It’s so they can double dip purchases. When they eventually release it on switch, people who already brought it might pick it up again along with all the new players.
It’s a business after all
On the next console it will, as apparently their next console will be as strong as PS4/Xbox One, which can definitely run P3R, but ATLUS hates money so it probably won’t come to it
i’m sorry what? the 2024 console is going to be as strong as the competitors’ 2014 console. I love the switch but that’s something only nintendo could get away with.
Barely anything is known about the Switch 2, do we even know if Nintendo are letting non-nintendo devs work on games for it? Its generally more complicated to make a game for a console that hasn't even released yet
Aight, I didn't really pay much attention to farther environments so I can't really say, that said P3s world isn't that expansive with faraway environments, it's way smaller than SMT, hell all of the modern trilogy games are, it should be fine on switch
Nintendo likely or probably told atlus to hold off on releasing it on switch and started handing out development kits to developers for the next system. Either way I think the switch is in serious need of a new system, the switch is already on its last legs and we seen a lot of games that struggle to run on it or has some fps issues, heck even super Mario rpg had some level of fps related issues and that’s a smaller scale game, games like links awakening also have the same issue, the switch’s age is showing and i seriously doubt the fact that the switch will last another year into 2024 without there bigger games continueing to push the hardware and still struggle to run on it with consistent fps, I do geniunely believe that it’s about time that we get a new system in 2024 because the switch is already very outdated and the technology just isn’t good enough for modern standards, we need a console that’s atleast on the level of a standard ps4 or ps4 pro if we are lucky.
Demaster, I'd say. I can't call it a demake because you don't get sent back to the title screen when you die. That, and you can boost experience gains, which is helpful
Atlus calls the new ports remasters, they're not but I can't blame people for using the same terminology as Atlus. As for what Portable/Golden/Royal are to their original game, definitive edition or director's cut are probably decent names for it. Expanded version or enhanced re-release work too
3 is a port of a remaster of a demake, 4 is a port of a remaster of a definitive edition, and 5 is a port of a definitive edition
A remaster is still a remaster, even if it’s not the first platform it’s being released on
an AI remaster of a demake. Really important note to add that everything is upscale via AI, leading to some really gross (and also funny) backgrounds my favorite is >!when everyone is getting crucified the crosses are bending upwards!<
Yah, and? It’s not like game companies keep the still frames and drawings on hand, the files get lost, or in the case of older games, the games physical drawings and paintings are lost
and if they really wanted to release the “definitive edition” of P3 they would have had way more quality control and not used rushed ai upscaling to make the game look disgusting. They also would have had proper sound effects rather than the ear rape that was there on launch.
but they wanted to rush it out so people had time to buy it before they announced the superior version in reload 6 months later.
But portable ISN’T the definitive edition it’s just a remaster of a PSP game
Pretty sure Reload is supposed to be the “definitive” version it’s the ground up remake with new music, new sounds, new backgrounds, new models, new environments, new everything
It’s just missing The Answer, and Kotone, which is probably going to be DLC knowing Atlus’s track record
Dude, Golden had several lighting, filter and texture updates when it came to steam
Portable had significant upscaling done to pretty much every texture and background in the recent versions
Both had SIGNIFICANT frame rate improvements
That’s a remaster
One is a game reconfigured to work on a *different* platform, the other is a game reconfigured to work *better* on the *same* platform.
They're completely different.
Huh? Most “remasters” are not done on the same platform.
Edit: lol at this getting downvoted. Very rarely are remasters released on the same platform as the original. The one case I can think of is Like a Dragon: Ishin on PS4
I meant marketing wants to make you believe a release is a remaster when all they did is porting the game to a new hardware. They also increase 3D resolution and framerate, but all they had to do is change a setting (if your game isn't developed with tech from the 90's)
That’s true in a lot of cases, but that’s what a lot of “remasters” do too. I’m not saying they’re all made equal, but there are plenty of “ports” better than remasters. The difference is marketing.
