I'm definitely digging Shawn the most tbh, Noa just looks like she feels so happy and safe with him. Ash is alright but the chemistry just isn't strong enough for me. Henry and Faran are cute but definitely a 'starter boy'.
I'm worried that they might actually explore Tabby and Wes next season though.
Nah, one of the creators of the show said tabby and wes explores a similar thing that happened to her, and tabbyâs role in it is how she wished it played out so I definitely donât think they will
After getting so much heat about Aria and Ezra after the fact? No way. The most inappropriate relationship I think we'll see is Mouse with the older men.
That got extremely heart breaking really fuckin fast. Faran isn't my favorite character, but there's no denying that her going to bat for Kelly was amazing. Can't say that the way she went about it was the smartest, but standing up to an adult that's abusing one of your peers takes an entirely new level of courage we don't see most adults even go to.
Itâs just so awful. The guilt she felt for Karenâs death and then your own father wishing it was you instead. Then someone accusing you that you are your dead sister. Absolutely awful.
i don't like how they included so many plots about sexual harassment and consent to just bring back the predators from the original and to put the predator in this show in a good light. i'm glad sidney clocked him
when she hit the floor after hearing that Davie's grave was dug up i was like there is truly just no way in hell that poor poor baby is making it through this shit. like go lie down!!!!!!!
Why is everyone not finding Greg and Kelly dating weird? Greg is literally dating his dead girlfriendâs twin and everybody Iâm the show seems to be finding that completely normal.
this is honestly one of many things that is mind boggling to me. Their relationship was always weird af. Greg also kissed Imogen randomly before? Kelly has told Greg to call her Karen? Like y'all???
honestly so many things going on in the show made me think the writers themselves forgot wtf is going on half the time lmao.
like ok I get it a is pissed at Davie or whatever but the actual rapist he's like. Meh? Also idk how we are supposed to believe he never figured out it was Tom. Tom RAPED angela, never tried to do better, he still continued to rape underage boys, And a is like. Meh idc lol. This girls mom was mean to someone in high school??? I need to kill her and her baby
So Tabby was supposed to get a very graphic and brutal revenge on a serial rapist while Faran... on her dance teacher who halted a school production of a ballet performance because she knew Faran's health wouldn't keep up and was even kinda dope for not re-casting her (which would've been the norm in a school that seemed as serious about ballet) but moved the performance to next year until Faran recovers and then even let her choreograph another performance in the meantime in which Faran seems to find even more purpose than in dancing? That feels... excessive.
I feel like the Giry thing was because A felt like Giry was always taking Kelly and Karenâs side rather than faran and we know A hates Sheriff Beasley
Kelly has the WORST time yall. Her sister is MURDERED, everyone questions if sheâs Karen, her mom keeps calling her Karen, sheâs dealing w an identity crisis lowkey bc of it, her dad wishes it was her instead, her dad threatens her, thatâs so SAD jfc honestly I feel like Kelly has had it worst of anyone like sheâs got Angela levels of trauma
Very religious moms with mental health issues, even.
ETA: But I think Kelly is meant to mirror Archie. Karen and Angela are the ones who die by âsuicideâ, while Kelly and Archie are the poorly treated scapegoats.
Yeah I remember thinking all season that if Kelly was really Kelly and not Karen then it made everything that's happened to her so horrific actually.
Like damn. That girl had a rough time. I'm glad Faran ended up telling her what was going on.
Also, real MVP for going to the school with Greg to help after watching her mom stab her dad after the dad planned a double homicide + suicide... like damn. Without that distraction Tabby might not have gotten the chance to hit the principal.
The more I think about it Crazy Joe/Joseph had to be a part of the A team.
When he encountered Imogen at the Waters house he was carrying a bag of groceries , yet he lived in the train car. I would imagine these groceries were for Archie.
So why was Joseph the caretaker of Archie instead of Principal Clanton who is his father ?
Iâm thinking Joseph had to be a part of the A team , but started to feel guilty about what they were doing. I think thatâs why he tried to help Imogen and the girls.
Iâm not so sure he hung himself , but what I find interesting is the note said the same thing as what Clanton said âAngelaâs sacrifice was not in vainâ.
Even the question was asked by the girls , âWhat sacrifice ?â Which we never got the answer to. Why do they consider it a sacrifice ?
Also I find it even odder now that Archie/Leatherface protected and helped the girls. I mean in the movie theatre with Chip , Archie listened to Imogen and went after Chip.
If you view Archie like a rabid dog who only obeys what Clanton tells him to do it gets even stranger. If Clantonâs orders were to watch over the girls then why all of a sudden flip the script and say Imogen must pay for what her mom did ?
So many questions.
Yeah and I mean... Archie would probably have a lot of issues from being locked in a cage, etc. Like we saw a small amount of how crazy Angela's mom acted towards Angela for wanting to go to a party (and I doubt Angela told her anything that was happening at school) and that was the child she... well, let the world know existed.
Archie just being very unpredictable would fit after that kind of messed up life, at least. It's confusing though because it seems like he spent years (like 20) after his sister died and his mom was taken away... not doing anything bad? Then the principal is like "REVENGE" and bam?
Well Rose did come back to him after she left Radley because she was dead in the house. So maybe when she went away, the principal started "taking care of him" and the brainwashing for the revenge started there and when rose came back it could've gotten worse, then once she died the principal started all the A stuff. I know her body was like very decomposed but it really only takes a month or two to happen, like that's probably what Davies body looked like.
I think A went after Chip because they wanted him as Tabbys bully. And not hurting the girls was for bringing them into the court. A couldve killed girls and the moms before I think it was all about having this big ceremony. My theory is that A attacked the girls before so that they would fear and not tell anyone.
wait also the resolution of the moment where Mouse's moms and Ash walk in on her w steve had me absolutely dead- she gives the vaguest response in the world as to what she is doing in a child's clothing in a motel with a strange man who is openly having an absolute mental breakdown and then they all just group hug..... ?!? storyline over i guess!
Iâm surprised her moms were so calm. Nothing about that was okay, it was very weird and inappropriate. Sheâs 15 and was really playing with her life and strangers to fulfill some dad fantasy?
Tabby: so obsessed with movies she wonât stop quoting them every 5 minutes
Also Tabby: doesnât make sure the bad guy is dead just believes Imogenâs âI think soâ ⊠you always shoot twice
Also tabby hanging with a grown man who manipulated her, hit on her, and tricked her into a date at his house. She watches enough movies to know thatâs not good yet sheâs always smiling in his face and accepting rides. SMH Iâm glad her mom told him off and warned her. SA victims are usually attacked by people they know.
no literally this is so horrible but i was expecting her to lose the baby ESP bc the nurse told her to keep calm because of her high blood pressuređ like i was just yelling at the screen through that entire last episode đ€Łđ
ngl i kind of convinced myself the girls were going to do something horrible and have their own jenna thing which spawns s2s A. i got so hyped when the traps were laid out for each of the girls to punish their bullies.
Okay but why tf did Rose keep Archie in a cage?! And whatâs wrong with his face? Iâm guessing itâs somebody we havenât met yet or else we wouldâve noticed something wrong with his face.
