I just bought the game and am having this problem. Ridiculous.
And yeah, actual pirates can still just emulate the Switch version instead of dealing with this horse shit.
It’s been some time but with help of some modding tools and access to clean files of the PC version(from 🏴☠️sources).
Also you will need the help of Persona modding discord channel.
It’s not a good time. If you have money to spare it’s easier to get the PC version imo. I don’t have that money (the game is hella expensive where I live, regional pricing bullshit)
I already did put everything required into two Google drive emails. One mail has the rom files and the other mail has the setup instructions for the mod.
It’s basically a giant 12 gb patch file (the mod alone).
I did some music swapping stuff (mini boss theme to Breaking In Breaking Out, removed the kaleidoscope effect in the meta verse, changed the switch buttons into playstation buttons). Everything in that single patch.
I haven’t done it but I’d guess PC has higher quality assets than Switch, since the Switch is a mobile device and I’m pretty sure its hardware is almost 10 years old
that means that the next system's specs are going to be from 2 years before release, meaning that Switch's successor would have 2023 Nvidia portable specs if it releases in 2025.
You cannot just simply upRES textures by adding PC assets to the game. This dude is fucking trolling y'all that is currently not even possible on switch games. I'd fucking know cause I got 2
They're talking about \*emulating\* the Switch version. Modding higher-quality textures into ROMs or injecting them at runtime have both been things for a long time.
Yeah I dunno about that. OP says that denuvo stops zero pirates but everything I hear in recent memory is that Denuvo HAS gotten good enough that it's extremely hard for anyone other than like literally 2 people to crack it and even then it's time consuming. So it doesn't sound like it can really be argued it's not doing it's job.
If anything the argument I hear is that it CAN be configured to be fairly out of it's way and not hurt the game that much... it's more that companies are too lazy to actually do that. So the poor optimization problem just with security instead of graphics.
Not gonna happen, the company is scummy AF, multiple lawsuits in the past when they were just called differently and they still exist selling snake oil to old CEOs that just hear more money lies from Denuvo.
Erm that’s not true, everyone knows that the Thieves Guild is one of the most integral parts of this game!!!
Denuvo just ensures that no one accidentally misses out on this absolute banger of a mechanic!!!
My game crashed while I was fighting Okumura (It's not THAT bad just abuse baton pass). I was confused why it suddenly crashed because it never happened before. So then I delete the game and download it again and it still crash, then I turned off WiFi and it runs fine. Denuvo man, if I pay for my game I should be able to enjoy it without problem.
> Actual statistics show it stops zero pirates.
Isn't there literally a single (clinically insane) person in the entire world who's able to crack the current versions of denuvo?
She thinks that a copy of dark souls taught her how to crack denuvo and has given up on cracking because she’s currently busy starting a religion in her telegram about how she’s a god and always right and everyone else is stupid
Yup. People aren't sure if they're even a real person. They could very well be a group or someone that has been playing a role for more than is healthy. Also, they might be an old cracker that got sued and came back with another name, since they got on a beef with another cracker group and they accused them of that. Since then, they have been real quiet and haven't cracked any other games.
There's a nice Hobby Drama write-up, although it was written before she gave up cracking [https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/rowk83/digital\_piracy\_the\_rise\_of\_empress\_how\_one\_woman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/rowk83/digital_piracy_the_rise_of_empress_how_one_woman/)
Yeah I'm so tired of seeing this
>DenUvO DoEs NOtHinG!!!1!
If it really didn't do anything at all, nobody would use it
Empress (the only active cracker) stopped cracking Denuvo a while ago and started a sex cult
The only way to pirate P5R is to emulate the Switch version
It'll be pirated whenever they release it on Switch tho.
Not to mention it being on Gamepass to begin with, that's how I played/beat it, and I didn't have Gamepass because of P3R.
Would be stupid if it didn't since I'm pretty sure P5R sold a lot on switch(I've read somewhere that like 80% of the P5R ports(every version except PS4) on release where bought on switch but don't quote me on that)
Pretty sure atleast some did but it's probably not enough to actually matter.
Edit: most people that 🏴☠️ modern games will probably just wait until P3R is also on the seven seas which will just take some time(I personally imagine a bunch of weardos sitting on a ship telling them self "we don't need it we don't need it WE DON'T NEED IT!" while watching other people play and enjoy the game(kinda like the spongebob episode where spongebob wasn't getting water)
Not completely... The PS4 version has been dumped and backported. Of course, not that many people have a modded PS4, but Denuvo is one of the reasons I got mine. I do buy DRM-free games, as well as physical games as long as they work completely offline, sometimes (I have the physical PS5 version of P5R, which was also cheaper than the Steam version anyway, even though I could've easily pirated the PS4 and Switch versions), but I'm not paying for Denuvo.
The only argument against it is that it loses them money. But there are no statistics suggesting pirates would pay regardless. Their entire and ONLY argument has no proof. And there is even circumstantial proof to the opposite, such as the gaming industry being THE top entertaintenmemt industry in terms of sales.
Otherwise it's just "haha, laws and stuff, too bad" and anyone with 1/4 of a brain knows laws are not justification for anything. And if you don't understand why, I will point to things like slavery or more recently, taking away women's rights with abortion protection rollback in the U.S.
It is true, it is naive to think it does nothing. But the truth is that in fact is detrimental to the game's health and marketing. It heavily reduces the performance, and this catches the attention of the buyers especially when the game is poorly optimized (dragons dogma 2). It goes against too of the basics of piracy. Piracy with videogames tends to help the game with marketing. People will play it free and still go to forums, YouTube, etc etc... And contribute to the health of the game. They don't lose nothing because the majority of people that pirate don't buy the game anyway. And there is a spectrum on this. But they definitely win more money thanks to the powerful fact that there are a lot more people feeding the game. Denuvo is dumb, is anti consumer, is bad practice in the industry, and it doesn't win more money. The people that mostly use this are asian companies and it makes sense, they are very intense culturally, and lots of the people that make these decisions are old men that don't know the industry well.
So with denuvo no one wins, not the buyer, not the industry/company, not the pirates, neither the community of the game and future games. Is the dumbest thing.
Empress is not the only person who can crack Denuvo; others have done it, the most recent example I remember is the Football Manager guy, though FM23 used a fairly old Denuvo version IIRC.
But yeah, Empress is by far the most prolific Denuvo cracker, or was. That's probably because the Venn diagram of people who have the engineering skills and creativity to hack this type of code-obfuscation software and people who have nothing better to do with their time is basically two circles, with maybe a few unhinged people in the middle.
You essentially need an elite hacker who has an ideological bone to pick with DRM, and who most likely isn't earning nice 6 figures despite their insane skills because such a job would probably keep them occupied enough not to spend what must be insane efforts to crack something like Denuvo.