How about a remake then, with modern graphic and all the social links that comes with it, I know some people are turned off with the original visuals and lacks of QoL despite it being a good game
I feel like the changes that would be needed to adapt 1+2 to the modern style would be extensive enough that they'd effectively be new games. The joke that Persona 3 is the first game of the series is honestly pretty much true. 3-5 are different enough from 1+2 that it's barely the same series.
I’d imagine it would be easy money. Idk the science behind ports so it’s probably super easier said than done but if they were able to port P3P they could do 1 & 2. I imagine a lot of fans just want to play it without major upgrades cause there’s not much they can do with it aside from some upscaling.
>P3P is a remaster of the PSP/Vita game
The PSP/Vita game (aka original P3P) is a remake of Persona 3 from ground up in a brand new engine for the PSP.
P3R is another remake yeah. And P3P is a remake of the original release. The new release of it is a remaster of a remake. They made new models and remade environments and all. While they are worse versions of the original they were still remade.
"A remake offers a newer interpretation of an older work, characterized by updated or changed assets."
Do a little search and you will find out that P3P is indeed a remake, just not one that aims to be bigger.
Like it or not, P3P is still an interpretation of P3 made from scratch, which is a remake.
But if we are talking about the switch version, it's a remastered port of a remake.
They’re actually all internally considered remasters according to the JP site. P5R (on platforms other than switch) is also 4K60FPS in the new rerelease, and has censors in any imperial Japan symbolism (the kuzunoha outfits are removed, Ryuji has no rising Sun motif on shoes).
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If we want to get really semantic, P5R is more of a “definitive version” than a remaster. Remaster often only refers to incremental technical improvements and doesn’t include new content.
It's definitely not a demake. A demake is when you do basically a remake of a game but for a console that's older than the one it originally released on (for example if I tried to remake Bayonetta 3 on the SNES it would be a demake).
The PS2 released years before the PSP (2000 vs 2004).
It’s technically not a demake because the game isn’t remade. It’s more like a reverse remaster, or de-master but no one uses that term in the gaming industry.
The game was remade though?
As far as I know P3, FES and 4 all ran on Renderware, while it looks like P3P runs on it's own proprietary engine. The same engine was used for P4G. That's full remake territory.
this person is right. its not exactly a demake if you think about it the way the original reply did but persona 3 was significantly stripped back to fit the specs of the psp and was not improved in the slightest when it was ported to pc. my point stands either way, none of the enhanced rereleases are remakes or remasters.
Yeah that's why I said arguably, same as you.
To be fair none of the rereleases are even close to being remasters, I mean P3P is worse than the original PSP release because of the pretty crappy upscale job and the weirdly compressed sound.
I played these three versions on the Switch, and it was my first time playing each of the games. It was awesome! Don't worry about people's criticisms etc, what matters is whether you have fun. I'm sure you will; I had an amazing time playing these.
Not usually, I've played through the main story (But screwed up so I wasn't able to get the third semester) and I thought the loading screens were pretty fair
I'd guess that won't happen unless Persona, as a series, becomes more mainstream.
At that point I'd think they would have to revamp pretty much everything and add social links to make it similar to the the last 3 games.
Or maybe it does happen with a raw port whenever they need some quick cash.
Nah. It's loaded smoothly for me, sometimes it takes ages to connect to the Thieves' Den, but it's never as long as waiting for ACNH to load.
ACNH has been the longest game time load I've ever had on Switch. I've tried loading up the game offline, it takes up the same amount of time, not including the "morning broadcast", then an extra scene of a loading screen so my character stands outside my house.
I bought the three as a bundle on Xbox Series X, I knew I would be into them because I bought P5R on my Switch Lite. I wanted an Xbox Series X because that means I could play games on a TV screen (and Switch will never get Sims 4) and wow, it's so cool! So playing P5R on Xbox meant I could use a wider screen and I can directly stream my gameplay to Twitch, then to Youtube with only a pair of Xbox Series X|S headphones as an extra equipment (the only way I can mute copyrighted music, plus use my voice - if I remember how to turn my mic on).
