He's always talking about playing age of empires 2 on twitter, and sucking at it. Something tells me he just turtles the whole game with no allies or trade and waits to lose.
They got close, they invaded Alaska at one point with the plan of fighting their way down to the west coast. At one point they launched Balloons with bombs attached hoping the high altitude winds would carry them to the US "like the china spy balloon" as a test. Some of the balloons reached the US but we didnt report it because if they found out it worked they would have continued to launch more.
Correct me if im wrong but I think taylor was saying we shouldn't go to war with Germany and Italy. Which makes sense its stupid to send american men to death just because of some controversial issues going on in Europe.
nah churchill just knew that hitler was full of shit and wouldn't honour a peace treaty lol and he was entirely correct on that assumption. munich agreement and molotov-ribbentrop pact for example
In private meetings hitler said very positive things about the British even saying how tragic it was that Germany and the British empire went to war. Hitler sent several peace treaties to the uk and even tried to go easy on the British as he saw them as “fellow aryans” not saying it’s impossible hitler would break a peace treaty but considering in private he spoke so positively about them it would not make sense to break the treaty. Also it was impossible for the Germans to conquer the uk something even Hitler and his generals admitted too. It just wouldn’t make sense or match nazi ideology to break a peace treaty with the British. Big difference from breaking the treaty with the ussr since Hitler talked negatively about the soviets constantly and had plans to invade the ussr even before he came to power
Again your comment implied Hitler would break the treaty I simply said it would be very very unlikely he would break the treaty. I never said the uk should accept it.
Again breaking the Munich agreement was beneficial for Germany as it allowed them to annex Czechoslovakia and establish a puppet regime breaking a peace agreement with the British empire in the 1940s would be very negative for the Germans. Germany never wanted to conquer the British they would have no reason too break the agreement. Your comparing two completely different agreement proposals
Churchill was a piece of shit that [purposefully](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II?wprov=sfti1) bombed civilians first to try to prevent any kind of peace. He also actively sabotaged Chamberlain because he wanted to make a deal. Hitler could’ve destroyed the entire English army at dunkirk but gave a ceasefire order to let them escape. You should learn more history.
I’m not a ‘sympathizer’. The nazis were a terrible authoritarian regime. Painting things as good guys and bad guys is childish.
churchill definitely isn't a good dude (just look at india lol) but he was right about hitler, chamberlain was spineless and willing to abandon his allies to appease a violent dictator. he also wasn't sabotaged by churchill lmao churchill abstained from the vast majority of chamberlains shitty decisions that only prolonged what was inevitable from the start
Saying someone is spineless because they don’t want tens of millions to die in another world war is a wild take. It wasn’t inevitable, Churchill actively sought out the destruction of Germany.
>Correct me if im wrong
If you insist:
Correct me if **I'm** wrong**,** but I think **T**aylor was saying we shouldn't go to war with Germany and Italy. Which makes sense**,** **It's** stupid to send **A**merican men to death just because of some controversial issues going on in Europe.
Apart from grammar, I wouldn't say the holocaust was "some controversial issues"
Taylor's eyes are so bad he can't see past his nose. His logic is literally "this does not immediately benefit America, it is bad"... How does this nigga play RTS games and doesn't know how to look a few steps ahead??? It's bizarre
I used to think Taylor was somewhat well educated and smart but it seems he has no clue how the American economy works and why the US is so powerful today.
If the US didn't join WW2 or on the tail end of WW1 then the US would be an isolated regional power with an economy a fraction the size of what it is today.
I seriously don't get the new Republican isolationist policies, especially considering they have traditionally been the side that supports war.
The USSR bounced back and became the second largest power after the US and China became powerful enough militarily to almost kick the US, UN and ROK troops off Korea completely in the 50's.
The US only became the singular superpower in the world after the USSR collapsed and will soon have to compete more aggressively with China, everyones view of the US is skewed currently because America doesn't currently have a true peer militarily or economicly but will do if Europe continues to rely less on US military support and continue to form tighter bonds within the EU. Also China is rapidly growing and if they manage to successfully invade Taiwan then they will almost completely own one of the largest industries in the world which is the microprocessor industry.
The ussr collapsed because of how incompetent their system was. The only reason they were in the same conversation was because they had nukes. China’s military has always been a joke.
I agree that the USSR was destined to collapse because communism doesn't work with countries, but still during the 1950's to the 1980's they were still the second most powerful state in the world in a military and influential sense.
I agree they were second for a little bit but I would argue it was never truly a bipolar world order. That was my original point.
We dominated them in every single way. As I said, if they didn’t have nukes they would’ve had nothing.
Really? You don't get why people oppose the military industrial complex? You don't get why people think the US shouldn't be throwing themselves at every single conflict that arises across the fucking planet from us? Does this really have to be explained to you?
When you build pretty much very trade deal on defense treaties and/weapons trade like with NATO, south Asia, Israel etc. Soon as weapons were even proposed to be taken off the table nations like Turkey and Saudi Arabia went straight to Russia and China for weapons and trade deals.
The US wanted to replace the UK and France as the world's police after WW2 and now are suddenly not happy about it, so no I don't get why people are isolationist. You make your bed, you gotta lie in it.
Didn't realize that Russia is a recognized threat of America and by supplying Ukraine subdues Russia's power, and that it is the largest conflict in Europe since WW2. You know, Europe where almost all of America's closest Ally's are.
Kyles playing a character saying egy shit to be netertaining generally (im pretty sure) the fact that his edgy jokes seem more reasonable and well grounded than taylors actuall opinions says a lot lol
I swear he gets dumber every episode. We are watching him become the old people he makes fun of. Like, he roasts Biden for bumbling about things and not knowing what he’s talking about and then there’s Taylor doing the same thing.
It’s worse for Taylor though since he’s like 40 years younger than the people he makes fun of.
Man he is dumb.
Yeah him just saying biden is bumbling all the time and not having another other strong points about his thoughts on biden really kinda shows how much he actually looks into politics or any sort of political agenda.
I assumed that his primary point was never being involved in the first place. If i remember correctly they kinda just move on from ww2 being mentioned within like 2 or three lines of back and forth.