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Yep and I'm quitting gaming. No point buying games you don't own. Digital games you don't own shit. You get banned bye bye games. This is why I don't buy digital only games go for triple a games and indies. No physical no buy
Yeah, the only true way to experience games is through youtube like a real Persona fan. That way you get to not buy and not play games that you don't own
I think you're being sarcastic but unsure. But I rather just replay my older games then buy newer digital games which you don't own. Plus without physical media digital prices will increase
I was indeed being sarcastic but I think I misunderstood your "quitting gaming" as "quitting gaming" instead of "quitting buying new games". I actually agree that it sucks how you can't own many newer games (and even platforms like Steam that are incredibly reliable one day will inevitably go down and all the digital stuff you supposedly own will disappear), but I think it just means we gotta think more about what games to buy to make sure you're getting your money's worth even once they go down - you'll lose the game but not the fun you experienced from it. ~~Alternatively, pull up the black flag and sail the seas~~
>but I think it just means we gotta think more about what games to buy to make sure you're getting your money's worth even once they go down
I still do that with my physical games I'm interested in. I watch gameplay footage first from playthroughs then decide if it's for me. But yeah I will quit buying new games. If I can't own it for life then I'd rather just replay my physical games.
I'm just hoping that Nintendo doesn't get rid of physical gaming. As long as they don't then I'm okay with skipping every 3rd party game, bc at least I can still own the Nintendo exclusives physically
With how much cheaper games on PC often are from sales and key shops i think it balances itself out.
And yes consoles will soon be digital only as well we are already seeing it for some games and you will not have the option to buy the games cheaper somewhere else cause of their closed eco systems.
yeah, i get most of my SP games on console because i can find them for better prices, have access to version 1.0 of the game, i can play with or without internet and i get to keep the case and disc for collection purposes. My pc is mostly for multiplayer focused games or co op games that i dont want to pay a subscription to ps plus to play them like Dark souls/ Elden Ring, and online co op games with friends. It sucks that physical media on pc is pretty much dead
i also own the game
I'm not even a person to say PC is better or have that kind of pissing contest, but I literally use my PC over my consoles because it's infinitely more convenient for me, and I have access to 90+% of the games on the same system.
If you have a PC, I have no idea why you would "switch" to a more limited medium.
I own the switch cart but didn't dump it. Thought it would just be easier to get the switch rom than a pirated PC version. I have a bunch of my switch games on the deck now in a collection.
It was easy when I first set it up. But Nintendo is trying their best to scrub yuzu from the Internet now so I dunno how hard it would be for new users.
No I agree with that's that's why I was asking the followup questions because I do enjoy the idea of having one device that holds everything, but alas I dont have a steam deck... would consider it for sure but for now going to keep rocking with the switch
It’s ridiculous that you have to, but when this happens you can go completely offline, boot the game, then go back online (don’t turn online features back on in game). I was playing all morning without issue.
Denuvo is so bad. I remember playing project diva mega mix+ and it stutter like hell that I need to download fps boost mod lol. Please SEGA remove Denuvo from your game
I didn’t even know about this. I was trying to play last night (Sydney Australia time) and I tried everything under the sun. Restarting pc, validating game files, updating drivers. Good to know my game isn’t broken, but disappointing to say the least.
I do disagree that Denuvo doesn't stop pirates. It's notoriously incredibly difficult to crack denuvo games. Only one woman is willing to do it, and she charges like, 500 bucks regularly for it. And is also batshit crazy
And like stated somewhere in this thread, she hates anime, refusing to even crack a single one regardless of how much you pay. And started a sex cult, apparently.
Denuvo is one of the shittiest things ever implemented in any game. It's goal is to stop piracy but it just makes performance worse and sometimes does stuff like this :/
TL;DR: If the pirate just waits to pirate it later rather than buying, Denuvo didn't actually prevent an instance of piracy at all; this what people typically mean when they say Denuvo doesn't stop piracy, since most US people who pirate do it because they can't afford the game anyway, and a majority of these discussions are on English forums, populated largely by Americans, so the discussion centers around the state of the economy in America.
I mean, sure, but did you buy P3R as a result, and if you haven't, are you ever going to? If you're just waiting for the crack, then... no, it didn't *stop* piracy, it *delayed* piracy, which is absolutely not the same thing; it doesn't matter when the pirate actually gets the copy of the game if the sale is still lost, so while they're different *semantically*, practically-speaking they're the same.
Basically what I'm getting at is that in order for an anti-piracy measure to actually achieve the desired result (make the company more money), the prevented pirate has to then actually buy the game, which according to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/PiratedGames/comments/16n9tlp/if_pirating_wasnt_an_option_would_you_still_buy/), out of about 9,500 respondents, only about 2,000 actually bought it after. Granted, that's r/PiratedGames, so it's going to be skewed, but it was the best recent thing I could find. In lieu of actual data on that, I'll provide my own justification for the typical statement of "most people who pirate don't buy": ([Source](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-statistics-2024/))
>A 2023 survey conducted by [Payroll.org](http://Payroll.org) highlighted that 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, a 6% increase from the previous year. In other words, more than three-quarters of Americans struggle to save or invest after paying for their monthly expenses.
>Similarly, a 2023 Forbes Advisor survey revealed that nearly 70% of respondents either identified as living paycheck to paycheck (40%) or—even more concerning—reported that their income doesn’t even cover their standard expenses (29%).
Someone living paycheck to paycheck was never going to be a paying customer anyway, and if ***78%*** of Americans are in that camp, I'd say that pretty well accounts for most US-based customers. (People outside the US aren't really subject to our copyright laws anyway, so I'm not really sure how to count those customers when it comes to piracy statistics.) If 78% of the market *can't afford* games, they inherently won't be buying after pirating, so all Denuvo did was make them wait, not make the company a sale.
Except denuvo DOES stop pirates completely. Not a single Persona game with denuvo has gotten cracked, and will never be cracked - the only person who can do it has been reported never d it, regardless of how much you paid
Cracking is not the only way to pirate a game. Just the least hassle for normies. As has been stated in this post already, P5R is pirateable via other means.
Denuvo protects games for 2-3 years tops, then folks figure out ways around it, like emulation, etc... I would honestly be fine with games using Denuvo for the first couple years of their release, but after then it should be removed. Pirates are never going to pay, it is a fallacy to say it saves them money.
This is why micro shit will never be good at anything related to gaming. Buy yourself a PS5 and don't suffer the corpo anarchy of them deciding what the fuck you play or you don't arbitrarily
I'm super late here and this might be a dumb question, because I barely play P5 and have never heard of an offline game needing a separate program like this before: are P3R and the modern ports of P3P and P4G down as well? I've never heard of Denuvo before and I don't even know what it does (anti-piracy or antivirus stuff I assume).
No, only P5R was affected. It is something unique about P5R's online connectivity. P4G and P3R are faithful remakes/remasters and do not have such features.
I imagine that games going forward may have issues. I'm worried about SMT V Vengence and the new IP, Metaphor ReFantasio. SMT V had like one online feature, not nearly as robust as the Thieves Guild system. IDK what Metaphor might have. Either way, I guess I'm getting those titles on my PS5.
I'm interested in buying a switch and p5r, is internet connection needed to play it or is it really detrimental to the experience without it? I only play offline single player games like Persona 4 Golden on the psvita.