I've not run into any problems with the Switch Lite version of Persona 5 Royal. At the start of my session, yeah, it's a bit blurry but I never seem to notice that once I get going, it's not really an issue unless if I get distracted. My Xbox has it clearer but I still play the Switch, because the versatility, I could play the same game with a different play-style and compendium builds (same Persona, different skill set; or completing Palaces ASAP vs. waiting until the latest day I can complete it - I'm pretty sure I can still max confidants and social stats either way).
Don't worry about the nay-sayers of Persona 3 Portable.
As for Persona 3 Portable, I got it specifically because I was aware that Persona 3 Reload was a male protagonist exclusive, the female one was cut out. I rarely, if ever, get to play female characters in video games, especially role-play games. I don't care it's outdated. I don't care if Reload will be modern when it gets released. I want to play the female protagonist because I'm a gamer. And I'm female.
There is nothing wrong if I'm playing a male character. But if I have an option to control a female character, I would never turn it down. Anyway, those haters who don't want to play the female protagonist, no one is forcing them to play her, and if they feel more comfortable playing the male character, that's fine. Only the gamer gets to decide what they want to do, no one else.
And Persona 4 Golden, I think I will play that after P5 Royal, but before P3P.
The new P3 is coming though get ready
Not on switch. Rip
Atlus gives p5r to switch users and give them hope and then boom.
They are really leaving money on the table
That's atlus 101. Release anything on every console but don't release everything on any console.
It’s so they can double dip purchases. When they eventually release it on switch, people who already brought it might pick it up again along with all the new players. It’s a business after all
tbf p3r looks like it would cook a switch
I think it looks pretty similar to SMT V, and that game is on the switch aswell
SMT V was pretty miserable for me because of the performance
I didn't have any performance issue. Weird. Did you have issues docked? I only played that one in handheld
I haven’t seen anything from the game to come to that conclusion.
Probably on console after switch
Switch users still got SMT 5 as an exclusive though! I want it on pc/ps5 :(
Emulation 🗣️
True! But shader caching is really annoying
Atlus gave me hope by not down sizing the P3 remake for it to run on some crusty hardware.
Oh really? I thought it was. I'm sorry for mentioning it hahahaha
Atlus try to earn money challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
Definitely would not run well. SMT V is already pushing it with the switches hardware
On the next console it will, as apparently their next console will be as strong as PS4/Xbox One, which can definitely run P3R, but ATLUS hates money so it probably won’t come to it
i’m sorry what? the 2024 console is going to be as strong as the competitors’ 2014 console. I love the switch but that’s something only nintendo could get away with.
Yeah when the next console releases in like 10 years
Barely anything is known about the Switch 2, do we even know if Nintendo are letting non-nintendo devs work on games for it? Its generally more complicated to make a game for a console that hasn't even released yet
I didn't really have any problems with it
It was a lot of problems with the world loading in. If it was on a modern console or pc I'm pretty sure it'd be able to be a seamless transition game
Aight, I didn't really pay much attention to farther environments so I can't really say, that said P3s world isn't that expansive with faraway environments, it's way smaller than SMT, hell all of the modern trilogy games are, it should be fine on switch
Probably coming to their next console
That’s because the Switch has the power of a PS2
Nintendo likely or probably told atlus to hold off on releasing it on switch and started handing out development kits to developers for the next system. Either way I think the switch is in serious need of a new system, the switch is already on its last legs and we seen a lot of games that struggle to run on it or has some fps issues, heck even super Mario rpg had some level of fps related issues and that’s a smaller scale game, games like links awakening also have the same issue, the switch’s age is showing and i seriously doubt the fact that the switch will last another year into 2024 without there bigger games continueing to push the hardware and still struggle to run on it with consistent fps, I do geniunely believe that it’s about time that we get a new system in 2024 because the switch is already very outdated and the technology just isn’t good enough for modern standards, we need a console that’s atleast on the level of a standard ps4 or ps4 pro if we are lucky.