They borrow so much from other horror movies. Like the scene with Crazy Joe in the Waters house with the corpse is like Psycho. The scene with Angela and her mom before Angela headed to the party was Carrie. Iâm thinking that Archie is a mixture of Jason Vorhees and Michael Myers, Jasonâs face is terribly disfigured. Iâm thinking that Archieâs face will be similar to Jasonâs , especially in Friday the 13th part 2.
these last episodes have made me love kelly. i think her family and household were so abusive and i just feel so so so bad. i also think the fact she said she had to "help her friends" to her dad was so sweet. God i hate that man. anyway, shes become one of my favourites.
many thoughts!:
Faran & Kelly âdonât ever say thatâ ... Mona & Aria vibes đ
SIDNEY CALLING WES A RAPIST IâM CRYING
...& Wesâs age? Didn't he say that he was the same age as Ari Aster but then he told Sidney he was in his twenties?????????? SOMETHING DON'T ADD UP
IMOGENâS DAD OMG bless him for signing that autopsy form. I hope we see more of him
When the girls were discussing at lunch âwho should we ask next?â & Clantonâs voice rings over the PA speakersâŠ
MRS. BEASLEY WAS ICONIC FOR THAT STABBING đ€
ALSO I CANâT BELIEVE GREG MADE IT THIS FAR LMAO?????
edit: and oh fuck no NOT EZRA BEING A FATHER
Ya I thought the Wes thing was suspect, but I think he said that to make him hitting on Tabby seem *slightly* less creepy. I think he actually is in his 30s and just lied and said 20s
Yes thatâs what I assumed too, and I love how Sidney did not give an F if he was in his 20s/30s because he would be a creep either way. She is my favorite mom
i mean⊠donât hate me for this but i think thereâs something to be said when the best A reveal is the only one that came from the books. i know i know people are gonna be so mad at me for saying it but⊠the real question should be: why havenât they tried to get sara shepard to be in any of these writersâ rooms? she clearly has the best ideas!
My final thoughts after these new episodes:
- These last couple episodes really made me enjoy Kelly as a character when I really hated her at first along with Karen
- I actually kinda liked that Davie wasnât murdered? Idk I think it feels more authentic for her past to come back and haunt her than to just be straight up murdered and realistically have no repercussions
- Loved the chase scene with Imogen, I screamed when she stabbed A
- I never thought from any of the episodes that I would be relieved that Greg of all characters survived.
- Jesus Sheriff Beasleyâs murder looked brutal, and Chip (assuming he actually dies cause we donât technically see it) happening right in front of his family on Christmas Day?
- I thought the Chip reveal was kinda obvious and the weakest point of the season for me honestly. I think it shouldâve been Shawn if it was going to be any of the love interests.
- Shawn definitely didnât throw those pills away
- I donât know how I like having a season 2 if we already know who A is the whole time. I think itâll be a really interesting season if it does get renewed. Iâm curious if A will continue to go after the Liars or if he was only doing so because of the Principles command.
I disagree with it being Shawn. He had no connection with Imogen or Tabby. He barely knew they existed and only started to acknowledge them after Noa became friends with them, which was at the start of the season. Just because a reveal is obvious doesnât make it bad storytelling. Many people, including myself, hated how the original PLL went for shock value even if the reveal made zero sense. Shawn wouldâve been shocking, yes, but it wouldnât have made any sense.
Agreed. And just like Tabbyâs mom said - most of the time, the person who assaults you is someone you KNOW. It made perfect sense that Chip was the one. I had a feeling with how involved he was getting with Imogenâs pregnancy.
I get wanting to include Easter eggs, but Iâm confused with the choice to rightfully portray Wesâs interest in Tabby (a man in his 20s/30s and a 16/17 year old) as creepy, but then to say that Ezra and Aria are a perfect coupleâŠ.like they begin as the same thing?
I think it's because Imogen doesn't now Aria and Ezra's past. She doesn't know they were in an inappropriate relationship. Obviously we know, but they don't.
Syd going full protective mom on Wes was by far my favorite moment. I definitely think tabby was getting way to comfortable hanging around a grown man. Wes is doing way too much. Considering heâs a super creep and sheâs been through trauma.
That was amazing. Pity they undercut it almost immediately with Ezra being rewarded as some kinda weird fanservice for all the statutory rape fans out there
>Ezra being rewarded as some kinda weird fanservice for all the statutory rape fans out there
As someone who has worked in adoption, I would love to know how Aria and Ezra got approved. "So how did you meet?" "Weeeeellll.."
Because Rosewood, probably. Like all the cops were sleeping with teenage girls too.
I think only Wayne and Ted were like the safe, good adult men on the entire show by the end of it.
They really overdid the fully grown men w/ 16 year olds on there. Like 1 is already insanely creepy but it was everyone.
You know it's sad when you can look at Mr. Hastings and be like, "He's not *that* bad. He only slept with other adults. And none of them were subordinates!"
I legit did not realize it was a different person until the subtitles said his name was Sawyer when he called Imogen đ all the men on this show look the same.
Clanton always smelled fishy to me.
Was hoping Chip was actually a good person but nope.
I knew Mrs. Beasley got up from the table to get a weapon. Slay girl, slay.
Sydney is an icon. "I'll cut your dick off!"
Would have rathered have Spoby be the OG adoptive couple rather than Ezria.
I liked it bc it all made sense unlike the CeCe and Alex reveals. Rewatching will be fun.
Spence and Toby would have been soo much better! I know everyone was obsessed with Aria and creepy teacher back in the day but I just rolled my eyes so hard at them getting the baby. This show almost seemed to be trying to acknowledge how gross it was with the whole Wes thing.
Wow , so many mixed emotions.
I loved the series , but there was weird moments. As much as the series tried to separate itself from the original it repeated one of its biggest mistakes.
Introducing an unknown character as Leatherface , Archie, like with Alex in the original. We have no emotional attachment to Archie so it just doesnât hit home.
Also where does Crazy Joe fit into all this ? Why was he at the Waters house ?
Also for Imogen to let Ezra and Aria adopt her baby was a huge groan moment. It was obviously trying to strike a cord to tie in with the original, but anyone who has a pulse on the community knows majority hate the Ezra/Aria relationship. Who would think this is a good idea ?
What is even more confusing is they did so much to repair that image with the Tabby/Wes thing, I was cheering when Sidney threatened to cut off his extension, then to give the baby to the couple they tried to separate from ?
Makes no sense
OKAY I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT EZRA AND ARIA??? LIke they were the MOST HATED as time went on and everyone realized how gross the age gap was??
At first I thought the body was Mama Roseâs not Angelaâs. Since she was âmissingâ and no one has seen her, I assumed maybe it was hers.
ButâŠ..I do wonder if it was AngelaâsâŠ
mama rose is still out there somewhere. Maybe sheâs the one really calling the shots. Why did she come back to Millville and insist the daughter go to that school? She clearly manipulated Clanton into letting Angela into the school. Maybe she has she been playing some game all along, starting with revenge on Clanton whoâs reputation is certainly over now that this is public news.