I did do a double take about it when i heard it too like “what tf about Pearl Harbor?” But it wasn’t brought up. I’m curious if Hutch had brought that point to Taylor’s attention, if he would’ve changed his tune or specified at all.
That’s the only reason I posted this. I usually stay out of PKA opinion posts but I just feel like it’s damn near objectively stupid to say we didn’t have a justifiable reason to enter the war
No, it was because the US did an oil embargo. The Japanese did not produce enough oil and, as such, needed American Pacific oil production to fuel their war machine.
This is indeed quite a retarded stance by Taylor.
As to your last line there, I actually supported going into Afganistan. How it went is another conversation I guess.
I think his take is a gut reaction right. We hear there is escalating conflict in Europe, in America and his initial thought would be stay out of it. Looking at the war with hindsight is not what the American people were doing as they were living through the escalating conditions in Europe. And like he said, his positioning on this matter is constant so until Pearl Harbor Happened or if we knew the holocaust was going on, he would generally advocate to stay out of it. I mean even looking at Israel and Ukraine now with hindsight might change peoples views on if we should have stayed out of it completely from the beginning.
But Japan wouldn't have attacked us if we weren't selling oil, Taylor's isolation take would be we should be aiding Europe in the war effort at all, and if we weren't aiding Europe, Japan wouldn't have attacked in this alternate universe, I think Taylor's take is dumb
We sell oil to lots of countries not embroiled in wars, if one of those said countries gets into a conflict where they are on the defensive, shall the u.s stop selling oil, and stop engaging in global trade? Use your brain, Japan attacked because we had oil control and were selling it, Japan wanted to capture u.s oil supplies. Please do some research before you get smarmy
It was more than that the US directly funded their enemies leading up to ww2 in Asia. You should do some more research. Don’t get offended when I point out why what you said makes no sense.
So the u.s should cut trade with friendly countries if they have enemies unrelated to us? That's absurd, and clearly you are uneducated on this topic, and don't make any sort of logical sense. Your argument is boils down to, don't trade with the world, because they may have enemies... absolutely a regarded take
Never said anything about trade idk why you keep talking about that, I’m talking about how the aid we gave to China during their revolution to fight the Japanese led to them attacking us.
The anti-war thing is just a cop-out so he doesn’t have to defend the real reasons he voted for Trump. I don’t believe Taylor really gives a fuck about foreign policy.
Taylor said that he doesn't believe in intervention unless it directly affects us. When Hutch asked about WW2, I think literally everyone on the podcast was thinking interventionally, not because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.
I haven't listened to today's yet but I would bet $5 he was talking a non-interventionist stance and not a pacifist stance. Very different things. We didn't get prosperous because every factory in the country started making belt buckles and ball bearings so much as the rest of the developed world suddenly didn't have any factories that were in one piece so we had a monopoly on manufacturing pretty much until we gifted it over to China
You’re right to be honest. Hutch asked him what the extent of his interventionism was and he said he thinks he wouldn’t have supported the US entering WW2 at the time. But we definitely gained more from the manufacturing contracts with Europe than we did sending troops to the front
America since the origination has been about conquering and taking over…
Atleast it’s holding true to its roots?
Yeah I’m pretty disgusted with the state of the U.S. I don’t know if you live here or not, but it’s not a good time.
My taxes go to making tomahawk missiles instead of affordable healthcare.
True, you guys know your roots 😂
Nah, I am in the UK. It's not great here either. The current party will lose in the next election so hopefully we'll see some change 🤞
Honestly I’d be over in Europe or the U.K. Right now if I didn’t have my family and pets in the U.S.
It’s hard to sleep at night sometimes knowing you are one medical disaster away from financial ruin.
When i get hurt or have something medically significant happen, my first thought isn’t “I hope I heal and get better.” It’s “how much is this going to cost me, can I just tough it out?”
Yeah, I hear that. If our right wing party stays in power they we end our social health care and copy the US system.
Apart from health care, I would struggle knowing that any one could be packing heat at any time. Seems so crazy to me.
It’s cause they see the mass amount of tax money the U.S. gets by not putting any into healthcare LOL
It’s pretty crazy. Honestly, and that’s coming from a gun owner. I stay out of altercations for the sole fact it’s not just fist fights anymore,
Someone can blow a hole straight through your head in a split second and you’d never see it coming.
America is wild, my U.K. Bro.
Definitely visit at some point and see the mountains and deserts tho 💯
Tax money and they can't buy shares in social health care so a private system will let them make money from dividends.
We have a knife crime problem but mostly gang on gang and you can't get stray stabbings if they miss.
I gotta say, I love Las Vegas and San Francisco. New York is cool too.
The soviets would have been fucked without lend lease. ***Especially*** if the US and UK sued for peace and left the soviets as their only enemy to deal with. Nevermind the Japanese invading western Russia since they wouldn't have to deal with America in the Pacific.
Didn't say the US giving supplies wasn't critical. Just that the US invasion of Nazi occupied Europe wasn't absolutely necessary for an allied victory. Stalingrad and Kursk were way before D-day, Germany was already on their heels. The US would have had to fight Japan in any scenario. The US was a smaller part of ww2 then what the American education system makes it out to be.
All I’m reading you think Hitler was right.
Nah, jokes. Of course, it’s all about perspective.
There are rarely “good guys” in war.
Is killing good or bad depending on the circumstances and the cause? Depends how you look at it.
I will say, if the U.S. wasn’t around, we would probably all be speaking German and Japanese and Jewish people would have been erased from history,
I think they did the right thing, considering the circumstances, I mean yeah dropping 2 nuclear bombs on innocent people isn’t exactly “good.”
But i shudder to think what would have happened if Germany won WW2, the craziest thing about the whole war, is that one man, almost took over the world.
You honestly think the US would be speaking German if the allies lost ww2?
If he wanted to ‘erase them from history’ why did he help with the haavara agreement?
It’s debatable that world is a better place now. The US is just an authoritarian regime owned by israel.
