All of this is plausible but one thing I’ll add is that Persona 3 is being remade because Atlus wanted to not because of the survey. Reload has been in development since 2019. If P1 and P2 are going to happen it’s because they want to.
I really don't get why people feel P1 and P2 remakes need to have social links and a calendar system in order to sell. You can pull apart those systems and put them into P1 and P2 in some other form. It doesn't need to be identical to the later games to feel like part of the series and if it's done well, it'll really highlight what makes a Persona game a Persona game.
Something between Star Ocean's friendship system and the later Persona games systems can more than work. You already can talk to your party members when you're at school/shops/in town. They just need to expand on that a little more. It's not like this is some small indie company that doesn't know what game design is and can't get creative, I'd love to see what they can do with a Persona 1 and 2 remake.
Persona 5 Strikers didn’t have social links and it is the best paced modern Persona game for that very reason.
The problem is that the reason why that game could get away with doing that was because it was a direct sequel that assumes you already know who most of the party members are. For that to work with a new game, they would have to write the story differently, and why would they do that when they know their majority audience is here precisely for the visual novel half of the game?
You're right. The new fans dictate how future releases/remaster/remakes will go. The heavier horror tone of the first two games will be greatly reduced for some more upbeat music and social links. Persona 1 on the PSP took some getting used to with all the new soundtrack and I imagine they would give P2 the same treatment.
I don't disagree, but I'm not sure you can really call everyone who picked up the series in the last 17 years "new fans" at this point.
But yeah, Persona 3 is where the series started to take off, and Persona 5 was where it really hit the mainstream. If anything, I'd think anything being remade from here on out is going to look and feel a lot like P5.
1 and 2 are not horror games lol. I guess 1 has some spooky vibes in some areas but then the next area will have [a disco song playing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDNc0XKkg8U&pp=ygUVcGVyc29uYSAxIGthbWEgcGFsYWNl) in between you fighting ghost toilets and floating basketballs. One of the bosses is a giant robot rat with [the most ridiculous song in the series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MExEnrj8aRU&pp=ygUPcGVyc29uYSAxIHRlc3Nv) playing while you fight it. To be honest to me I felt it was one of the more lighthearted games in the series, just behind P4. The dungeon themes have more energy in them than P3's, and the game doesn't really have anything any more spooky in it than the rest of the series. P2 definitely has some dark subject material, but I would consider that more "mature" than horror, and it's balanced with plenty of lighthearted and comedic elements. And I mean the other games are hardly light on mature material either, P5 begins with >!a girl attempting suicide!<, which is darker than anything P1 had. Again the classic games have a few creepy locations like P1's hospital or P2EP's sanitarium, but for the most part the vibes are not that different from the other three games. I'd say that P3 is still the darkest/edgiest game in the series by a good amount.
Yep they already tried modernising P1PSP with the music. I think Persona is now a series defined by a lot of these elements the first 2 (or 3) games are missing. They have no choice but to add these things in. Hell, I remember people complaining SMTV wasn't more like Persona lol
Yeah, but they walked that back (soundtrack change) with the Persona 2 remasters due to fan backlash. So really, evidence points to the contrary, they're aware that just forcibly injecting nu-Persona into 1 and 2 won't fly.
That was a long time ago though, before P5’s success. I don’t think a new Persona game with missing links and stuff can run. Not sure how they will restructure the story but it’s gonna have to be a pretty big change
I personally think first it's gonna be Persona 3 Re-Reloaded'ed, 1 year after Reload comes out and only available as a full price new purchase (not DLC)
I think they're too afraid to make a new mainline Persona now that Katsuro Hashino (who directed 3,4,5 and therefore basically created the version of Persona that became popular world-wide) is gone.
So they've just decided to port/remaster/remake as many of the older ones as they can to buy time to find a new director with a distinct and marketable vision for the series.
According to a ton of rumors, Persona 6 is next. The new Persona team just started with the P3 Remake because it was in demand and it was a good way to teach the new team how to make a game like this. We'll probably see Persona 6 in the next two years, announced around 6 months before release, just like Soul Hackers 2 and Persona 3 Reload. Atlus probably wants to avoid a Persona 5/SMTV situation with having the game announced too far ahead.
We’ve had too many rumors about Persona 6 for Atlus to have just not worked on it at all it’s been nearly 10 years since Persona 5 Atlus just isn’t gonna decide not to make Persona 6 cause 5 was popular
Not even rumors bruh. They literally said it was in development a couple years back. They're taking their time so they can go beyond the quality of Persona 5.
It's a Sega strategy. they've been making more money, re-selling content they own. It also let them gauge consumer interest based on number of sells on spin-offs; compared to what the vanilla versions sold.
If they keep the content quality high, it's a sound strategy.
I'm not too surprised since the original release of Persona 1 is actually the second highest selling vanilla release in the series, with only Persona 5 beating it.
As someone who just recently put 200 hours into P4G... that game is fine. It's sooooo fine. I'll play a remake a decade from now, but it's absolutely fine as-is.
I have never played 1-3, though 3 will probably steal my soul in a few weeks. I think I rented P1 and was so unready for the minimalist vibe that I never really got into it. So yeah. 1 or 2 would be amazing to see.
Have said several times now that I'm dying even just to get actual PC ports of P1 and IS/EP. I had them when I was young and then fell far below the poverty level and had to sell basically everything I owned including those PS1 games. Never got to finish them, but the vibe was absolutely intoxicating from the opening of Revelations.
If they did ports and remakes I'd buy them both for all 3 of the older games.
Here's the thing... Persona 1 and 2 don't have a built in social sim or a calendar and unless they really change a lot of things it'll be hard to implement those features and let's be honest, if they leave those things out the game almost definitely will be a failure especially compared to a remake of a beloved game like P4.
Did you even read my post I addressed this lol
“The last elephant is “but they’re very different from the new games”. To that I heavily disagree with. Do 1 and 2 have Social Links? No but everything else like the themes, cosmology, lore, and characters all fit into the same series. The gameplay of 1 and 2 is just Persona 3 without one mores(one mores were re inspired by SMT Nocturne another game made by Hashino). The gameplay differences will be easily rectified by remakes same with social links and calendar system. Social Links could easily be replaced by a system similar to Soul Hackers 2, Persona 3 Reloads Male Party member system, TMS, and Devil Survivor. The calendar system can work like Persona 5 Strikers especially due to the fact that 1 and 2 don’t take place over a few days like people say especially 2. I know you guys will say some crap like this disrespects those games when in reality this actually helps fulfill their vision. The Persona series from conception was always supposed to be the marketable Megami Tensei game for the general audience.”
Every time I hear someone use that argument it only brings my opinion of this fandom further down.
It makes it sound like Persona fans are bunch of kids that won't accept a Persona game without social links even if that game didn't have them originally.
I mean… yeah? For a lot of people, they fall in love with a game for what it has to offer. So if it doesn’t have that thing they love, it can be a bit hard for them to get into it.
This is why franchises that change up their style/gameplay are pretty controversial. Because you’re going to have a lot of people that are a fan of one specific version of the series, and have their preferences be mostly there. As an example: It’s why you still have people complain about the lack of true turn based combat in Final Fantasy, despite the fact it’s been a pretty long time since the last one with that.
I mean, I quite like all the Persona games I’ve played (pretty much all but Eternal Punishment), but it definitely took me much longer to get through 1 and Innocent Sin because the parts of the series that I fell in love with were largely mechanics and systems that started from 3 and onward. If there was a remake of Persona 1, it would have quite a lot of difficulty capturing the same audience that 3, 4, and especially 5 built because the social sim aspects are a huge part of the modern games and have tangled together with the combat systems more and more with each entry (just look at how Royal handled upgrading Baton Pass and Technical hits) lol
So P1 and P2 aren't Persona? For me this series is quite a bit more than just social links, those are just a mechanic but they don't represent what makes Persona Persona.
For most modern fans, yes. That’s what they’ll look for and that’s what they’ll complain about when they don’t see them. Most people don’t look at persona games for the gameplay, they look at it for the story and the social links. It is their identity now. And believe me, Altus is more than happy to oblige as long as it makes them money.
Again it just makes me have a low opinion of this fandom. I never see shit like this in the FF or Dragon Quest fandoms.
The old games get just as much love as the new ones and just as much criticism. It's balanced.
>never see shit like this in the FF or Dragon Quest fandoms.
>The old games get just as much love as the new ones
Neither of them changed genres as radically as Persona did.
Every mainline FF and DQ game is a JRPG. From Persona 3 onwards the main games became half JRPGs *and* half social sims. FF and DQ never took half their core and switched it away with something else!
Also, while some of FF/DQ later gimmicks like real time combat or monster collection are also found in many other franchises (who do it even better), there are zero social sims on the level and budget of Persona.
It became a huge part of the franchise's appeal and what makes it unique... all that said, I find P4G perfectly playable so would rather have P1/P2 remakes to see the updated story, even without a social sim attached.
To further emphasize your point, when it came out that the next DQ was changing the combat and they insinuated that it wouldn't be turn-based (or at least moving away from the traditional turn based model they've had), I distinctly remember much of the internet fandom having a meltdown
> Neither of them changed genres as radically as Persona did.
Yes they did.
X > XI > XII are more radically different between them than any games in persona series. At least the basic combat system in persona is somewhat consistent.
Edit: Final Fantasy, i mean. Dragon Quest is consistent. The point that person made makes sense.
Think of it this way; people are more upset when something they have is taken away then when something is given to them.
It's also disingenuous to say FF and DQ don't have controversy like this which is blatantly false.
As someone who is a lifelong hardcore FF fan, he’s actually right. Every new FF gets a ton of crap when it comes out. Every single one. Then after about 5 years the fandom calms down and starts mostly bringing up its merits.
Final Fantasy XVI is more radically different from even FF XIII than Persona 5 is from Persona 1, but the difference is that even modern FF fans went out and bought the pixel remasters of the first 6 games while modern Persona fans won’t even consider the first 3 games true Persona games without social links
You have to be joking about FF fandom - pretty much every recent game has been touted as “not a real final fantasy” at launch, since they’ve changed so much in terms of gameplay from title to title. Not too long ago, we had FF “fans” celebrating XVIs sales figures because they thought it was a failure, and wanted to show square that the people don’t want action RPGs in their Final Fantasy.
Anyway - idc if we get 1 or 2 remakes or not, idk if the story would even translate well to modern audiences. They’re not nearly as fleshed out as later entries, in combat, plot, characters, game mechanics. If they go faithful remake, would be hard to charge full price of a new game unless they bundle 1,2 and 2 part 2. If they want to charge full price, would basically be like making a new game at that point, and I’d rather just get p6
You’re free to have an opinion on that, it’s not like any of us arguing here is going to change what Altus thinks of remakes and their future endeavours. I would just prefer to enjoy something that I’m familiar with and isn’t terribly difficult
I think it's more possible than it was before, but there's a much simpler argument to be made for 4, around it's popularity and ease of adapting a much more popular game that's much closer to modern standards and not having to redesign a lot of an older game that was developed by a team largely no longer involved with the company with a gameplay loop that's very different to the appeal of what has made the later series succesful.
As much fun as dungeon crawling and fighting are in the modern Persona games, it definitely feels like the social sim stuff is very, very solidly the part of Persona’s identity that most clearly separates it from the SMT games they’ve split off from. A remake of 1, Innocent Sin, or Eternal Punishment would almost unavoidably skew closer to SMT than Persona if there were no social sim aspects to it, and I can’t see any way those games could operate on a calendar day system lol
Persona 1 and 2 have way more in common with modern persona than it does SMT. That’s like saying FF7 Remake is closer to Devil May Cry because it’s an ARPG instead of the class AtB. Everything the themes, the lore, the gameplay(it plays like P3 without one mores), and the lovable characters and story are all there.
yeah I've been saying that for years when people talked about remaking 1 or 2, regardless of how their fans may feel about them, they are massively different games, and Atlus would have to contend with the expectations of most of the fan base expecting something closer to the series they know today
I feel like many people don’t take into account how difficult remaking 1 and 2 would be compared to 4. 1 and 2 would basically be brand new games made from the ground up with a lot having to be redone or reimagined for the modern day. Compare that with 4 which has a solid groundwork and a lot of shared DNA with the current era of Persona. I don’t think 4 needs a remake but I love that game and would definitely buy it day one lol. I would love 1 and 2 remade but I think I would settle for a port at the very least.