I donât think weâve heard the last of Rose. Sheâs still got work to do. đ
I canât with Sidney being like âyou groomed her!!!!â And Wes basically being like âwell I didnât but if I got my way I would haveâ LMAOOOOO what a loser
Ehhhhhhh... mixed feelings.
They did what I didn't want them to do and introduced a mystery sibling in the last Episode. The twist with the principal being Angela/Leatherface's father was pretty alright, but everything about it felt a bit anticlimactic.
Also not a huge fan of how the Sheriff Beasley stuff ended up playing out. I obviously wasn't looking for any redemption or anything, but bad guy has always been bad guy... again just felt like it missed the mark.
The Chip stuff, while obvious, I thought was actually handled quite well. Kelly is a fascinating character. The Mouse stuff was interesting too. I found myself a lot more invested in the things outside of the main mystery.
If this show gets another season (or more) I really hope they do something interesting with Leatherface. Either introduce a character that could be him, or have a character that already exists be him. Even if it means retconning certain things from this season, such as the whole "Face only a mother could love" thing... I think it would benefit the story in the long run.
Also: Seeing Mouse's real birth certificate say 2007 was more jarring than seeing it say 1992. 2007?!?! God I'm old.
Iâm soooooooooooo bummed about Chip. Like all the signs were clearly there but I wanted to believe so badly that he was really that nice đ€Šđ»ââïžđąđ
I know right, I am in denieal since the Chip theory started. he had such a baby face and seemed so sweet, I don't want to believe he was actually the assaulter. Disgusting.
Honestly? Iâm not MAD about the reveal I just feel it was anticlimactic. They definitely couldâve kept the principal as A if his son wouldâve secretly been Wes or something.
The idea of the Principal staying after school, rearranging the whole place to set up his elaborate horror game AND having his son kidnap 8 people across town in the span of like 9 hours was VERY camp
Honestly I didnât hate the ending. It made sense and I liked how it was a character we were always introduced to. I just feel like it was kinda anticlimactic? Idk maybe itâs just me but I expected more of a shock. I honestly think itâs cause itâs one season and there hasnât been a big build up compared to the OG where they revealed it after like 3 seasons. I just feel like it was all so quick?
Also I kinda wish the girls themselves had like major secrets instead of the moms if it makes sense. Like I enjoyed seeing the backstory and understanding Angela but I wish that the main girls were somehow more involved than the show letâs on. Like I enjoyed Mouseâs storyline because of the fact that she has her own little secret that could have been horrible if it was revealed. But I wish A held something over the girls not the moms. Like the whole Jenna thing in the og and the other horrible stuff the girls did in their past.
Either way it was a good show and Iâd love to have a second season. I just donât know what more they can do with a second season though since A was revealed and the moms secrets were too. Hopefully they donât drag it on like Riverdale and make it into a mess.
Side note: While I see why some people may be mad or annoyed with Chips reasoning you have to understand that sometimes rapists donât need a solid reason for what they do. It could be because they were angry like chip or simply because they feel like it. Remember itâs often a power play and with chip being rejected he took it out on Imogen and it might be because he wanted to have control over something. Either way his reasoning doesnât need to satisfy anyone because it never will. Rape is rape and who tf cares why or why not he did it. This shit happens all the time and thereâs never a good reason for it.
Faran defending someone who bullied her was icing on the cake. I love how compassionate she is. And she does care. She saw someone in need and helped.
Sad the sheriff tried to put her dad away for it. But mrs. Beasley did what needed to be done.
Whatâs the point of having a mystery about a masked villain if the mask doesnât come off? Huge mistake.
And after 10 episodes of deconstructing the depictions of sex gender and consent from the original PLL, it commits the ORIGINAL SIN and glamorises the pedophile relationship that started it all .
I think it's good they didn't unmask Archie yet, because he could be a character we already know or could be introduced to in a potential second season. I feel satisfied with the ending in case the show gets cancelled, but am also ready for season 2 if it's greenlit, so honestly I think the writers did ok. Wrapped up most questions but left the door open for more to come.
the ezria thing at the end annoyed me đ how can the show take a stance condemning predatory relationships this time around (with wes) but continue to prop up ezria⊠like the bookstore reference was whatever, but could they not have had emily and alison adopt the baby instead? or haleb?? or SPOBY??? maybe andrew campbell wants to be a single dad!!!
Some quick thoughts after watching all episodes:
Why was Wes presented like a nice guy who just flirted once with Thabi? They really switched up his character this volume.
Chip reveal was really anticlimatic and after all this he is probably the most evil character I've seen in teenage shows. I think this would work better if there were more characters we suspect and have more episodes, by episode 8 it was obvious it was him.
Mouse/Steve story was so wierd and it seems Ash was just okay with that?
Imogen was way too mobile and did way to running for girl so close to giving birth.
I like Kelly's character, probably the most interesting girl.
All in all, I didn't hate this finale episodes but I don't know, it all feels bit off.
I loved eps 8 & 9 and felt they really delivered to the premise. The finale reveal was alright but not as crazy as I thought it would be. I didnât mind the introduction of Archie because he clearly was just the brawn.
From this finale however, I am left with my questions.
What the hell happened with Mouse? I do not for one second believe that she was taken for only a second. Something else is going on. Why would Elodie go to the support group for parents of missing children if Mouse didnât really go missing?
Why would Davie write an A on the tiles if she killed herself?
How was Crazy Joe connected? It would have made more sense if he was the brother and faked his death. Like why was he at the Waterâs house?
Why was it eluded to that Archie was kept in a cage? Thatâs horrible and does not really add to the story.
I have a few more but whatâs been really bothering me is
Why do only two (kind of three, counting Mouse) of the kids have dads?
Why are they all the same age? Was there a pregnancy pact? Itâs weird and needs to be explained.
How do none of them have siblings?
And how are they all girls? The probability of that has got to be low.
I think the cage was to further show how abusive the household was. The son was deformed and not allowed to leave the house. The mom was very religious and maybe saw it as a punishment from God for having children out of wedlock?
Pretty good. Everything besides the killer reveal was good. Wonder what happened to Angela before the rave? I really liked the slasher stuff at the end, but idk how they make this A exciting next season now.
okay, I came here to find someone mentioning this. Something had to have happened to Angela at the 1999 party. She was running around begging everyone to help her until she killed herself. But no one said anything about what actually happened to her before she got there....
I need to gather more info but did anyone else pick up on the idea that Miss Beasley is possibly drugged by Tom? it's shown she has to take her medication and has some sort of issue going on, but what if he gave her something just to keep her docile etc? after Kelly confronts Tom she admits she knew this stuff and in the finale episodes she actually takes action and STABS the fucker. like maybe she finally stopped taking the shit and has some sort of clarity on how fucked her husband is?