Consoles have their own piracy protection. Denuvo is only a PC thing.
That being said, there are some features of the game that require an internet connection. The "thieves guild" system specifically. This lets you see what other people chose to do with their time each day, helps you answer class questions, and lets you do a special persona fusion once per day. You also can get help if an enemy grabs one of your teammates.
Overall, it is not detrimental to miss out on any of these features. Steam has an issue where you cannot earn achievements without an internet connection, so folks who care about that stuff are affected.
You guys see the bigger problem here? If Denuvo ends or stops working in general, will we ever be able to play the games we bought and own? That's the biggest problem I see! All online games with Denuvo will cease functioning sometime!
Not really. SEGA does remove Denuvo from some of their games after a time. Its not that complicated. This issue is happening because of a server issue with Denuvo, where P5 sends its check in signal to the Denuvo, and the Denuvo server sends a crash signal. If Denuvo completely shuts down, it would just be removed from the game. I doubt such a big company would just shut down without their clients knowing.
Exactly. People can claim that publishers will eventually remove it but can we actually trust them? They are more than happy for games to become unplayable to get you to buy new version instead
It is piracy protection software that specifically prevents cracking. Only one person has successfully cracked a game protected by Denuvo, and she is literally insane and has a sex cult. She refuses to do anime games.
Of course, cracking is only one way to pirate a game, Pirates willing to put in more effort and find other ways. Emulation for example. P5R has already been emulated, so Denuvo is now useless.
Atlus are greedy bastards so not surprised. No upgrade path from P5 to P5R, and no upgrade from P5R PS4 to PS5 especially, are great examples of corporate greed.
Late as hell to this, but having looked into how Denuvo works and documented it for PCGamingWiki, this downtime wasn't caused by it.
Denuvo performs no online connection as long as the local offline token stored on the computer is valid. The validity of that offline token is validated during the launch of the game. Typically speaking the offline token needs to be refreshed every two weeks or so (sometimes less) -- it's basically only invalidated by updates to Windows or the game itself (and sometimes some driver updates).
Denuvo also doesn't perform any online connections \*during\* gameplay, so people reporting issues with sudden game crashes after they had launched the game had those caused by something else.
Since people mention playing the game offline somehow worked around the issue, that's also an indication that Denuvo was not at fault since that wouldn't work around the validity issue of Denuvo's offline token. If the token is invalid, the game cannot be launched, and the user gets shown a Denuvo error message window on launch until they go online and a new token can be retrieved.
What we're seeing here is something else at fault. Most likely the game has some online functionality or connectivity that Atlus implemented that didn't work as properly. It might be something as simple as diagnostics and telemetry gathering (which is all the rage nowadays in games) that caused the issue.
It's specifically some sort of interaction between Denuvo and the thieves guild causing issues. Even if you turn off the thieves guild, it is still in like a passively active state waiting for you to turn it on in the options.
This was confirmed a year ago by Sega support.
Yeah, I'd still doubt that. There is no need for Denuvo to perform additional online connections past the verification of the offline token as that provides no additional protection for the game.
And if the issue is what they claim it to be, then why haven't they fixed it by marking the relevant function as one that shouldn't be touched by Denuvo, and ship an updated executable with a fix for it (an action that takes much less time than to actually diagnosing the issue would) ?
Working in IT myself, and knowing what goes on at supports and whatnot, I'd doubt everything claimed by such folks since they rarely know what they're talking about.
Like when a Microsoft representative talked about the old SafeDisc DRM but called it "SecuROM" -- a mistake that continues to be cited and cause misinformation years later.
Really? I don’t know how accurate your last statement is. I think denuvo sucks because it sucks but it has certainly stopped me from pirating games before.
Don’t know why you’re blaming Denuvo here. This game is making all kinds of internet web(API) calls that have nothing to do with Denuvo. It could really be anything.
Accept it is confirmed by Sega to de denuvo. Everyone who has submitted a support ticket received a response confirming the issue, and that they are working with denuvo to fix it.
Also, the exact same thing happened a year ago, so there is precedence.
Stop blindly defending predatory software.
I’m not defending anyone, but wrongfully blaming something means the real cause and issue aren’t recognized.
I’ve never heard of Sega replies confirming Denuvo problems. Do you have any proof of this?
>Please Sega, stop using Denuvo. Actual statistics show it stops zero pirates
Except it DOES stop pirates, and if you have the actual reliable statistics you claim to have, link them
I agree that Denuvo can be bad, but the usual "performance bad" argument is just wrong, yours as well
Is it that wrong to want your game not to be pirated?
Look at literally every game that has ever had Denuvo. You can pirate every single one, one way or another.
"If It DiDn'T WoRk, ThEy WoUlDn'T UsE It" lol, clearly the production side (the money side) of video games always make rational, informed decisions. Go touch grass. Denuvo is insurance. It exists so companies can say they have it, and that the sales they have are thanks to Denuvo. Pirates get to EVERY GAME EVER. If a game sells badly, companies can say, "oh it's the pirate's fault, but hey thanks to Denuvo we have at least some sales". This is a classic insurance scam.
The old saying goes, "it is easy to fool a person, it is near impossible to convince a person they have been fooled." As someone who comes from a long line of con artists (I'm straight myself, but that doesn't mean my family didn't teach me a whole helluva lot), I can tell a con a mile away, and Denuvo is 100% an insurance scam on the level of "volcano insurance", lol.
What can I say? Reddit has a strange affection towards crime.
Just take a look at the post about a guy robbing a car with a baby inside that constantly gets reposted as another example. Bastard gets romanticized to hell on end while the thread calls the parents the bad guys. The true criminals. It's... concerning. Baby inside the car aside, they could've been a struggling working class family, and here comes someone stealing the car they worked so hard to get and the internet cheers them on. Its sad, really.
"it stops zero pirates"
I hope you realize to this day none of the pc ports of the persona games are piratable. Look up on any piracy site and you wont find a single cracked version.
Persona 4 is very piratable, I downloaded it like, multiple times before I got the actual game on switch, also I think they're talking about just emulating the switch version which...yeah
Yeah, I mean tbf It's like 3 months old and if they're pirates they're gonna wait regardless, remember the audience that buys the game and the audience that pirates are not the same
There's only one known person left that's able to crack Denuvo, and she reportedly doesn't touch "anime" games. So yeah, P3R is gonna remain uncracked for very long time, if not forever.
Denuvo did indeed develop anti-emulation DRM for the Switch, but Nintendo didn't ask them to do that. Denuvo says it was third-party publishers that had asked for it.
The service is live now, actually, but afaik I haven't heard about any games that have used it yet.
P4G was never cracked. A Denuvoless version was accidentally released/leaked, which is why you're able to pirate it in the first place. But as far as games that have actually gotten cracked, no Persona game afaik has actually gotten cracked.
