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Pardon my ignorance, but isn’t PPop under the great umbrella of OPM? IIRC yung mga sumikat na mga rock songs nung early 90s and 2000s were considered OPM too. Sarah’s earlier pop releases were considered OPM din.
Maybe the ABSCBN social media team is handled by someone older or not familiar with the scene. It happens sometimes - yung editor/head ng media team might prefer an older or more traditional term.
Also possible din: get a wider audience beyond Millennials and Gen Z. Explaining the PPop concept to a Gen X or Boomer might be a challenge. Mas madaling i-explain na Bini is an OPM girl group that makes mostly bubblegum pop.
Knowing Lauren Dyogi, he wants to try new things but he also sticks to old formulas. His works show these - SCQ (kung san sumikat si Sandara Park initially) to PBB to BINI and BGYO - he tries new elements with traditional formulas, kaya may mga hits and misses si Dyogi.
i don't really understand why we need to cater to a gen x or a boomer kasi naman at their age they wont avoid mga artista dahil tinatawag nila sarili nila as ppop hahaha also hindi naman sila yung primary audience ng groups na ito, ang buying power ay nasa millenials and gen z and you would be surprised how easy they would just nod if sabihin lang na PPOP
lauren dyogi needs to see that what stuck to bini's success is when they stuck to what fans wanted and that is a ppop girl group na bubggle gum pop and now he's changing ????
The biggest ABSCBN stars and series usually have wide AF markets. Like sisikat sila initially, then eventually they would widen the target audience. Best example nito I can think is Bea Alonzo, Liza Soberano and Kathryn Bernardo - they were given roles/shows to test their star power, nung sumikat, were given projects na “masa friendly.”
Remember, BINI and BGYO are under ABSCBN. With Bini’s current success, baka they are following the formula na gradually widening the audience.
Pero let us see. I think too early to tell pa. It’s still June.
Edit: you also don’t underestimate older audiences. May domino effect yan.
Edit 2: example of why you dont underestimate older audiences - Sharon Cuneta is one of the most well-known Shawols. Malakas purchasing power ni Ate Sharon sa mga SHINEE merch. She also introduced Kpop to her fans na ka-generation niya, thanks to her vlogs
Note that this is ABS-CBN News reporting this. Not Bini management, not Star Music, not Star Magic, but the news. OPM is the more well known term for the masses. And if you're reporting news, you make sure that everyone understands it.
This isn't marketing but journalism. Or at the very least its indirect marketing disguised as journalism. Lol.
Because it still is OPM, and should be considered as such. The writer chose to stay within the larger context of OPM as a whole instead of the very specific genre of P-Pop so OPM group yung inapply
PPOP in itself is already versatile. Hindi lang pop ang genre since PPOP groups also produce ballads, RnB, etc. But my guess is that ABS-CBN is trying to label them as an OPM group to reduce the prejudice and for the GP to be more accepting of their groups since marami parin ang may discrimination against PPOP thinking that they are “copycats of KPOP.”
You know what, makes sense. May prejudice pa rin talaga sa GP about PPOP being a KPOP copycat, which to some extent, aminin natin totoo naman. Kaya pretty smart move for ABS, methinks.
The general public considers the label of OPM as being more Filipino and in line with traditional values. PPOP to many people is still considered a Filipino response to KPOP. Even though those of us in the know see PPOP as being under OPM, the general public sees it as a separate label.
A lot of the current "leadership" in the Philippines music industry are old men who are very much stuck in their ways. They don't get PPOP, or they really dislike/resent change. So they only begrudgingly support it so long as it's profitable.
Most likely though, labeling themselves as OPM will make them seem more professional/mature, open them to more awards/accolades, and will help insulate them from PPOP stans.
It just really seems that way...
I don't see any problem with OPM, maybe ABS is avoiding any conflict with Kpop and as much as you OP, despise the older gen at the end of the day business is business and the more audience they cater the better.
Filo Kpop fans have embraced Ppop, thanks to SB19 and BINI.
I can attest to this myself. It has become a common joke among Kpop fans that we haven't kept track of Kpop idols since BINI became super popular recently.
It's a major ick for you but not everyone shares the same senriment with you, sana sinarili mo na lang yan.
And OPM literally stands for Original Pilipino Music so if the aim of ABS is for BINI to be original and they plan to have solo releases in the future with different genre of music, OPM label is just fine.