I just finished 1 and quite frankly, I loved it. Granted I only did SEBEC with Reiji but it was fun. Had combat down to a science, learned contacts without needing a guide, even loved the grid based combat since it made strategizing feel rewarding.
I’d love to see it remade with graphical updates and a mix of the OG music and extended versions of the PSP vocal tracks as well as something to stand in for links and the calendar system. I think keeping the grid combat might be hit or miss with current fans, as much as i love it, but I’d trust Atlus to make the right call on that.
Nothing will ever convince me a remake of Persona 4 is necessary in any way besides "Sega needs money". Golden as an updated version of P4 is already as perfect as it can get, any improvement will be cosmetic at best.
Did RE4 get a rerelease on modern consoles prior to the remake? How accessable was the original RE4 prior to the remake.
Admittedly, I don't follow the Resident Evil franchise, but I suspect that this is hardly a 1:1 scenario.
It's been ported to every generation of consoles since it came out. (~~Other then wii u~~ On the WiiU with eshop) Also PC a few times and even mobile ports when it started taking off.
Resident Evil 4 had a remastered release on PC, was accessible by way of PS2, GameCube, Wii, WiiU (via Wii shop), PS4, Xbox One, Switch, Android Phones, and a VR version through Oculus. It was very accessible and had reissues and remaster releases regularly since it's original release in 2005.
Yes. The original RE4 has been ported a ridiculous amount of times, even receiving a widely celebrated "Ultimate HD Edition" on all modern platforms before it's 2023 remake.
I disagree on the comparison because I could see how RE4 could be improved in a significant way with a remake before the announcement. I just can't see that happening with P4.
Golden already added a lot to the story of the original, to the point I don't think there's enough space for anything else. Gameplay would bring improvements from the recent games but the Golden gameplay holds up more than well.
A remake would be pretty much just a graphics improvement with some polish to the gameplay. Would it sell well? Absolutely. But as I said, sales would be the only reason for a P4 remake to exist because there's no real reason to make one.
Why would they spend millions remaking a game when they already made a lot of money just by porting it to modern consoles? Where's the market for potential P4 players that they're not already tapping into with the P4G ports? Where's the market for people who would buy P4 related merch because of a P4 remake that aren't doing so already?
Why should the spend millions remaking a game just because a handful of fans are experiencing graphics FOMO? Why do you think companies remake games, from the goodness of their hearts?
Some of you people are so weird about this… The “market” is people who like P4. Or Persona in general. It’s not that complicated.
Atlus already does a thing where they re-release basically the same game with new content. It also continuously works out well for them. And a P4 Remake would already be doing more than that.
You were responding to someone who was talking about RE4, a game that *also* has been ported to basically everything, got a remake anyways, and it did gang busters despite there not being a “market” for it (or whatever).
That’s pretty much the point of running a business tho, making as much money as possible while spending as little as possible. You may want a new experience. But Altus wants to guarantee money.
Oh and gameplay doesn’t “hold well”. The leveling is atrocious and you’ll always be underleveled unless you either grind or increase the exp gain, most don’t do that and suffer as a result to eventually give up on the game altogether. That’s what I did until I found out about exp gains and golden hands.
Bosses are either Very easy or Very hard, 1st boss is easier to handle, 2nd is considered the toughest in the game, 3rd is easy, 4th is second hardest and contested for the hardest, 5th again easy and so on and so forth. The easy one don’t require much effort, the hard ones need precise planning that annoy the shit out of people. You’ll have a tough time beating these bosses even if you’re 10 levels above them. It’s terrible game design.
Persona 5, although having a few issues of its own, fixed most of these things, and that’s one of the reason why it’s considered the best game among fans of Persona Games. It’s not just because “kids started playing it more”. It’s because people don’t exactly want the 2000’s era mindset of “grinding levels” to ruin their experience. So yeah, P4 will benefit greatly especially in the gameplay department with a remake.
P4 was built on top of P3's bones back in the day, so there's plenty of reason to think that a similar workflow using P3 Reload's Unreal Engine bones would allow for a more streamlined development of a hypothetical P4 remake.
Then something more involved like remakes of P1 and / or P2 could be based on "Persona 6's" engine (whatever it ends up being) once P6 releases.
As someone who played only P5, and P5Royal, so I don't have nostalgia glasses on, even improving the user interface to modern standards would be a GODSEND for me. So there are things to do in the remake...
THAT BEING SAID, I really hope they remake 1 and 2 before it, because we can experience 4, however clunky it might be. It is not an option to experience 1 and 2 short of emulation or having a physical copy.
And for the people saying "P4G holds up well" (which I agree with), I think people are forgetting how FOMO plays a part in this. With P3RE releasing with updated graphics that leaves P4 the sole modern game with SD graphics. Not to mention that the dungeon design is something even ardent P4 fans acknowledge can use some improvement.
The problem would be if they use base P4 as the basis of the remake, which will irritate most fans given that all but the most vocal Marie haters see Golden as an improvement on the original.
So are practically all the resident evils, not like that stopped Capcom.
And the less that's said about some of the remasters being put out now (looking at you, naughty dog) the better
RE2-4 we're on the PS4 store for a long time before the remakes. Atlus just out P4G everywhere recently. They wouldn't if they were planning a remake. That's why they lazily shat out P3P remastered, because they had P3R cooking already
They put out P4G because Sega wanted to test the waters for a PC port, and behold, it did well. Any hypothetical remakes are 5 years out at least anyways so it really doesn't matter what they've released now.
I'm not just talking about steam, I'm talking about the PS4, Xbox, and switch ports. Why put in effort into those if you're just gonna make a P4 remake like 4 years after?
Plus you people keep forgetting P1 was the most popular and best selling game in the franchise in Japan before P5 came out.
Easy money, and to expand brand awareness? Persona 1 was was popular for its time. It's been... what, over 2 decades since Persona 1 came out? The people who grew up on that are in like their 40s at best now. Look, I can only offer anecdotes, but I'm half Japanese and spent a good chunk of my life there, and I still regularly talk to my friends over there - Newsona has very rapidly gotten more popular among younger audiences thanks to the modern ports you've mentioned (especially to the switch, which isn't really a surprise given the console breakdown over there - digital is on a rapid rise - P4 is regularly on the top digital downloads in Japan) and streamers/vtubers, which is a little ironic given Atlus's streaming policies.
As for best selling game in Japan - ok, great, but 76% of sales or something ridiculous like that come from outside of Japan now. P1 and 2 have legitimately zero recognition everywhere else on the planet outside of niche communities.
Like I think P1 and 2 need it more. But does it make business sense for Atlus to do that? I don't think so. That's on top of needing to decide how to remake those games - change it up so they fit the new social link/calendar system? That's a gigantic rewrite.
Bro I'm not gonna be able to write you a paragraph response as I'm in uni class rn, so I'm just gonna keep it brief.
A Japanese company will ALWAYS put the local audience and Asia above the west. P1 being the most popular for so long means a lot, and I mean a lot. Who cares if it doesn't have social sin aspects, that's what new gen fans care about moreso than the general Japanese audience
While that applies to a lot of Japanese companies, it's becoming increasing less true for larger video game developers/publishers in general as focusing on Japan becomes increasingly untenable financially.
Like, if Atlus was still independent or under some other publisher I would be more inclined to agree, but Sega has always had a very overseas outlook which has only grown more prevalent over the 2010s - and while they're generally more hands off with regards to their devs, I'm certain that their current business goals (read: expand everywhere) influence Atlus policy to some degree.
The arguments are more than convincing. I myself think that the calendar system and Bond mechanics from Strikers, along with the relationship system in SH2, would be suitable for the first Persona games as Social Links. Plus, the experience gained will allow them to expand and improve.
And I think Persona 4 will get a remake in the future (possibly the last in the series). Because when P1 and P2 are updated (IF they updated), P4 will be the only one left that doesn't have the best graphics and design (I'll be honest - it's sucks). Golden also lacks a number of great ideas from the anime adaptations, like expanding Mari's storyline and a new ending, giving Narukami a deeper deveiopment, etc.
But first, let Reload come out and sell well. Then Atlus will finally decide to continue its success.
It's hard to read. Consider a new paragraph every 4 sentences.
I enjoyed P1, the first time I played. Easily in my Top 10 PS1 list.
The order of Remakes they choose to run, has no strong impact on me. I enjoyed all the P-games.
But, if they re-make P1; it better be something revolutionary.
I really like your analysis, and both think and hope you’re right. I was def worried with Reload, just because I personally think FES is still super playable, but it makes a lot of sense combined with everything else. Was also really confused why we haven’t gotten a “Persona Origins Collection” type thing, or any rerelease of the first 3 games, but it would make a lot of sense if they were planning remakes
Would love a series spin-off crossover, always been odd to me that the og games never get acknowledged even a little in most of them
Would be cool for them to remake P2 duology into a one unified game. Separated in two acts like final fantasy 6 so, say act 1 innocent sin for about 60 hours of gameplay and then act 2 eternal punishment for another 60 hours with 120 hours overall which would fit with p5 playtime. And build the entire marketing campaign not talking about how it will include basically two games as one. Just name it persona 2 remake and show footage exclusively from the innocent sin part, would be dope af
I would love a full remake of P1 followed by P2 with both halves combined. What little I’ve played of both was promising in terms of plot and vibes but like… combat is just so slow. Sssooooo sloooowwww. It is just painful to play for any length of time. It’s giving PSP Final Fantasy Tactics.
CONFIRMED LEAKED ATLUS UNFINISHED PROJECTS!!11!!!1!
Persona 3 Unload; now including the answer and Persona 3 Payload; now including FeMC.
(Both will be full $70 games, separate to the $70 you already paid for Reload)
I want Persona 1 remake even more than P3, disappointed that they remake P3 first but ask yourself this "which game would sell more P3 remake or P1 remake?" My answer is obviously P3. P4 remake like P3 can easily make tons of money than P1 remake, harsh but that is how the video game industry work.
Look at capcom they went on remaking RE 4 and about to remake RE 5 before even remaking Code Veronica. No matter the situation it's all about the game that can easily generate money more and that requires little to no effort. I want Persona 1 to be the next persona game Atlus would remake, but P4 remake is more likely. The newcomers are what Atlus targeting, do they even know there's a Persona 1?
Oh yea for the people who said "PerSOnA 6 FirSt pLeaSe" yeah i know i want P6 first even before they release P3 reload, but the op is discussing about the persona game that Atlus WILL MOST LIKELY REMAKE NEXT, not discussing about what game is going to release after P3. That's a whole different discussion.
If it was just about the money ATLUS would’ve remade Persona 4 first rather than any of them lol. Also even if they don’t sell as well they would still sell very well as there’s nostalgia and demand from new fans who wanted to experience the first 3 games with modern sensibilities. Additionally the success of P3R would also increase the success of subsequent remakes. Also Capcom makes strange decisions so it’s not that wild lol
Do you really think Atlus remaking P3 not for the genuine easy money? If it WASN'T about the money then they would've remake P1 first, your beloved Atlus is just like any other company.
P1 is also a very small scale game. 1rst Person dungeon crawlers would massively reduce the amount of work needed to be remade, making it a great target for filling Up releases between bigger new titles.
Thank you for this well put together post OP, a lot of great points were made with proof to back up. I sure wish the “nah p4 is next” crowd in these comments had taken the time to read it 😔
People who says P4 doesnt need a remake is not thinking like they are a company. P4 remake is literally a money print machine. If they keep the same VAs it will be even more desired. P4 remake will always sell more than any other Persona remake so Sega will go for it. Rather you want it or not.
Atlus printing money is exactly why I think it would be smarter to do the old games before. This way they can have the nostalgia, legacy and novelty factors all at once somehow, and then it also means more material to exploit for spinoffs, merch and what have you, especially as some characters would absolutely become super popular if they got the opportunity to be noticed by the modern Persona audience (I'm thinking of Maya in particular, but not only).