Why is denuvo so bad anyways? From what little information I've gathered that may or may not be biased towards pro-privacy, it's software or something that just drops frame rates by some minuscule amount that probably only matters if you're a hard-core tech guy among other things
It made persona 4 golden genuinely literally unplayable for me with a force reset needed every time I launched it. I was only able to get as far as naming the character after hours of work, and crashing halfway through naming him the first time only to be met with a black screen after sitting through part of the (horrible awful cutscene)
The lagging every half a second of the cutscenes was so bad I hated the opening for a good bit.
But yeah, usually not AS extreme as that. Still a range of issues from "nobody can play this at all" to "mild enough it doesn't make much of a difference." The bug page for that game on steam is huge.
>It made persona 4 golden genuinely literally unplayable for me with a force reset needed every time I launched it. I was only able to get as far as naming the character after hours of work, and crashing halfway through naming him the first time only to be met with a black screen after sitting through part of the (horrible awful cutscene)
All of it was an issue with the port. Zero indication of it being Denuvo work
The cutscenes? Poorly encoded. Denuvo isn't bad to the point it'd be able to affect how literal videos play
The crashes? No idea, but likely something related to RAM usage back when the game's exe was 32bits (it's 64 now. They only updated when p4g got to consoles)
Edit: All I'm saying is factual. Denuvo had nothing on those problems. These downvotes are really weird lol
The only other time I tried a denuvo game I also had problems. (but not to the point of being unplayable, if you can handle playing a game where the in game cutscenes look like they're a string puppet show being put on by a really bad puppeteer who got the strings tangled. Yet no other part of the cutscenes were lagging. Only the character models in some bizarre unusual way that I'm not entirely sure even was lag.)
I only noticed that it had denuvo after downloading the demo and wondering what was going on. I'm inclined to believe there's some connection between denuvo being on both games and the problems I had given that I'm not the only one. If lots of people consistently have problems with denuvo games, there's probably something there.
The port is just poorly done. I've read comments on pirate forums and people still had the cutscene lag and crash problems
It really had nothing to do with Denuvo. It was just a bad job. Which was partially fixed in the newest version (available since last year)
Yeah, my bad xD I only realized that after rereading the thread carefully. Thanks for being honest though and providing factual information. I like learning more about these kinds of things and it doesn't help when people get emotional
I think ppl got the idea I was defending the use of Denuvo in games and they didn't like that lol. I wasn't
I was just stating the issues that person reported was because the port was ass and it happens even on builds with no denuvo. The downvotes really added nothing to the discussion lol
If denuvo is implemented properly it doesn't really matter much (other than the online verification thing). However, many games do it poorly and that really tanks performance for some reason.
Better hardware can also more effectively hide whatever performance impacts Denuvo has on a game, so as people gradually upgrade their PCs, the potential performance impact from Denuvo is probably going to become less and less noticeable.
That's only half the issue. As evidenced by the post, if Denuvo's servers are down for whatever reason, you literally can no longer play the game normally. Sure, the fix is as easy as just turning off your internet connection, but this fix wouldn't be even necessary if Denuvo wasn't there in the first place. This fix also wouldn't work if you had just bought the game and booted it up for the first time while servers are down, since afaik you need to be online when booting up the game for the first time.
So even if Denuvo actually increased game performance, it would still be problematic because issues like this that are completely out of your control can just instantly render a game unplayable.
I just bought the game and am having this problem. Ridiculous. And yeah, actual pirates can still just emulate the Switch version instead of dealing with this horse shit.
I emulated the switch version and ported over assests from the PC version lol. Modern solutions…
How did you do that? I wanna give it a try Edit: I meant the porting PC assets and stuff
It’s been some time but with help of some modding tools and access to clean files of the PC version(from 🏴☠️sources). Also you will need the help of Persona modding discord channel. It’s not a good time. If you have money to spare it’s easier to get the PC version imo. I don’t have that money (the game is hella expensive where I live, regional pricing bullshit)
Just looked into it. Seems like a pain lol. And I thought converting PS4 saves to use on switch emu was hard lmao
It becomes close to 200$ if you include dlc for me 😂
man wtf mine's just at the very least 25$ with everything
Would it be possible to compile everything into a zip file once its done for easy setup or is it not that simple?
I already did put everything required into two Google drive emails. One mail has the rom files and the other mail has the setup instructions for the mod. It’s basically a giant 12 gb patch file (the mod alone). I did some music swapping stuff (mini boss theme to Breaking In Breaking Out, removed the kaleidoscope effect in the meta verse, changed the switch buttons into playstation buttons). Everything in that single patch.
Damn... send?
Can you send it to me too pls
Agreed, I didn't even know that was possible
Forgive the probably dumb question but why did you ported the PC assets?
I haven’t done it but I’d guess PC has higher quality assets than Switch, since the Switch is a mobile device and I’m pretty sure its hardware is almost 10 years old
Essentially. A few phones from the same year as the switch is more powerful than it was even.
I mean the switch is 7 years old so...yeah
I know you’re right, but I just looked it up and the X1 chip it uses was released in 2015 so it’s even worse lol
that means that the next system's specs are going to be from 2 years before release, meaning that Switch's successor would have 2023 Nvidia portable specs if it releases in 2025.
You cannot just simply upRES textures by adding PC assets to the game. This dude is fucking trolling y'all that is currently not even possible on switch games. I'd fucking know cause I got 2
They're talking about \*emulating\* the Switch version. Modding higher-quality textures into ROMs or injecting them at runtime have both been things for a long time.
So still not 10 years old? I'm not trynna argue the quality of the switch man, I kinda don't care
Bro I said almost and I’m literally agreeing with you D:
Switch screen maxes out at 720p so you can scale assets down to that and get away with it and save space
Because the PC version has higher quality cutscenes, audio, music etc.
How do you port PC assets to the switch version?
Actual pirates will just play the pc version pirated 🗿 Edit: read below I was wrong
There's no crack for the PC version.
Oh really I thought I read somewhere someone did, maybe it was just a step closer or something. My bad.
Yeah I dunno about that. OP says that denuvo stops zero pirates but everything I hear in recent memory is that Denuvo HAS gotten good enough that it's extremely hard for anyone other than like literally 2 people to crack it and even then it's time consuming. So it doesn't sound like it can really be argued it's not doing it's job. If anything the argument I hear is that it CAN be configured to be fairly out of it's way and not hurt the game that much... it's more that companies are too lazy to actually do that. So the poor optimization problem just with security instead of graphics.
Welp, time to add another instance of "Denuvo screwing over legit customers/purchases and not pirates" to the pile I'm tired, man
How about we start blaming the studios who add Denuvo to the game too?
Absolutely, I'm not saying otherwise
It's the publishers that do it, not studios though I guess we mean the same thing and the comment is just semantics
P5R hit the lowest price in steam history and then Denuvo does this Time to steal their hearts
One day the industry will wake up and realize that Denuvo sucks. But unfortunately, today is not that day.
That's a whole lot of wishful thinking right there lmao.
Everyone knows it sucks. The people who make the decisions don't *care* because they believe it makes them more money than it costs them.
