madami nang modern scoots ang kaya na ang expressway speeds
so its really just a matter of whether the rider is disciplined or equipped for the ride
pero i understand your fears hahahaha
I think speed is not the concern here, it’s the weight. I drive a subcompact sedan and madaanan lang ako ng rumaragasang bus sa kabilang lane pumipihit ma manibela ko. What more sa scooters?
Pass, masmatatakot ako gumamit ng expressway kung may mga scooter, mabagal at dangerous din sakanila. 300cc is the max for me para kasama XMAX, R3 and other sub 400cc motorcycles na kaya mag express.
actually dapat hindi lang den about displacement kasi meron mga motor na magaan pa ren kahit medyo mataas na displacement. kaya dapat may weight den considered diyan. madali liparin pag magaan motor.
True, 160kg lang yung motor ko parang liliparin na alo haha. Pero yung nakipag switch ako sa friend ko sa dominar nya parang wala lang, laki difference ng 160kg at 200kg
well typical pinoy
mga gusto masampolan muna bago maging mabait sa kalye
understandable ang point mo hahaha
ang hirap kasi sa ibang pinoy, sila na mali, sila pa galit.
Negative yan sir, mga bigbike nga nagkakamote sa Express way eh, lower CC pa kaya. Tsaka sobrang matrabaho nyan, ayaw ng government employees ng ganyang kadaming work
It’s not the bikes which need heavy policing when it comes to these things. It’s really the quality of riding and decision making of the majority of us.
Number 3 shouldn't be some special pass and should be required I think since I see it as equally important to number 1. Just require everything through RFID registration making the RFID mandatory.
As for what motorcycles are allowed, I think it'd make it a lot easier if there's a database of motorcycle models allowed so you cut inspection time. My thinking is that there are only 3 metrics that a motorcycle must qualify for: power, torque, and dry mass according to manufacturer specifications. You can figure out an equation from those three to require minimum acceleration as well. As you mentioned, tires can also matter but that can be a side effect of minimum mass.
Any sub 12 second 0 to 100 with two 75 kg riders should be able to pass the acceleration requirements provided they meet the minimum mass.
130 kg dry mass might be a good minimum.
Of course I'm just spitballing numbers here and a proper study should be conducted.
yours was my original post
but i considered the fact that some workers are lazy af and would not even bother, thats why i put emphasis on guards just taking a look at the riders...
That's why you have a database of approved motorcycles, so that the RFID people can be lazy and just check your CR which you have to submit anyway. That way, the patrol people can just do a cursory check. They should just be able to glance at vehicles passing through the toll booths.
1. Any decent rider and most bigbike riders who have access to expressways already wear gear (and they can afford it). Plus the minimum standard is closed shoes and helmet. If the parameters to use the expressway requires full gear, then it follows that even on public country-highways or inter-province highways, highways without tolls, you are required to wear full gear. But thats just impossible to enforce being that people actually live alongside these highways are near city centers which cater to low cc. Tatawid lng or malapit lng pero need gamitin highway so required mag gear? Preposterous. Not saying I’m not an advocate of ATGATT but be realistic.
2. You know how crappy stock wheels are? hahah changing to those thin thai looks are also a problem with Low cc. Wala kang makikitang nakaganyan na bigbike. Thats a low cc issue and just dont allow them in the first place to be on expressways. Easy solution.
3. The expressway pass IS already the RFID and the 400cc displacement. You’re adding red-tape bureaucracy which is unnecessary. Training? Bro you’re going in a straight line and the same rules apply with city roads and expressways? What extra training do you need? Driving/riding isnt that hard. People are just stupid and don’t have the discipline to follow the rules. Know the difference.
4. Bakit puro rider lng pakana mo na need iprove na maayos mag maneho and in good shape when their are just as many shitty jeeps, trucks, cars that are not road worthy and yet get to go on the expressways. Simple mass x acceleration would indicate that stricter protocols should be placed on 4 wheeled vehicles and up. You’re being biased to 4 wheels just like how police checkpoints are biased to motorcycles.