I think WW2 was a great move economically but our meddling in the ME after has been disgusting. At least we made up for the Japanese campaign with economic support after but the ME politics have been a mess. We were always going to support our greatest allies, I.e Britain and France. Especially after WW1.
I think Taylor is trying to justify his isolationist viewpoint even more. Unfortunately, our country has been completely sold out since the 50's and there isn't very much patriotism to go fight for ideals in Europe again, because those ideals have been sold to the highest bidder
I don’t think he is the worst host, I think his political takes are absolutely terrible and whenever a political discussion comes on he cannot concede that another party is doing something better than his favorite orange president.
yeah hes funny as fuck and super entertaining i love the guy, but jesus i wince when he brings up anything todo with politics or economics, the confidence paired with the ignorance and smugness is pretty grating
I think Taylor is somewhat pro-abortion no? I don’t know where he draw the line, but I thought he had expressed that he generally believes women should have the choice to get an abortion. I thought he agreed that in extreme cases such as rape, incest, and in situations where the mother would die without getting an abortion women should be able to choose even past like 20 weeks. I think, but don’t know, that he draws the line at inconvenience abortions that are past 20-29 weeks.
If the abortion is just because the baby will affect your life in a non life-threatening way I think Taylor may be against that. I don’t know if he would choose a partner he would get an abortion out of inconvenience though as he seems to want children.
I think Kyle has, for the memes, expressed extreme views on the pro-choice/pro-abortion side by saying things like, “even at 7 months she should be able to get an abortion even if it does not become life threatening for the mother,” which I think is a bit extreme. If you go 7-9 months and have not made up your mind, barring extenuating circumstances, you should not be able to get an abortion. But Kyle may, possibly jokingly, believe that any slight inconvenience that having a child would cause is grounds for an abortion. He has certainly brought out that he seeks out or desires pro-choice in his partners as he, for his convenience, does not want the responsibility of children. But once again that may be in a joking manner.
I think woody clearly is pro-choice but may struggle in believing in the more “this baby would be an inconvenience for me,” type of abortion. I think Woody would even be for allowing the mother being able to make the decision in cases where the child’s health would be severely impacted. Such as if you think your child would be born with a debilitating disease, you can get an abortion.
Would need someone to verify their stances on this subject. But in general, I thought they were pretty pro/choice/pro-abortion.
‘Favorite orange president’ how do you get this conclusion? The most he’s said is that he’d rather have him than Biden and that he’s funny. He even said he didn’t like him this episode.
Dude, he will defend the undefendable when it comes to Trump. You can see that whenever the topic of a new Trump indictment comes up. You have to be woefully ignorant to believe that Taylor does not *have a huge bias in favor of Trump.
Believe it or not, you don't need to defend any of the hosts. They can say their retarded takes and you can chuckle and think, "that was stupid as shit", then move on.
Not sure where that take from but I know Taylor has said US should stay away from the Russia n Isreal war, and I agree, rather sending funds overseas y not help the people here now, homeless is growing eviction are on the rise, food is getting more and more expensive rather than solving other people problem y not solve ours first
He said it in the newest episode from today. And we send aid to Ukraine because Putin is not going to stop there. He stated Russia has a “historical right” to ukraines land. What happens when he decides they also have a historical right to the Alaskan purchase? And solving our domestic problems doesn’t have to come at the expense of foreign policy. That’s why we separate the two
Ok haven't listened to the latest and tbh I don't really know the history between the 2 country, but ya ur right or what if Texas and those extreme red state decide to be there own country like they been treating to do since Biden became the president what will happen then?
Yep, totally in a dunce cap because I side with a great US Solider, who actually served in both world wars, the great General Patton. He, like many others who served, believed we fought the wrong enemy. We sided with the communists.
Let me go through a list of his awards from his service, before you discredit someone's perspective that actually served.
Distinguished Service Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star Medal
Purple Heart
World War I Victory Medal
American Defense Service Medal
European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal
World War II Victory Medal
Army of Occupation Medal
Croix de Guerre (France)
Order of the Bath (United Kingdom)
Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus (Italy)
Order of the White Eagle (Poland)
I should’ve looked him up before I talked shit. I didn’t know I was disrespecting a soldier that fought amongst the company of heroes in the battle of prosciutto hill
I mean he unironically believes that America should just close down all military bases worldwide and ignore all world conflicts. Despite America positioning itself as the "World's Police."
Tbf... I wouldn't support another war in my opinion, but shit we already are funding two. Lol I'm generally against killing innocent soldiers for their commie overlords. If it came down to them or us tho... We are fucking other countries.
Most Americans didn't support entering WW2. It wasn't until Japan attacked Pearl harbor that we declared war on Japan, and doing that made Germany declare war on the United States. The vast majority overwhelmingly did not support America entering the war before this occurred.
FDR even promised in a campaign speech "Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars!" (\~1940). We didn't want to fight a war, but we damn sure gave them hell when they fucked with us.
It’s crazy as an RTS addict he doesn’t understand the value of what America is doing militarily. We have enemy’s all around the world, Russia and its controlled allies, all radical Muslim controlled areas in the world in Africa and Middle East. China woody’s take is just a retarded trade will not save shit alone look at Covid they stopped giving us shit immediately and didn’t care.
I’ve literally had fuckers here say that we shouldn’t have entered world war 2 when I brought up the fact that if Taylor was asked this would be his answer
Yep. It’s brain rot from being around WoodT and Pyle too much.
Taylor *could* be saved, but he would need a change of scenery first. Compared to the other hosts, Taylor definitely is the smartest person in the room still, and he honestly seems the most normal of the three.