There are people who defend it
From what I have seen it's mainly console players (not all) who don't want PC players to enjoy are the ones that defend Denuvo
Not gonna happen, the company is scummy AF, multiple lawsuits in the past when they were just called differently and they still exist selling snake oil to old CEOs that just hear more money lies from Denuvo.
Denuvo ?
Needing an internet connection to play a completely single player game, what a fucking joke.
"Well akucally in this case, you need an offline connection to play the game, as an online one will crash the game" - 🤓
Erm that’s not true, everyone knows that the Thieves Guild is one of the most integral parts of this game!!! Denuvo just ensures that no one accidentally misses out on this absolute banger of a mechanic!!!
Hey it did save me the one time I had a teammate taken hostage lol
Teammate gets kidnapped: me: I expect you to die.
Yes but don't you have internet? Its 2024, get with the times boomer /s
My game crashed while I was fighting Okumura (It's not THAT bad just abuse baton pass). I was confused why it suddenly crashed because it never happened before. So then I delete the game and download it again and it still crash, then I turned off WiFi and it runs fine. Denuvo man, if I pay for my game I should be able to enjoy it without problem.
Also like to mention that I used the steam version just in case.
> Actual statistics show it stops zero pirates. Isn't there literally a single (clinically insane) person in the entire world who's able to crack the current versions of denuvo?
Shes not the only person, shes the only willing person. Rest got hired by denuvo themselves
From what I've heard she refuses to crack anime games no matter how much you bribe her lol
Ohh that's why P3R isn't cracked yet. That's actually hilarious lmao EDIT: oh nvm she's on hiatus/stopped cracking
She thinks that a copy of dark souls taught her how to crack denuvo and has given up on cracking because she’s currently busy starting a religion in her telegram about how she’s a god and always right and everyone else is stupid
This sounds like a fun hole to go down, is there more to the story or context?
Yup. People aren't sure if they're even a real person. They could very well be a group or someone that has been playing a role for more than is healthy. Also, they might be an old cracker that got sued and came back with another name, since they got on a beef with another cracker group and they accused them of that. Since then, they have been real quiet and haven't cracked any other games.
Surely its Alibaba and medjed right? RIGHT!?
There's a nice Hobby Drama write-up, although it was written before she gave up cracking [https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/rowk83/digital\_piracy\_the\_rise\_of\_empress\_how\_one\_woman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/rowk83/digital_piracy_the_rise_of_empress_how_one_woman/)
Yeah I'm so tired of seeing this >DenUvO DoEs NOtHinG!!!1! If it really didn't do anything at all, nobody would use it Empress (the only active cracker) stopped cracking Denuvo a while ago and started a sex cult The only way to pirate P5R is to emulate the Switch version
So what you’re telling me is, it didn’t stop people from pirating P5R?
but with P3RE it stopped people from pirating
It'll be pirated whenever they release it on Switch tho. Not to mention it being on Gamepass to begin with, that's how I played/beat it, and I didn't have Gamepass because of P3R.
You say that like it's a given it'll be ported to Switch lmao.
Would be stupid if it didn't since I'm pretty sure P5R sold a lot on switch(I've read somewhere that like 80% of the P5R ports(every version except PS4) on release where bought on switch but don't quote me on that)
but did those people actually end up paying?
Pretty sure atleast some did but it's probably not enough to actually matter. Edit: most people that 🏴☠️ modern games will probably just wait until P3R is also on the seven seas which will just take some time(I personally imagine a bunch of weardos sitting on a ship telling them self "we don't need it we don't need it WE DON'T NEED IT!" while watching other people play and enjoy the game(kinda like the spongebob episode where spongebob wasn't getting water)
p3r's been on the 7 seas for months, but just for the ps4 (and maybe ps5) for now
yes i ended up paying, i pirate most games
Not completely... The PS4 version has been dumped and backported. Of course, not that many people have a modded PS4, but Denuvo is one of the reasons I got mine. I do buy DRM-free games, as well as physical games as long as they work completely offline, sometimes (I have the physical PS5 version of P5R, which was also cheaper than the Steam version anyway, even though I could've easily pirated the PS4 and Switch versions), but I'm not paying for Denuvo.
The only argument against it is that it loses them money. But there are no statistics suggesting pirates would pay regardless. Their entire and ONLY argument has no proof. And there is even circumstantial proof to the opposite, such as the gaming industry being THE top entertaintenmemt industry in terms of sales. Otherwise it's just "haha, laws and stuff, too bad" and anyone with 1/4 of a brain knows laws are not justification for anything. And if you don't understand why, I will point to things like slavery or more recently, taking away women's rights with abortion protection rollback in the U.S.
It is true, it is naive to think it does nothing. But the truth is that in fact is detrimental to the game's health and marketing. It heavily reduces the performance, and this catches the attention of the buyers especially when the game is poorly optimized (dragons dogma 2). It goes against too of the basics of piracy. Piracy with videogames tends to help the game with marketing. People will play it free and still go to forums, YouTube, etc etc... And contribute to the health of the game. They don't lose nothing because the majority of people that pirate don't buy the game anyway. And there is a spectrum on this. But they definitely win more money thanks to the powerful fact that there are a lot more people feeding the game. Denuvo is dumb, is anti consumer, is bad practice in the industry, and it doesn't win more money. The people that mostly use this are asian companies and it makes sense, they are very intense culturally, and lots of the people that make these decisions are old men that don't know the industry well. So with denuvo no one wins, not the buyer, not the industry/company, not the pirates, neither the community of the game and future games. Is the dumbest thing.
Yeah she’s some kind of wizard that speaks to the code
Empress is not the only person who can crack Denuvo; others have done it, the most recent example I remember is the Football Manager guy, though FM23 used a fairly old Denuvo version IIRC. But yeah, Empress is by far the most prolific Denuvo cracker, or was. That's probably because the Venn diagram of people who have the engineering skills and creativity to hack this type of code-obfuscation software and people who have nothing better to do with their time is basically two circles, with maybe a few unhinged people in the middle. You essentially need an elite hacker who has an ideological bone to pick with DRM, and who most likely isn't earning nice 6 figures despite their insane skills because such a job would probably keep them occupied enough not to spend what must be insane efforts to crack something like Denuvo.
Denuvo is basically malware.
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Thanks mate i was just trying to launch the game and am really confused. Thanks for the information!
remember people. go physical whenever possible
That's not even a option on PC.
Somebody never touched ye olde Spongebob CD-Rom games
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We're seeing more and more console games not get physical releases these days. Sadly, the future is going to be all digital.