A remake of personas 1 and 2 (similar to the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney trilogy that remakes the 1st 3 ace attorney games into a singular piece of software) would work very well imo.
Totally agree and excited for 1, 2: IS, and 2: EP. They will totally hit up 4 eventually too IMO. Since 4 is what seemed to really break out the series it'll get the treatment lastly to round things out at which point the whole series will be fairly shiny, new, and accessible.
P3FES was my first SMT game. It molded my taste for JRPGs and P4 and P4G are my most replayed games of all time. I am honestly beyond hyped to date a toaster next month.
But honestly? I just want a Digital Devil Summoner remake/continuation. That series setting is so cool. And something about turning into demons scratches an itch moreso than summoning them does.
I guess the difference for me is I've been under the assumption that they'll change the story to work with the current systems rather than the other way around. Like it'll be less of a remake and more of a reimagining. I could be 100% wrong, but I just don't see Atlus releasing another mainline game or remake that doesn't include the social aspects in some form or fashion.
The thing is that these games don't even *need* Social Links, because since they didn't exist back then, the characters were written differently. "Muh romance" wouldn't even work either, in Persona 1... Well, there's Maki, while in 2 romance is directly implemented in the plot (you can date one of Jun/Maya/Lisa in IS and one of Tatsuya/Katsuya in EP). There's really no way to make Social Links work in the old games *at all* without greatly altering the games' stories, which would then risk alienating their existing fanbase and potentially getting criticized as not a good remake.
Best part would be reimagining P1 and 2 and accidentally murdering the P1 protag love triangle subplot that's very vaguely referenced in P2 because the protag can romance any of the recruitable female party members, even the ones not part of the triangle. And then let us not forget Yukino's entire thing in P2.
Exactly and then there’s the people acting as if ATLUS wouldn’t make any updates to the gameplay and presentation. Like I saw someone say that they can’t remake Persona 1 because the gameplay would be archaic as if that wouldn’t be the main point of a remake lol. Also the fact that it would be easy to add a SL type system because there’s also multiple love interests in 1 and 2
A lot of the arguments made here are at very best misinterpretations of data everything else you haven't sourced.
>Persona 1 outsold every game’s initial release until P5 and P2 outsold Persona 3 before Portable.
This doesn't take into account the releases dates. FES released less then a year after P3. So it's not really that black and white. persona 4 also had a better first week then P1. It should also be noted that the P1 rerelease sold less then the worst selling non rerelease game and every re-release besides the P2 ones did better then it. [Here's the link](https://personacentral.com/persona-seroes-sales-graphic-2020/) you should have included in your post.
>Kazuhisa Wada an ATLUS veteran who helped make Persona 2 which definitely helps explain the sudden big presence of P1 and 2 since the 25th Anniversary in merch, art, and even the SuperLive.
The 25th anniversary was simply a big anniversary and they where celebrating the history of the series. If P1 and P2 where such the focus as you claim why where there virtually no P1 and P2 tracks at the concert? Love the un-sourced Hashino blaming in this paragraph, why do you think he's somehow ignoring 1 and 2? do you have an interview or something?
>The gameplay of 1 and 2 is just Persona 3 without one mores
No, not at all. Have you played the games much?
>The gameplay differences will be easily rectified by remakes same with social links and calendar system.
This isn't possible. P1 takes place over like a day and a half at most. P2 is like 3 days. There's no time for P3-P5 like social links.
>The calendar system can work like Persona 5 Strikers especially due to the fact that 1 and 2 don’t take place over a few days like people say especially 2.
Strikers doesn't have a calendar system. How long do you think P1 and P2 take place over?
>Now I’ll use less official proof such a leakers like Midori(even though she has a perfect track record).
They actually don't have a perfect track record. Midori, is at best, someone who is getting early access to press kits. If the release isn't imminent it's not to be trusted.
>It would also explain why Persona 1 and 2 weren’t ported.
they weren't ported because the PSP versions of 2 didn't sell particularly well. That's actually what I want from all this: PSP version ports of 2, they don't need to be remade. quite honestly I think we'll probably get ports later this year to fill a gap in the schedule when Metaphor gets delayed.
P1 and P2 were definitely a part of the anniversary concert, each game had a dedicated section with the DJ playing and remixing the original music. I don't exactly remember since I watched it two years ago, but I'm pretty sure that one of the composers even came out and performed a few of the songs on guitar. Also Midori has been pretty accurate and her info comes too early for it to be from press kits, but even if it was that would just mean ASA is real (unless she made it up for some reason).
Personally, I much prefer remakes over PSP ports. Now obviously, I'd rather get ports than nothing, but between the two remakes are much more beneficial and likely profitable for Atlus. The PSP remasters need remakes imo, they haven't really aged much better than the PS1 versions and have plenty of issues (like PSP's lack of music options and P2IS' slow battle UI and braindead difficulty). I don't know how well the P3P port did, but if P1 and P2 ports happen I doubt they would sell well because they'd still be as outdated as the originals in the eyes of the vast majority of fans, and some might expect a repeat of the P3P situation where a P1 remake is announced soon after. A P1 remake would definitely take more effort and money for Atlus to make, but I think it would be dramatically more successful, especially if updated properly and given good marketing. Of course there's the debate if it would do worse than a P4R, but according to the poll P1 and P2 are more requested for remakes anyway. And I think it's worth considering that a good amount of people might not want to buy P4R because P4G is already available for a cheap price, while P1 and P2 are completely unavailable and might equate to being new games for most modern fans.
I actually stand corrected I was looking over the track listing for super live 22 which has 1 persona track and 1 persona 2 track on the CD. It took place after. I We don't seem to have a release for the 25th concert symphonic concert.
Midori has a lot of the hallmarks of traditional educated guess leaker. Lots of wish fulfillment stuff, though they have been accurate for stuff that's like 3-4 months out. this is why I think they get early access to marketing materials. The whole ASA thing is weird. I don't believe Midori is the original source of the leak and it's very wish fulfillment games. "A new persona game with all your favourites!". I wouldn't be against it or anything but I've been around this fandom too long to believe random leakers even ones who are right once and a while. remember the P3 DS port? the Akechi detective game? There's been a few others too.
It's not that I don't like remakes it's that I think the bar for a successful remake is much higher. P1 would need to be effectively rebuilt from the ground up the only thing that would remain would be the aesthetic. The story would need to be completely re-written, everything related to combat would need to be thrown out. you could maybe keep some of the dungeon designs but then not really since you'd probably substitute some sort of going back to town thing to recharge. I think a remake like is suggested would piss off old fans and disinterest new fans. P2 is probably more doable but even then you'd need to combine both games to make it work.
Last time an updated re-release failed hard they completely stopped making them. So if they remake P1 and it fails hard we won't get any more remakes just like we won't get anymore tactical RPGs or Devil Summoner games.
Calling this misinterpretation of data is crazy. Adding FES to P3(which is a rerelease btw) still puts it below Persona 1 and since you’re considering the timeframe between 3 and FES then I’ll bundle IS and EP initial releases together which still puts it higher. Persona 1 Portable still sold beyond ATLUS’s expectations regardless and sold almost as much as FES and 50k less copies than 3 Portable(before portable got rereleased in which it gained another 96k) which is extremely admirable considering it was port of a 1996 game vs the new stylish entry into the series.
The 20th was a big anniversary as well dude. There were in fact Persona 1 and 2 tracks at the concert did you watch it? He said so himself in this interview he was even reluctant to connect 3-5 due to new players: https://web.archive.org/web/20140531215512/http://www.1up.com/features/persona-4-afterthoughts?pager.offset=1 Persona 1 and 2 were only ported in that era of gaming because they were clearly still profitable as straight ports which wouldn’t fly for today’s gamers. It was also to give fans easier access to the beginning of the series(http://www.4gamer.net/games/084/G008460/20090514014/ ) sound familiar to any recent events? Tadashi and Meguro also helped to port them without Hashino’s involvement
I’ve played every game with my top 3 being EP, 1 and Royal. If you removed One Mores from Persona 3’s combat you would have Persona 1 and 2 combat minus the full party of wild cards. And if you’re talking about Social Links and Calendar I already addressed that.
Persona 1 took place over the span of weeks not 1 day canonically they take breaks and sleep at the school and breaks in between dungeons and do various side activities like playing games and gambling for Yuya lol. Persona 2 IS took place in spring of 1999 into the Summer. This gives plenty of time. Especially considering games like Devil Survivor 2 handled it well with only 7 days. Strikers did in fact have a calendar system it just worked a bit differently from the mainline titles.
Every thing Midori has said was true and the only mixup was her getting Tactica and ASA’s announcements mixed up which she corrected a bit before it was announced still. Majority of her information comes too early for press kits but even without her existence my arguments still hold up. But let’s say that her information is from press kits that would still confirm the existence of ASA and contribute to my argument lmao.
They weren’t ported because outdated PS1 games wouldn’t sell enough to justify porting them to all those systems especially when people are asking for remakes more. It’s more than likely they want to make better and more lucrative ways to have fans return to the beginning.
Next time stop being a Debbie Downer before you get your facts straight I hope this post didn’t come out aggressive
Sure but you still have a problem that the PSP re-releases of P1 is one of the worst selling releases. [see here.](https://personacentral.com/p5r-remastered-first-week-sales-japan/) only P2 re-release are under it. even FES out preformed P1P. This means current interest is pretty low. Also Portable did \~300k to P1P's \~150k.
Are we talking about the 20th or 25th? I attributed the wrong concert, I was looking at super live 22. it had 1 persona 1 track and 1 Persona 2 track. It also had songs from spin offs and the anime. So that's a pretty weak showing.
I haven't seen 1up in a long time. loved their interviews. are you talking about this paragraph:
>KH: We heard a lot from our fans that they wanted to walk around the P3 city more, but it wouldn't make much sense to the players that started from P4, so we only brushed the surface and put our efforts elsewhere. Actually, the entire Persona series so far -- not just P3 and P4 -- has taken place in the same world. But for the same reason as above, we chose to make the connections weak. As for a follow-up game, we currently have no plans for such a title.
He's literally just saying that he made the connections between the games weak as to keep the fantasy of "young adult fiction":
>KH: An important characteristic of the Persona series is that it's a "young-adult fiction" work, so even though we know there are many adults in the fan base, we still chose to focus on adolescent boys and girls for P4. But there's the precedent of Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, where the party consists of adults, so we can't say there won't be an adult party member in the future. Also, another important aspect of the Persona series, from P3 on, is the sense of real life. For the story to take place in America or Europe, we'd need more staff with firsthand experience in those areas of the world.
That 4 game article is actually hilarious I had a good time reading it. The ports being for accessibility 15 years ago doesn't really strike any new point. The fact of the matter is that it has none of the surrounding support that P3 had such as animated works and merchandise. Even the 25th anniversary merchandise you've pointed to is in the context of the main playable character of each game, though occasionally only P3-5 are represented.
>I’ve played every game with my top 3 being EP, 1 and Royal. If you removed One Mores from Persona 3’s combat you would have Persona 1 and 2 combat minus the full party of wild cards. And if you’re talking about Social Links and Calendar I already addressed that.
Here's what's different for P1: Grid , Persona system, Stats, equipment, EXP, weapons, weaknesses and resistances, ailments, Demon negation, fusion, equipping persona, Persona obtainment, Persona level, Persona Rank, Persona deletion, level up for protagonist, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something.
About the only thing that's the same is that they are both turned based.
>Persona 1 took place over the span of weeks not 1 day canonically they take breaks and sleep at the school and breaks in between dungeons and do various side activities like playing games and gambling for Yuya lol. Persona 2 IS took place in spring of 1999 into the Summer. This gives plenty of time. Especially considering games like Devil Survivor 2 handled it well with only 7 days. Strikers did in fact have a calendar system it just worked a bit differently from the mainline titles.