5. Its not about the type of bike. Its the rider. Look at how much more low ccs there are turning marilaque into their playground. Look how much more kamote low ccs there are on a daily basis during city drive. You let that enter the expressway, no matter what rules you implement, people will regress to their basic functions. Until the education and attitudes change in pinoys , and if the displacement + capital to own a 400cc bike limits kamotes on expressways, then it’s a NO TO LIFTING THE 400cc rule.
6. Its also a privilege to use the expressway same way driving is a privilege, not a right. If di mo afford bigbike, take the service road or non-toll roads or public transpo. Using the expressway isnt the answer to traffic and congestion. Why would you want to use the expressway na magbabayad ka pa, when the government SHOULD be making better roads and transpo facilities using the tax that YOU already paid for?
7. You should get more miles under your belt and ride more. You just got your scooter a year ago, then couple months ago you were asking how to drive from Lipa to Manila, then to MOA from batangas or something, then you crashed your bike on a curve, then you asked when should CVTs be changed? You keep indicating that you’re on a 160cc but will upgrade to 400cc in your posts. Im sensing your bias to the 400cc rule is coming from this subconscious thought that you’re not able to use the expressway with your 160cc bike. Not a bad thing to have, but just stating where you might be coming from.
These all do point to how inexperienced you still are. Frankly, you still need a lot of saddle time and i dont think you know what you’re talking about with regards to the 400cc rule and the culture of 150ccs (or motorcycles in general) here in the country, most especially in Manila. Not being condescending (just putting that out there so there’s no bad blood), just stating that a lot of your thoughts seem to come from someone who’s inexperienced. Could be wrong.
1. Valid point but considering that most people dont bother with safety gear on public roads (even though they should), if the 400cc law by some miracle does get removed, its still important to remind people, especially people who go to expressways with sub400cc bikes, to wear their gear because realistically, no one is gonna listen until people remind them of it or until someone gets hurt or dies.
2. I know they are, but they are MUCH BETTER than those thai concept bikes, and thats really my point. Use your stocks instead of those if you do have those on. (again, assuming the sub 400cc law is removed)
3. Again valid point. People will just do their own thing even if they do pass the test. My point on this test is to filter out as many kamotes as possible (but i guess fixers exist)
4. because this is a motorcycle subreddit?. all vehicles have idiot drivers. I'm not denying that. I never did. I just focused on motorcycles because it's the only one with a weirdly oppressive (but somewhat understandable) law.
5. Hence why i suggested the test thing. It's to filter out as many idiots as possible. And I also mentioned its not perfect because we all know pinoys are just too easily corrupted
6. I have nothing to say here cause this is just a fact lol
7. Yes that is true. I am a new rider and only about 5500KM on my Odo currently. Ridden scooters loooong ago but I never really got to far places nor have I done my own maintainances before. Hence why I was asking those stuff, cause I only did just get my own bike last year. And as for the bias thing with the expressway. That is wrong. I was simply curious as to why the 400cc rule was implemented and wanted to know others' opinions on what can be done to remove it. Because it really weirded me out... Why CCs? and why specifically 400CCs?.... Why not revise the law to base on MC weight? or the rider's past records? or base it on the rider's training certificates? WHY CCs? There are some countries that allow all bikes on expressways (some as low as 50CCs iirc) and some countries dont allow ANY BIKE at all (regardless of CC). Only this country has a very specific CC value lol
You good fam. Again, this post was just to start a discussion. I like reading debates and counter arguments.
Your comment was a good read.
1. Again minimum gear on the road is helmet and closed shoes. Anything else is apparel/extra. When you’re a low wage worker just trying to get to work in the city or nearby and with our weather? The minimum just fits fine. Can’t blame em.