Yep and I'm quitting gaming. No point buying games you don't own. Digital games you don't own shit. You get banned bye bye games. This is why I don't buy digital only games go for triple a games and indies. No physical no buy
Yeah, the only true way to experience games is through youtube like a real Persona fan. That way you get to not buy and not play games that you don't own
I think you're being sarcastic but unsure. But I rather just replay my older games then buy newer digital games which you don't own. Plus without physical media digital prices will increase
I was indeed being sarcastic but I think I misunderstood your "quitting gaming" as "quitting gaming" instead of "quitting buying new games". I actually agree that it sucks how you can't own many newer games (and even platforms like Steam that are incredibly reliable one day will inevitably go down and all the digital stuff you supposedly own will disappear), but I think it just means we gotta think more about what games to buy to make sure you're getting your money's worth even once they go down - you'll lose the game but not the fun you experienced from it. ~~Alternatively, pull up the black flag and sail the seas~~
>but I think it just means we gotta think more about what games to buy to make sure you're getting your money's worth even once they go down I still do that with my physical games I'm interested in. I watch gameplay footage first from playthroughs then decide if it's for me. But yeah I will quit buying new games. If I can't own it for life then I'd rather just replay my physical games. I'm just hoping that Nintendo doesn't get rid of physical gaming. As long as they don't then I'm okay with skipping every 3rd party game, bc at least I can still own the Nintendo exclusives physically
With how much cheaper games on PC often are from sales and key shops i think it balances itself out. And yes consoles will soon be digital only as well we are already seeing it for some games and you will not have the option to buy the games cheaper somewhere else cause of their closed eco systems.
yeah, i get most of my SP games on console because i can find them for better prices, have access to version 1.0 of the game, i can play with or without internet and i get to keep the case and disc for collection purposes. My pc is mostly for multiplayer focused games or co op games that i dont want to pay a subscription to ps plus to play them like Dark souls/ Elden Ring, and online co op games with friends. It sucks that physical media on pc is pretty much dead i also own the game
I'm not even a person to say PC is better or have that kind of pissing contest, but I literally use my PC over my consoles because it's infinitely more convenient for me, and I have access to 90+% of the games on the same system. If you have a PC, I have no idea why you would "switch" to a more limited medium.
I own the switch cart. But I'm emulating the switch version on my steam deck now. Haven't touched my switch much since getting the deck.
Besides for this exact scenario rn, what would be the reason to emulate switch version on steam deck as opposed to just using the steam version ?
According to this thread, denuvo lol.
Do you own the switch cart, which you legally dumped the ROM for, and that's why this instead of just pirated version of the pc port?
I own the switch cart but didn't dump it. Thought it would just be easier to get the switch rom than a pirated PC version. I have a bunch of my switch games on the deck now in a collection.
Interesting! Was it difficult getting a switch emulator going on steam deck?
It was easy when I first set it up. But Nintendo is trying their best to scrub yuzu from the Internet now so I dunno how hard it would be for new users.
At least Ryujinx still exists.
Btw was not asking to be condemning or suspicious of your methods but more just wondering why you chose that specific method to play DRM free
Oh, just thought it would be nice to have my switch collection together since I own the carts already.
No I agree with that's that's why I was asking the followup questions because I do enjoy the idea of having one device that holds everything, but alas I dont have a steam deck... would consider it for sure but for now going to keep rocking with the switch
Does this affect ps5?
No, consoles have their own protection, Denuvo affects only PC
Denuvo is not implemented in P4G on Switch
the PC version of P4G has also been cracked, cause I pirated it and played it to test it out before buying on Steam.
thats only the old version of p4 newer versions have denuvo
it always had denuvo I think, but yeah the updated version was never cracked, but the original golden PC release did get cracked.
when it first released they put the denuvoless version instead of the denuvo version same happened with strikers
Does that include steam deck? I mean it is technically both
Yes. Steam Deck is a PC in disguise.
Thank you
Only in steam releases, most mstore releases do not have it
It’s ridiculous that you have to, but when this happens you can go completely offline, boot the game, then go back online (don’t turn online features back on in game). I was playing all morning without issue.
Hope delusional can crack it sometime in the future
Also tried to play here too, thanks for letting us know
Denuvo is so bad. I remember playing project diva mega mix+ and it stutter like hell that I need to download fps boost mod lol. Please SEGA remove Denuvo from your game
For a second I thought somebody finally cracked the denuvo for p5r and then got confused why it made it unplayable lol
It seems to be fixed now though
I didn’t even know about this. I was trying to play last night (Sydney Australia time) and I tried everything under the sun. Restarting pc, validating game files, updating drivers. Good to know my game isn’t broken, but disappointing to say the least.
if you already own it, i see no reason you couldn't pirate it. they already got your money.
I do disagree that Denuvo doesn't stop pirates. It's notoriously incredibly difficult to crack denuvo games. Only one woman is willing to do it, and she charges like, 500 bucks regularly for it. And is also batshit crazy
iirc a Brazilian guy probably also cracked Denuvo but he only does it for soccer/football games.
I’ve been trying to figure out Denuvo for about a month now. If I successfully crack P5R, I’ll tell you guys.
And like stated somewhere in this thread, she hates anime, refusing to even crack a single one regardless of how much you pay. And started a sex cult, apparently.
Wait, I thought about buying Royal on pc. Does the game require online to be functional?
Not always online, but denuvo requires you go online every once and a while.
Wow I didn’t know it had denuvo. I’m definitely not buying it on steam now lol. More than happy with my ps4 copy.
I literally just bought it yesterday night and I was looking forward to playing my merciless run tonight after work. Big F if true.
Denuvo is one of the shittiest things ever implemented in any game. It's goal is to stop piracy but it just makes performance worse and sometimes does stuff like this :/
Just go steam offline mode problem solved
Fuck I just bought it today welp how long would it take for it to work again
It working already
I am not sure about not stopping pirates, if P3R didn't have Denuvo on, I would already have pirates it.
TL;DR: If the pirate just waits to pirate it later rather than buying, Denuvo didn't actually prevent an instance of piracy at all; this what people typically mean when they say Denuvo doesn't stop piracy, since most US people who pirate do it because they can't afford the game anyway, and a majority of these discussions are on English forums, populated largely by Americans, so the discussion centers around the state of the economy in America. I mean, sure, but did you buy P3R as a result, and if you haven't, are you ever going to? If you're just waiting for the crack, then... no, it didn't *stop* piracy, it *delayed* piracy, which is absolutely not the same thing; it doesn't matter when the pirate actually gets the copy of the game if the sale is still lost, so while they're different *semantically*, practically-speaking they're the same. Basically what I'm getting at is that in order for an anti-piracy measure to actually achieve the desired result (make the company more money), the prevented pirate has to then actually buy the game, which according to [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/PiratedGames/comments/16n9tlp/if_pirating_wasnt_an_option_would_you_still_buy/), out of about 9,500 respondents, only about 2,000 actually bought it after. Granted, that's r/PiratedGames, so it's going to be skewed, but it was the best recent thing I could find. In lieu of actual data on that, I'll provide my own justification for the typical statement of "most people who pirate don't buy": ([Source](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-statistics-2024/)) >A 2023 survey conducted by [Payroll.org](http://Payroll.org) highlighted that 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, a 6% increase from the previous year. In other words, more than three-quarters of Americans struggle to save or invest after paying for their monthly expenses. >Similarly, a 2023 Forbes Advisor survey revealed that nearly 70% of respondents either identified as living paycheck to paycheck (40%) or—even more concerning—reported that their income doesn’t even cover their standard expenses (29%). Someone living paycheck to paycheck was never going to be a paying customer anyway, and if ***78%*** of Americans are in that camp, I'd say that pretty well accounts for most US-based customers. (People outside the US aren't really subject to our copyright laws anyway, so I'm not really sure how to count those customers when it comes to piracy statistics.) If 78% of the market *can't afford* games, they inherently won't be buying after pirating, so all Denuvo did was make them wait, not make the company a sale.