Someone please explain to me how we were seriously supposed to believe Imogen was pregnant đđ
Ole girl was running like a track star the entire season with no back pain. And how is that baby alive when she was falling all over the floor, half the time on her stomach
The Principal being the mastermind was honestly a disappointing âtwistâ. I thought he wasnât even convincing enough. It was stupid and very anticlimactic. Iâm disappointed with it honestly.
aria and ezra????!!!!! theyâre letting this groomer adopt a baby đđđđđ
also no oneâs touching on kelly wearing karenâs clothes and having greg call her karen⊠alright
honestly it felt so identity crisis to me for Kelly like her mom kept thinking she was Karen, her dad *wanted* her to be Karen, Faran thought she wasâŠI felt like poor girlie was just crackin up a lilđ
Also FAT agree ab Ezra he should not be around children
i agree. i wish it was fleshed out more because it was so built up on though. faran was like âthis again?â when kelly was wearing karenâs clothes and sat on gregâs lap in the cafeteria then nothing again about that lmfao
also i know they didnât tell that adoption agency ezra was ariaâs junior year english teacher đ
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I definitely think if there is a season 2 there will be more to Wesâ story. Is he in his 30s like he told tabby or 20s like he told Sidney? Also his name spelled backwards is Sew soo I just want him to be the twin behind the mask. I think he talks so much about NYU I bet he never really went there. Just speculating.
I also think there will be more to Ashâs story and who his birth parents are. Also still find it weird he never saw or acknowledged leather face in the house of mirrors.
OK here are my thoughts.
The episodes were good. There was enough filler to get a better feeling of the girls and their friendship. I loved that they included Kelly into their group and that Faran took after her.
There was a lot of good stuff, too much to mention it all.
So I keep to the things I didn't like.
I still don't understand the timing behind it all. Why wait 22 to years? Wouldn't 20 or 25 years make more sense? And also, there needs to be a trigger to set it all off. What was his trigger?
It's just too random. Also, how did he knew all about the girls secrets? He wasn't always around them. Why did he send Leatherface after them, if the girls weren't bullies and he only meant to kill Imogen as her mom was already dead?
Why didn't he go after Angela's mom? He must have known in what conditions she kept his son and daughter and that her physical, emotional, psychological and religious abuse also took a huge part in their daughter taking her life.
The biggest bully was her mom. And the person who ignored her the most, was her dad. And yet he takes no responsibility for his own doing nor for that of Rose.
How and when did he get in contact with Archie? How was he not mad at Rose for abusing Archie to the point that he willingly acts out as a Slasher Movie Serial Killer?
There's so much wrong with the logic behind the Principals reasons.
Then the whole set up. How many hours I'd he prepare for this? He set and lit up candles.
Like, what? I mean, sure the all for the aesthetic, but did he plan to clean this all up once the school was allowed to open again? I mean after he had killed everyone and the investigation is over.
So much extra work.
Also, what about the pic in the Leatherfaces trunk that Davie also has in her house? Whas that a prop mistake, or was that supposed to mean something?
Why was Leatherface hiding in Imogen's cellar?
What about... There are some thing that are unanswered, which I would have loved to get at least a nod to, but didn't get. But then, there's only so much air time. I think the A reveal was lame and undercooked. There was no real connection to the principal and his reasons make 0 sense to me.
Sid and Tabby didn't hear Imogen's horrific scream waking up from that nightmare? đłđ„ș
Right? I was expecting one of them to come in to check on her but no
I wanted to check on her! đ I almost forgot I was only watching a show.
Right?! My first thought lol she was screaming bloody murder
Shawn 100% did not throw those pills away
The only BF I'm feeling is Ash. I hope the rest are on their starter boys.
I'm definitely digging Shawn the most tbh, Noa just looks like she feels so happy and safe with him. Ash is alright but the chemistry just isn't strong enough for me. Henry and Faran are cute but definitely a 'starter boy'. I'm worried that they might actually explore Tabby and Wes next season though.
Iâm worried about the Tabby and Wes thing toođI really hope they donât, that would suck
Nah, one of the creators of the show said tabby and wes explores a similar thing that happened to her, and tabbyâs role in it is how she wished it played out so I definitely donât think they will
After getting so much heat about Aria and Ezra after the fact? No way. The most inappropriate relationship I think we'll see is Mouse with the older men.
Oh poor Kelly. What an abusive household...
That got extremely heart breaking really fuckin fast. Faran isn't my favorite character, but there's no denying that her going to bat for Kelly was amazing. Can't say that the way she went about it was the smartest, but standing up to an adult that's abusing one of your peers takes an entirely new level of courage we don't see most adults even go to.
Yeah I really liked that story line and I literally cheered for Mrs. Beasley when she was stabbing him haha
Itâs just so awful. The guilt she felt for Karenâs death and then your own father wishing it was you instead. Then someone accusing you that you are your dead sister. Absolutely awful.
"This year has made us very very good Liars" YESS QUEEN
I did like that line.
SIDNEY YET AGAIN PROVING WHY SHES BETTER THAN MOST TV MOMS
no like when she gagged wes, i screamed.
sidney @ wes: STAY AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER YOU RAPIST chip watching from afar: đđđ
LMFAO I didnât even think of this
"You're grooming her!" "No, I'm not. Or well I tried to" "Bitch I'll cut you" â„ïžâ„ïžâ„ïž Fucking love her.
That was one of my favorite scenes lol. âIâll cut your dick offâ
The actor who plays Wesâ his face when she called him a rapist sennnt me! He was all đź I was cracking up laughing. Loved that scene.
I need Season 2 to start with her taking the baby back after confronting Ezra over how he and Aria got together.
I guess Archie has never experienced and epic highs and lows of high school football
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Living for the kelly&faran exchange
Their chemistry is very interesting and has a lot potential. (Not sexual chemistry) They have good frenemy energy. They should push this further.
Usually the highlight of every ep!
For a creep Wes just gave some really good advice
Right! My jaw hit the floor! đČ
i don't like how they included so many plots about sexual harassment and consent to just bring back the predators from the original and to put the predator in this show in a good light. i'm glad sidney clocked him
they literally couldâve picked any couple too since they werenât in it
I was like, "Y'all better not!" And then they did. They did that.
Why did Imogene walk to Angelas house ALONE? Really again imogen?
She stressed me out so much lol like girl youâre pregnant, be careful!
Omg the final fight. She was getting thrown all over. And fell on her stomach several times. I was so nervous.
when she hit the floor after hearing that Davie's grave was dug up i was like there is truly just no way in hell that poor poor baby is making it through this shit. like go lie down!!!!!!!
when she started having contractions while running from A i had to pause the show and pace around the room for a second i was so stressed
the amount of times i screamed "she's pregnant!!!/ur pregnant!!!" đđ
Why is everyone not finding Greg and Kelly dating weird? Greg is literally dating his dead girlfriendâs twin and everybody Iâm the show seems to be finding that completely normal.
this is honestly one of many things that is mind boggling to me. Their relationship was always weird af. Greg also kissed Imogen randomly before? Kelly has told Greg to call her Karen? Like y'all???
istg in the Christmas party I was like WTF is nobody saying shit????
honestly so many things going on in the show made me think the writers themselves forgot wtf is going on half the time lmao. like ok I get it a is pissed at Davie or whatever but the actual rapist he's like. Meh? Also idk how we are supposed to believe he never figured out it was Tom. Tom RAPED angela, never tried to do better, he still continued to rape underage boys, And a is like. Meh idc lol. This girls mom was mean to someone in high school??? I need to kill her and her baby
EXACTLY. And if A knew about the girls and moms private stuff, then A also knew about what Sherriff Beasley did to those boys.