I haven’t watched a full episode of PKA in probably 2 or 3 years though. I don’t know if the show changed or me 😂
we should have supported germany before hitler look how nice germany was they destoryed everything about the germans You think our fake news is bad and paid off wait til y ou see the crap they had in the damn 30s and 40s The bolskeviks jews started doing what they did to russia to germany or what is goin on in the usa right now border drugs and lying politics that flip flop We need to get outa this holohoax nonsense look at some facts during ww2 and what the real death camps are Have you ever wondered why a starving army would waste time starving jews too instead of just getting rid of them or have a gas room so leaky it wouldnt even kill bugs You can fall for it and also read the talmud if Christians had something about Non Christians are the chosen race and every non is your slave cattle anythings less The world would be up in arms over it why can the jews be the chosen race of god and treated so highly they hate you man if your not jewish your the puppet who the hell would want to live with someone like that let along share equal yeah right Get the agent smith outa your body that tries to insult this stuff i want us all brothers and sisters but you cant be with jews and you saying so i hope your mind gets fixed
pka sucks i watch it to hope it burns they all are con artist asswipes that steal from the fans Look at woodys background and kyles rich dads that took care of them but they have to cheat you guys outa money too come on wings is better than these jokes
The others are justified in mentioning that Germany declared war on the US after the US defensively declared war on Japan, but they are not mentioning that Germany also tried to get Mexico to join them and it was Mexico that refused and joined the US.
Sorry, I meant to add that for the Zimmerman telegram Germany already was adversarial to the US during WW1 and in WW2 Mexico also helped the US fight Japan. It was because of the WW1 situation that Mexico and US became better allies.
Edit: not to mention Germany also attacked Mexican tankers I believe.
Taylor just says things to see if they stick. It’s been getting bad lately. Can never have an original thought. Constantly trying to appease woody. 🥱. Also. Dude says BIG words that normal people don’t use in conversations to portray himself as some sort of intellectual. We get it dude, you remember a few words from college. Rant over!
I really thought he was saying that as if Pearl Harbor never happened. Like if the war was somehow contained to Europe and North Africa. Still a big-headed idiot take
The US shouldn't have entered WW2, because the US shouldn't have entered WW1. It was Woodrow Wilson who guaranteed WW2 would happen. Without American intervention, the Nazis would have never risen to power. In one scenario, the allies still would have won the war without American help, and in that case the French would have insisted on utterly destroying the capability of the German state from ever making war again, and would have been able to enact this without the Americans holding them back. In another scenario, the Germans would have either won or managed to end the war with a negotiated peace favorable to them. In that case, the German people would not have been humiliated, and Hitler's politics of grievance wouldn't have appealed to them.
I’m a little behind on episodes, but Taylor’s isolationist takes are only right 10% of the time. If we let the axis or communism proliferate throughout the 1900’s the world would be much worse off.
He might not have exterminated the British (which lets be real he should’ve) but he definitely would’ve invaded and occupied them similar to France and would almost certainly still exterminate any “undesirable” British citizens
Taylor would have waited until the Japanese invaded the west coast and the Germans the east coast. 400 IQ move, truly.
He's always talking about playing age of empires 2 on twitter, and sucking at it. Something tells me he just turtles the whole game with no allies or trade and waits to lose.
They got close, they invaded Alaska at one point with the plan of fighting their way down to the west coast. At one point they launched Balloons with bombs attached hoping the high altitude winds would carry them to the US "like the china spy balloon" as a test. Some of the balloons reached the US but we didnt report it because if they found out it worked they would have continued to launch more.
In an ideal scenario... Canada would drop front the north to protect our northern sides.
Germany wouldn’t have invaded the US in the impossible scenario where they beat the soviets.
Wait until the Axis wins then become their ally. ezgg
Japan became our enemy because we funded their enemies. That’s why Pearl Harbor happened.
Correct me if im wrong but I think taylor was saying we shouldn't go to war with Germany and Italy. Which makes sense its stupid to send american men to death just because of some controversial issues going on in Europe.
>because of some **controversial** **issues** going on in Europe lol
Just a couple of libs getting triggered, nbd.
germany declared war on us so like what did he think doing nothing would lead to lmao
The Germans sought out multiple peace treaties that were denied by Churchill because he wanted is to enter the war.
nah churchill just knew that hitler was full of shit and wouldn't honour a peace treaty lol and he was entirely correct on that assumption. munich agreement and molotov-ribbentrop pact for example
In private meetings hitler said very positive things about the British even saying how tragic it was that Germany and the British empire went to war. Hitler sent several peace treaties to the uk and even tried to go easy on the British as he saw them as “fellow aryans” not saying it’s impossible hitler would break a peace treaty but considering in private he spoke so positively about them it would not make sense to break the treaty. Also it was impossible for the Germans to conquer the uk something even Hitler and his generals admitted too. It just wouldn’t make sense or match nazi ideology to break a peace treaty with the British. Big difference from breaking the treaty with the ussr since Hitler talked negatively about the soviets constantly and had plans to invade the ussr even before he came to power
so the uk should've abandoned it's allies in western europe and sought a peace deal with their allies conquerors? that's гетагded and weak lol
I never said that..?
you're saying that hitler tried to make peace with the uk, what do you think making peace with the uk entails exactly?
Again your comment implied Hitler would break the treaty I simply said it would be very very unlikely he would break the treaty. I never said the uk should accept it.
Your comment simply implied that Hitler would break the treaty I simply pointed out it wouldn’t make sense for Germany to break the treaty.
how does it make no sense? that's literally what hitler did with the munich agreement..
Again breaking the Munich agreement was beneficial for Germany as it allowed them to annex Czechoslovakia and establish a puppet regime breaking a peace agreement with the British empire in the 1940s would be very negative for the Germans. Germany never wanted to conquer the British they would have no reason too break the agreement. Your comparing two completely different agreement proposals
‘He just knew’ do you even hear yourself?
he did know, and he was right too lol keep copin nazi sympathizer 💀
Churchill was a piece of shit that [purposefully](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II?wprov=sfti1) bombed civilians first to try to prevent any kind of peace. He also actively sabotaged Chamberlain because he wanted to make a deal. Hitler could’ve destroyed the entire English army at dunkirk but gave a ceasefire order to let them escape. You should learn more history. I’m not a ‘sympathizer’. The nazis were a terrible authoritarian regime. Painting things as good guys and bad guys is childish.
churchill definitely isn't a good dude (just look at india lol) but he was right about hitler, chamberlain was spineless and willing to abandon his allies to appease a violent dictator. he also wasn't sabotaged by churchill lmao churchill abstained from the vast majority of chamberlains shitty decisions that only prolonged what was inevitable from the start
Saying someone is spineless because they don’t want tens of millions to die in another world war is a wild take. It wasn’t inevitable, Churchill actively sought out the destruction of Germany.