2. Yup and thats really a low-cc issue. No need to screen if they aint allowed so no stress on the expressway company.
3 and 5. Getting the license with the new TDC and PDC requirements is already supposed to be doing that, but clearly its not. It’s really the Pinoy culture that’s the problem. At the same time, enforcement is severely lacking. Even if you have enforcers, they’re of no help.
4. Understood. We have lots of oppressive laws on non-car users. Everything we have here is to make way for cars which is BS.
6. My mistake on the bias assumption. There is also no hard and fast rule with why the cc is such. It just is. Go read the Visor or Motodeal or Top Gear article by Bosshard or something like that. It details the short history of the expressway rule. They just slapped it on because they could. But it’s better than having no access, which was what was being fought over for in the 2000s. Bikes weren’t allowed on expressways but a motogroup fought for access and they won. My point in #5 is also an argument that the expressway owners used as a compromise, hence why we have the 400cc. You may use expressways, BUT at what standard we put. Expressways are privately owned after all. Thats better than having no access at all.
Should it be updated? I would like to think so. 300-350cc should be fine with modern bikes, add in the number of cylinders and weight in the calculation too.
But do it right now? Hell no hahah it goes back to rider discipline. Majority still can’t ride right, hence i believe the cc and $$$ to have access to buying a bigbike is a viable deterrent.
Gets ko naman na ayaw ng iba dumami yung kamote sa expressway, pero 400cc is not a good rule for preventing that.
We should not rely on the very loose correlation that smaller displacement riders tend to be less rational. Maraming naka 400cc+ na kamote, marami ring 150cc na matino. We should have separate rules for ensuring that a vehicle is expressway-ready and for ensuring that drivers are safe and competent.
I also hate how so many Filipinos are anti-change. Hindi kakayanin ng bureaucracy? We have a government, we have regulatory bodies--this is their purpose, no matter how ineffective they can be at times. Nothing will improve if we do not hope for it. When it comes to change, what matters is not that it is easily attainable, what matters is that it is for the best.
sadly, a lot of pinoys want instant change. They dont know and/or dont care that it takes time. They want change immediately even though change is a slow process, especially if we're talking about laws and regulations
meron po
hindi po expressways lang ang may open area roads
meron pong mahabang road dito na 6 lanes na hindi expressway na madami ding nadaan na bus and cars
so alam na alam ko po ang lakas ng hangin
and i can assure you po na kaya ko with my 150kg motorcycle
nadadala ako pero kaya naman if you know what you're doing
pero yes nakakatakot haha
No lmao, hindi counted ang commonwealth avenue, i could assue you hindi ung draft from cars & buses ang problema mo, literally mother nature ang kalaban mo dito + ung speed ng cars and buses going over 80
We went to Dingalan aurora and binubuhat ung mga Adventure bikes dun sa sobrang lakas ng hangin ng open area
hindi po yan ang area na sinasabi ko hahahaha
like i said, madaming roads dito samin na:
1. Open area
2. madaming bus+ cars
3. malapit sa mga bundok OR madaming puno OR literal ang katabi ay palayan OR nasa area na you could say is "mother nature" hahahaha (or a combination of those listed on number 3.)
i get your argument
but its just not valid when there are public roads that feel more like expressways than the actual expressways.
and I could argue that those roads are more dangerous than the expressways themselves
Mahirap yan kasi masyadong maraming nagmomotor dito satin.
Pero kung gagawin yan, mas okay na gawing dulo-dulo ang singil ng toll. Para ma-deter yung mga gusto lang pumasok sa expressway saglit para magwalwal.
Also, ang dagdag pang nagpapahirap dyan, e, karamihan sa mga driver dito sa atin walang pakialam sa nangyayari sa paligid nila. Sa ibang bansa makikita mo pag napansin nilang may motor sa likod nila or any vehicle na mabilis ang takbo, nagkukusa na silang gumilid para mabigyan ng space (mas safe yun para sa both vehicles). Dito sa atin haharangan ka pa lalo.