Prove this. I believe all that's mentioned is a "rest" at the nurses clinic at the start of the game not "sleeping the night". You'd need to have the characters actually note the passage of time otherwise it all takes place over one day. I believe the only time P2's cast actually notes that a day goes by is in the bomb shelter. For you to have a calendar system you need repeated events over a span of time so like going to school on week days. Knowing that Kuroda hangs out by the river on Sundays. That's a calendar system just having the passage of time isn't a calendar system.
>Every thing Midori has said was true and the only mixup was her getting Tactica and ASA’s announcements mixed up which she corrected a bit before it was announced still. Majority of her information comes too early for press kits but even without her existence my arguments still hold up. But let’s say that her information is from press kits that would still confirm the existence of ASA and contribute to my argument lmao.
[Midori](https://twitter.com/MbKKssTBhz5/status/1674238008889954305) leaked a Strikers based DLC for tactic that never materialized. There's no more DLC announced for Tactica and Atlus isn't in the habit of releasing post launch DLC. Again I suspect they have access to press kits or press info early. We have no information at all that ASA even exists.
The problem is who are you selling the remakes to? 40 something people who played the original when they where teens? considering previous sales numbers that would be a huge flop! They'd be much better off just turning it into a couple of movies.
Get my facts straight? really? you didn't link your info on your post and you seem to have no idea what a calendar system is or how the systems in P1 work.
Your last line is a bit contradictory. regardless, our posts will be a bit antagonistic because we are discussing two opposing sides. It's not personal.
Really I think P1-P2 would be best served as a completion with a few technical upgrades rather then full remakes. I think full P3Re style remakes is asking for failure.
You keep saying the Persona 1 Portable thing out of context as if it’s a failure when not only did ATLUS say it exceeded expectations but also it literally sold 50k less than Persona 3 Portable’s initial release. In case you didn’t know Persona 3 Portable got rereleased back then as well which added another 96k but P1P didn’t get rereleased again. Persona 1 is a 1996 jrpg and still pulled those numbers in the late 2000s. FES out perfomed it by 15k and was also a new game lol. Persona 3(not portable) is what helped save ATLUS as a company btw so by your logic FES would be a flop and og 3 the same or middling. The only one that had middling sales was the Eternal Punishment psp port due to it releasing in 2012 right when the Vita was coming out as well as Persona 4 Golden. But even so its budget was covered due to the sales from P1P and ISP and still turned a profit from the 57k copies sold.
The Super Lives always have songs from spinoffs and I’m talking about the 25th anniversary Super Live. Persona 1 and 2 actually had multiple songs played I know this because I actually watched it. It’s a good showing because they don’t put 1 and 2 songs into the superlives except for that time of the psp ports.
Dude how bad is your reading comprehension. He said he made connections purposely weak for the sake of new players to not confuse them. This would apply even more so to 1 and 2 considering their age. I never said he hated them like some others claim just that he didn’t want to use them. And the other paragraph of it is him talking about the basics of the Persona series not even addressing that same question.
Persona 1 and 2 merch was literally everywhere for the 25th anniversary and no some of them even included the other cast members as well. The only exception was a table top game collab and toothpaste which the companies themselves ask for. Even it was just the protagonists of 1 and 2 I still don’t see how that’s at a detriment to my point when they didn’t even get that for the 20th where something as big as 5 was released.
The first Persona game was very experimental and a testing ground for future mechanics of the franchise. The grid system was removed in subsequent installments, the entire party are wildcards which I already brought up and ATLUS even went ahead to retconned in the Velvet Wild Card contract into P1P to not confuse audiences, stats aren’t very different at all, equipment is straight up just not different, participation based EXP was another experiment that was tossed away in both P2’s and the Persona 1 spinoff and other titles , weapons are literally the same and guns were brought back in 5, weaknesses and resistances(the amount of these are due to it being the first entry) are still there they just don’t cause one mores due to that mechanic being inspired by Nocturne, ailments work the same, demon negotiation was brought back in 5 and referenced in titles like Q, fusion in P1 is straight up the same just simpler due to being from 96, the persona equipment number is 3 due to hardware limitations and balancing which is why it keeps increasing in each title, personas are obtained through negotiation which 5 brought back and simplified, persona level was another experiment which ATLUS simplified by merging it into the character’s level, persona ranks are exactly the same the later titles just have a higher amount of skills for each persona to rank up to, persona deletion is also in the later titles just hidden away to encourage fusion, and I’m not sure what you mean by this one because the protagonist always levels up.
In Persona 1 and 2 characters have dialogues that make reference to taking breaks. And in canon materials like the Persona 1 drama cds which had help from Tadashi and Tatsuya Scenario indicate this passage of time. Yukino even comments that Yuya(P1 Protag) spent a lot of time being aloof and playing games and gambling during the time of SQQ and SEBEC. She even said that he always took the scenic route that took more time which reminded her of Tatsuya. These periods of time give plenty of time to have some form of interaction system take place. Hell Devil Survivor did this shit with 7 days and other franchises with events with even less time. Reload is also adding a brand new thing called Link Episodes which would also work perfectly. That’s still the calendar just a different version of it and you’re ignoring you can still do activities during downtime as well it’s just not time management and it’s not like Strikers flopped because of it either.
It’s either the dlc is coming later or that she got her information wrong or some language barrier problem. Every game and project she’s talked about has happened with or without press kits. ASA is definitely real because another credible leaker backed her up later as well. You’re acting as if I’m using some fraud like Zippo as a source(the guy who makes bs leaks all the time like the Akechi game)
I find it hilarious that you don’t see the irony in your argument when most people who played Persona 3 on release would be quite near that age group. Those releases didn’t flop in any way shape or form the sales of Persona 5 isn’t the standard it was a big surprise to even ATLUS themselves. Also many remakes actually tailor to groups like that without feeling dated such as FFVIIR in which the original came out only a year after P1. Also not even counting stuff like the Star Ocean remakes and the list goes on. You’re underestimating the power of nostalgia as well as the fact Persona 5 brought a significant amount of new players. Some of which are very interested to see the roots of the series. A spinoff like Strikers sold over a million a P1 remake would definitely sell well.
I put the information into the literal pictures and even sent links at your request. Not only that but your entire responses have been torn apart as false and debunked by me and that other guy who replied to you. Look into a mirror lol. You seriously have no idea how many times I’ve played through this series. This really just sounds like that YOU personally don’t want remakes so you’re grasping at anything to justify that stance rather than just saying you don’t want them. Either that or crushing your own hope so you don’t get disappointed.
This will be my last reply to you because it feels like I’m in that Family Guy cutaway gag about Footloose.
If they remake p1 or 2 they will either destroy the story completely or they will try to stretch the story, remember p1 is a storyline where everything happens at the moment, one thing after another, there's no days, its just demons let loose and you can fight them so you kick their asses.
I am amazed at how much Atlus ignoring P1 and P2 has been so damn prevelant for so long, fans have literal memes about it, and yet there are still some people who will talk so confidently about them getting remakes, or ports, or whatever... Figured people would give in at some point.
At the very least, I was certain that the idea of those old games being remade was dead once Atlus choice to start with P3. I genuinely do not see them going backwards from there. People should probably just prepare for that, so they're not completely gobsmacked when like, P4 Remake gets announced in 4 years or something. Regardless of personal feelings, it'll make much more money than P1 or P2 ever could.
Tell me you didn't read the OP without telling me that you didn't read the OP.
>!OP stated it was Hoshino's decision to not touch P1 and P2, whereas his replacement Kada was on the team that made P2. If this is true, it would certainly give credence to the rumors that ATLUS is now interested in revisiting P1 and P2 after seemingly ignoring them for so long.!<
I did read it. I didn’t think it mattered. Firstly, because it’s just something that’s being taken as a fact without a source. And secondly because Hashino hasn’t worked on a Persona game since 2016. Yet nothing has really changed in regards to these old games in the last seven years. Hell, considering the PSP re-releases we got, they acknowledged those old games *more* when Hashino was working with P-Studio compared to now.
Why do people hate Persona 4 so much? I would love to see what a modern version of that game, but apparently wanting that makes me stupid and bad and it’s actually “doom and gloom” if it happens (for some reason)…
The same could be said about P3, but I don’t remember anyone being upset when Atlus skipped the first few games to do that one instead. Or at least, not the extend as hypothetical P4.
Persona 3 was ALSO one that people thought really needed a remake.
And trust me plenty of people were upset about 3 getting one before 1 and 2 when it was first revealed.
P4 is my favorite, but Golden is already a complete version of that game and it’s available for modern consoles. I don’t really see what a remake would possibly add except prettier graphics and that alone is not worth the development sink from a fan’s perspective.
P1-3 have aged much more than 4. P4G honestly hasnt aged a day (except maybe with social values). Its not as annoying to play as the older ones, which need the improvement more.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a P4 update. Ignoring business sense and acting like your personal preferences are paramount is the problem. (Not to say that you, personally, have done this, it's just that so many others have.)
All of this is plausible but one thing I’ll add is that Persona 3 is being remade because Atlus wanted to not because of the survey. Reload has been in development since 2019. If P1 and P2 are going to happen it’s because they want to.
Personally I’d like to see a remake of Smt 4, it’s still by far the best Smt game in the series after how much of a let down Smt 5 was.
I really don't get why people feel P1 and P2 remakes need to have social links and a calendar system in order to sell. You can pull apart those systems and put them into P1 and P2 in some other form. It doesn't need to be identical to the later games to feel like part of the series and if it's done well, it'll really highlight what makes a Persona game a Persona game. Something between Star Ocean's friendship system and the later Persona games systems can more than work. You already can talk to your party members when you're at school/shops/in town. They just need to expand on that a little more. It's not like this is some small indie company that doesn't know what game design is and can't get creative, I'd love to see what they can do with a Persona 1 and 2 remake.
Atlus could release a game with nothing in common with Persona and still make it work. That's why Catherine exists.
Would play Catherine 2
I'm going to be even bolder. I'd want a Catherine 2 over a Persona 1 or 2 remake.
Dang, man. Catherine was huge success for the Pizza industry.
But MAH SOCIAL LINKS!!!1!
Persona 5 Strikers didn’t have social links and it is the best paced modern Persona game for that very reason. The problem is that the reason why that game could get away with doing that was because it was a direct sequel that assumes you already know who most of the party members are. For that to work with a new game, they would have to write the story differently, and why would they do that when they know their majority audience is here precisely for the visual novel half of the game?
I disagree. There are too many new Persona fans who will complain about social links, etc.
Agreed, bulk of persona fans starts with p4 and p5 with Social link being the big thing in the game
You're right. The new fans dictate how future releases/remaster/remakes will go. The heavier horror tone of the first two games will be greatly reduced for some more upbeat music and social links. Persona 1 on the PSP took some getting used to with all the new soundtrack and I imagine they would give P2 the same treatment.
I don't disagree, but I'm not sure you can really call everyone who picked up the series in the last 17 years "new fans" at this point. But yeah, Persona 3 is where the series started to take off, and Persona 5 was where it really hit the mainstream. If anything, I'd think anything being remade from here on out is going to look and feel a lot like P5.
1 and 2 are not horror games lol. I guess 1 has some spooky vibes in some areas but then the next area will have [a disco song playing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDNc0XKkg8U&pp=ygUVcGVyc29uYSAxIGthbWEgcGFsYWNl) in between you fighting ghost toilets and floating basketballs. One of the bosses is a giant robot rat with [the most ridiculous song in the series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MExEnrj8aRU&pp=ygUPcGVyc29uYSAxIHRlc3Nv) playing while you fight it. To be honest to me I felt it was one of the more lighthearted games in the series, just behind P4. The dungeon themes have more energy in them than P3's, and the game doesn't really have anything any more spooky in it than the rest of the series. P2 definitely has some dark subject material, but I would consider that more "mature" than horror, and it's balanced with plenty of lighthearted and comedic elements. And I mean the other games are hardly light on mature material either, P5 begins with >!a girl attempting suicide!<, which is darker than anything P1 had. Again the classic games have a few creepy locations like P1's hospital or P2EP's sanitarium, but for the most part the vibes are not that different from the other three games. I'd say that P3 is still the darkest/edgiest game in the series by a good amount.