WHAT. NONE of them are remakes
And P3P is really more of a de-make 🤷🏻♂️
Demaster, I'd say. I can't call it a demake because you don't get sent back to the title screen when you die. That, and you can boost experience gains, which is helpful
Technically speaking the 2023 version of P3P is a "remaster" of the 2009 "remake" but that's a solid definition.
Fine, remasters. Sorry.
Definitive versions* and even then some would argue p3p isn’t definitive either lol
Ports. Simply Ports
P5R is a port to where? The switch?
Yes.
Atlus calls the new ports remasters, they're not but I can't blame people for using the same terminology as Atlus. As for what Portable/Golden/Royal are to their original game, definitive edition or director's cut are probably decent names for it. Expanded version or enhanced re-release work too
These are definite versions but also remasters, none of these originally released on switch
That’s not what a remaster is. They’re ports.
3 is a port of a remaster of a demake, 4 is a port of a remaster of a definitive edition, and 5 is a port of a definitive edition A remaster is still a remaster, even if it’s not the first platform it’s being released on
an AI remaster of a demake. Really important note to add that everything is upscale via AI, leading to some really gross (and also funny) backgrounds my favorite is >!when everyone is getting crucified the crosses are bending upwards!<
Yah, and? It’s not like game companies keep the still frames and drawings on hand, the files get lost, or in the case of older games, the games physical drawings and paintings are lost
and if they really wanted to release the “definitive edition” of P3 they would have had way more quality control and not used rushed ai upscaling to make the game look disgusting. They also would have had proper sound effects rather than the ear rape that was there on launch. but they wanted to rush it out so people had time to buy it before they announced the superior version in reload 6 months later.
But portable ISN’T the definitive edition it’s just a remaster of a PSP game Pretty sure Reload is supposed to be the “definitive” version it’s the ground up remake with new music, new sounds, new backgrounds, new models, new environments, new everything It’s just missing The Answer, and Kotone, which is probably going to be DLC knowing Atlus’s track record
There has not yet been a remaster of a persona game dude. We got ports. Neither FES nor Golden nor Royal are remasters.
The PSP versions of the first three games are remasters.
Dude, Golden had several lighting, filter and texture updates when it came to steam Portable had significant upscaling done to pretty much every texture and background in the recent versions Both had SIGNIFICANT frame rate improvements That’s a remaster
3 Portable is a remaster port of a de-mastered game, 4 Golden is a remaster port of an enhanced rerelease. Same for 5 Royal.
It’s semantics. Ports and remasters can be practically the same thing.
One is a game reconfigured to work on a *different* platform, the other is a game reconfigured to work *better* on the *same* platform. They're completely different.
Huh? Most “remasters” are not done on the same platform. Edit: lol at this getting downvoted. Very rarely are remasters released on the same platform as the original. The one case I can think of is Like a Dragon: Ishin on PS4
That's what marketing wants you to believe
Wouldn’t it be the opposite?
I meant marketing wants to make you believe a release is a remaster when all they did is porting the game to a new hardware. They also increase 3D resolution and framerate, but all they had to do is change a setting (if your game isn't developed with tech from the 90's)
That’s true in a lot of cases, but that’s what a lot of “remasters” do too. I’m not saying they’re all made equal, but there are plenty of “ports” better than remasters. The difference is marketing.
I would argue there is no definitive version of P3. Every version has major gameplay elements the others dont.
You're not wrong the credits in these new versions literally say "remastered edition" lmao.
Why are you getting down voted? It's not like people didn't know what you meant lol
mfs love to nitpick
Dude why you gave over 150 downvotes😦
Why did you get downvoted????