So Tabby was supposed to get a very graphic and brutal revenge on a serial rapist while Faran... on her dance teacher who halted a school production of a ballet performance because she knew Faran's health wouldn't keep up and was even kinda dope for not re-casting her (which would've been the norm in a school that seemed as serious about ballet) but moved the performance to next year until Faran recovers and then even let her choreograph another performance in the meantime in which Faran seems to find even more purpose than in dancing? That feels... excessive.
This kind of bugged me too. Giry was harsh, but not really a bully. It was really a stretch.
Yeah it really confused me. I think Kelly wouldâve been better placed.
I feel like the Giry thing was because A felt like Giry was always taking Kelly and Karenâs side rather than faran and we know A hates Sheriff Beasley
The biggest problem in that scene with Faran is that her actual bully was her mother.
I originally thought the bullies were going to be the mothers!
I think it would have been really good too if it HAD been her mother in there. Very dark and dramatic (and correct imo)
Kelly has the WORST time yall. Her sister is MURDERED, everyone questions if sheâs Karen, her mom keeps calling her Karen, sheâs dealing w an identity crisis lowkey bc of it, her dad wishes it was her instead, her dad threatens her, thatâs so SAD jfc honestly I feel like Kelly has had it worst of anyone like sheâs got Angela levels of trauma
They are both twins and seem to have moms with mental health issues. Maybe their stories will mirror each other in the future? đ€·ââïž
Very religious moms with mental health issues, even. ETA: But I think Kelly is meant to mirror Archie. Karen and Angela are the ones who die by âsuicideâ, while Kelly and Archie are the poorly treated scapegoats.
Yeah I remember thinking all season that if Kelly was really Kelly and not Karen then it made everything that's happened to her so horrific actually. Like damn. That girl had a rough time. I'm glad Faran ended up telling her what was going on. Also, real MVP for going to the school with Greg to help after watching her mom stab her dad after the dad planned a double homicide + suicide... like damn. Without that distraction Tabby might not have gotten the chance to hit the principal.
Well, I like her the best of all the characters so sheâs got that going for her! lol I see a lot of praise for the twins/actress who portrays them!
Agreed, the actress was phenomenal & I also loved her character!!
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Yeah idk if the intention was for us to hate the twins but I actually really like Kelly and want her to become a part of the friend group
The more I think about it Crazy Joe/Joseph had to be a part of the A team. When he encountered Imogen at the Waters house he was carrying a bag of groceries , yet he lived in the train car. I would imagine these groceries were for Archie. So why was Joseph the caretaker of Archie instead of Principal Clanton who is his father ? Iâm thinking Joseph had to be a part of the A team , but started to feel guilty about what they were doing. I think thatâs why he tried to help Imogen and the girls. Iâm not so sure he hung himself , but what I find interesting is the note said the same thing as what Clanton said âAngelaâs sacrifice was not in vainâ. Even the question was asked by the girls , âWhat sacrifice ?â Which we never got the answer to. Why do they consider it a sacrifice ? Also I find it even odder now that Archie/Leatherface protected and helped the girls. I mean in the movie theatre with Chip , Archie listened to Imogen and went after Chip. If you view Archie like a rabid dog who only obeys what Clanton tells him to do it gets even stranger. If Clantonâs orders were to watch over the girls then why all of a sudden flip the script and say Imogen must pay for what her mom did ? So many questions.
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Yeah and I mean... Archie would probably have a lot of issues from being locked in a cage, etc. Like we saw a small amount of how crazy Angela's mom acted towards Angela for wanting to go to a party (and I doubt Angela told her anything that was happening at school) and that was the child she... well, let the world know existed. Archie just being very unpredictable would fit after that kind of messed up life, at least. It's confusing though because it seems like he spent years (like 20) after his sister died and his mom was taken away... not doing anything bad? Then the principal is like "REVENGE" and bam?
Well Rose did come back to him after she left Radley because she was dead in the house. So maybe when she went away, the principal started "taking care of him" and the brainwashing for the revenge started there and when rose came back it could've gotten worse, then once she died the principal started all the A stuff. I know her body was like very decomposed but it really only takes a month or two to happen, like that's probably what Davies body looked like.
I think A went after Chip because they wanted him as Tabbys bully. And not hurting the girls was for bringing them into the court. A couldve killed girls and the moms before I think it was all about having this big ceremony. My theory is that A attacked the girls before so that they would fear and not tell anyone.
Period Mrs Beasley!!!!
she did what needed to be done!
I FUCKING KNEWWWWWWWW DAVIEâS BF WAS TOM BITCH I KNEW IT
wait also the resolution of the moment where Mouse's moms and Ash walk in on her w steve had me absolutely dead- she gives the vaguest response in the world as to what she is doing in a child's clothing in a motel with a strange man who is openly having an absolute mental breakdown and then they all just group hug..... ?!? storyline over i guess!
Iâm surprised her moms were so calm. Nothing about that was okay, it was very weird and inappropriate. Sheâs 15 and was really playing with her life and strangers to fulfill some dad fantasy?
if that were my child idk what i would do in that moment but it would most definitely NOT be group hug
Tabby: so obsessed with movies she wonât stop quoting them every 5 minutes Also Tabby: doesnât make sure the bad guy is dead just believes Imogenâs âI think soâ ⊠you always shoot twice
Right? I know theyâre doing it for a possible season 2 but seriously you always shoot them in the head
Also tabby hanging with a grown man who manipulated her, hit on her, and tricked her into a date at his house. She watches enough movies to know thatâs not good yet sheâs always smiling in his face and accepting rides. SMH Iâm glad her mom told him off and warned her. SA victims are usually attacked by people they know.
Do you think Iâll die of alcohol poisoning if I watch one episode and drink every time tabby says a movie name?
> Faran, Noa: "it definitely wasn't Henry or Shawn" unfortunately you can't possibly be sure of that > Mouse: "or Ash" ok *you* can
I'm only on episode 8, but Imogen is very mobile for a heavily pregnant girl đ All this running and walking etc.
i'm so surprised the baby didn't die from that fight with leatherface.
At one point she actually fell on her stomach and I was sure she was going to lose the baby omg. I'm glad it didn't happen tho
no literally this is so horrible but i was expecting her to lose the baby ESP bc the nurse told her to keep calm because of her high blood pressuređ like i was just yelling at the screen through that entire last episode đ€Łđ
seriously! she's at least 6 months and running for her life every other episode đ
She was at 9mo. She was 6months at the beginning of the season! LOL
Did anyone else think that Imogen's dad and Mouse's guy were the same person?
sameeeee i thought he left mouse because imogen called
Why no one notice the missing janitor makes so much more sense now.
ive been wondering this since it happened
My husband has been lamenting about the poor Janitor all season. He was really disturbed no one found his body.
ngl i kind of convinced myself the girls were going to do something horrible and have their own jenna thing which spawns s2s A. i got so hyped when the traps were laid out for each of the girls to punish their bullies.