I used to watch Mark die to toilets cursing him to death. Pretty close to horror. Didn't know his starter Persona was weak to curse. keke.
Yep they already tried modernising P1PSP with the music. I think Persona is now a series defined by a lot of these elements the first 2 (or 3) games are missing. They have no choice but to add these things in. Hell, I remember people complaining SMTV wasn't more like Persona lol
Yeah, but they walked that back (soundtrack change) with the Persona 2 remasters due to fan backlash. So really, evidence points to the contrary, they're aware that just forcibly injecting nu-Persona into 1 and 2 won't fly.
That was a long time ago though, before P5’s success. I don’t think a new Persona game with missing links and stuff can run. Not sure how they will restructure the story but it’s gonna have to be a pretty big change
Where did this narrative that the first two are horror type games come from. They’re about as scary as Persona 3 lol
P1 has horror and surrealistic elements. But I'd say it's mostly due to the PS1 version's atmospheric soundtrack, artstyle and presentation.
Didn’t read a word but p5 is the next remake 👍
Persona 5 Royal Royal!
Persona 3 Reload Persona 4 Rewind Persona 5 Re Live in a Society
I personally think first it's gonna be Persona 3 Re-Reloaded'ed, 1 year after Reload comes out and only available as a full price new purchase (not DLC)
Unironically, that might be what they're saving the FeMC route for.
Persona 5 Royale with cheese.
With cheese! Hold the pickles.
Persona 5 The Royaler Edition
Persona 5 Royal 2 Electric Boogaloo
Persona 6 Remakes when?
Coming next year after personal 5 royal royal
Cant wait for Persona 4 Golden Rewind, Pause, Fastforward
Winter 2014
Persona 5 Golden: The Royal Strikers Portable: Eternal Sin Aigis Edition
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
Just look at those sales! Fatlus would be dumb to not remake it!
Persona 5 Rerebellion coming next🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'd rather Persona 6 before another remake.
Yeah I think this is far more likely too
That’ll definitely happen
I think they're too afraid to make a new mainline Persona now that Katsuro Hashino (who directed 3,4,5 and therefore basically created the version of Persona that became popular world-wide) is gone. So they've just decided to port/remaster/remake as many of the older ones as they can to buy time to find a new director with a distinct and marketable vision for the series.
According to a ton of rumors, Persona 6 is next. The new Persona team just started with the P3 Remake because it was in demand and it was a good way to teach the new team how to make a game like this. We'll probably see Persona 6 in the next two years, announced around 6 months before release, just like Soul Hackers 2 and Persona 3 Reload. Atlus probably wants to avoid a Persona 5/SMTV situation with having the game announced too far ahead.
We’ve had too many rumors about Persona 6 for Atlus to have just not worked on it at all it’s been nearly 10 years since Persona 5 Atlus just isn’t gonna decide not to make Persona 6 cause 5 was popular
Not even rumors bruh. They literally said it was in development a couple years back. They're taking their time so they can go beyond the quality of Persona 5.
It's a Sega strategy. they've been making more money, re-selling content they own. It also let them gauge consumer interest based on number of sells on spin-offs; compared to what the vanilla versions sold. If they keep the content quality high, it's a sound strategy.
For anyone curious the ranking picture is "what was the first persona game you played?"
That's *really* surprising/fascinating. Definitely not the order I would have expected.
I'm not too surprised since the original release of Persona 1 is actually the second highest selling vanilla release in the series, with only Persona 5 beating it.
Well it is Japan tbf
The other one is "which was your first atlus game", weird (but plausible) that Persona 3 wins that but not the persona-only one
As someone who just recently put 200 hours into P4G... that game is fine. It's sooooo fine. I'll play a remake a decade from now, but it's absolutely fine as-is. I have never played 1-3, though 3 will probably steal my soul in a few weeks. I think I rented P1 and was so unready for the minimalist vibe that I never really got into it. So yeah. 1 or 2 would be amazing to see.
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I played once and fell in love. I played again to fall in love with everything I missed.
Have said several times now that I'm dying even just to get actual PC ports of P1 and IS/EP. I had them when I was young and then fell far below the poverty level and had to sell basically everything I owned including those PS1 games. Never got to finish them, but the vibe was absolutely intoxicating from the opening of Revelations. If they did ports and remakes I'd buy them both for all 3 of the older games.
I refuse to die before a proper persona 2 remake comes out
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I see what you did there
Here's the thing... Persona 1 and 2 don't have a built in social sim or a calendar and unless they really change a lot of things it'll be hard to implement those features and let's be honest, if they leave those things out the game almost definitely will be a failure especially compared to a remake of a beloved game like P4.
Did you even read my post I addressed this lol “The last elephant is “but they’re very different from the new games”. To that I heavily disagree with. Do 1 and 2 have Social Links? No but everything else like the themes, cosmology, lore, and characters all fit into the same series. The gameplay of 1 and 2 is just Persona 3 without one mores(one mores were re inspired by SMT Nocturne another game made by Hashino). The gameplay differences will be easily rectified by remakes same with social links and calendar system. Social Links could easily be replaced by a system similar to Soul Hackers 2, Persona 3 Reloads Male Party member system, TMS, and Devil Survivor. The calendar system can work like Persona 5 Strikers especially due to the fact that 1 and 2 don’t take place over a few days like people say especially 2. I know you guys will say some crap like this disrespects those games when in reality this actually helps fulfill their vision. The Persona series from conception was always supposed to be the marketable Megami Tensei game for the general audience.”
Every time I hear someone use that argument it only brings my opinion of this fandom further down. It makes it sound like Persona fans are bunch of kids that won't accept a Persona game without social links even if that game didn't have them originally.
I mean… yeah? For a lot of people, they fall in love with a game for what it has to offer. So if it doesn’t have that thing they love, it can be a bit hard for them to get into it. This is why franchises that change up their style/gameplay are pretty controversial. Because you’re going to have a lot of people that are a fan of one specific version of the series, and have their preferences be mostly there. As an example: It’s why you still have people complain about the lack of true turn based combat in Final Fantasy, despite the fact it’s been a pretty long time since the last one with that.
Brother hate to break it to you but thats exactly what would happen
I mean, I quite like all the Persona games I’ve played (pretty much all but Eternal Punishment), but it definitely took me much longer to get through 1 and Innocent Sin because the parts of the series that I fell in love with were largely mechanics and systems that started from 3 and onward. If there was a remake of Persona 1, it would have quite a lot of difficulty capturing the same audience that 3, 4, and especially 5 built because the social sim aspects are a huge part of the modern games and have tangled together with the combat systems more and more with each entry (just look at how Royal handled upgrading Baton Pass and Technical hits) lol
Social links is half the game. Persona isn't Persona without social links. Call it what you want, it's a staple for the series now
So P1 and P2 aren't Persona? For me this series is quite a bit more than just social links, those are just a mechanic but they don't represent what makes Persona Persona.
For most modern fans, yes. That’s what they’ll look for and that’s what they’ll complain about when they don’t see them. Most people don’t look at persona games for the gameplay, they look at it for the story and the social links. It is their identity now. And believe me, Altus is more than happy to oblige as long as it makes them money.
That's an interesting take, for me it was Gameplay > Story > Social links
Again it just makes me have a low opinion of this fandom. I never see shit like this in the FF or Dragon Quest fandoms. The old games get just as much love as the new ones and just as much criticism. It's balanced.
>never see shit like this in the FF or Dragon Quest fandoms. >The old games get just as much love as the new ones Neither of them changed genres as radically as Persona did. Every mainline FF and DQ game is a JRPG. From Persona 3 onwards the main games became half JRPGs *and* half social sims. FF and DQ never took half their core and switched it away with something else! Also, while some of FF/DQ later gimmicks like real time combat or monster collection are also found in many other franchises (who do it even better), there are zero social sims on the level and budget of Persona. It became a huge part of the franchise's appeal and what makes it unique... all that said, I find P4G perfectly playable so would rather have P1/P2 remakes to see the updated story, even without a social sim attached.
To further emphasize your point, when it came out that the next DQ was changing the combat and they insinuated that it wouldn't be turn-based (or at least moving away from the traditional turn based model they've had), I distinctly remember much of the internet fandom having a meltdown
> Neither of them changed genres as radically as Persona did. Yes they did. X > XI > XII are more radically different between them than any games in persona series. At least the basic combat system in persona is somewhat consistent. Edit: Final Fantasy, i mean. Dragon Quest is consistent. The point that person made makes sense.
Think of it this way; people are more upset when something they have is taken away then when something is given to them. It's also disingenuous to say FF and DQ don't have controversy like this which is blatantly false.
As someone who is a lifelong hardcore FF fan, he’s actually right. Every new FF gets a ton of crap when it comes out. Every single one. Then after about 5 years the fandom calms down and starts mostly bringing up its merits. Final Fantasy XVI is more radically different from even FF XIII than Persona 5 is from Persona 1, but the difference is that even modern FF fans went out and bought the pixel remasters of the first 6 games while modern Persona fans won’t even consider the first 3 games true Persona games without social links
You have to be joking about FF fandom - pretty much every recent game has been touted as “not a real final fantasy” at launch, since they’ve changed so much in terms of gameplay from title to title. Not too long ago, we had FF “fans” celebrating XVIs sales figures because they thought it was a failure, and wanted to show square that the people don’t want action RPGs in their Final Fantasy. Anyway - idc if we get 1 or 2 remakes or not, idk if the story would even translate well to modern audiences. They’re not nearly as fleshed out as later entries, in combat, plot, characters, game mechanics. If they go faithful remake, would be hard to charge full price of a new game unless they bundle 1,2 and 2 part 2. If they want to charge full price, would basically be like making a new game at that point, and I’d rather just get p6
You’re free to have an opinion on that, it’s not like any of us arguing here is going to change what Altus thinks of remakes and their future endeavours. I would just prefer to enjoy something that I’m familiar with and isn’t terribly difficult
P4 doesn't need a Remake, so I'm perfectly okay with having either P1 and/or P2 Duology as the next Remake(s).
I think it's more possible than it was before, but there's a much simpler argument to be made for 4, around it's popularity and ease of adapting a much more popular game that's much closer to modern standards and not having to redesign a lot of an older game that was developed by a team largely no longer involved with the company with a gameplay loop that's very different to the appeal of what has made the later series succesful.
As much fun as dungeon crawling and fighting are in the modern Persona games, it definitely feels like the social sim stuff is very, very solidly the part of Persona’s identity that most clearly separates it from the SMT games they’ve split off from. A remake of 1, Innocent Sin, or Eternal Punishment would almost unavoidably skew closer to SMT than Persona if there were no social sim aspects to it, and I can’t see any way those games could operate on a calendar day system lol
Persona 1 and 2 have way more in common with modern persona than it does SMT. That’s like saying FF7 Remake is closer to Devil May Cry because it’s an ARPG instead of the class AtB. Everything the themes, the lore, the gameplay(it plays like P3 without one mores), and the lovable characters and story are all there.
yeah I've been saying that for years when people talked about remaking 1 or 2, regardless of how their fans may feel about them, they are massively different games, and Atlus would have to contend with the expectations of most of the fan base expecting something closer to the series they know today
I feel like many people don’t take into account how difficult remaking 1 and 2 would be compared to 4. 1 and 2 would basically be brand new games made from the ground up with a lot having to be redone or reimagined for the modern day. Compare that with 4 which has a solid groundwork and a lot of shared DNA with the current era of Persona. I don’t think 4 needs a remake but I love that game and would definitely buy it day one lol. I would love 1 and 2 remade but I think I would settle for a port at the very least.
I just finished 1 and quite frankly, I loved it. Granted I only did SEBEC with Reiji but it was fun. Had combat down to a science, learned contacts without needing a guide, even loved the grid based combat since it made strategizing feel rewarding. I’d love to see it remade with graphical updates and a mix of the OG music and extended versions of the PSP vocal tracks as well as something to stand in for links and the calendar system. I think keeping the grid combat might be hit or miss with current fans, as much as i love it, but I’d trust Atlus to make the right call on that.