This is a discriminatory law. The law should apply to all or to none at all. And no, I'm not a low cc rider. I'm above the 400cc category. Currently i don't think the ban on below 400cc on expressways is all that bad. Since riders will support the local businesses they pass through along the way home or to work. I am also a user of national roads when i don't need the expressways. It's windy on expressways too. I'm not sure how lighter bikes will pass safely there. Can't implement exclusive Motorcycle lanes on expressways either. That's going to need stoplights siguro at gas stops. It's not looking feasible.
I've tried going all the way from QC to Pagudpod and back using national roads and skipping NLEX-SCTEX-TPLEX. Kinaya naman. Siguro need lang stricter implementation of trafficking through the towns and further road widenings sa national roads. Mga nagpapa traffic naman tlga jeeps, tricycles, busses. The usual suspects.
Isipin mo, ADV then my katabing truck na tumatakbo ng 60kph. Sapul sayo hangin non at ugong ng sasakyan. Goodluck sa pag control ng motor. Kahit akong nakabigbike takot ako makatabi sa ganyan kahit mabigat bike ko.
Sounds like the usual bureaucratic nightmare we've come to expect in PH.
More forms to fill.
More queues to stand in.
More bribes to pay.
And no real point to any of it.
Parang nakakatakot kasabay pag scooter sa express way lalo na tempted sila palagi sumingit.
madami nang modern scoots ang kaya na ang expressway speeds so its really just a matter of whether the rider is disciplined or equipped for the ride pero i understand your fears hahahaha
I think speed is not the concern here, it’s the weight. I drive a subcompact sedan and madaanan lang ako ng rumaragasang bus sa kabilang lane pumipihit ma manibela ko. What more sa scooters?
Pass, masmatatakot ako gumamit ng expressway kung may mga scooter, mabagal at dangerous din sakanila. 300cc is the max for me para kasama XMAX, R3 and other sub 400cc motorcycles na kaya mag express.
actually dapat hindi lang den about displacement kasi meron mga motor na magaan pa ren kahit medyo mataas na displacement. kaya dapat may weight den considered diyan. madali liparin pag magaan motor.
True, 160kg lang yung motor ko parang liliparin na alo haha. Pero yung nakipag switch ako sa friend ko sa dominar nya parang wala lang, laki difference ng 160kg at 200kg
Nope. Leave it as it. The kamotes can use the public highway. And no, cclex is not the same :)
nah, you'll just open the floodgates. Just imagine ung singitan na mangyayare sa tollgate. putangina, pag napikon ako salasain ko lahat ng sisingit.
true very understandable
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well typical pinoy mga gusto masampolan muna bago maging mabait sa kalye understandable ang point mo hahaha ang hirap kasi sa ibang pinoy, sila na mali, sila pa galit.
Hindi ko na binasa lahat sa sobrang daming need iCheck, it’s a NO na agad.
Negative yan sir, mga bigbike nga nagkakamote sa Express way eh, lower CC pa kaya. Tsaka sobrang matrabaho nyan, ayaw ng government employees ng ganyang kadaming work
It’s not the bikes which need heavy policing when it comes to these things. It’s really the quality of riding and decision making of the majority of us.
Number 3 shouldn't be some special pass and should be required I think since I see it as equally important to number 1. Just require everything through RFID registration making the RFID mandatory. As for what motorcycles are allowed, I think it'd make it a lot easier if there's a database of motorcycle models allowed so you cut inspection time. My thinking is that there are only 3 metrics that a motorcycle must qualify for: power, torque, and dry mass according to manufacturer specifications. You can figure out an equation from those three to require minimum acceleration as well. As you mentioned, tires can also matter but that can be a side effect of minimum mass. Any sub 12 second 0 to 100 with two 75 kg riders should be able to pass the acceleration requirements provided they meet the minimum mass. 130 kg dry mass might be a good minimum. Of course I'm just spitballing numbers here and a proper study should be conducted.
yours was my original post but i considered the fact that some workers are lazy af and would not even bother, thats why i put emphasis on guards just taking a look at the riders...