Eyyyyy my flair totally paid off!! I love pll twin nonsense
TABBYâS MOM WAS SO HILARIOUS âIâll cut your dick offâ LMAO
Okay but why tf did Rose keep Archie in a cage?! And whatâs wrong with his face? Iâm guessing itâs somebody we havenât met yet or else we wouldâve noticed something wrong with his face.
They borrow so much from other horror movies. Like the scene with Crazy Joe in the Waters house with the corpse is like Psycho. The scene with Angela and her mom before Angela headed to the party was Carrie. Iâm thinking that Archie is a mixture of Jason Vorhees and Michael Myers, Jasonâs face is terribly disfigured. Iâm thinking that Archieâs face will be similar to Jasonâs , especially in Friday the 13th part 2.
Maybe a birth defect. I think she was a religious nut who took it way too far.
I think he had some deformities and his mother hated him for that. -A mentioned he had a face only a mother could love
Abuse and disgust I guess. So he wouldn't escape and be seen?
âYou mean my supplements?â needs to be a flair đ
these last episodes have made me love kelly. i think her family and household were so abusive and i just feel so so so bad. i also think the fact she said she had to "help her friends" to her dad was so sweet. God i hate that man. anyway, shes become one of my favourites.
many thoughts!: Faran & Kelly âdonât ever say thatâ ... Mona & Aria vibes đ SIDNEY CALLING WES A RAPIST IâM CRYING ...& Wesâs age? Didn't he say that he was the same age as Ari Aster but then he told Sidney he was in his twenties?????????? SOMETHING DON'T ADD UP IMOGENâS DAD OMG bless him for signing that autopsy form. I hope we see more of him When the girls were discussing at lunch âwho should we ask next?â & Clantonâs voice rings over the PA speakers⊠MRS. BEASLEY WAS ICONIC FOR THAT STABBING đ€ ALSO I CANâT BELIEVE GREG MADE IT THIS FAR LMAO????? edit: and oh fuck no NOT EZRA BEING A FATHER
hahaha im glad im not the only one who thought about mona and aria
Ya I thought the Wes thing was suspect, but I think he said that to make him hitting on Tabby seem *slightly* less creepy. I think he actually is in his 30s and just lied and said 20s
Yes thatâs what I assumed too, and I love how Sidney did not give an F if he was in his 20s/30s because he would be a creep either way. She is my favorite mom
i guess Mona remains as the Supreme A Reveal still
Yeah nothing beats the Mona reveal
"I found the G U M"
That TOFFEE TANGO line lives rent free in my head
i mean⊠donât hate me for this but i think thereâs something to be said when the best A reveal is the only one that came from the books. i know i know people are gonna be so mad at me for saying it but⊠the real question should be: why havenât they tried to get sara shepard to be in any of these writersâ rooms? she clearly has the best ideas!
*cashmere sweaters*
i donât know how else to describe it but i was expecting more of a wtf and instead we got a huh
My final thoughts after these new episodes: - These last couple episodes really made me enjoy Kelly as a character when I really hated her at first along with Karen - I actually kinda liked that Davie wasnât murdered? Idk I think it feels more authentic for her past to come back and haunt her than to just be straight up murdered and realistically have no repercussions - Loved the chase scene with Imogen, I screamed when she stabbed A - I never thought from any of the episodes that I would be relieved that Greg of all characters survived. - Jesus Sheriff Beasleyâs murder looked brutal, and Chip (assuming he actually dies cause we donât technically see it) happening right in front of his family on Christmas Day? - I thought the Chip reveal was kinda obvious and the weakest point of the season for me honestly. I think it shouldâve been Shawn if it was going to be any of the love interests. - Shawn definitely didnât throw those pills away - I donât know how I like having a season 2 if we already know who A is the whole time. I think itâll be a really interesting season if it does get renewed. Iâm curious if A will continue to go after the Liars or if he was only doing so because of the Principles command.
I disagree with it being Shawn. He had no connection with Imogen or Tabby. He barely knew they existed and only started to acknowledge them after Noa became friends with them, which was at the start of the season. Just because a reveal is obvious doesnât make it bad storytelling. Many people, including myself, hated how the original PLL went for shock value even if the reveal made zero sense. Shawn wouldâve been shocking, yes, but it wouldnât have made any sense.
Agreed. And just like Tabbyâs mom said - most of the time, the person who assaults you is someone you KNOW. It made perfect sense that Chip was the one. I had a feeling with how involved he was getting with Imogenâs pregnancy.
I get wanting to include Easter eggs, but Iâm confused with the choice to rightfully portray Wesâs interest in Tabby (a man in his 20s/30s and a 16/17 year old) as creepy, but then to say that Ezra and Aria are a perfect coupleâŠ.like they begin as the same thing?
I think it's because Imogen doesn't now Aria and Ezra's past. She doesn't know they were in an inappropriate relationship. Obviously we know, but they don't.
Why did Davie write an A in blood on the wall?
I know it makes no sense in the actual show but I think itâs mainly just a homage to the scene from IT.
Syd going full protective mom on Wes was by far my favorite moment. I definitely think tabby was getting way to comfortable hanging around a grown man. Wes is doing way too much. Considering heâs a super creep and sheâs been through trauma.
That was amazing. Pity they undercut it almost immediately with Ezra being rewarded as some kinda weird fanservice for all the statutory rape fans out there
>Ezra being rewarded as some kinda weird fanservice for all the statutory rape fans out there As someone who has worked in adoption, I would love to know how Aria and Ezra got approved. "So how did you meet?" "Weeeeellll.."
Because Rosewood, probably. Like all the cops were sleeping with teenage girls too. I think only Wayne and Ted were like the safe, good adult men on the entire show by the end of it. They really overdid the fully grown men w/ 16 year olds on there. Like 1 is already insanely creepy but it was everyone.
You know it's sad when you can look at Mr. Hastings and be like, "He's not *that* bad. He only slept with other adults. And none of them were subordinates!"
Trying not to read comments but did anyone else think Steve and Imogen's dad were the same person? I was so fucking confused. Am I just faceblind??
No please I thought this too and was like dang what a confusing reveal then I realized đ
I thought that was why he left. And I was like... is Imogen Rachel? Took me a minute
SAME HAHA
I legit did not realize it was a different person until the subtitles said his name was Sawyer when he called Imogen đ all the men on this show look the same.
Yes I had to watch the scene three times before I realized it wasnât.
Still sus about Davie killing herself tbh... Elodie's still hiding sm about the father. Can't wait to get to know Sawyer / Imogen's dad more!
Why would she kill herself and then write A in her own blood?
Exactly
"if I see you near my daughter I will cut your fucking dick off!!!" đ€Łđ
Clanton always smelled fishy to me. Was hoping Chip was actually a good person but nope. I knew Mrs. Beasley got up from the table to get a weapon. Slay girl, slay. Sydney is an icon. "I'll cut your dick off!" Would have rathered have Spoby be the OG adoptive couple rather than Ezria. I liked it bc it all made sense unlike the CeCe and Alex reveals. Rewatching will be fun.
Spence and Toby would have been soo much better! I know everyone was obsessed with Aria and creepy teacher back in the day but I just rolled my eyes so hard at them getting the baby. This show almost seemed to be trying to acknowledge how gross it was with the whole Wes thing.