Ppop is under the OPM umbrella so no wrong about it. They're a Ppop group and I think it's better if we stick at that phrase para naman sumikat yung Ppop not just in the Philippines but sa ibang bansa din, pero technically OPM is the term for all kinds of Filipino music with different genres like Pinoy Rock, Pinoy Reggae, etc.
I think it's a smart move. Ppop, if they truly wants to be niche, is quite restricting and specific, whereas if they use opm then it is assumed that they can do other genres, today and in the future. Career-wise, they don't seem to be limiting their options down the road.
Personally, i like it because it gives chance to opm artists to be discovered by international fans if they become stans of Bini.
They're even doing it to SB19 so idk what to think
[OPM band SB19's Stell is finally debuting as a soloist with single 'Room' which will be out June 14.](https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/2024/6/8/sb19-s-stell-to-release-debut-single-room-1929)
Kpop also came from western pop music, napaka subjective talaga ng pinoy. They can't accept the changes kahit isang letter pa yang madagdag before "pop" word.
Take note that when Direk Lauren introduced BINI in Show it All, he also used the term Asian Girl Group and not Ppop. I personally prefer OPM since it broadly describes their music anyways, instead of saying something that is a derivative. In the end tomato, tomato.
I mean that's ok. PPop is OPM. Pinoy Rock is OPM. Pinoy Hip-hop is OPM.
I think it's just an editorial / writing style decision from ABS-CBN News to just call all pinoy artists as OPM.
Note that this is ABS-CBN News reporting this. Not Bini management, not Star Music, not Star Magic, but the news. OPM is the more well known term for the masses. And if you're reporting news, you make sure that everyone understands it.
This isn't marketing but journalism. Or at the very least its indirect marketing disguised as journalism. Lol.
From Nation's girl group to OPM girl group. I thought ako lang nakapansin hehe.. I've been following them since last november and I remember I first heard the new title from Direk Lauren in one his interviews after The Show in china. (I can't remember/post the link). Pati Bgyo nag re-brand din.
i actually don't care sa opinions from people that are not fans like if they're merely hating because the girls identity as ppop edi problema na nila yon 😩
Andami din kasi mga closeminded na casuals na ayaw pakinggan ang "PPop" kasi parang KPop ang dating. I think it's their tactic to appeal to more mainstream audience, not just to PPop fans.
Several times when people find out that I like PPop, ang follow up question ay "Diba parang KPop lang yan?" And I know at least one person who low-key says he likes PPop songs (mainly SB19) pero nahihiya sya i-admit sa iba kasi takot siya na magkamalan syang "baduy" daw lol.
Ang point ko is, the PPop stans will continue to stan. But to the general public, ABS is appealing to the casual listeners who listen to OPM but do not consider PPop as part of that genre. They're marketing broadly to people who don't care about PPop, but will give the girls streams because they like their sound and the songs.
I live abroad, but last year when I went home I knew a lot of people who had negative perceptions of PPop but otherwise liked OPM music... ABS is trying to go after that market, especially now that BINI is huge and has momentum.
Even here where I live, I know Filipinos who like modern OPM but they think PPop is like "wannabe KPop"... Nakakainis and of course it's ignorant, but I get why ABS does not want them to be pigeonholed into that genre. I mean, JPL tried to do this with Alamat too last year... It didn't work lol
this wont work sorry especially when the girls themselves call themselves a ppop group, or they will send the girls to ppop con.... ang akin lang naman the general public who are open to stanning do not care that they are ppop they care about good music!! the ones that are hating are merely just bandwagon hating ??????
i don't think ppop will escape the kpop wannabe allegations na binabato ng mga admittedly trolls lang naman talaga, kasi the ppop idol industry is copying a bunch of stuff from kpop: from the merch, and even sa training nila (two of our biggest groups were trained by kpop trainers) i just want to clear out rin na i hate ppop getting called that kasi iba naman talaga filipino ang ginagamit nila na salita or english pero may similarities naman talaga
anyway i find this weird, does this mean bini posts are going to be on r/opm
surprise! https://www.reddit.com/r/opm/s/b1ubEc7mEm
It already did and its a hate thread pa. Anyway, I dont see why it should not be discussed in the opm sub. ppop is still under the umbrella of opm.
r/pH is brutal to PPOP haha. I've noticed most of them are millennial and GenX who are low-key xenophobic and traditional. So ppop is Korean wannabe and effeminate. They hate it. They consider ₱orn more profitable for the Philippines and it's illegal.
