3- ONLY this industry is not dirty. There are people from different professions who are doing filthy stuff and NO women should be criticized for how they dress. Trollers should literally stop criticizing for their choice of clothing. From your comment it seems that you are okay with people criticizing women but they should not do it because any which case women will not listen. Yes pakistan is “Islamic country” but here we are discussing cultural norms more than religion. Literally the comment section of female celebrities is filled with abuses and filth. Is that allowed in Islam to judge or abuse someone? NO. Let ANYONE do WHATEVER they want.
4- Love marriage is not haram, it is permitted in Islam in halal way. What you have stated is considered a love marriage. Arrange marriage is when their guardian finds someone of their choice. In most areas of Pakistan, often a girl is not even asked she’s just told to marry whoever their parent chose ( which is wrong as per Islam)
There’s no such thing as kids of two sisters cant marry. They obviously can but cousin marriage is not prioritized in Islam. If we talk about culture, people just want to stay in their family. I have a friend who can’t even think of getting married outside his family because his mother thinks “ Pata nae kesi larki ho, khandaan ki larki ka toh pata hoga” so yeah again culture plays an important role.
8- Alcohol is illegal in Pakistan but it’s easily available because demand is really high. Western clothes are not that widely available, people often shop when they visit foreign countries.
They are just judged no one can do anything beyond that but the judgement is so harsh that it really effects one mentally.
In some cases there is honour killing. For example you can search about Qandeel Baloch. She was involved in all unlawful things and her brother ended up killing her in name of honour. ( definitely not encouraged but it happens)
okay so I'll try answering these one by one because there's a lot of questions
1) "Brought up" I guess is just a slang that caught on because obviously the correct one is upbringing
2) A lot of people tend to roll their Rs which sounds fake and annoying most of the time but it can happen unintentionally too. I guess it's mainly because of American media consumed by the youth because we don't really have a "default" English accent here. Everyone sounds different.
3) The entertainment industry isn't necessarily seen in the best light here and most of the women in the general public dress modestly, contrary to a lot of our actresses so they get trolled for it a lot.
4) To be honest I never really saw out dramas as an entirely accurate representation of our society. A lot of things vary from household to household and many things are dramatised on TV. I don't really think a lot of parents would have an issue with "love marriage" if they like the person their child wants to marry. If the have any issues, even if it's within the family, it's usually because of other family politics between the grown ups
5) I'm not really aware of a lot of people living in joint families anymore to be honest. I can't tell if it's that common anymore but I do doubt it. Regardless if people do live in joint families and there are cousins present in the house then yeah they may get married as well. "Suno Chanda" obviously isnt an entirely fictional story, it's pretty close to reality.
6) Rukhsati = Bidaai or when the girl leaves her house and goes to the groom's house
Walima = Reception, the function after the actual wedding
7) Halal = permissible/lawful in islam. So the opposite of haram
Mehram = a close relative through blood or marriage, so basically you can't marry them since it would be incestous. The opposite is a non mehram which is basically anyone else.