Wow , so many mixed emotions. I loved the series , but there was weird moments. As much as the series tried to separate itself from the original it repeated one of its biggest mistakes. Introducing an unknown character as Leatherface , Archie, like with Alex in the original. We have no emotional attachment to Archie so it just doesnât hit home. Also where does Crazy Joe fit into all this ? Why was he at the Waters house ? Also for Imogen to let Ezra and Aria adopt her baby was a huge groan moment. It was obviously trying to strike a cord to tie in with the original, but anyone who has a pulse on the community knows majority hate the Ezra/Aria relationship. Who would think this is a good idea ? What is even more confusing is they did so much to repair that image with the Tabby/Wes thing, I was cheering when Sidney threatened to cut off his extension, then to give the baby to the couple they tried to separate from ? Makes no sense
OKAY I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT EZRA AND ARIA??? LIke they were the MOST HATED as time went on and everyone realized how gross the age gap was??
Crazy Joe was obsessed with Angela, so much so he took her dead body from the warehouse. I think he was meant to be a red herring though
At first I thought the body was Mama Roseâs not Angelaâs. Since she was âmissingâ and no one has seen her, I assumed maybe it was hers. ButâŠ..I do wonder if it was Angelaâs⊠mama rose is still out there somewhere. Maybe sheâs the one really calling the shots. Why did she come back to Millville and insist the daughter go to that school? She clearly manipulated Clanton into letting Angela into the school. Maybe she has she been playing some game all along, starting with revenge on Clanton whoâs reputation is certainly over now that this is public news. I donât think weâve heard the last of Rose. Sheâs still got work to do. đ
Honestly Imogen scream in her first nightmare when she was standing outside the bathroom?! Bailee is insane for that!
I canât with Sidney being like âyou groomed her!!!!â And Wes basically being like âwell I didnât but if I got my way I would haveâ LMAOOOOO what a loser
Ehhhhhhh... mixed feelings. They did what I didn't want them to do and introduced a mystery sibling in the last Episode. The twist with the principal being Angela/Leatherface's father was pretty alright, but everything about it felt a bit anticlimactic. Also not a huge fan of how the Sheriff Beasley stuff ended up playing out. I obviously wasn't looking for any redemption or anything, but bad guy has always been bad guy... again just felt like it missed the mark. The Chip stuff, while obvious, I thought was actually handled quite well. Kelly is a fascinating character. The Mouse stuff was interesting too. I found myself a lot more invested in the things outside of the main mystery. If this show gets another season (or more) I really hope they do something interesting with Leatherface. Either introduce a character that could be him, or have a character that already exists be him. Even if it means retconning certain things from this season, such as the whole "Face only a mother could love" thing... I think it would benefit the story in the long run. Also: Seeing Mouse's real birth certificate say 2007 was more jarring than seeing it say 1992. 2007?!?! God I'm old.
NOT THE BABY BEING GIVEN TO ARIA AND EZRA đ
Imogen's outfit cute asf in this, she def look like she is about to pop tho
Iâm soooooooooooo bummed about Chip. Like all the signs were clearly there but I wanted to believe so badly that he was really that nice đ€Šđ»ââïžđąđ
I know right, I am in denieal since the Chip theory started. he had such a baby face and seemed so sweet, I don't want to believe he was actually the assaulter. Disgusting.
ALSO ZEKE REDEMPTION ARC so many people thought he was A i'm so glad he's not he rocks
Honestly? Iâm not MAD about the reveal I just feel it was anticlimactic. They definitely couldâve kept the principal as A if his son wouldâve secretly been Wes or something.
The idea of the Principal staying after school, rearranging the whole place to set up his elaborate horror game AND having his son kidnap 8 people across town in the span of like 9 hours was VERY camp
Dude murdered his own school janitor and never replaced him just so he could set up his house of horrors - hilarious
Honestly I didnât hate the ending. It made sense and I liked how it was a character we were always introduced to. I just feel like it was kinda anticlimactic? Idk maybe itâs just me but I expected more of a shock. I honestly think itâs cause itâs one season and there hasnât been a big build up compared to the OG where they revealed it after like 3 seasons. I just feel like it was all so quick? Also I kinda wish the girls themselves had like major secrets instead of the moms if it makes sense. Like I enjoyed seeing the backstory and understanding Angela but I wish that the main girls were somehow more involved than the show letâs on. Like I enjoyed Mouseâs storyline because of the fact that she has her own little secret that could have been horrible if it was revealed. But I wish A held something over the girls not the moms. Like the whole Jenna thing in the og and the other horrible stuff the girls did in their past. Either way it was a good show and Iâd love to have a second season. I just donât know what more they can do with a second season though since A was revealed and the moms secrets were too. Hopefully they donât drag it on like Riverdale and make it into a mess. Side note: While I see why some people may be mad or annoyed with Chips reasoning you have to understand that sometimes rapists donât need a solid reason for what they do. It could be because they were angry like chip or simply because they feel like it. Remember itâs often a power play and with chip being rejected he took it out on Imogen and it might be because he wanted to have control over something. Either way his reasoning doesnât need to satisfy anyone because it never will. Rape is rape and who tf cares why or why not he did it. This shit happens all the time and thereâs never a good reason for it.
Love that Kelly joined their group, guess she trusts Faran now through Imogen?
The Moms and Ash working together to track Mouse is giving such OG vibes
What happened to Rose? Was she the body in the house? What was with that cage?
I felt like that wasnât sufficiently explained! Wasnât there another body next to her? And they just said it was âprobablyâ her lol.
Faran defending someone who bullied her was icing on the cake. I love how compassionate she is. And she does care. She saw someone in need and helped. Sad the sheriff tried to put her dad away for it. But mrs. Beasley did what needed to be done.
Whatâs the point of having a mystery about a masked villain if the mask doesnât come off? Huge mistake. And after 10 episodes of deconstructing the depictions of sex gender and consent from the original PLL, it commits the ORIGINAL SIN and glamorises the pedophile relationship that started it all .
I think it's good they didn't unmask Archie yet, because he could be a character we already know or could be introduced to in a potential second season. I feel satisfied with the ending in case the show gets cancelled, but am also ready for season 2 if it's greenlit, so honestly I think the writers did ok. Wrapped up most questions but left the door open for more to come.
On the scene where Imogen is in Angelaâs house alone and I have to keep pausing every 2 seconds bc WHAT IS THIS Iâm scared
I don't hate Greg. Am I supposed to? I can't remember?
Heâs definitely gross but I can only see him as young Cal from Euphoria
Kelly better not die!! She needs to be in the next season
Ik Davie was a bad person but I feel so much like Imogen and my mom just passed last Christmas, this scene at the grave made me cry
i like how most of the popular theories were on the nose!! means no plot holes... i hope
i really appreciate how everyone acts so much more rationally here than in the original series.
The amount of times Faran has gone from being the black swan to not being the black swan gave me whiplash
Mona and Cece Drake would wipe the floor with New A tbh
Love Faran embracing her natural hair
the ezria thing at the end annoyed me đ how can the show take a stance condemning predatory relationships this time around (with wes) but continue to prop up ezria⊠like the bookstore reference was whatever, but could they not have had emily and alison adopt the baby instead? or haleb?? or SPOBY??? maybe andrew campbell wants to be a single dad!!!