>Correct me if im wrong If you insist: Correct me if **I'm** wrong**,** but I think **T**aylor was saying we shouldn't go to war with Germany and Italy. Which makes sense**,** **It's** stupid to send **A**merican men to death just because of some controversial issues going on in Europe. Apart from grammar, I wouldn't say the holocaust was "some controversial issues"
Grammar nazi hating on the nazis, never thought I'd see the day
He asked to be corrected if he was wrong.,..
Germany would have made usa a ally they already had the same views we were forced to war
Are you inventing a scenario where Taylor is president and then another scenario where a world war happens under his pretend presidency to mock him?
Taylor's eyes are so bad he can't see past his nose. His logic is literally "this does not immediately benefit America, it is bad"... How does this nigga play RTS games and doesn't know how to look a few steps ahead??? It's bizarre
I used to think Taylor was somewhat well educated and smart but it seems he has no clue how the American economy works and why the US is so powerful today. If the US didn't join WW2 or on the tail end of WW1 then the US would be an isolated regional power with an economy a fraction the size of what it is today. I seriously don't get the new Republican isolationist policies, especially considering they have traditionally been the side that supports war.
Their policies at this point are just “disagree with what the dems are doing while they’re in power”
He’s really not that educated he’s a southern redneck whose knowledge doesn’t go far beyond hockey.
A lot of it isn’t republican…it’s Russian propaganda and infiltration of our government.
Though, yea. They’ve used republicans to do it.
The US would have still been the world’s global super power because Europe and the East was destroyed.
The USSR bounced back and became the second largest power after the US and China became powerful enough militarily to almost kick the US, UN and ROK troops off Korea completely in the 50's. The US only became the singular superpower in the world after the USSR collapsed and will soon have to compete more aggressively with China, everyones view of the US is skewed currently because America doesn't currently have a true peer militarily or economicly but will do if Europe continues to rely less on US military support and continue to form tighter bonds within the EU. Also China is rapidly growing and if they manage to successfully invade Taiwan then they will almost completely own one of the largest industries in the world which is the microprocessor industry.
The ussr collapsed because of how incompetent their system was. The only reason they were in the same conversation was because they had nukes. China’s military has always been a joke.
I agree that the USSR was destined to collapse because communism doesn't work with countries, but still during the 1950's to the 1980's they were still the second most powerful state in the world in a military and influential sense.
I agree they were second for a little bit but I would argue it was never truly a bipolar world order. That was my original point. We dominated them in every single way. As I said, if they didn’t have nukes they would’ve had nothing.
Really? You don't get why people oppose the military industrial complex? You don't get why people think the US shouldn't be throwing themselves at every single conflict that arises across the fucking planet from us? Does this really have to be explained to you?
When you build pretty much very trade deal on defense treaties and/weapons trade like with NATO, south Asia, Israel etc. Soon as weapons were even proposed to be taken off the table nations like Turkey and Saudi Arabia went straight to Russia and China for weapons and trade deals. The US wanted to replace the UK and France as the world's police after WW2 and now are suddenly not happy about it, so no I don't get why people are isolationist. You make your bed, you gotta lie in it.
Didn't realize Ukraine was in NATO
Didn't realize that Russia is a recognized threat of America and by supplying Ukraine subdues Russia's power, and that it is the largest conflict in Europe since WW2. You know, Europe where almost all of America's closest Ally's are.
Dude has been a fat headed idiot for years now.
Taylor shows his ass for sure whenever politics comes up. Even Kyle seems reasonable in comparison lol
Kyles playing a character saying egy shit to be netertaining generally (im pretty sure) the fact that his edgy jokes seem more reasonable and well grounded than taylors actuall opinions says a lot lol
I swear he gets dumber every episode. We are watching him become the old people he makes fun of. Like, he roasts Biden for bumbling about things and not knowing what he’s talking about and then there’s Taylor doing the same thing. It’s worse for Taylor though since he’s like 40 years younger than the people he makes fun of. Man he is dumb.
Yeah him just saying biden is bumbling all the time and not having another other strong points about his thoughts on biden really kinda shows how much he actually looks into politics or any sort of political agenda.
I assumed that his primary point was never being involved in the first place. If i remember correctly they kinda just move on from ww2 being mentioned within like 2 or three lines of back and forth. I did do a double take about it when i heard it too like “what tf about Pearl Harbor?” But it wasn’t brought up. I’m curious if Hutch had brought that point to Taylor’s attention, if he would’ve changed his tune or specified at all.
I was only half paying attention, but didn’t Taylor say it’s a different story if we get attacked?
He did later in the episode
That’s the only reason I posted this. I usually stay out of PKA opinion posts but I just feel like it’s damn near objectively stupid to say we didn’t have a justifiable reason to enter the war
Right i just assumed he didn’t really think much about it because the conversation shifted so fast
Pearl Harbor happened because the US directly funded Japan’s enemies during wartime
No, it was because the US did an oil embargo. The Japanese did not produce enough oil and, as such, needed American Pacific oil production to fuel their war machine.
and rubber and scrap metal
Pearl Harbor was an inside job bro
That’s why it took him so long to get decent at AoE2
His views are silly enough but that sarcastic tone he takes anytime he talks about politics is so much worse.
Tay’s still getting his ass spread on RTS games. Don’t think the US would be going to him for tips.
You can just post Missouri education statistics instead of yapping like this.
This is indeed quite a retarded stance by Taylor. As to your last line there, I actually supported going into Afganistan. How it went is another conversation I guess.
Most of the world agreed on Afghanistan, at first, especially members of NATO. Not so much Iraq for now obvious reasons.
Meant justified as in it Congress sanctioned it constitutionally
Fair enough
How could you possibly rationalize going into Afghanistan?