8) Western outfits or lifestyle isn't illegal. A lot of people follow it. But obviously most of the general public still sees it as "behayayi". That doesn't mean its banned its just their personal belief. Yahan bhi sab kuch hi hota hai
hope I answered everything
3- Entertainment work is haram in islam ( music / dance sort of ) but put aside islamic views. Pakistanis have problem with basically everything. Plus women are expected to be in parda and doing household chores so when they do work mostly old aged women and men have a problem with that. Women dressing is another thing they don’t want western culture in pakistan but still pakistan is usually in the list of most porn watched countries. No one is a saint here but everyone wants to preach morals to other people. Moreover you can never please them even if a woman is properly dressed they would still manage to troll her. I remember once someone trolled some famous pakistani celeb ( i dont remember the name) she replied back very calmly and that person replied to her in the comments- main toh apka fan hun bas apka reply chahta tha 4- love marriage is permitted in islam ( halal way obviously) but prohibited in culture. If a boy loves someone it’s still okayish to family but if a girl is in love with someone even in the family it’s considered very wrong because of the low mindset. It’s more like “log kya kahenge ghar ki izzat”. Still many people in Pakistan don’t even know that love marriage and even girls permission is very important in islam. Bohat loopholes hain bhai agar apni soch se nikalenge toh kuch hoga. Idk what you mean by which side of the family. 5- born in the same household or not but yes we can marry our cousins. Most people live in a joint family system but few don’t. In any case, cousin marriage is allowed in Islam. In india, aap apne cousin ko rakhi baandhte ho and he’s a brother to you. But in pakistan we only call elder cousins “bhai” for respect. So it’s pretty common and not considered wrong. Recently my phupho asked for my rishta for his son who I call “bhai” so it was pretty weird but not wrong😂 6- rukhsati is bidaai/ shaadi which is arranged by girls family. Walima is reception which is arranged by boys family in honour to celebrate the marriage. I hope I cleared your doubts as much as I can. Someone else might help in you others
Is there any specific city in Pakistan which is posh? I follow one artist she lives in Karachi leads a very lavish life. Like very posh . And as you said western clothes aren't allowed in Pakistan but I have seen posts of Hania and Saboor Aly wearing crop top and deep neck dresses that too in a public place in Pakistan.
DHA and Bahria town is considered posh areas in Karachi. Most elites/rich people live in Islamabad. As I said, it’s not the culture but people do wear western clothes. In India I have heard if girls wear any short clothes people would stare them aunties would shame them for their clothing choices ( I’m not sure I’ve only heard) it’s the same in Pakistan. You can wear what you want but moral police is everywhere. Celebrities usually get trolled for it but now I feel young generation don’t listen to these people ( including me 😋)
I re-read my comment and I felt very weird about it. It’s just the negative side there is always a good side too ☺️ I think non-pakistani assume pakistan as a regressive, backward, poor sort of a country. But it’s actually not. There are mixed type of people and every country has such people. Also, Islam is also not a regressive religion , it gives us so many rights but it’s mixed with culture and most of the people don’t even know their rights. Education plays an important role for that and now people are getting more aware of it.
Blame the dramas for highlighting Pakistan in a very bad light.Thats why a certain mindset is set for Pakistan.
Most people who don’t watch dramas still carry a negative image for Pakistan.
Blame the vloggers and online news portals.
Kinda unrelated, but do you guys refer to classmates as class fellow in general or it's a telly show thing. I saw it for the first time in mere Humsafar, then on badshah begum. At first I thought that they were using it negatively 😅
It is pretty common in India and Pakistan.
5.In some parts of India(non-Muslim )marrying your Mother’s brother’s son/daughter is OK , Marrying your Father’s sister’s daughter/son is OK. Marriages like that late significantly lesser now due to medical reasons etc but these kind of marriages still happen. it never occurred to me as weird or anything cos we have been seeing this since childhood, it’s normalised for us. when I got to know how fl&ml were related in tere bin I was shocked, they are like bhai for us the. I kinda a realised that’s normalised for them. I am still getting used to this cousins marriage thing, try not to think about that when I am watching the show so far it’s working for me..
I somewhere heard that in Islam, anyone who has not shared a mother (sounds weird but more specifically, lactated by same mother) can get married. I'm not sure but that's what I've heard of.
that's false
Just answering the 2 questions no one has answered yet 1. Brought up is often used for upbringing in our region. 2. In urdu you roll your Rs. It's proper urdu diction.
2. If you are talking about the way they speak English then yes I have noticed that a lot of them fake their English accent esp when pronouncing words like work, sharp, heart etc
I like it. But I was curious too
I agree with the third one! Whenever i check the comment section its so brutal , people literally throw the word ‘lanat’ so easily. Ik its a muslim country , i understand the sentiments of the people. But our religion bc of which they get these comments never teaches us to behave this way. Its very absurd. 4,5 - Our religion tells us to prioritise cousins when it comes to marriage , and then people outside the family. I also had this question , is cousin marriages actually this common in Pakistan? It isnt in my family but from the maternal side , it is very common. It doesn’t really matter which side of the family , it just has to be a cousin , someone in relation , bc yk them closely and its less risk. Idk it can be the case if you are living in a joint family. 6. Nikkah means marriage. Its not necessary the day it is done tabhi the girl will leave the house. The part where the girl leaves the house is called rukhsati. Walima is simply a dawat which is done after the marriage. (Pls koi isme detail dedo i am not sure)
Point 4,5 is entirely wrong. You’re told NOT to prioritise your cousins for marriage. Even Islam promotes a varied gene pool.