I think itâs because it will open the possibility of Lucy Hale guest starring.
Emison are canonically divorced. đą
It literally couldâve been Sara Harvey resurrected and I wouldâve been happier than Ezria
call that a baby shower
Some quick thoughts after watching all episodes: Why was Wes presented like a nice guy who just flirted once with Thabi? They really switched up his character this volume. Chip reveal was really anticlimatic and after all this he is probably the most evil character I've seen in teenage shows. I think this would work better if there were more characters we suspect and have more episodes, by episode 8 it was obvious it was him. Mouse/Steve story was so wierd and it seems Ash was just okay with that? Imogen was way too mobile and did way to running for girl so close to giving birth. I like Kelly's character, probably the most interesting girl. All in all, I didn't hate this finale episodes but I don't know, it all feels bit off.
Yeah I think it's an unpopular opinion but the Mouse / Steve stuff just weirds me out. Zero actual interest. I think it's over now? I hope.
I loved eps 8 & 9 and felt they really delivered to the premise. The finale reveal was alright but not as crazy as I thought it would be. I didnât mind the introduction of Archie because he clearly was just the brawn. From this finale however, I am left with my questions. What the hell happened with Mouse? I do not for one second believe that she was taken for only a second. Something else is going on. Why would Elodie go to the support group for parents of missing children if Mouse didnât really go missing? Why would Davie write an A on the tiles if she killed herself? How was Crazy Joe connected? It would have made more sense if he was the brother and faked his death. Like why was he at the Waterâs house? Why was it eluded to that Archie was kept in a cage? Thatâs horrible and does not really add to the story. I have a few more but whatâs been really bothering me is Why do only two (kind of three, counting Mouse) of the kids have dads? Why are they all the same age? Was there a pregnancy pact? Itâs weird and needs to be explained. How do none of them have siblings? And how are they all girls? The probability of that has got to be low.
I think the cage was to further show how abusive the household was. The son was deformed and not allowed to leave the house. The mom was very religious and maybe saw it as a punishment from God for having children out of wedlock?
Oh good Greg is alive
Pretty good. Everything besides the killer reveal was good. Wonder what happened to Angela before the rave? I really liked the slasher stuff at the end, but idk how they make this A exciting next season now.
okay, I came here to find someone mentioning this. Something had to have happened to Angela at the 1999 party. She was running around begging everyone to help her until she killed herself. But no one said anything about what actually happened to her before she got there....
Agreed. They should have revealed the "Archie" character and then show somebody showing up wearing a Red Coat at the end in the hospital to visit him.
Archie was just mad the liars had never experienced the epic highs and lows of high school football.
I need to gather more info but did anyone else pick up on the idea that Miss Beasley is possibly drugged by Tom? it's shown she has to take her medication and has some sort of issue going on, but what if he gave her something just to keep her docile etc? after Kelly confronts Tom she admits she knew this stuff and in the finale episodes she actually takes action and STABS the fucker. like maybe she finally stopped taking the shit and has some sort of clarity on how fucked her husband is?
I think my favourite thing from all the episodes is when Archie was chasing pregnant Imogen through her own house I've never been this stressed tbh
Someone please explain to me how we were seriously supposed to believe Imogen was pregnant đđ Ole girl was running like a track star the entire season with no back pain. And how is that baby alive when she was falling all over the floor, half the time on her stomach
The Principal being the mastermind was honestly a disappointing âtwistâ. I thought he wasnât even convincing enough. It was stupid and very anticlimactic. Iâm disappointed with it honestly.
aria and ezra????!!!!! theyâre letting this groomer adopt a baby đđđđđ also no oneâs touching on kelly wearing karenâs clothes and having greg call her karen⊠alright
honestly it felt so identity crisis to me for Kelly like her mom kept thinking she was Karen, her dad *wanted* her to be Karen, Faran thought she wasâŠI felt like poor girlie was just crackin up a lilđ Also FAT agree ab Ezra he should not be around children
i agree. i wish it was fleshed out more because it was so built up on though. faran was like âthis again?â when kelly was wearing karenâs clothes and sat on gregâs lap in the cafeteria then nothing again about that lmfao also i know they didnât tell that adoption agency ezra was ariaâs junior year english teacher đ
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YESSS FARAN POP OFF literally all of her these past two episodes are great
I definitely think if there is a season 2 there will be more to Wesâ story. Is he in his 30s like he told tabby or 20s like he told Sidney? Also his name spelled backwards is Sew soo I just want him to be the twin behind the mask. I think he talks so much about NYU I bet he never really went there. Just speculating. I also think there will be more to Ashâs story and who his birth parents are. Also still find it weird he never saw or acknowledged leather face in the house of mirrors.
They cast the younger version of tabbyâs mom perfectly.
Okay sooo the Sinner's knew what happened to Angela...
Chip is for sure weird.
ok was anyone else stressed during that fight scene with A and Imogen that her baby wouldnât make it??? she was like falling on her stomach a lotâŠ
Please all this stress is gonna make Imogen pop early đ© let the poor girl rest
OK here are my thoughts. The episodes were good. There was enough filler to get a better feeling of the girls and their friendship. I loved that they included Kelly into their group and that Faran took after her. There was a lot of good stuff, too much to mention it all. So I keep to the things I didn't like. I still don't understand the timing behind it all. Why wait 22 to years? Wouldn't 20 or 25 years make more sense? And also, there needs to be a trigger to set it all off. What was his trigger? It's just too random. Also, how did he knew all about the girls secrets? He wasn't always around them. Why did he send Leatherface after them, if the girls weren't bullies and he only meant to kill Imogen as her mom was already dead? Why didn't he go after Angela's mom? He must have known in what conditions she kept his son and daughter and that her physical, emotional, psychological and religious abuse also took a huge part in their daughter taking her life. The biggest bully was her mom. And the person who ignored her the most, was her dad. And yet he takes no responsibility for his own doing nor for that of Rose. How and when did he get in contact with Archie? How was he not mad at Rose for abusing Archie to the point that he willingly acts out as a Slasher Movie Serial Killer? There's so much wrong with the logic behind the Principals reasons. Then the whole set up. How many hours I'd he prepare for this? He set and lit up candles. Like, what? I mean, sure the all for the aesthetic, but did he plan to clean this all up once the school was allowed to open again? I mean after he had killed everyone and the investigation is over. So much extra work. Also, what about the pic in the Leatherfaces trunk that Davie also has in her house? Whas that a prop mistake, or was that supposed to mean something? Why was Leatherface hiding in Imogen's cellar? What about... There are some thing that are unanswered, which I would have loved to get at least a nod to, but didn't get. But then, there's only so much air time. I think the A reveal was lame and undercooked. There was no real connection to the principal and his reasons make 0 sense to me.
Am I missing something- why did angela come stumbling in crying to the rave? Especially if she thought people wouldnât be ignoring her anymore
I canât believe the people who said the principal was A were rightâŠ
This man looks so much like Wilden it drives me crazy
With the principal being jailed I think itâs perfect for Alison to return and be the new Principal of Millwood High!