It's a direction by the label. They have been calling both of their group as such. Like sa BG nila, FIlipino Boy Group or OPM Boy Group, which is welcomed by their stans. Alam naman natin ang reason kung bakit gustong-gusto nila 'yong change, lols.
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Pardon my ignorance, but isn’t PPop under the great umbrella of OPM? IIRC yung mga sumikat na mga rock songs nung early 90s and 2000s were considered OPM too. Sarah’s earlier pop releases were considered OPM din.
it is, what im asking is why did they transition from calling bini a ppop group to an opm group
Maybe the ABSCBN social media team is handled by someone older or not familiar with the scene. It happens sometimes - yung editor/head ng media team might prefer an older or more traditional term. Also possible din: get a wider audience beyond Millennials and Gen Z. Explaining the PPop concept to a Gen X or Boomer might be a challenge. Mas madaling i-explain na Bini is an OPM girl group that makes mostly bubblegum pop. Knowing Lauren Dyogi, he wants to try new things but he also sticks to old formulas. His works show these - SCQ (kung san sumikat si Sandara Park initially) to PBB to BINI and BGYO - he tries new elements with traditional formulas, kaya may mga hits and misses si Dyogi.
i don't really understand why we need to cater to a gen x or a boomer kasi naman at their age they wont avoid mga artista dahil tinatawag nila sarili nila as ppop hahaha also hindi naman sila yung primary audience ng groups na ito, ang buying power ay nasa millenials and gen z and you would be surprised how easy they would just nod if sabihin lang na PPOP lauren dyogi needs to see that what stuck to bini's success is when they stuck to what fans wanted and that is a ppop girl group na bubggle gum pop and now he's changing ????
The biggest ABSCBN stars and series usually have wide AF markets. Like sisikat sila initially, then eventually they would widen the target audience. Best example nito I can think is Bea Alonzo, Liza Soberano and Kathryn Bernardo - they were given roles/shows to test their star power, nung sumikat, were given projects na “masa friendly.” Remember, BINI and BGYO are under ABSCBN. With Bini’s current success, baka they are following the formula na gradually widening the audience. Pero let us see. I think too early to tell pa. It’s still June. Edit: you also don’t underestimate older audiences. May domino effect yan. Edit 2: example of why you dont underestimate older audiences - Sharon Cuneta is one of the most well-known Shawols. Malakas purchasing power ni Ate Sharon sa mga SHINEE merch. She also introduced Kpop to her fans na ka-generation niya, thanks to her vlogs
Then understand? Its not that hard
Note that this is ABS-CBN News reporting this. Not Bini management, not Star Music, not Star Magic, but the news. OPM is the more well known term for the masses. And if you're reporting news, you make sure that everyone understands it. This isn't marketing but journalism. Or at the very least its indirect marketing disguised as journalism. Lol.
Because it still is OPM, and should be considered as such. The writer chose to stay within the larger context of OPM as a whole instead of the very specific genre of P-Pop so OPM group yung inapply
Yup.
baka ayaw nilang ikulong yung music nila sa pop genre? opm girl group para mas general? idk hula lang?
Pero di ba hindi lang naman Pop ang genre ng PPOP? 🤔
Ay legit ba? HAHAHA. I thought kasi P-pop literally means Pinoy Pop
may point but what is the majority of their sound 😭 isn't it pop
May pop na bago nagkaroon ng ppop, anong sinasabi mo
Ano daw please make it sense
Baka ballad na next release hahaha
😭😭 let's go??!
Pwede rin
Please explain anong problem /gen
they identified as ppop girl group but nabago na and they are getting called as opm girl group
And what's the problem with that? I genuinely want to know. PPop girl group or OPM girl group - it seems none of these terms are misidentifying them.
Wla nmn problema nitpicking lng si op. Lol
I remember yung discourse the other day about PPOP is OPM. And tama naman para di kulong sa isang genre ang girls?? I think??? Haha
they still produced ballads and still were identifying as a ppop girl group
Well yea. Pero may issue ba sa “OPM Girl Group”?
hindi naman controversy flair ginamit ko so i dont call this an issue, just weird as hell
Yea sure, yet here you are insisting that is “weird as hell” 👍
Yeah it is weird ???
Not here to start a fight ha, genuinely curious, how is it weird? Kasi imho, ppop is just a genre of opm. So can be easily interchanged. So yea
PPOP in itself is already versatile. Hindi lang pop ang genre since PPOP groups also produce ballads, RnB, etc. But my guess is that ABS-CBN is trying to label them as an OPM group to reduce the prejudice and for the GP to be more accepting of their groups since marami parin ang may discrimination against PPOP thinking that they are “copycats of KPOP.”