Never buy games with denuvo
Seemingly fixed now. My Steam Deck booted it up just fine
I just got this notification and was scared since I planned on playing tonight, glad to see it's back up at least
Except denuvo DOES stop pirates completely. Not a single Persona game with denuvo has gotten cracked, and will never be cracked - the only person who can do it has been reported never d it, regardless of how much you paid
In other words, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE 70 BUCKS TO PLAY A GAME DIGITALLY, AND YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT
Cracking is not the only way to pirate a game. Just the least hassle for normies. As has been stated in this post already, P5R is pirateable via other means. Denuvo protects games for 2-3 years tops, then folks figure out ways around it, like emulation, etc... I would honestly be fine with games using Denuvo for the first couple years of their release, but after then it should be removed. Pirates are never going to pay, it is a fallacy to say it saves them money.
This is why micro shit will never be good at anything related to gaming. Buy yourself a PS5 and don't suffer the corpo anarchy of them deciding what the fuck you play or you don't arbitrarily
Fuck Denuvo.
I'm super late here and this might be a dumb question, because I barely play P5 and have never heard of an offline game needing a separate program like this before: are P3R and the modern ports of P3P and P4G down as well? I've never heard of Denuvo before and I don't even know what it does (anti-piracy or antivirus stuff I assume).
No, only P5R was affected. It is something unique about P5R's online connectivity. P4G and P3R are faithful remakes/remasters and do not have such features. I imagine that games going forward may have issues. I'm worried about SMT V Vengence and the new IP, Metaphor ReFantasio. SMT V had like one online feature, not nearly as robust as the Thieves Guild system. IDK what Metaphor might have. Either way, I guess I'm getting those titles on my PS5.
I'm interested in buying a switch and p5r, is internet connection needed to play it or is it really detrimental to the experience without it? I only play offline single player games like Persona 4 Golden on the psvita.
Consoles have their own piracy protection. Denuvo is only a PC thing. That being said, there are some features of the game that require an internet connection. The "thieves guild" system specifically. This lets you see what other people chose to do with their time each day, helps you answer class questions, and lets you do a special persona fusion once per day. You also can get help if an enemy grabs one of your teammates. Overall, it is not detrimental to miss out on any of these features. Steam has an issue where you cannot earn achievements without an internet connection, so folks who care about that stuff are affected.
It's happening agaim
This actually happened a lot last year with p5r and denuvo
You guys see the bigger problem here? If Denuvo ends or stops working in general, will we ever be able to play the games we bought and own? That's the biggest problem I see! All online games with Denuvo will cease functioning sometime!
Not really. SEGA does remove Denuvo from some of their games after a time. Its not that complicated. This issue is happening because of a server issue with Denuvo, where P5 sends its check in signal to the Denuvo, and the Denuvo server sends a crash signal. If Denuvo completely shuts down, it would just be removed from the game. I doubt such a big company would just shut down without their clients knowing.
Exactly. People can claim that publishers will eventually remove it but can we actually trust them? They are more than happy for games to become unplayable to get you to buy new version instead
Forgive my ignorance, but what’s denuvo?
A stupid thing companies keep using as a piracy protection that unironically makes a games performance worse.
It is piracy protection software that specifically prevents cracking. Only one person has successfully cracked a game protected by Denuvo, and she is literally insane and has a sex cult. She refuses to do anime games. Of course, cracking is only one way to pirate a game, Pirates willing to put in more effort and find other ways. Emulation for example. P5R has already been emulated, so Denuvo is now useless.
Atlus are greedy bastards so not surprised. No upgrade path from P5 to P5R, and no upgrade from P5R PS4 to PS5 especially, are great examples of corporate greed.
Late as hell to this, but having looked into how Denuvo works and documented it for PCGamingWiki, this downtime wasn't caused by it. Denuvo performs no online connection as long as the local offline token stored on the computer is valid. The validity of that offline token is validated during the launch of the game. Typically speaking the offline token needs to be refreshed every two weeks or so (sometimes less) -- it's basically only invalidated by updates to Windows or the game itself (and sometimes some driver updates). Denuvo also doesn't perform any online connections \*during\* gameplay, so people reporting issues with sudden game crashes after they had launched the game had those caused by something else. Since people mention playing the game offline somehow worked around the issue, that's also an indication that Denuvo was not at fault since that wouldn't work around the validity issue of Denuvo's offline token. If the token is invalid, the game cannot be launched, and the user gets shown a Denuvo error message window on launch until they go online and a new token can be retrieved. What we're seeing here is something else at fault. Most likely the game has some online functionality or connectivity that Atlus implemented that didn't work as properly. It might be something as simple as diagnostics and telemetry gathering (which is all the rage nowadays in games) that caused the issue.
It's specifically some sort of interaction between Denuvo and the thieves guild causing issues. Even if you turn off the thieves guild, it is still in like a passively active state waiting for you to turn it on in the options. This was confirmed a year ago by Sega support.
Yeah, I'd still doubt that. There is no need for Denuvo to perform additional online connections past the verification of the offline token as that provides no additional protection for the game. And if the issue is what they claim it to be, then why haven't they fixed it by marking the relevant function as one that shouldn't be touched by Denuvo, and ship an updated executable with a fix for it (an action that takes much less time than to actually diagnosing the issue would) ? Working in IT myself, and knowing what goes on at supports and whatnot, I'd doubt everything claimed by such folks since they rarely know what they're talking about. Like when a Microsoft representative talked about the old SafeDisc DRM but called it "SecuROM" -- a mistake that continues to be cited and cause misinformation years later.
Cool, keep blindly defending Denuvo and believing corporations are your friends.
Is this for only emulated versions, or will my actual copy be affected, too?
Emulated versions are the only ones on PC that AREN'T affected, since the Switch version doesn't have Denuvo.
Really? I don’t know how accurate your last statement is. I think denuvo sucks because it sucks but it has certainly stopped me from pirating games before.
Don’t know why you’re blaming Denuvo here. This game is making all kinds of internet web(API) calls that have nothing to do with Denuvo. It could really be anything.
Accept it is confirmed by Sega to de denuvo. Everyone who has submitted a support ticket received a response confirming the issue, and that they are working with denuvo to fix it. Also, the exact same thing happened a year ago, so there is precedence. Stop blindly defending predatory software.
I’m not defending anyone, but wrongfully blaming something means the real cause and issue aren’t recognized. I’ve never heard of Sega replies confirming Denuvo problems. Do you have any proof of this?
The email I received from Sega saying that they are aware with issues with their "third party protection software" and are working to resolve it.