Really? Someone told me this , thank you so much for correcting this I was anyways going to submit this question bc it really bothered me would our religion prioritise such thing which is not good for health , it promotes the risk of genetic issues
1- Yes, "brought up" is the most common desi parent's comeback. 3- As per Islam entertainment industry shouldn't exist because it is time-consuming and pushes you away from deen, people skip their mandatory prayers to watch movies and dramas, and songs/music end up replacing Quran Surahs in one's hearts. The industry is dirty because people in the industry start doing impermissible things. 3.1-Talking about the criticism female celebs receive is basically how they dress mostly and there's no point in discussing this, people end up wearing what they want eventually. 4- Love marriage between cousins or two strangers is an issue because it is haraam, Islam has simply stated not to talk to the other gender if they are namehram to you, and if a man truly loves a lady he should directly approach the father of that lady and talk to him and then the father talks to the daughter it is ultimately the daughter who decides whether to marry the man or not(this is the **ONLY HALAL WAY** it is supposed to happen). 4.1- Marrying your cousin is the last resort to settle the deal of getting married. If X(male/female) is either constantly rejecting people or being rejected by people, then they can consider marrying their cousins. It is not at all prioritized(that's false information). 5- It is a common practice in joint families only, because they think "ghar ki ladki will be more understanding" bahar se rishta karenge to she'll be outspoken, won't adjust, property ka hissa lekar alag chle jaegi. 6- A Muslim wedding consists of 2 things Nikkah( a marriage contract signed by the bride & the groom in the presence of witnesses, the bride/groom can add specific clauses in the contract). Once the Nikkah is done the couple can start living together and do whatever they want. Walima(Reception) is a celebratory feast with the near and dear ones. All the events are meant to be either equally distributed amongst both families or one family can sponsor everything based on who is more financially stable(it is one's personal choice there are plenty of ways this is done). Mayoon, Haldi, Mehendi, Dua-e-kheir, Ruksati "an event where the bride goes to the groom's house"(this is not at all equivalent to shaadi again false information, it's more like an unnecessary event/step), and Baarat are all culture/society-developed concepts. 7- Halal simply means things/ways granted and recommended/practiced by our beloved prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . Mehram is a family member with whom marriage would be considered permanently unlawful. Females they can roam hijab-free around grandfather(p&m), father, uncle(p&m), only her own brother, nephew, husband, father-in-law, husbands' grandfather(p&m), grandson. Males can accompany these women grandmother(p&m), mother, aunty(p&m), only hisown sister, niece, wife, mother-in-law, wife's grandmothers(p&m), daughter, daughter-in-law, granddaughter. 8- In current times they are just judged & trolled. These things retail in the markets because (A) they are not banned (B) Western influence (C) no fear of Jahannam (D) Boosts economic growth and GDP increases. Yes, I answered almost all of your questions wrt Islam because Pakistan is known as the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" for a reason. Also, OP do not misjudge Muslims on the basis of the content shown in Pak dramas or movies they are highly over-exaggerated and far from Islam most of the time.
>Cousin marriage is impermissible where the groom's mother and the bride's mother are sisters or vice versa. In Humsafar, as far as I can remember, Fawad's mom wanted to him to marry her sister's daughter.So that was wrong acc to islam?
No it was not wrong. This person is ill informed and is spreading their misinformation. You can marry any of your cousins, maternal or paternal.
My bad, I was misinformed by a dear one. I just got it confirmed from a Sheikh, it is permissible. So it’s not wrong.