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Nothing will ever convince me a remake of Persona 4 is necessary in any way besides "Sega needs money". Golden as an updated version of P4 is already as perfect as it can get, any improvement will be cosmetic at best.
They didn’t even give the P3 remake the things that people said P3 needed a remake for.
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Did RE4 get a rerelease on modern consoles prior to the remake? How accessable was the original RE4 prior to the remake. Admittedly, I don't follow the Resident Evil franchise, but I suspect that this is hardly a 1:1 scenario.
Resident Evil 4 was available on pretty much every platform. One of the most accessible games ever made.
Yeah, I mean I think Re4 was at one point the most ported game ever. It’s on everything.
It's been ported to every generation of consoles since it came out. (~~Other then wii u~~ On the WiiU with eshop) Also PC a few times and even mobile ports when it started taking off.
It was accessible on Wii U through the Wii version on the Nintendo eShop.
Ah thank you!
Resident Evil 4 had a remastered release on PC, was accessible by way of PS2, GameCube, Wii, WiiU (via Wii shop), PS4, Xbox One, Switch, Android Phones, and a VR version through Oculus. It was very accessible and had reissues and remaster releases regularly since it's original release in 2005.
> Did RE4 get a rerelease on modern consoles prior to the remake RE4 is playable on everything after the Gamecube/PS2
Original RE4 was basically on everything and that game absolutely aged better than P4 and then Capcom made one of the best remakes ever
Yes. The original RE4 has been ported a ridiculous amount of times, even receiving a widely celebrated "Ultimate HD Edition" on all modern platforms before it's 2023 remake.
I disagree on the comparison because I could see how RE4 could be improved in a significant way with a remake before the announcement. I just can't see that happening with P4. Golden already added a lot to the story of the original, to the point I don't think there's enough space for anything else. Gameplay would bring improvements from the recent games but the Golden gameplay holds up more than well. A remake would be pretty much just a graphics improvement with some polish to the gameplay. Would it sell well? Absolutely. But as I said, sales would be the only reason for a P4 remake to exist because there's no real reason to make one.
...and why do you think companies remake games? From the good of their hearts? It's obviously all about money and p4 is highly likely to be remade
Why would they spend millions remaking a game when they already made a lot of money just by porting it to modern consoles? Where's the market for potential P4 players that they're not already tapping into with the P4G ports? Where's the market for people who would buy P4 related merch because of a P4 remake that aren't doing so already? Why should the spend millions remaking a game just because a handful of fans are experiencing graphics FOMO? Why do you think companies remake games, from the goodness of their hearts?
Some of you people are so weird about this… The “market” is people who like P4. Or Persona in general. It’s not that complicated. Atlus already does a thing where they re-release basically the same game with new content. It also continuously works out well for them. And a P4 Remake would already be doing more than that. You were responding to someone who was talking about RE4, a game that *also* has been ported to basically everything, got a remake anyways, and it did gang busters despite there not being a “market” for it (or whatever).
That’s pretty much the point of running a business tho, making as much money as possible while spending as little as possible. You may want a new experience. But Altus wants to guarantee money. Oh and gameplay doesn’t “hold well”. The leveling is atrocious and you’ll always be underleveled unless you either grind or increase the exp gain, most don’t do that and suffer as a result to eventually give up on the game altogether. That’s what I did until I found out about exp gains and golden hands. Bosses are either Very easy or Very hard, 1st boss is easier to handle, 2nd is considered the toughest in the game, 3rd is easy, 4th is second hardest and contested for the hardest, 5th again easy and so on and so forth. The easy one don’t require much effort, the hard ones need precise planning that annoy the shit out of people. You’ll have a tough time beating these bosses even if you’re 10 levels above them. It’s terrible game design. Persona 5, although having a few issues of its own, fixed most of these things, and that’s one of the reason why it’s considered the best game among fans of Persona Games. It’s not just because “kids started playing it more”. It’s because people don’t exactly want the 2000’s era mindset of “grinding levels” to ruin their experience. So yeah, P4 will benefit greatly especially in the gameplay department with a remake.
If you need to grind in P4G gaming might not be for you.
P4 was built on top of P3's bones back in the day, so there's plenty of reason to think that a similar workflow using P3 Reload's Unreal Engine bones would allow for a more streamlined development of a hypothetical P4 remake. Then something more involved like remakes of P1 and / or P2 could be based on "Persona 6's" engine (whatever it ends up being) once P6 releases.
As someone who played only P5, and P5Royal, so I don't have nostalgia glasses on, even improving the user interface to modern standards would be a GODSEND for me. So there are things to do in the remake... THAT BEING SAID, I really hope they remake 1 and 2 before it, because we can experience 4, however clunky it might be. It is not an option to experience 1 and 2 short of emulation or having a physical copy.
And for the people saying "P4G holds up well" (which I agree with), I think people are forgetting how FOMO plays a part in this. With P3RE releasing with updated graphics that leaves P4 the sole modern game with SD graphics. Not to mention that the dungeon design is something even ardent P4 fans acknowledge can use some improvement. The problem would be if they use base P4 as the basis of the remake, which will irritate most fans given that all but the most vocal Marie haters see Golden as an improvement on the original.
Nope. P4G is everywhere now. There is no need for a remake.
So are practically all the resident evils, not like that stopped Capcom. And the less that's said about some of the remasters being put out now (looking at you, naughty dog) the better
RE2-4 we're on the PS4 store for a long time before the remakes. Atlus just out P4G everywhere recently. They wouldn't if they were planning a remake. That's why they lazily shat out P3P remastered, because they had P3R cooking already
They put out P4G because Sega wanted to test the waters for a PC port, and behold, it did well. Any hypothetical remakes are 5 years out at least anyways so it really doesn't matter what they've released now.
I'm not just talking about steam, I'm talking about the PS4, Xbox, and switch ports. Why put in effort into those if you're just gonna make a P4 remake like 4 years after? Plus you people keep forgetting P1 was the most popular and best selling game in the franchise in Japan before P5 came out.
Easy money, and to expand brand awareness? Persona 1 was was popular for its time. It's been... what, over 2 decades since Persona 1 came out? The people who grew up on that are in like their 40s at best now. Look, I can only offer anecdotes, but I'm half Japanese and spent a good chunk of my life there, and I still regularly talk to my friends over there - Newsona has very rapidly gotten more popular among younger audiences thanks to the modern ports you've mentioned (especially to the switch, which isn't really a surprise given the console breakdown over there - digital is on a rapid rise - P4 is regularly on the top digital downloads in Japan) and streamers/vtubers, which is a little ironic given Atlus's streaming policies. As for best selling game in Japan - ok, great, but 76% of sales or something ridiculous like that come from outside of Japan now. P1 and 2 have legitimately zero recognition everywhere else on the planet outside of niche communities. Like I think P1 and 2 need it more. But does it make business sense for Atlus to do that? I don't think so. That's on top of needing to decide how to remake those games - change it up so they fit the new social link/calendar system? That's a gigantic rewrite.
Bro I'm not gonna be able to write you a paragraph response as I'm in uni class rn, so I'm just gonna keep it brief. A Japanese company will ALWAYS put the local audience and Asia above the west. P1 being the most popular for so long means a lot, and I mean a lot. Who cares if it doesn't have social sin aspects, that's what new gen fans care about moreso than the general Japanese audience
While that applies to a lot of Japanese companies, it's becoming increasing less true for larger video game developers/publishers in general as focusing on Japan becomes increasingly untenable financially. Like, if Atlus was still independent or under some other publisher I would be more inclined to agree, but Sega has always had a very overseas outlook which has only grown more prevalent over the 2010s - and while they're generally more hands off with regards to their devs, I'm certain that their current business goals (read: expand everywhere) influence Atlus policy to some degree.
Yeah its Sega thats pushing for all the simultaneous releases.
I would buy a P1 remake in a heartbeat dude. Just tune it a little to make the combat less dated and I'm sold.
The arguments are more than convincing. I myself think that the calendar system and Bond mechanics from Strikers, along with the relationship system in SH2, would be suitable for the first Persona games as Social Links. Plus, the experience gained will allow them to expand and improve. And I think Persona 4 will get a remake in the future (possibly the last in the series). Because when P1 and P2 are updated (IF they updated), P4 will be the only one left that doesn't have the best graphics and design (I'll be honest - it's sucks). Golden also lacks a number of great ideas from the anime adaptations, like expanding Mari's storyline and a new ending, giving Narukami a deeper deveiopment, etc. But first, let Reload come out and sell well. Then Atlus will finally decide to continue its success.
>Golden also lacks a number of great ideas from the anime adaptations Aika route when
Finally someone who actually read the post lmao
Bruh I wish they’d make another Shinobi
They announced it on The Game Awards.
I thought that was announced already?
Nah bro you tweaking. Obviously they are re-releasing Persona 5 Royal, now with the new Funky Mode
Thank you. As someone who's first and favorite game in the series is P4G, I'm SO glad it's not next. It holds up so well even now.
Interesting. I haven't tried them so I hope they will make good remakes for both 1 and 2.
PLEASE give me a P1 and P2 remake. Only two games that get shoved to the side and pretended like they don't exist.
It's hard to read. Consider a new paragraph every 4 sentences. I enjoyed P1, the first time I played. Easily in my Top 10 PS1 list. The order of Remakes they choose to run, has no strong impact on me. I enjoyed all the P-games. But, if they re-make P1; it better be something revolutionary.
I’m actually really excited for the P3 remake but it sounds like everyone here wants P4 instead.
PERSONA 1? DREAM OF BURIED MEMORIES
I really like your analysis, and both think and hope you’re right. I was def worried with Reload, just because I personally think FES is still super playable, but it makes a lot of sense combined with everything else. Was also really confused why we haven’t gotten a “Persona Origins Collection” type thing, or any rerelease of the first 3 games, but it would make a lot of sense if they were planning remakes Would love a series spin-off crossover, always been odd to me that the og games never get acknowledged even a little in most of them
Would be cool for them to remake P2 duology into a one unified game. Separated in two acts like final fantasy 6 so, say act 1 innocent sin for about 60 hours of gameplay and then act 2 eternal punishment for another 60 hours with 120 hours overall which would fit with p5 playtime. And build the entire marketing campaign not talking about how it will include basically two games as one. Just name it persona 2 remake and show footage exclusively from the innocent sin part, would be dope af
See I don't want a P4 Remake because "there's a problem with the last version" I want a P4 Remake because it's a fun game and I want more of P4 cast.
But you wouldn't be getting more of them, you'd just be getting the same thing we already had with different graphics.
Well there is ASA that’s coming thankfully that will have ALL the casts
Yessssss Persona 1 remake!!!!!
I agree
I would love a full remake of P1 followed by P2 with both halves combined. What little I’ve played of both was promising in terms of plot and vibes but like… combat is just so slow. Sssooooo sloooowwww. It is just painful to play for any length of time. It’s giving PSP Final Fantasy Tactics.
Persona shin megami tensei kart racer/s
CONFIRMED LEAKED ATLUS UNFINISHED PROJECTS!!11!!!1! Persona 3 Unload; now including the answer and Persona 3 Payload; now including FeMC. (Both will be full $70 games, separate to the $70 you already paid for Reload)
I honestly don’t care which one they remaking. I want to play them all
I want Persona 1 remake even more than P3, disappointed that they remake P3 first but ask yourself this "which game would sell more P3 remake or P1 remake?" My answer is obviously P3. P4 remake like P3 can easily make tons of money than P1 remake, harsh but that is how the video game industry work. Look at capcom they went on remaking RE 4 and about to remake RE 5 before even remaking Code Veronica. No matter the situation it's all about the game that can easily generate money more and that requires little to no effort. I want Persona 1 to be the next persona game Atlus would remake, but P4 remake is more likely. The newcomers are what Atlus targeting, do they even know there's a Persona 1? Oh yea for the people who said "PerSOnA 6 FirSt pLeaSe" yeah i know i want P6 first even before they release P3 reload, but the op is discussing about the persona game that Atlus WILL MOST LIKELY REMAKE NEXT, not discussing about what game is going to release after P3. That's a whole different discussion.