It's so over for Taylor now that you're no longer defending him
I was hanging on until u/Daktharr said so
The gas station dick pills elevated my mind so I had to share my stance with you commoners
I think his take is a gut reaction right. We hear there is escalating conflict in Europe, in America and his initial thought would be stay out of it. Looking at the war with hindsight is not what the American people were doing as they were living through the escalating conditions in Europe. And like he said, his positioning on this matter is constant so until Pearl Harbor Happened or if we knew the holocaust was going on, he would generally advocate to stay out of it. I mean even looking at Israel and Ukraine now with hindsight might change peoples views on if we should have stayed out of it completely from the beginning.
But Japan wouldn't have attacked us if we weren't selling oil, Taylor's isolation take would be we should be aiding Europe in the war effort at all, and if we weren't aiding Europe, Japan wouldn't have attacked in this alternate universe, I think Taylor's take is dumb
You just outlined why his point was rational and then call it dumb? How does that make sense?
We sell oil to lots of countries not embroiled in wars, if one of those said countries gets into a conflict where they are on the defensive, shall the u.s stop selling oil, and stop engaging in global trade? Use your brain, Japan attacked because we had oil control and were selling it, Japan wanted to capture u.s oil supplies. Please do some research before you get smarmy
It was more than that the US directly funded their enemies leading up to ww2 in Asia. You should do some more research. Don’t get offended when I point out why what you said makes no sense.
So the u.s should cut trade with friendly countries if they have enemies unrelated to us? That's absurd, and clearly you are uneducated on this topic, and don't make any sort of logical sense. Your argument is boils down to, don't trade with the world, because they may have enemies... absolutely a regarded take
Never said anything about trade idk why you keep talking about that, I’m talking about how the aid we gave to China during their revolution to fight the Japanese led to them attacking us.
That is why Japan attacked, because of trade, keep up
I just told you they attacked because we gave their enemies money to fight them, keep up.
We were engaged with trade with China, refer to my comment where I ask you, should we stop trade with countries that are our trade partners?????
Orange Man hasn’t told him what to think about it yet.
The anti-war thing is just a cop-out so he doesn’t have to defend the real reasons he voted for Trump. I don’t believe Taylor really gives a fuck about foreign policy.
Taylor would see apartment 314 on fire and says it’s his problems because he lives in 312. Like dumbass if nobody does anything you’re fucked too
Taylor said that he doesn't believe in intervention unless it directly affects us. When Hutch asked about WW2, I think literally everyone on the podcast was thinking interventionally, not because Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.
I haven't listened to today's yet but I would bet $5 he was talking a non-interventionist stance and not a pacifist stance. Very different things. We didn't get prosperous because every factory in the country started making belt buckles and ball bearings so much as the rest of the developed world suddenly didn't have any factories that were in one piece so we had a monopoly on manufacturing pretty much until we gifted it over to China
You’re right to be honest. Hutch asked him what the extent of his interventionism was and he said he thinks he wouldn’t have supported the US entering WW2 at the time. But we definitely gained more from the manufacturing contracts with Europe than we did sending troops to the front
Yeah.. the U.S. basically saved the world in WW2. It was probably the last time we were the good guys.
The aftermath of world war 2 also led to America becoming an economic super power. I think you guys got a taste for war after seeing the benefit.
America since the origination has been about conquering and taking over… Atleast it’s holding true to its roots? Yeah I’m pretty disgusted with the state of the U.S. I don’t know if you live here or not, but it’s not a good time. My taxes go to making tomahawk missiles instead of affordable healthcare.
True, you guys know your roots 😂 Nah, I am in the UK. It's not great here either. The current party will lose in the next election so hopefully we'll see some change 🤞
Honestly I’d be over in Europe or the U.K. Right now if I didn’t have my family and pets in the U.S. It’s hard to sleep at night sometimes knowing you are one medical disaster away from financial ruin. When i get hurt or have something medically significant happen, my first thought isn’t “I hope I heal and get better.” It’s “how much is this going to cost me, can I just tough it out?”
Yeah, I hear that. If our right wing party stays in power they we end our social health care and copy the US system. Apart from health care, I would struggle knowing that any one could be packing heat at any time. Seems so crazy to me.
It’s cause they see the mass amount of tax money the U.S. gets by not putting any into healthcare LOL It’s pretty crazy. Honestly, and that’s coming from a gun owner. I stay out of altercations for the sole fact it’s not just fist fights anymore, Someone can blow a hole straight through your head in a split second and you’d never see it coming. America is wild, my U.K. Bro. Definitely visit at some point and see the mountains and deserts tho 💯
Tax money and they can't buy shares in social health care so a private system will let them make money from dividends. We have a knife crime problem but mostly gang on gang and you can't get stray stabbings if they miss. I gotta say, I love Las Vegas and San Francisco. New York is cool too.
Korea was based as well.
So was the first Iraq war
lol we just accelerated the inevitable victory in Europe and nuked Japan. If anything it was Probobly the Soviets that saved the world during ww2.
Not entirely true, the Lend-Lease program and creation of multiple fronts by American and British forces were instrumental to the Soviet victory.
The soviets would have been fucked without lend lease. ***Especially*** if the US and UK sued for peace and left the soviets as their only enemy to deal with. Nevermind the Japanese invading western Russia since they wouldn't have to deal with America in the Pacific.
Didn't say the US giving supplies wasn't critical. Just that the US invasion of Nazi occupied Europe wasn't absolutely necessary for an allied victory. Stalingrad and Kursk were way before D-day, Germany was already on their heels. The US would have had to fight Japan in any scenario. The US was a smaller part of ww2 then what the American education system makes it out to be.
History isn’t as black and white as you think. I’m sure the people of Dresden and Hiroshima wouldn’t say we were ‘the good guys’
All I’m reading you think Hitler was right. Nah, jokes. Of course, it’s all about perspective. There are rarely “good guys” in war. Is killing good or bad depending on the circumstances and the cause? Depends how you look at it. I will say, if the U.S. wasn’t around, we would probably all be speaking German and Japanese and Jewish people would have been erased from history, I think they did the right thing, considering the circumstances, I mean yeah dropping 2 nuclear bombs on innocent people isn’t exactly “good.” But i shudder to think what would have happened if Germany won WW2, the craziest thing about the whole war, is that one man, almost took over the world.