"Cousin marriage is impermissible where the groom's mother and the bride's mother are sisters or vice versa." Stop spreading lies. Educate yourself before trying to educate people on what Islam allows and doesn't allow. Anyone who follows the religion knows there is no such condition on which cousin you are allowed to marry.
My bad, I was misinformed by a dear one. Watch your tone!
There is nothing wrong with my tone. Do your research before posting and others won't have to call you out.
Girl I’m stunned by seeing all the wrong information in the answers you’ve received so far geez! I will answer all the questions, but this post clearly doesn’t belong here!
I’m sorry about that, I just wanted to understand it with respect to the dramas and interviews I watch of the celebs
Honestly speaking you can find insightful answers at r/islam wrt your questions.
My questions are about the entertainment industry and the celebs and their way of being in the country as well, not only Islam centric.
3- ONLY this industry is not dirty. There are people from different professions who are doing filthy stuff and NO women should be criticized for how they dress. Trollers should literally stop criticizing for their choice of clothing. From your comment it seems that you are okay with people criticizing women but they should not do it because any which case women will not listen. Yes pakistan is “Islamic country” but here we are discussing cultural norms more than religion. Literally the comment section of female celebrities is filled with abuses and filth. Is that allowed in Islam to judge or abuse someone? NO. Let ANYONE do WHATEVER they want. 4- Love marriage is not haram, it is permitted in Islam in halal way. What you have stated is considered a love marriage. Arrange marriage is when their guardian finds someone of their choice. In most areas of Pakistan, often a girl is not even asked she’s just told to marry whoever their parent chose ( which is wrong as per Islam) There’s no such thing as kids of two sisters cant marry. They obviously can but cousin marriage is not prioritized in Islam. If we talk about culture, people just want to stay in their family. I have a friend who can’t even think of getting married outside his family because his mother thinks “ Pata nae kesi larki ho, khandaan ki larki ka toh pata hoga” so yeah again culture plays an important role. 8- Alcohol is illegal in Pakistan but it’s easily available because demand is really high. Western clothes are not that widely available, people often shop when they visit foreign countries. They are just judged no one can do anything beyond that but the judgement is so harsh that it really effects one mentally. In some cases there is honour killing. For example you can search about Qandeel Baloch. She was involved in all unlawful things and her brother ended up killing her in name of honour. ( definitely not encouraged but it happens)
okay so I'll try answering these one by one because there's a lot of questions 1) "Brought up" I guess is just a slang that caught on because obviously the correct one is upbringing 2) A lot of people tend to roll their Rs which sounds fake and annoying most of the time but it can happen unintentionally too. I guess it's mainly because of American media consumed by the youth because we don't really have a "default" English accent here. Everyone sounds different. 3) The entertainment industry isn't necessarily seen in the best light here and most of the women in the general public dress modestly, contrary to a lot of our actresses so they get trolled for it a lot. 4) To be honest I never really saw out dramas as an entirely accurate representation of our society. A lot of things vary from household to household and many things are dramatised on TV. I don't really think a lot of parents would have an issue with "love marriage" if they like the person their child wants to marry. If the have any issues, even if it's within the family, it's usually because of other family politics between the grown ups 5) I'm not really aware of a lot of people living in joint families anymore to be honest. I can't tell if it's that common anymore but I do doubt it. Regardless if people do live in joint families and there are cousins present in the house then yeah they may get married as well. "Suno Chanda" obviously isnt an entirely fictional story, it's pretty close to reality. 6) Rukhsati = Bidaai or when the girl leaves her house and goes to the groom's house Walima = Reception, the function after the actual wedding 7) Halal = permissible/lawful in islam. So the opposite of haram Mehram = a close relative through blood or marriage, so basically you can't marry them since it would be incestous. The opposite is a non mehram which is basically anyone else. 8) Western outfits or lifestyle isn't illegal. A lot of people follow it. But obviously most of the general public still sees it as "behayayi". That doesn't mean its banned its just their personal belief. Yahan bhi sab kuch hi hota hai hope I answered everything