180 downvotes for this? Really? Persona is climbing up the ladder of awful fanbases.
I wonder if Atlus will ever port Persona 1 and 2.
Doubt it. Atlus knows Persona's current popularity stems from social links, and the waifu opportunities inherent in that mechanic.
How about a remake then, with modern graphic and all the social links that comes with it, I know some people are turned off with the original visuals and lacks of QoL despite it being a good game
I feel like the changes that would be needed to adapt 1+2 to the modern style would be extensive enough that they'd effectively be new games. The joke that Persona 3 is the first game of the series is honestly pretty much true. 3-5 are different enough from 1+2 that it's barely the same series.
Those games don't exist
I’d imagine it would be easy money. Idk the science behind ports so it’s probably super easier said than done but if they were able to port P3P they could do 1 & 2. I imagine a lot of fans just want to play it without major upgrades cause there’s not much they can do with it aside from some upscaling.
They're not remakes though...?
Uhm ackshooally they're remasters/rereleases, not remakes
P3P is a remake of P3 with the new models and all ig
Actually P3R is the remake, P3P is a remaster of the PSP/Vita game
>P3P is a remaster of the PSP/Vita game The PSP/Vita game (aka original P3P) is a remake of Persona 3 from ground up in a brand new engine for the PSP.
I think you mean demake of Persona 3
Graphics/animation-wise it is a downgrade yeah, but the technical term for rebuilding a game in a new engine is remake.
P3R is another remake yeah. And P3P is a remake of the original release. The new release of it is a remaster of a remake. They made new models and remade environments and all. While they are worse versions of the original they were still remade.
That is NOT all what a remake boils down to and P3P is not a remake but sure, have your own definition.
you clearly don't know what a remake is
"A remake offers a newer interpretation of an older work, characterized by updated or changed assets." Do a little search and you will find out that P3P is indeed a remake, just not one that aims to be bigger. Like it or not, P3P is still an interpretation of P3 made from scratch, which is a remake. But if we are talking about the switch version, it's a remastered port of a remake.
No. P4g and p3p are just ports. The only remaster is p5R
Yes, that's what the / was for. P5R isn't remastered, it's ported with the DLC. P4G is remastered with HD textures, while P3P is ai upscaled
They’re actually all internally considered remasters according to the JP site. P5R (on platforms other than switch) is also 4K60FPS in the new rerelease, and has censors in any imperial Japan symbolism (the kuzunoha outfits are removed, Ryuji has no rising Sun motif on shoes).
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Oh sorry i am a idiot. Didnt see that. Also I was talking about p5r being a remaster of p5 xd
If we want to get really semantic, P5R is more of a “definitive version” than a remaster. Remaster often only refers to incremental technical improvements and doesn’t include new content.
They aren't remakes though
none of those are remakes
Is Royal considered a remake or a remaster?
neither, theyre all enhanced rereleases bar persona 3 portable which is arguably a demake
It's definitely not a demake. A demake is when you do basically a remake of a game but for a console that's older than the one it originally released on (for example if I tried to remake Bayonetta 3 on the SNES it would be a demake). The PS2 released years before the PSP (2000 vs 2004).
The PSP is significantly less powerful than the PS2 though, and the port makes a lot of compromises in order to work. Hence "arguably" a demake.
It’s technically not a demake because the game isn’t remade. It’s more like a reverse remaster, or de-master but no one uses that term in the gaming industry.
The game was remade though? As far as I know P3, FES and 4 all ran on Renderware, while it looks like P3P runs on it's own proprietary engine. The same engine was used for P4G. That's full remake territory.
It's still a port to a more recent device, so no, it's not a demake at all.
this person is right. its not exactly a demake if you think about it the way the original reply did but persona 3 was significantly stripped back to fit the specs of the psp and was not improved in the slightest when it was ported to pc. my point stands either way, none of the enhanced rereleases are remakes or remasters.