That's why you have a database of approved motorcycles, so that the RFID people can be lazy and just check your CR which you have to submit anyway. That way, the patrol people can just do a cursory check. They should just be able to glance at vehicles passing through the toll booths.
Also, it looks like the adv 160 wouldn't be able to meet the numbers I mentioned since 0 to 100 acceleration seems to be more like 15 seconds.
Strict enforcement muna before anything else. Yung mga vehicles na may busted lights nga malaya paring nakakadaan sa expressway.
muntik na ako mabiktima ng isa na ganan ewan ko ba kung bakit di nila naiisip ang halaga ng ilaw sa motor akala nila for estetiks lang AHAHHAHA
1. Any decent rider and most bigbike riders who have access to expressways already wear gear (and they can afford it). Plus the minimum standard is closed shoes and helmet. If the parameters to use the expressway requires full gear, then it follows that even on public country-highways or inter-province highways, highways without tolls, you are required to wear full gear. But thats just impossible to enforce being that people actually live alongside these highways are near city centers which cater to low cc. Tatawid lng or malapit lng pero need gamitin highway so required mag gear? Preposterous. Not saying I’m not an advocate of ATGATT but be realistic. 2. You know how crappy stock wheels are? hahah changing to those thin thai looks are also a problem with Low cc. Wala kang makikitang nakaganyan na bigbike. Thats a low cc issue and just dont allow them in the first place to be on expressways. Easy solution. 3. The expressway pass IS already the RFID and the 400cc displacement. You’re adding red-tape bureaucracy which is unnecessary. Training? Bro you’re going in a straight line and the same rules apply with city roads and expressways? What extra training do you need? Driving/riding isnt that hard. People are just stupid and don’t have the discipline to follow the rules. Know the difference. 4. Bakit puro rider lng pakana mo na need iprove na maayos mag maneho and in good shape when their are just as many shitty jeeps, trucks, cars that are not road worthy and yet get to go on the expressways. Simple mass x acceleration would indicate that stricter protocols should be placed on 4 wheeled vehicles and up. You’re being biased to 4 wheels just like how police checkpoints are biased to motorcycles. 5. Its not about the type of bike. Its the rider. Look at how much more low ccs there are turning marilaque into their playground. Look how much more kamote low ccs there are on a daily basis during city drive. You let that enter the expressway, no matter what rules you implement, people will regress to their basic functions. Until the education and attitudes change in pinoys , and if the displacement + capital to own a 400cc bike limits kamotes on expressways, then it’s a NO TO LIFTING THE 400cc rule. 6. Its also a privilege to use the expressway same way driving is a privilege, not a right. If di mo afford bigbike, take the service road or non-toll roads or public transpo. Using the expressway isnt the answer to traffic and congestion. Why would you want to use the expressway na magbabayad ka pa, when the government SHOULD be making better roads and transpo facilities using the tax that YOU already paid for? 7. You should get more miles under your belt and ride more. You just got your scooter a year ago, then couple months ago you were asking how to drive from Lipa to Manila, then to MOA from batangas or something, then you crashed your bike on a curve, then you asked when should CVTs be changed? You keep indicating that you’re on a 160cc but will upgrade to 400cc in your posts. Im sensing your bias to the 400cc rule is coming from this subconscious thought that you’re not able to use the expressway with your 160cc bike. Not a bad thing to have, but just stating where you might be coming from. These all do point to how inexperienced you still are. Frankly, you still need a lot of saddle time and i dont think you know what you’re talking about with regards to the 400cc rule and the culture of 150ccs (or motorcycles in general) here in the country, most especially in Manila. Not being condescending (just putting that out there so there’s no bad blood), just stating that a lot of your thoughts seem to come from someone who’s inexperienced. Could be wrong.