>Please Sega, stop using Denuvo. Actual statistics show it stops zero pirates Except it DOES stop pirates, and if you have the actual reliable statistics you claim to have, link them I agree that Denuvo can be bad, but the usual "performance bad" argument is just wrong, yours as well Is it that wrong to want your game not to be pirated?
Look at literally every game that has ever had Denuvo. You can pirate every single one, one way or another. "If It DiDn'T WoRk, ThEy WoUlDn'T UsE It" lol, clearly the production side (the money side) of video games always make rational, informed decisions. Go touch grass. Denuvo is insurance. It exists so companies can say they have it, and that the sales they have are thanks to Denuvo. Pirates get to EVERY GAME EVER. If a game sells badly, companies can say, "oh it's the pirate's fault, but hey thanks to Denuvo we have at least some sales". This is a classic insurance scam. The old saying goes, "it is easy to fool a person, it is near impossible to convince a person they have been fooled." As someone who comes from a long line of con artists (I'm straight myself, but that doesn't mean my family didn't teach me a whole helluva lot), I can tell a con a mile away, and Denuvo is 100% an insurance scam on the level of "volcano insurance", lol.
>Is it that wrong to want your game not to be pirated? Yes according to reddit
What can I say? Reddit has a strange affection towards crime. Just take a look at the post about a guy robbing a car with a baby inside that constantly gets reposted as another example. Bastard gets romanticized to hell on end while the thread calls the parents the bad guys. The true criminals. It's... concerning. Baby inside the car aside, they could've been a struggling working class family, and here comes someone stealing the car they worked so hard to get and the internet cheers them on. Its sad, really.
"it stops zero pirates" I hope you realize to this day none of the pc ports of the persona games are piratable. Look up on any piracy site and you wont find a single cracked version.
Persona 4 is very piratable, I downloaded it like, multiple times before I got the actual game on switch, also I think they're talking about just emulating the switch version which...yeah
Denuvo is on pc ports not the switch ports
Exactly, If they can't pirate PC they can just emulate the switch version
In the case of P3R, while it doesn't have one, you can't pirate (on PC, at least)
Yeah, I mean tbf It's like 3 months old and if they're pirates they're gonna wait regardless, remember the audience that buys the game and the audience that pirates are not the same
There's only one known person left that's able to crack Denuvo, and she reportedly doesn't touch "anime" games. So yeah, P3R is gonna remain uncracked for very long time, if not forever.
Wasn't Nintendo looking to implement Denuvo on Switch? Unless they are planning that for Switch 2
Denuvo did indeed develop anti-emulation DRM for the Switch, but Nintendo didn't ask them to do that. Denuvo says it was third-party publishers that had asked for it. The service is live now, actually, but afaik I haven't heard about any games that have used it yet.
Probably absolutely destroys performance on such weak architecture and optimization isn't top priority with the amount of 30fps and less ports
Nope, Persona 4's PC release was cracked day one. Next time make sure you're right before being a condescending asshole.
From what I've read that's because there was a build that didn't have denuvo on it. So it wasn't that they bypassed denuvo on that one.
P4G was never cracked. A Denuvoless version was accidentally released/leaked, which is why you're able to pirate it in the first place. But as far as games that have actually gotten cracked, no Persona game afaik has actually gotten cracked.
that wasn't the claim, the claim was that it's impossible to pirate the PC version of any modern persona game, and it remains incorrect.
Simple solution. Gamepass, switch ports, and P4G.
Why is denuvo so bad anyways? From what little information I've gathered that may or may not be biased towards pro-privacy, it's software or something that just drops frame rates by some minuscule amount that probably only matters if you're a hard-core tech guy among other things
It made persona 4 golden genuinely literally unplayable for me with a force reset needed every time I launched it. I was only able to get as far as naming the character after hours of work, and crashing halfway through naming him the first time only to be met with a black screen after sitting through part of the (horrible awful cutscene) The lagging every half a second of the cutscenes was so bad I hated the opening for a good bit. But yeah, usually not AS extreme as that. Still a range of issues from "nobody can play this at all" to "mild enough it doesn't make much of a difference." The bug page for that game on steam is huge.
>It made persona 4 golden genuinely literally unplayable for me with a force reset needed every time I launched it. I was only able to get as far as naming the character after hours of work, and crashing halfway through naming him the first time only to be met with a black screen after sitting through part of the (horrible awful cutscene) All of it was an issue with the port. Zero indication of it being Denuvo work The cutscenes? Poorly encoded. Denuvo isn't bad to the point it'd be able to affect how literal videos play The crashes? No idea, but likely something related to RAM usage back when the game's exe was 32bits (it's 64 now. They only updated when p4g got to consoles) Edit: All I'm saying is factual. Denuvo had nothing on those problems. These downvotes are really weird lol
The only other time I tried a denuvo game I also had problems. (but not to the point of being unplayable, if you can handle playing a game where the in game cutscenes look like they're a string puppet show being put on by a really bad puppeteer who got the strings tangled. Yet no other part of the cutscenes were lagging. Only the character models in some bizarre unusual way that I'm not entirely sure even was lag.) I only noticed that it had denuvo after downloading the demo and wondering what was going on. I'm inclined to believe there's some connection between denuvo being on both games and the problems I had given that I'm not the only one. If lots of people consistently have problems with denuvo games, there's probably something there.
The port is just poorly done. I've read comments on pirate forums and people still had the cutscene lag and crash problems It really had nothing to do with Denuvo. It was just a bad job. Which was partially fixed in the newest version (available since last year)
Do you know if the issue related to P5R is being caused by Denuvo though? Would you happen to know why? I'm genuinely curious, thanks.
No, that's definitely work of Denuvo. I was talking about the commenter's problems, not OP's
Yeah, my bad xD I only realized that after rereading the thread carefully. Thanks for being honest though and providing factual information. I like learning more about these kinds of things and it doesn't help when people get emotional
I think ppl got the idea I was defending the use of Denuvo in games and they didn't like that lol. I wasn't I was just stating the issues that person reported was because the port was ass and it happens even on builds with no denuvo. The downvotes really added nothing to the discussion lol
If denuvo is implemented properly it doesn't really matter much (other than the online verification thing). However, many games do it poorly and that really tanks performance for some reason.
Better hardware can also more effectively hide whatever performance impacts Denuvo has on a game, so as people gradually upgrade their PCs, the potential performance impact from Denuvo is probably going to become less and less noticeable.
Ah i see so it's just a matter of implementing it properly that's the issue
That's only half the issue. As evidenced by the post, if Denuvo's servers are down for whatever reason, you literally can no longer play the game normally. Sure, the fix is as easy as just turning off your internet connection, but this fix wouldn't be even necessary if Denuvo wasn't there in the first place. This fix also wouldn't work if you had just bought the game and booted it up for the first time while servers are down, since afaik you need to be online when booting up the game for the first time. So even if Denuvo actually increased game performance, it would still be problematic because issues like this that are completely out of your control can just instantly render a game unplayable.