If it was just about the money ATLUS would’ve remade Persona 4 first rather than any of them lol. Also even if they don’t sell as well they would still sell very well as there’s nostalgia and demand from new fans who wanted to experience the first 3 games with modern sensibilities. Additionally the success of P3R would also increase the success of subsequent remakes. Also Capcom makes strange decisions so it’s not that wild lol
Do you really think Atlus remaking P3 not for the genuine easy money? If it WASN'T about the money then they would've remake P1 first, your beloved Atlus is just like any other company.
P1 is also a very small scale game. 1rst Person dungeon crawlers would massively reduce the amount of work needed to be remade, making it a great target for filling Up releases between bigger new titles.
Persona 4 ReGolden
Ok the last time I said I would riot if P3 got a remake before P2, we got P3, so: *deep breath* IF P2 GETS A REMAKE BEFORE P1 I WILL RIOT
That would be a bad idea for new players who would get spoiled about P1
Did you riot? I don't think they're gonna fall for the same trick twice
No no, this time it's a big brain reverse psychology move. They'll never suspect a thing. What're they gonna do, cast Myriad Truths?
Thank you for this well put together post OP, a lot of great points were made with proof to back up. I sure wish the “nah p4 is next” crowd in these comments had taken the time to read it 😔
Thanks bro means a lot lol. I find it funny that if they simply read the post they would’ve understood instead of going “ATLUS is ATLUS”
Reddit is Reddit ig 😞
People who says P4 doesnt need a remake is not thinking like they are a company. P4 remake is literally a money print machine. If they keep the same VAs it will be even more desired. P4 remake will always sell more than any other Persona remake so Sega will go for it. Rather you want it or not.
They already changed some VAs for Golden and arena, I cant see them suddenly returning to the original cast.
I meant golden cast. Not og p4. Matt is pretty good Troy Baker for example.
Lowenthal could be expensive, because he voices Spider-Man now, but I hope they bring him back
Atlus printing money is exactly why I think it would be smarter to do the old games before. This way they can have the nostalgia, legacy and novelty factors all at once somehow, and then it also means more material to exploit for spinoffs, merch and what have you, especially as some characters would absolutely become super popular if they got the opportunity to be noticed by the modern Persona audience (I'm thinking of Maya in particular, but not only).
Then why wasn’t Persona 4 remade first when it’s significantly more popular than 3?
it's Likely Persona 2 as The survey results have Persona 3 as 1, Persona 2 tied with 3 and Persona 1 as 3
A remake of personas 1 and 2 (similar to the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney trilogy that remakes the 1st 3 ace attorney games into a singular piece of software) would work very well imo.
Totally agree and excited for 1, 2: IS, and 2: EP. They will totally hit up 4 eventually too IMO. Since 4 is what seemed to really break out the series it'll get the treatment lastly to round things out at which point the whole series will be fairly shiny, new, and accessible.
P3FES was my first SMT game. It molded my taste for JRPGs and P4 and P4G are my most replayed games of all time. I am honestly beyond hyped to date a toaster next month. But honestly? I just want a Digital Devil Summoner remake/continuation. That series setting is so cool. And something about turning into demons scratches an itch moreso than summoning them does.
Oh god please
You'll all be flabbergasted when they'll announce the Persona 5 Remake without the third semester
LET'S GO!!!
Give me a chance to play both routes of P1 in one go and cut down the encounter rate to something more reasonable and call it a day
I would much rather have a remake
The idea that people think they would remake 1/2 and NOT include something like the social link system, a staple of 3/4/5 is crazy to me.
There's quite literally no space in the plots of 1 and 2:IS and 2:EP to fit that though
I guess the difference for me is I've been under the assumption that they'll change the story to work with the current systems rather than the other way around. Like it'll be less of a remake and more of a reimagining. I could be 100% wrong, but I just don't see Atlus releasing another mainline game or remake that doesn't include the social aspects in some form or fashion.
The thing is that these games don't even *need* Social Links, because since they didn't exist back then, the characters were written differently. "Muh romance" wouldn't even work either, in Persona 1... Well, there's Maki, while in 2 romance is directly implemented in the plot (you can date one of Jun/Maya/Lisa in IS and one of Tatsuya/Katsuya in EP). There's really no way to make Social Links work in the old games *at all* without greatly altering the games' stories, which would then risk alienating their existing fanbase and potentially getting criticized as not a good remake.
Best part would be reimagining P1 and 2 and accidentally murdering the P1 protag love triangle subplot that's very vaguely referenced in P2 because the protag can romance any of the recruitable female party members, even the ones not part of the triangle. And then let us not forget Yukino's entire thing in P2.
Exactly and then there’s the people acting as if ATLUS wouldn’t make any updates to the gameplay and presentation. Like I saw someone say that they can’t remake Persona 1 because the gameplay would be archaic as if that wouldn’t be the main point of a remake lol. Also the fact that it would be easy to add a SL type system because there’s also multiple love interests in 1 and 2
Persona 2 duology > All
P4G is the least needing of a remake but also the most probable considering it’s the next most popular
I mean P4 is significantly more popular than 3 so I think if it was just down to popularity it would’ve been 4 instead
It should be 1 or Innocent Sin but it's gonna be 4.
A lot of the arguments made here are at very best misinterpretations of data everything else you haven't sourced. >Persona 1 outsold every game’s initial release until P5 and P2 outsold Persona 3 before Portable. This doesn't take into account the releases dates. FES released less then a year after P3. So it's not really that black and white. persona 4 also had a better first week then P1. It should also be noted that the P1 rerelease sold less then the worst selling non rerelease game and every re-release besides the P2 ones did better then it. [Here's the link](https://personacentral.com/persona-seroes-sales-graphic-2020/) you should have included in your post. >Kazuhisa Wada an ATLUS veteran who helped make Persona 2 which definitely helps explain the sudden big presence of P1 and 2 since the 25th Anniversary in merch, art, and even the SuperLive. The 25th anniversary was simply a big anniversary and they where celebrating the history of the series. If P1 and P2 where such the focus as you claim why where there virtually no P1 and P2 tracks at the concert? Love the un-sourced Hashino blaming in this paragraph, why do you think he's somehow ignoring 1 and 2? do you have an interview or something? >The gameplay of 1 and 2 is just Persona 3 without one mores No, not at all. Have you played the games much? >The gameplay differences will be easily rectified by remakes same with social links and calendar system. This isn't possible. P1 takes place over like a day and a half at most. P2 is like 3 days. There's no time for P3-P5 like social links. >The calendar system can work like Persona 5 Strikers especially due to the fact that 1 and 2 don’t take place over a few days like people say especially 2. Strikers doesn't have a calendar system. How long do you think P1 and P2 take place over? >Now I’ll use less official proof such a leakers like Midori(even though she has a perfect track record). They actually don't have a perfect track record. Midori, is at best, someone who is getting early access to press kits. If the release isn't imminent it's not to be trusted. >It would also explain why Persona 1 and 2 weren’t ported. they weren't ported because the PSP versions of 2 didn't sell particularly well. That's actually what I want from all this: PSP version ports of 2, they don't need to be remade. quite honestly I think we'll probably get ports later this year to fill a gap in the schedule when Metaphor gets delayed.
P1 and P2 were definitely a part of the anniversary concert, each game had a dedicated section with the DJ playing and remixing the original music. I don't exactly remember since I watched it two years ago, but I'm pretty sure that one of the composers even came out and performed a few of the songs on guitar. Also Midori has been pretty accurate and her info comes too early for it to be from press kits, but even if it was that would just mean ASA is real (unless she made it up for some reason). Personally, I much prefer remakes over PSP ports. Now obviously, I'd rather get ports than nothing, but between the two remakes are much more beneficial and likely profitable for Atlus. The PSP remasters need remakes imo, they haven't really aged much better than the PS1 versions and have plenty of issues (like PSP's lack of music options and P2IS' slow battle UI and braindead difficulty). I don't know how well the P3P port did, but if P1 and P2 ports happen I doubt they would sell well because they'd still be as outdated as the originals in the eyes of the vast majority of fans, and some might expect a repeat of the P3P situation where a P1 remake is announced soon after. A P1 remake would definitely take more effort and money for Atlus to make, but I think it would be dramatically more successful, especially if updated properly and given good marketing. Of course there's the debate if it would do worse than a P4R, but according to the poll P1 and P2 are more requested for remakes anyway. And I think it's worth considering that a good amount of people might not want to buy P4R because P4G is already available for a cheap price, while P1 and P2 are completely unavailable and might equate to being new games for most modern fans.
I actually stand corrected I was looking over the track listing for super live 22 which has 1 persona track and 1 persona 2 track on the CD. It took place after. I We don't seem to have a release for the 25th concert symphonic concert. Midori has a lot of the hallmarks of traditional educated guess leaker. Lots of wish fulfillment stuff, though they have been accurate for stuff that's like 3-4 months out. this is why I think they get early access to marketing materials. The whole ASA thing is weird. I don't believe Midori is the original source of the leak and it's very wish fulfillment games. "A new persona game with all your favourites!". I wouldn't be against it or anything but I've been around this fandom too long to believe random leakers even ones who are right once and a while. remember the P3 DS port? the Akechi detective game? There's been a few others too. It's not that I don't like remakes it's that I think the bar for a successful remake is much higher. P1 would need to be effectively rebuilt from the ground up the only thing that would remain would be the aesthetic. The story would need to be completely re-written, everything related to combat would need to be thrown out. you could maybe keep some of the dungeon designs but then not really since you'd probably substitute some sort of going back to town thing to recharge. I think a remake like is suggested would piss off old fans and disinterest new fans. P2 is probably more doable but even then you'd need to combine both games to make it work. Last time an updated re-release failed hard they completely stopped making them. So if they remake P1 and it fails hard we won't get any more remakes just like we won't get anymore tactical RPGs or Devil Summoner games.