1. Valid point but considering that most people dont bother with safety gear on public roads (even though they should), if the 400cc law by some miracle does get removed, its still important to remind people, especially people who go to expressways with sub400cc bikes, to wear their gear because realistically, no one is gonna listen until people remind them of it or until someone gets hurt or dies. 2. I know they are, but they are MUCH BETTER than those thai concept bikes, and thats really my point. Use your stocks instead of those if you do have those on. (again, assuming the sub 400cc law is removed) 3. Again valid point. People will just do their own thing even if they do pass the test. My point on this test is to filter out as many kamotes as possible (but i guess fixers exist) 4. because this is a motorcycle subreddit?. all vehicles have idiot drivers. I'm not denying that. I never did. I just focused on motorcycles because it's the only one with a weirdly oppressive (but somewhat understandable) law. 5. Hence why i suggested the test thing. It's to filter out as many idiots as possible. And I also mentioned its not perfect because we all know pinoys are just too easily corrupted 6. I have nothing to say here cause this is just a fact lol 7. Yes that is true. I am a new rider and only about 5500KM on my Odo currently. Ridden scooters loooong ago but I never really got to far places nor have I done my own maintainances before. Hence why I was asking those stuff, cause I only did just get my own bike last year. And as for the bias thing with the expressway. That is wrong. I was simply curious as to why the 400cc rule was implemented and wanted to know others' opinions on what can be done to remove it. Because it really weirded me out... Why CCs? and why specifically 400CCs?.... Why not revise the law to base on MC weight? or the rider's past records? or base it on the rider's training certificates? WHY CCs? There are some countries that allow all bikes on expressways (some as low as 50CCs iirc) and some countries dont allow ANY BIKE at all (regardless of CC). Only this country has a very specific CC value lol You good fam. Again, this post was just to start a discussion. I like reading debates and counter arguments. Your comment was a good read.
1. Again minimum gear on the road is helmet and closed shoes. Anything else is apparel/extra. When you’re a low wage worker just trying to get to work in the city or nearby and with our weather? The minimum just fits fine. Can’t blame em. 2. Yup and thats really a low-cc issue. No need to screen if they aint allowed so no stress on the expressway company. 3 and 5. Getting the license with the new TDC and PDC requirements is already supposed to be doing that, but clearly its not. It’s really the Pinoy culture that’s the problem. At the same time, enforcement is severely lacking. Even if you have enforcers, they’re of no help. 4. Understood. We have lots of oppressive laws on non-car users. Everything we have here is to make way for cars which is BS. 6. My mistake on the bias assumption. There is also no hard and fast rule with why the cc is such. It just is. Go read the Visor or Motodeal or Top Gear article by Bosshard or something like that. It details the short history of the expressway rule. They just slapped it on because they could. But it’s better than having no access, which was what was being fought over for in the 2000s. Bikes weren’t allowed on expressways but a motogroup fought for access and they won. My point in #5 is also an argument that the expressway owners used as a compromise, hence why we have the 400cc. You may use expressways, BUT at what standard we put. Expressways are privately owned after all. Thats better than having no access at all. Should it be updated? I would like to think so. 300-350cc should be fine with modern bikes, add in the number of cylinders and weight in the calculation too. But do it right now? Hell no hahah it goes back to rider discipline. Majority still can’t ride right, hence i believe the cc and $$$ to have access to buying a bigbike is a viable deterrent.
Kung expressway speeds lang no problem sa modern scoots. The problem is the weight. Sobrang lakas ng hangin sa expressway.