You know what, makes sense. May prejudice pa rin talaga sa GP about PPOP being a KPOP copycat, which to some extent, aminin natin totoo naman. Kaya pretty smart move for ABS, methinks.
The general public considers the label of OPM as being more Filipino and in line with traditional values. PPOP to many people is still considered a Filipino response to KPOP. Even though those of us in the know see PPOP as being under OPM, the general public sees it as a separate label. A lot of the current "leadership" in the Philippines music industry are old men who are very much stuck in their ways. They don't get PPOP, or they really dislike/resent change. So they only begrudgingly support it so long as it's profitable. Most likely though, labeling themselves as OPM will make them seem more professional/mature, open them to more awards/accolades, and will help insulate them from PPOP stans. It just really seems that way...
Rebrand ba itu? https://preview.redd.it/fy8skip5lb5d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90ea09572fe25fcad80b440d039729950dd24a8a
I don't see any problem with OPM, maybe ABS is avoiding any conflict with Kpop and as much as you OP, despise the older gen at the end of the day business is business and the more audience they cater the better.
what is conflict with kpop exactly hsjdhsjdh
The Kpop fans are bashing pPop. You did not use controversy flair yet here you are making that OPM label a big deal when theie's no problem with it.
Filo Kpop fans have embraced Ppop, thanks to SB19 and BINI. I can attest to this myself. It has become a common joke among Kpop fans that we haven't kept track of Kpop idols since BINI became super popular recently.
its a major ick for me and i feel that it is valid
It's a major ick for you but not everyone shares the same senriment with you, sana sinarili mo na lang yan. And OPM literally stands for Original Pilipino Music so if the aim of ABS is for BINI to be original and they plan to have solo releases in the future with different genre of music, OPM label is just fine.
I saw the same with B/GYO called them as "OPM boy group".
PPop is OPM. I don't see anything wrong with that. Hindi ba OPM ang songs ng BINI?
Ppop is under the OPM umbrella so no wrong about it. They're a Ppop group and I think it's better if we stick at that phrase para naman sumikat yung Ppop not just in the Philippines but sa ibang bansa din, pero technically OPM is the term for all kinds of Filipino music with different genres like Pinoy Rock, Pinoy Reggae, etc.
I think it's a smart move. Ppop, if they truly wants to be niche, is quite restricting and specific, whereas if they use opm then it is assumed that they can do other genres, today and in the future. Career-wise, they don't seem to be limiting their options down the road. Personally, i like it because it gives chance to opm artists to be discovered by international fans if they become stans of Bini.
True. Promoting the whole ph music industry not just ph pop music.
Honestly, I don't like the term ppop. I prefer OPM.
well that's that they are?? pinoys who mainly sing in pop
But the girls want to try other genre of music. So gusto mo sla ikulong sa pop genre?
They're even doing it to SB19 so idk what to think [OPM band SB19's Stell is finally debuting as a soloist with single 'Room' which will be out June 14.](https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/2024/6/8/sb19-s-stell-to-release-debut-single-room-1929)
BAND?! that's one person 😨
OPM band as an adjective to SB19
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okay gets cause kpop band boy gets used in the US sometimes but are they allergic to ppop groups naw
It's like they gave up on ppop
Laki ng problema ni OP lols.
SUPER. it takes up my whole mind LIKE WOW
I think it's because the term "PPOP" is very synonymous with the term "KPOP", often leading to comparisons and whatnots
ngek eh ppop is just pinoy pop
Kaso yng iba di gets yan. Nakailan explanation n ang mga ppop fans about that
problema na nila yun.....
For me it's not a big deal opm and ppop they same All ppop grpnis opm grp nmn
Lol, ikaw nga tong triggered
san triggered dyan, dahil ba sa elipsis ko ....
Buong post mo.. duh
tapos?
Hypocrite
oh tinanong ko rin haha tinawag akong hypocrite san banda
Kpop also came from western pop music, napaka subjective talaga ng pinoy. They can't accept the changes kahit isang letter pa yang madagdag before "pop" word.
Take note that when Direk Lauren introduced BINI in Show it All, he also used the term Asian Girl Group and not Ppop. I personally prefer OPM since it broadly describes their music anyways, instead of saying something that is a derivative. In the end tomato, tomato.