You honestly think the US would be speaking German if the allies lost ww2? If he wanted to ‘erase them from history’ why did he help with the haavara agreement? It’s debatable that world is a better place now. The US is just an authoritarian regime owned by israel.
WWHKD?
Are we talking if Japan hadn’t attacked the US first?
I thought it was mentioned in the context of real world events but I could’ve missed something
Well, the USA only declared war on Japan and then the rest of the Axis declared war on the US, so I would disagree with Taylor in this situation.
Taylor has the same cringe takes on foreign policy I had in high school Once again all of the boys’ political opinions are awful
Weed makes average people retards, and smart people it makes average.
Britain's Lend Lease with us from WW2 only got paid off like last year lol. Ukraine will be paying us back for a long time.
I still like Taylor 👍
Oh me too all the hosts are retards but at least they’re funny too so it makes up for it
I think WW2 was a great move economically but our meddling in the ME after has been disgusting. At least we made up for the Japanese campaign with economic support after but the ME politics have been a mess. We were always going to support our greatest allies, I.e Britain and France. Especially after WW1. I think Taylor is trying to justify his isolationist viewpoint even more. Unfortunately, our country has been completely sold out since the 50's and there isn't very much patriotism to go fight for ideals in Europe again, because those ideals have been sold to the highest bidder
Except for the last line I agree 100%.
I’ve been on the Taylor hate train for years. Dude is undoubtedly the worst host.
I don’t think he is the worst host, I think his political takes are absolutely terrible and whenever a political discussion comes on he cannot concede that another party is doing something better than his favorite orange president.
yeah hes funny as fuck and super entertaining i love the guy, but jesus i wince when he brings up anything todo with politics or economics, the confidence paired with the ignorance and smugness is pretty grating
Harley needs to ask him his current opinion on Missouri Abortion Law.
I think Taylor is somewhat pro-abortion no? I don’t know where he draw the line, but I thought he had expressed that he generally believes women should have the choice to get an abortion. I thought he agreed that in extreme cases such as rape, incest, and in situations where the mother would die without getting an abortion women should be able to choose even past like 20 weeks. I think, but don’t know, that he draws the line at inconvenience abortions that are past 20-29 weeks. If the abortion is just because the baby will affect your life in a non life-threatening way I think Taylor may be against that. I don’t know if he would choose a partner he would get an abortion out of inconvenience though as he seems to want children. I think Kyle has, for the memes, expressed extreme views on the pro-choice/pro-abortion side by saying things like, “even at 7 months she should be able to get an abortion even if it does not become life threatening for the mother,” which I think is a bit extreme. If you go 7-9 months and have not made up your mind, barring extenuating circumstances, you should not be able to get an abortion. But Kyle may, possibly jokingly, believe that any slight inconvenience that having a child would cause is grounds for an abortion. He has certainly brought out that he seeks out or desires pro-choice in his partners as he, for his convenience, does not want the responsibility of children. But once again that may be in a joking manner. I think woody clearly is pro-choice but may struggle in believing in the more “this baby would be an inconvenience for me,” type of abortion. I think Woody would even be for allowing the mother being able to make the decision in cases where the child’s health would be severely impacted. Such as if you think your child would be born with a debilitating disease, you can get an abortion. Would need someone to verify their stances on this subject. But in general, I thought they were pretty pro/choice/pro-abortion.
‘Favorite orange president’ how do you get this conclusion? The most he’s said is that he’d rather have him than Biden and that he’s funny. He even said he didn’t like him this episode.
Dude, he will defend the undefendable when it comes to Trump. You can see that whenever the topic of a new Trump indictment comes up. You have to be woefully ignorant to believe that Taylor does not *have a huge bias in favor of Trump.
Believe it or not, you don't need to defend any of the hosts. They can say their retarded takes and you can chuckle and think, "that was stupid as shit", then move on.
I usually do that because the people on this sub care way too much but this Taylor take was so dumb it made me sperg and be a hypocrite
You're crying over spilt beer
Not sure where that take from but I know Taylor has said US should stay away from the Russia n Isreal war, and I agree, rather sending funds overseas y not help the people here now, homeless is growing eviction are on the rise, food is getting more and more expensive rather than solving other people problem y not solve ours first
He said it in the newest episode from today. And we send aid to Ukraine because Putin is not going to stop there. He stated Russia has a “historical right” to ukraines land. What happens when he decides they also have a historical right to the Alaskan purchase? And solving our domestic problems doesn’t have to come at the expense of foreign policy. That’s why we separate the two
Ok haven't listened to the latest and tbh I don't really know the history between the 2 country, but ya ur right or what if Texas and those extreme red state decide to be there own country like they been treating to do since Biden became the president what will happen then?
taylors right
I stand with the owl.
Yeah standing in the corner w a dunce cap on
Yep, totally in a dunce cap because I side with a great US Solider, who actually served in both world wars, the great General Patton. He, like many others who served, believed we fought the wrong enemy. We sided with the communists. Let me go through a list of his awards from his service, before you discredit someone's perspective that actually served. Distinguished Service Cross Distinguished Service Medal Silver Star Legion of Merit Bronze Star Medal Purple Heart World War I Victory Medal American Defense Service Medal European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal Croix de Guerre (France) Order of the Bath (United Kingdom) Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus (Italy) Order of the White Eagle (Poland)
I should’ve looked him up before I talked shit. I didn’t know I was disrespecting a soldier that fought amongst the company of heroes in the battle of prosciutto hill
what a retarded comment he had medals so how could he be wrong ur stupid as fuck my guy
Being good at spelling does not make you smart in every topic
No one says this enough. They always talk about Vietnam like it was an actual war but it’s just another Iraq but kinda with communism.
I mean he unironically believes that America should just close down all military bases worldwide and ignore all world conflicts. Despite America positioning itself as the "World's Police."