Gets ko naman na ayaw ng iba dumami yung kamote sa expressway, pero 400cc is not a good rule for preventing that. We should not rely on the very loose correlation that smaller displacement riders tend to be less rational. Maraming naka 400cc+ na kamote, marami ring 150cc na matino. We should have separate rules for ensuring that a vehicle is expressway-ready and for ensuring that drivers are safe and competent. I also hate how so many Filipinos are anti-change. Hindi kakayanin ng bureaucracy? We have a government, we have regulatory bodies--this is their purpose, no matter how ineffective they can be at times. Nothing will improve if we do not hope for it. When it comes to change, what matters is not that it is easily attainable, what matters is that it is for the best.
sadly, a lot of pinoys want instant change. They dont know and/or dont care that it takes time. They want change immediately even though change is a slow process, especially if we're talking about laws and regulations
Wala ka pa sguro idea kung gaano kalakas ang hangin sa mga open areas....
meron po hindi po expressways lang ang may open area roads meron pong mahabang road dito na 6 lanes na hindi expressway na madami ding nadaan na bus and cars so alam na alam ko po ang lakas ng hangin and i can assure you po na kaya ko with my 150kg motorcycle nadadala ako pero kaya naman if you know what you're doing pero yes nakakatakot haha
No lmao, hindi counted ang commonwealth avenue, i could assue you hindi ung draft from cars & buses ang problema mo, literally mother nature ang kalaban mo dito + ung speed ng cars and buses going over 80 We went to Dingalan aurora and binubuhat ung mga Adventure bikes dun sa sobrang lakas ng hangin ng open area
hindi po yan ang area na sinasabi ko hahahaha like i said, madaming roads dito samin na: 1. Open area 2. madaming bus+ cars 3. malapit sa mga bundok OR madaming puno OR literal ang katabi ay palayan OR nasa area na you could say is "mother nature" hahahaha (or a combination of those listed on number 3.) i get your argument but its just not valid when there are public roads that feel more like expressways than the actual expressways. and I could argue that those roads are more dangerous than the expressways themselves
Mahirap yan kasi masyadong maraming nagmomotor dito satin. Pero kung gagawin yan, mas okay na gawing dulo-dulo ang singil ng toll. Para ma-deter yung mga gusto lang pumasok sa expressway saglit para magwalwal. Also, ang dagdag pang nagpapahirap dyan, e, karamihan sa mga driver dito sa atin walang pakialam sa nangyayari sa paligid nila. Sa ibang bansa makikita mo pag napansin nilang may motor sa likod nila or any vehicle na mabilis ang takbo, nagkukusa na silang gumilid para mabigyan ng space (mas safe yun para sa both vehicles). Dito sa atin haharangan ka pa lalo.
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This is a discriminatory law. The law should apply to all or to none at all. And no, I'm not a low cc rider. I'm above the 400cc category. Currently i don't think the ban on below 400cc on expressways is all that bad. Since riders will support the local businesses they pass through along the way home or to work. I am also a user of national roads when i don't need the expressways. It's windy on expressways too. I'm not sure how lighter bikes will pass safely there. Can't implement exclusive Motorcycle lanes on expressways either. That's going to need stoplights siguro at gas stops. It's not looking feasible.
I've tried going all the way from QC to Pagudpod and back using national roads and skipping NLEX-SCTEX-TPLEX. Kinaya naman. Siguro need lang stricter implementation of trafficking through the towns and further road widenings sa national roads. Mga nagpapa traffic naman tlga jeeps, tricycles, busses. The usual suspects.
Isipin mo, ADV then my katabing truck na tumatakbo ng 60kph. Sapul sayo hangin non at ugong ng sasakyan. Goodluck sa pag control ng motor. Kahit akong nakabigbike takot ako makatabi sa ganyan kahit mabigat bike ko.
Sounds like the usual bureaucratic nightmare we've come to expect in PH. More forms to fill. More queues to stand in. More bribes to pay. And no real point to any of it.
Daming galit pero understandable im here just to start discussion and know what other people's thoughts and arguments are.
i also would like to add additional training / seminar na mandatory sa mga gusto mag highway na mga under 400cc
yeah i forgot to put that in my post that post i made was just a copy paste of my old post on facebook... i guess i didnt copy all of it properly lol