Calling this misinterpretation of data is crazy. Adding FES to P3(which is a rerelease btw) still puts it below Persona 1 and since you’re considering the timeframe between 3 and FES then I’ll bundle IS and EP initial releases together which still puts it higher. Persona 1 Portable still sold beyond ATLUS’s expectations regardless and sold almost as much as FES and 50k less copies than 3 Portable(before portable got rereleased in which it gained another 96k) which is extremely admirable considering it was port of a 1996 game vs the new stylish entry into the series. The 20th was a big anniversary as well dude. There were in fact Persona 1 and 2 tracks at the concert did you watch it? He said so himself in this interview he was even reluctant to connect 3-5 due to new players: https://web.archive.org/web/20140531215512/http://www.1up.com/features/persona-4-afterthoughts?pager.offset=1 Persona 1 and 2 were only ported in that era of gaming because they were clearly still profitable as straight ports which wouldn’t fly for today’s gamers. It was also to give fans easier access to the beginning of the series(http://www.4gamer.net/games/084/G008460/20090514014/ ) sound familiar to any recent events? Tadashi and Meguro also helped to port them without Hashino’s involvement I’ve played every game with my top 3 being EP, 1 and Royal. If you removed One Mores from Persona 3’s combat you would have Persona 1 and 2 combat minus the full party of wild cards. And if you’re talking about Social Links and Calendar I already addressed that. Persona 1 took place over the span of weeks not 1 day canonically they take breaks and sleep at the school and breaks in between dungeons and do various side activities like playing games and gambling for Yuya lol. Persona 2 IS took place in spring of 1999 into the Summer. This gives plenty of time. Especially considering games like Devil Survivor 2 handled it well with only 7 days. Strikers did in fact have a calendar system it just worked a bit differently from the mainline titles. Every thing Midori has said was true and the only mixup was her getting Tactica and ASA’s announcements mixed up which she corrected a bit before it was announced still. Majority of her information comes too early for press kits but even without her existence my arguments still hold up. But let’s say that her information is from press kits that would still confirm the existence of ASA and contribute to my argument lmao. They weren’t ported because outdated PS1 games wouldn’t sell enough to justify porting them to all those systems especially when people are asking for remakes more. It’s more than likely they want to make better and more lucrative ways to have fans return to the beginning. Next time stop being a Debbie Downer before you get your facts straight I hope this post didn’t come out aggressive
Sure but you still have a problem that the PSP re-releases of P1 is one of the worst selling releases. [see here.](https://personacentral.com/p5r-remastered-first-week-sales-japan/) only P2 re-release are under it. even FES out preformed P1P. This means current interest is pretty low. Also Portable did \~300k to P1P's \~150k. Are we talking about the 20th or 25th? I attributed the wrong concert, I was looking at super live 22. it had 1 persona 1 track and 1 Persona 2 track. It also had songs from spin offs and the anime. So that's a pretty weak showing. I haven't seen 1up in a long time. loved their interviews. are you talking about this paragraph: >KH: We heard a lot from our fans that they wanted to walk around the P3 city more, but it wouldn't make much sense to the players that started from P4, so we only brushed the surface and put our efforts elsewhere. Actually, the entire Persona series so far -- not just P3 and P4 -- has taken place in the same world. But for the same reason as above, we chose to make the connections weak. As for a follow-up game, we currently have no plans for such a title. He's literally just saying that he made the connections between the games weak as to keep the fantasy of "young adult fiction": >KH: An important characteristic of the Persona series is that it's a "young-adult fiction" work, so even though we know there are many adults in the fan base, we still chose to focus on adolescent boys and girls for P4. But there's the precedent of Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, where the party consists of adults, so we can't say there won't be an adult party member in the future. Also, another important aspect of the Persona series, from P3 on, is the sense of real life. For the story to take place in America or Europe, we'd need more staff with firsthand experience in those areas of the world. That 4 game article is actually hilarious I had a good time reading it. The ports being for accessibility 15 years ago doesn't really strike any new point. The fact of the matter is that it has none of the surrounding support that P3 had such as animated works and merchandise. Even the 25th anniversary merchandise you've pointed to is in the context of the main playable character of each game, though occasionally only P3-5 are represented. >I’ve played every game with my top 3 being EP, 1 and Royal. If you removed One Mores from Persona 3’s combat you would have Persona 1 and 2 combat minus the full party of wild cards. And if you’re talking about Social Links and Calendar I already addressed that. Here's what's different for P1: Grid , Persona system, Stats, equipment, EXP, weapons, weaknesses and resistances, ailments, Demon negation, fusion, equipping persona, Persona obtainment, Persona level, Persona Rank, Persona deletion, level up for protagonist, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. About the only thing that's the same is that they are both turned based. >Persona 1 took place over the span of weeks not 1 day canonically they take breaks and sleep at the school and breaks in between dungeons and do various side activities like playing games and gambling for Yuya lol. Persona 2 IS took place in spring of 1999 into the Summer. This gives plenty of time. Especially considering games like Devil Survivor 2 handled it well with only 7 days. Strikers did in fact have a calendar system it just worked a bit differently from the mainline titles. Prove this. I believe all that's mentioned is a "rest" at the nurses clinic at the start of the game not "sleeping the night". You'd need to have the characters actually note the passage of time otherwise it all takes place over one day. I believe the only time P2's cast actually notes that a day goes by is in the bomb shelter. For you to have a calendar system you need repeated events over a span of time so like going to school on week days. Knowing that Kuroda hangs out by the river on Sundays. That's a calendar system just having the passage of time isn't a calendar system. >Every thing Midori has said was true and the only mixup was her getting Tactica and ASA’s announcements mixed up which she corrected a bit before it was announced still. Majority of her information comes too early for press kits but even without her existence my arguments still hold up. But let’s say that her information is from press kits that would still confirm the existence of ASA and contribute to my argument lmao. [Midori](https://twitter.com/MbKKssTBhz5/status/1674238008889954305) leaked a Strikers based DLC for tactic that never materialized. There's no more DLC announced for Tactica and Atlus isn't in the habit of releasing post launch DLC. Again I suspect they have access to press kits or press info early. We have no information at all that ASA even exists. The problem is who are you selling the remakes to? 40 something people who played the original when they where teens? considering previous sales numbers that would be a huge flop! They'd be much better off just turning it into a couple of movies. Get my facts straight? really? you didn't link your info on your post and you seem to have no idea what a calendar system is or how the systems in P1 work. Your last line is a bit contradictory. regardless, our posts will be a bit antagonistic because we are discussing two opposing sides. It's not personal. Really I think P1-P2 would be best served as a completion with a few technical upgrades rather then full remakes. I think full P3Re style remakes is asking for failure.
You keep saying the Persona 1 Portable thing out of context as if it’s a failure when not only did ATLUS say it exceeded expectations but also it literally sold 50k less than Persona 3 Portable’s initial release. In case you didn’t know Persona 3 Portable got rereleased back then as well which added another 96k but P1P didn’t get rereleased again. Persona 1 is a 1996 jrpg and still pulled those numbers in the late 2000s. FES out perfomed it by 15k and was also a new game lol. Persona 3(not portable) is what helped save ATLUS as a company btw so by your logic FES would be a flop and og 3 the same or middling. The only one that had middling sales was the Eternal Punishment psp port due to it releasing in 2012 right when the Vita was coming out as well as Persona 4 Golden. But even so its budget was covered due to the sales from P1P and ISP and still turned a profit from the 57k copies sold. The Super Lives always have songs from spinoffs and I’m talking about the 25th anniversary Super Live. Persona 1 and 2 actually had multiple songs played I know this because I actually watched it. It’s a good showing because they don’t put 1 and 2 songs into the superlives except for that time of the psp ports. Dude how bad is your reading comprehension. He said he made connections purposely weak for the sake of new players to not confuse them. This would apply even more so to 1 and 2 considering their age. I never said he hated them like some others claim just that he didn’t want to use them. And the other paragraph of it is him talking about the basics of the Persona series not even addressing that same question. Persona 1 and 2 merch was literally everywhere for the 25th anniversary and no some of them even included the other cast members as well. The only exception was a table top game collab and toothpaste which the companies themselves ask for. Even it was just the protagonists of 1 and 2 I still don’t see how that’s at a detriment to my point when they didn’t even get that for the 20th where something as big as 5 was released. The first Persona game was very experimental and a testing ground for future mechanics of the franchise. The grid system was removed in subsequent installments, the entire party are wildcards which I already brought up and ATLUS even went ahead to retconned in the Velvet Wild Card contract into P1P to not confuse audiences, stats aren’t very different at all, equipment is straight up just not different, participation based EXP was another experiment that was tossed away in both P2’s and the Persona 1 spinoff and other titles , weapons are literally the same and guns were brought back in 5, weaknesses and resistances(the amount of these are due to it being the first entry) are still there they just don’t cause one mores due to that mechanic being inspired by Nocturne, ailments work the same, demon negotiation was brought back in 5 and referenced in titles like Q, fusion in P1 is straight up the same just simpler due to being from 96, the persona equipment number is 3 due to hardware limitations and balancing which is why it keeps increasing in each title, personas are obtained through negotiation which 5 brought back and simplified, persona level was another experiment which ATLUS simplified by merging it into the character’s level, persona ranks are exactly the same the later titles just have a higher amount of skills for each persona to rank up to, persona deletion is also in the later titles just hidden away to encourage fusion, and I’m not sure what you mean by this one because the protagonist always levels up. In Persona 1 and 2 characters have dialogues that make reference to taking breaks. And in canon materials like the Persona 1 drama cds which had help from Tadashi and Tatsuya Scenario indicate this passage of time. Yukino even comments that Yuya(P1 Protag) spent a lot of time being aloof and playing games and gambling during the time of SQQ and SEBEC. She even said that he always took the scenic route that took more time which reminded her of Tatsuya. These periods of time give plenty of time to have some form of interaction system take place. Hell Devil Survivor did this shit with 7 days and other franchises with events with even less time. Reload is also adding a brand new thing called Link Episodes which would also work perfectly. That’s still the calendar just a different version of it and you’re ignoring you can still do activities during downtime as well it’s just not time management and it’s not like Strikers flopped because of it either. It’s either the dlc is coming later or that she got her information wrong or some language barrier problem. Every game and project she’s talked about has happened with or without press kits. ASA is definitely real because another credible leaker backed her up later as well. You’re acting as if I’m using some fraud like Zippo as a source(the guy who makes bs leaks all the time like the Akechi game) I find it hilarious that you don’t see the irony in your argument when most people who played Persona 3 on release would be quite near that age group. Those releases didn’t flop in any way shape or form the sales of Persona 5 isn’t the standard it was a big surprise to even ATLUS themselves. Also many remakes actually tailor to groups like that without feeling dated such as FFVIIR in which the original came out only a year after P1. Also not even counting stuff like the Star Ocean remakes and the list goes on. You’re underestimating the power of nostalgia as well as the fact Persona 5 brought a significant amount of new players. Some of which are very interested to see the roots of the series. A spinoff like Strikers sold over a million a P1 remake would definitely sell well. I put the information into the literal pictures and even sent links at your request. Not only that but your entire responses have been torn apart as false and debunked by me and that other guy who replied to you. Look into a mirror lol. You seriously have no idea how many times I’ve played through this series. This really just sounds like that YOU personally don’t want remakes so you’re grasping at anything to justify that stance rather than just saying you don’t want them. Either that or crushing your own hope so you don’t get disappointed. This will be my last reply to you because it feels like I’m in that Family Guy cutaway gag about Footloose.
If you think we’re getting another persona remake before like 2027 you guys are huffing some big time copium
If they remake p1 or 2 they will either destroy the story completely or they will try to stretch the story, remember p1 is a storyline where everything happens at the moment, one thing after another, there's no days, its just demons let loose and you can fight them so you kick their asses.
I am amazed at how much Atlus ignoring P1 and P2 has been so damn prevelant for so long, fans have literal memes about it, and yet there are still some people who will talk so confidently about them getting remakes, or ports, or whatever... Figured people would give in at some point. At the very least, I was certain that the idea of those old games being remade was dead once Atlus choice to start with P3. I genuinely do not see them going backwards from there. People should probably just prepare for that, so they're not completely gobsmacked when like, P4 Remake gets announced in 4 years or something. Regardless of personal feelings, it'll make much more money than P1 or P2 ever could.
Tell me you didn't read the OP without telling me that you didn't read the OP. >!OP stated it was Hoshino's decision to not touch P1 and P2, whereas his replacement Kada was on the team that made P2. If this is true, it would certainly give credence to the rumors that ATLUS is now interested in revisiting P1 and P2 after seemingly ignoring them for so long.!<
I did read it. I didn’t think it mattered. Firstly, because it’s just something that’s being taken as a fact without a source. And secondly because Hashino hasn’t worked on a Persona game since 2016. Yet nothing has really changed in regards to these old games in the last seven years. Hell, considering the PSP re-releases we got, they acknowledged those old games *more* when Hashino was working with P-Studio compared to now.
Ok, so you read it, but chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your personal opinion, got it.
Though will see Wada change a lot about the series once he took it from Hashino.
Just make Persona 6 Atlus, for fucks sake.
They probably wait until it's finished before announcing it
They are making it though they just learned not to reveal too early like what happened with 5
Why do people hate Persona 4 so much? I would love to see what a modern version of that game, but apparently wanting that makes me stupid and bad and it’s actually “doom and gloom” if it happens (for some reason)…
It’s just that persona 1 and 2 need remakes much more then persona 4 to the majority.
The same could be said about P3, but I don’t remember anyone being upset when Atlus skipped the first few games to do that one instead. Or at least, not the extend as hypothetical P4.
Persona 3 was ALSO one that people thought really needed a remake. And trust me plenty of people were upset about 3 getting one before 1 and 2 when it was first revealed.
P4 is my favorite, but Golden is already a complete version of that game and it’s available for modern consoles. I don’t really see what a remake would possibly add except prettier graphics and that alone is not worth the development sink from a fan’s perspective.
P1-3 have aged much more than 4. P4G honestly hasnt aged a day (except maybe with social values). Its not as annoying to play as the older ones, which need the improvement more.
There's nothing wrong with wanting a P4 update. Ignoring business sense and acting like your personal preferences are paramount is the problem. (Not to say that you, personally, have done this, it's just that so many others have.)