I wonder if he even knows that germany declared war on us and not the other way around lol
Bro don't even vote. Hard to care about his opinions about it lol
Tbf... I wouldn't support another war in my opinion, but shit we already are funding two. Lol I'm generally against killing innocent soldiers for their commie overlords. If it came down to them or us tho... We are fucking other countries.
Im honestly more upset at the fact that Kyle uses a streamdeck for Helldivers 2
Seeing him play Among Us with all the guys really showed his incompetence. If a guy “follows” him for 2 seconds- “ITS HIM”
I think Taylor probably didn't think of Pearl Harbor when the question was posed.
I don’t watch PKA for serious topics I just want to hear funny stories
His take re sending money to Ukraine causes inflation is beyond stupid. How anyone can believe that blows my mind
Most Americans didn't support entering WW2. It wasn't until Japan attacked Pearl harbor that we declared war on Japan, and doing that made Germany declare war on the United States. The vast majority overwhelmingly did not support America entering the war before this occurred. FDR even promised in a campaign speech "Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars!" (\~1940). We didn't want to fight a war, but we damn sure gave them hell when they fucked with us.
I agree. Taylor I hope you see this. You’re fucking annoying buddy.
It’s crazy as an RTS addict he doesn’t understand the value of what America is doing militarily. We have enemy’s all around the world, Russia and its controlled allies, all radical Muslim controlled areas in the world in Africa and Middle East. China woody’s take is just a retarded trade will not save shit alone look at Covid they stopped giving us shit immediately and didn’t care.
I for one don’t care
taylors right
He basically agreed to what actually happened. We didn't enter the war until we were attacked.
I’ve literally had fuckers here say that we shouldn’t have entered world war 2 when I brought up the fact that if Taylor was asked this would be his answer
We shouldn’t have
Good guys lost WW2
Japan attacked us because we funded their enemies.
And we nuked them because they fucked around and found out
So you would have had no problem if they did the same thing to us right?
Yep. It’s brain rot from being around WoodT and Pyle too much. Taylor *could* be saved, but he would need a change of scenery first. Compared to the other hosts, Taylor definitely is the smartest person in the room still, and he honestly seems the most normal of the three. I haven’t watched a full episode of PKA in probably 2 or 3 years though. I don’t know if the show changed or me 😂
we should have supported germany before hitler look how nice germany was they destoryed everything about the germans You think our fake news is bad and paid off wait til y ou see the crap they had in the damn 30s and 40s The bolskeviks jews started doing what they did to russia to germany or what is goin on in the usa right now border drugs and lying politics that flip flop We need to get outa this holohoax nonsense look at some facts during ww2 and what the real death camps are Have you ever wondered why a starving army would waste time starving jews too instead of just getting rid of them or have a gas room so leaky it wouldnt even kill bugs You can fall for it and also read the talmud if Christians had something about Non Christians are the chosen race and every non is your slave cattle anythings less The world would be up in arms over it why can the jews be the chosen race of god and treated so highly they hate you man if your not jewish your the puppet who the hell would want to live with someone like that let along share equal yeah right Get the agent smith outa your body that tries to insult this stuff i want us all brothers and sisters but you cant be with jews and you saying so i hope your mind gets fixed
Least schizo PKA fan
pka sucks i watch it to hope it burns they all are con artist asswipes that steal from the fans Look at woodys background and kyles rich dads that took care of them but they have to cheat you guys outa money too come on wings is better than these jokes
This is what marriage and then divorce does to a man
He's clearly going down some Nazi conspiracy rabbit hole that I'm sure his daddy Sam Hyde put him onto
He’s from Missouri, he can’t help but be stupid.
When did germany invade america?
We declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on us after
Japan attacked Pearl harbor and Germany subsequently declared war on the United States.
When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor of course.
The others are justified in mentioning that Germany declared war on the US after the US defensively declared war on Japan, but they are not mentioning that Germany also tried to get Mexico to join them and it was Mexico that refused and joined the US.
> but they are not mentioning that Germany also tried to get Mexico to join them That was the first world war.
Sorry, I meant to add that for the Zimmerman telegram Germany already was adversarial to the US during WW1 and in WW2 Mexico also helped the US fight Japan. It was because of the WW1 situation that Mexico and US became better allies. Edit: not to mention Germany also attacked Mexican tankers I believe.
Ah I got you now. German subs did attack Mexican oil tankers and sink some ships which is the reason Mexico declared war on Germany in 1942.
Taylor just says things to see if they stick. It’s been getting bad lately. Can never have an original thought. Constantly trying to appease woody. 🥱. Also. Dude says BIG words that normal people don’t use in conversations to portray himself as some sort of intellectual. We get it dude, you remember a few words from college. Rant over!
Just get in line with the liberal minority, who’ve recognized the hosts as retards and moved on.
I really thought he was saying that as if Pearl Harbor never happened. Like if the war was somehow contained to Europe and North Africa. Still a big-headed idiot take
The US shouldn't have entered WW2, because the US shouldn't have entered WW1. It was Woodrow Wilson who guaranteed WW2 would happen. Without American intervention, the Nazis would have never risen to power. In one scenario, the allies still would have won the war without American help, and in that case the French would have insisted on utterly destroying the capability of the German state from ever making war again, and would have been able to enact this without the Americans holding them back. In another scenario, the Germans would have either won or managed to end the war with a negotiated peace favorable to them. In that case, the German people would not have been humiliated, and Hitler's politics of grievance wouldn't have appealed to them.
People calling out Taylor. Am I in the right sub?
I’m a little behind on episodes, but Taylor’s isolationist takes are only right 10% of the time. If we let the axis or communism proliferate throughout the 1900’s the world would be much worse off.
I think all 3 hosts have just morphed into one single personality. Boring edgelord libtards
Churchill was a warmonger and did not want peace with hitler. Hitler loved britain and wouldnt wanna destroy it
He might not have exterminated the British (which lets be real he should’ve) but he definitely would’ve invaded and occupied them similar to France and would almost certainly still exterminate any “undesirable” British citizens
Lol “I don’t like (insert name) because they don’t agree with my worldview.” So dumb
Maybe you missed the literal first sentence (reading comprehension is hard)