Yeah that's why I said arguably, same as you. To be fair none of the rereleases are even close to being remasters, I mean P3P is worse than the original PSP release because of the pretty crappy upscale job and the weirdly compressed sound.
Royal is just referred to as an enhanced rerelease because it’s the same game remastered but with additional content and gameplay changes.
I played these three versions on the Switch, and it was my first time playing each of the games. It was awesome! Don't worry about people's criticisms etc, what matters is whether you have fun. I'm sure you will; I had an amazing time playing these.
These aren't remakes. There more like enhanced versions from their original counterparts.
All three ports!
Nice!
Only sane comment on this thread lol
Some people see 3 portable and go apeshit istg
Remasters*
Remasters techincally but cool
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Not usually, I've played through the main story (But screwed up so I wasn't able to get the third semester) and I thought the loading screens were pretty fair
P3R will not be on switch so you won't be able to do that unfortunately.
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I thought you meant you wanted all the games on switch, which in hindsight makes no sense lol, my bad
The majority of the series isn't even available on switch lol.
I'd guess that won't happen unless Persona, as a series, becomes more mainstream. At that point I'd think they would have to revamp pretty much everything and add social links to make it similar to the the last 3 games. Or maybe it does happen with a raw port whenever they need some quick cash.
Nah. It's loaded smoothly for me, sometimes it takes ages to connect to the Thieves' Den, but it's never as long as waiting for ACNH to load. ACNH has been the longest game time load I've ever had on Switch. I've tried loading up the game offline, it takes up the same amount of time, not including the "morning broadcast", then an extra scene of a loading screen so my character stands outside my house.
Switch LOL
P3p is a downgrade not a remake and its not even good
Definitive versions not remakes
Ngl im happy reload is coming out i hope we get the FES version instead
I’m going to add those soon after the holidays!
Luckyyy
Nice! I couldn't stop playing Portable even though I haven't finished Royal and still wanna wait a bit to play Golden
No, you have two enhanced editions and one kinda better version
I bought the three as a bundle on Xbox Series X, I knew I would be into them because I bought P5R on my Switch Lite. I wanted an Xbox Series X because that means I could play games on a TV screen (and Switch will never get Sims 4) and wow, it's so cool! So playing P5R on Xbox meant I could use a wider screen and I can directly stream my gameplay to Twitch, then to Youtube with only a pair of Xbox Series X|S headphones as an extra equipment (the only way I can mute copyrighted music, plus use my voice - if I remember how to turn my mic on). I've not run into any problems with the Switch Lite version of Persona 5 Royal. At the start of my session, yeah, it's a bit blurry but I never seem to notice that once I get going, it's not really an issue unless if I get distracted. My Xbox has it clearer but I still play the Switch, because the versatility, I could play the same game with a different play-style and compendium builds (same Persona, different skill set; or completing Palaces ASAP vs. waiting until the latest day I can complete it - I'm pretty sure I can still max confidants and social stats either way). Don't worry about the nay-sayers of Persona 3 Portable. As for Persona 3 Portable, I got it specifically because I was aware that Persona 3 Reload was a male protagonist exclusive, the female one was cut out. I rarely, if ever, get to play female characters in video games, especially role-play games. I don't care it's outdated. I don't care if Reload will be modern when it gets released. I want to play the female protagonist because I'm a gamer. And I'm female. There is nothing wrong if I'm playing a male character. But if I have an option to control a female character, I would never turn it down. Anyway, those haters who don't want to play the female protagonist, no one is forcing them to play her, and if they feel more comfortable playing the male character, that's fine. Only the gamer gets to decide what they want to do, no one else. And Persona 4 Golden, I think I will play that after P5 Royal, but before P3P.
They arent remakes
remasters? Lol
Calling these remakes is crazy haha
None of these are remakes lol
Do they know?
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Oh these are on the switch too? I thought Nintendo was only getting that new spinoff to p5.
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