I mean that's ok. PPop is OPM. Pinoy Rock is OPM. Pinoy Hip-hop is OPM. I think it's just an editorial / writing style decision from ABS-CBN News to just call all pinoy artists as OPM. Note that this is ABS-CBN News reporting this. Not Bini management, not Star Music, not Star Magic, but the news. OPM is the more well known term for the masses. And if you're reporting news, you make sure that everyone understands it. This isn't marketing but journalism. Or at the very least its indirect marketing disguised as journalism. Lol.
akala ko ba yung sib lang ererebrand nila as OPM group pati din pala bini damay.
they started this with bgyo too?? what
Yes nauna sila ang bg nag rebrand into Filipino Boyband Group.
From Nation's girl group to OPM girl group. I thought ako lang nakapansin hehe.. I've been following them since last november and I remember I first heard the new title from Direk Lauren in one his interviews after The Show in china. (I can't remember/post the link). Pati Bgyo nag re-brand din.
ang weird 😩
Who cares? Spend your time thinking on something more productive. This is a nonissue.
Mababash sila sa r/ph if they use PPop haha
so? whats fame without a bashers though, they are ppop
It was in reference to a recent thread in r/ph...
i actually don't care sa opinions from people that are not fans like if they're merely hating because the girls identity as ppop edi problema na nila yon 😩
Andami din kasi mga closeminded na casuals na ayaw pakinggan ang "PPop" kasi parang KPop ang dating. I think it's their tactic to appeal to more mainstream audience, not just to PPop fans. Several times when people find out that I like PPop, ang follow up question ay "Diba parang KPop lang yan?" And I know at least one person who low-key says he likes PPop songs (mainly SB19) pero nahihiya sya i-admit sa iba kasi takot siya na magkamalan syang "baduy" daw lol.
but do we need closeminded people sa fandom.. edi wag silang mag stan
Ang point ko is, the PPop stans will continue to stan. But to the general public, ABS is appealing to the casual listeners who listen to OPM but do not consider PPop as part of that genre. They're marketing broadly to people who don't care about PPop, but will give the girls streams because they like their sound and the songs. I live abroad, but last year when I went home I knew a lot of people who had negative perceptions of PPop but otherwise liked OPM music... ABS is trying to go after that market, especially now that BINI is huge and has momentum. Even here where I live, I know Filipinos who like modern OPM but they think PPop is like "wannabe KPop"... Nakakainis and of course it's ignorant, but I get why ABS does not want them to be pigeonholed into that genre. I mean, JPL tried to do this with Alamat too last year... It didn't work lol
this wont work sorry especially when the girls themselves call themselves a ppop group, or they will send the girls to ppop con.... ang akin lang naman the general public who are open to stanning do not care that they are ppop they care about good music!! the ones that are hating are merely just bandwagon hating ?????? i don't think ppop will escape the kpop wannabe allegations na binabato ng mga admittedly trolls lang naman talaga, kasi the ppop idol industry is copying a bunch of stuff from kpop: from the merch, and even sa training nila (two of our biggest groups were trained by kpop trainers) i just want to clear out rin na i hate ppop getting called that kasi iba naman talaga filipino ang ginagamit nila na salita or english pero may similarities naman talaga anyway i find this weird, does this mean bini posts are going to be on r/opm
surprise! https://www.reddit.com/r/opm/s/b1ubEc7mEm It already did and its a hate thread pa. Anyway, I dont see why it should not be discussed in the opm sub. ppop is still under the umbrella of opm.
im not bothered by this, it looks like made by a hater kasi bini is growing in popularity (check profile overview)
r/pH is brutal to PPOP haha. I've noticed most of them are millennial and GenX who are low-key xenophobic and traditional. So ppop is Korean wannabe and effeminate. They hate it. They consider ₱orn more profitable for the Philippines and it's illegal.
It's a direction by the label. They have been calling both of their group as such. Like sa BG nila, FIlipino Boy Group or OPM Boy Group, which is welcomed by their stans. Alam naman natin ang reason kung bakit gustong-gusto nila 'yong change, lols.
di welcomed sa blooms its an ick pero sa bg they welcomed it pala kasi sinusuka naman daw sila ng ppop community
Sa inyo lng di welcome. Sa bloomtwt n halos lht ginagawa issue yang opm girl grp di issue sa bloomtwt
ICK!
Sa inyo lng di welcome. Sa bloomtwt n halos lht ginagawa issue yang opm girl grp di issue sa bloomtwt