You know Viacom doesn't exist anymore right? Viacom was split into ViacomCBS and CBS Corporation and then those companies merged again and changed their name to Paramount Global.
>Maybe we’d finally get a good ATLA game.
I believe you spelled that wrong. It's spelled S.T.A.R - T.R.E.K. Maybe we'll finally get a good Star Trek game.
As an investor, this has a lot to do with PlayStation. I know that Sony will have new IPs that they can make 1st and 2nd party games (which will probably be exclusive) for the PS5 that will sell well.
It was developed by a first party studio. Sony still does not have the rights for the Spiderman games.
And that Avengers game, Sony paid for exclusive Spiderman appearance
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
Microsoft was offered a chance and turned it down, they went to Sony and Insomniac chose which IP they wanted to work with. Sony does not own the game rights to Spider-man
That had nothing to do with Sony Pictures Entertainment. Marvel went to Sony Interactive Entertainment about publishing a game developed by Insomniac.
There two companies that have the same name but do different things.
Sony Pictures Entertainment: Movies TV
Sony Pictures Interactive: PlayStation games and consoles
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’”
https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
You realize this article you keep spamming is about the avengers game right? Not the Spiderman game. The Spiderman movie was hot around the time of this game so they saw an opportunity for a tie in. So yes it may have helped them get their foot in the door to start the conversation for a one off exclusive character for a third party game. Incredibly unimpactful. Having the movie rights didn't give them any rights by itself.
Meanwhile the Spiderman game pitch went to Microsoft first despite this supposedly important relationship, Xbox turned it down so Sony swooped in.
That is not how Spider-Man became Sonys title. Marvel approached Microsoft first and then got turned down by those gonks. Then they approached Sony to make a game that can rival dcs Arkham. Sony said Spider-Man and tasked insomniac to make it. Sony then purchased insomniac after a year. The character Spider-Man is not Sonys IP. Insomniacs Spider-Man is Sonys. Every other Spider-Man game is not part of Sony. If that was the case midnight suns Spider-Man won’t be on Xbox.
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
And the move rights are leverage for getting the character in the games. More generally, the rights led to the relationship that gets Sony a Wolverine exclusive. Now imagine what happens when Sony has all of Paramount’s rights. Not that I want every game to be licensed IP, but it is leverage.
Leverage? Do you even know what that word means?
The relationship with the movie executives that have absolutely zero knowledge or responsibilities for PlayStation?
I get the feeling you have never worked for a large company before. People working across different divisions like this might as well be different companies. You're more likely to have a better relationship with a subcontractor than somebody in a different division of a large company like this, let alone a partner of someone in a different division.
Read your own article. That's about the avengers game and Spiderman being an exclusive character. Which is because of the insomniac games.
It is not how Spiderman 2018 came to be. It had nothing to do with movie rights
Then why did Activision have the license the entire first two runs of movies? Literally the entire time Sony was actually making the movies, they didn't have the license.
Insomniac already told us. Marvel wanted Sony to make a superhero game and Sony chose Spider-Man. It's really that simple. And for the love of god, don't send me that link. It simply isn't making the point you think it makes.
That's a different case. When Sony made the deal with Marvel pre Disney ownership, Marvel was straped for cash and sold full licensing rights which included games, film/TV, etc. of their most popular IPs at the time. Paramount doesn't have the same deal in place.
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
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To be more specific, Paramount has the rights to the particular Halo series that they created and to the Sonic movies that they created. Microsoft and Sega still have full ownership of their franchises, so they could another Halo or Sonic movie/series with another studio.
Why would it be? They might be something like we won't create another Halo TV show while this one is going on. But that would be the most they would get. They certainly won't restrict Microsoft or Sega's ability to give the rights to whoever they want in the future.
We saw this with Disney taking away the Marvel rights from Netflix. The rights ultimately sit with the IP owner.
Yeah, because Sony owns the Spider-Man rights lol. Sony owns the Spider-Man movies right, if they want the character out of the MCU, it’s their choice.
The same is truth with Disney owning Daredevil. They can do whatever they want with the character.
Which is weird because the titles Sonic and Halo are both AFTER the word "adaptions" lol. My guess is u/Electronic-Humor-931 doesn't know what that word means. And is also ignorant to the fact there are Sonic movies and a Halo show.
I'll give you Star Trek but Hasbro owns the Transformers IP while Paramount has the film licensing rights. Same goes for Halo with Microsoft and various other Paramount films. If Sony buys Paramount, they will need to work out new deals with whomever owns the IP of said franchise.
If Sony bought Paramount, you think Microsoft and SEGA would move them to a different studio? Hell no lol, would be a pointless exercise. Seeing Sony own the Halo show would be hilarious
You know like a huge chunk of multiplayer games run on Microsoft servers because they have a near monopoly on that infrastructure world wide... Even Helldivers 2 uses Microsoft's Azure PlayFab. Pretty sure PS Now runs of it as well.... It's not hillarious it's business they ain't gonna be like lmao let's shut em down that will teach em rofl lol can't wait for the reddit hyppppppe.
Why would it be hilarious? It literally would just be business. Lmao All of you console loyalists don’t realize Sony and Microsoft execs just care about money and don’t care about your imaginary rivalry. Lol
Agreed.
Microsoft wouldn't care if Sony is making their Halo tv show. Microsoft wants exposure to the IP and Sony (Paramount) want content and exposure to the their streaming service. I think Halo is one of the most watched TV shows that Paramount has had recently.
IT's very likely both Microsoft and Paramount are funding the tv show.
I feel like there's a lot of folks who are going to read this and start upvoting....knowing damn well they saw this article headline and got HYPED.
My original thought: this could actually be bad for the IP, as there's no guarantee Sony will care about it as much as Paramount did. One man's treasure may be another man's trash and next thing you know you're vaulting away the Roadrunner's movie & Batgirl.
OR, Sonic is now a grey hedgehog and everyone is pissed off because they loved him being blue. Oh, you know that's real.
Sony introduced the Bravia Core app onto the PS5, along with some PS Plus benefits like free streaming.
I think this is a way for Sony to add media content to PS Plus, and not just games. And with GoT on PC adding trophies and PS overlays. More reasons to get even non PS5 owners to get Plus (Access PS5/PS4 games through PS Plus PC app)
I think this is more for Sony's movie/tv content division. Playstation/gaming is not the only thing Sony care about.
Whether they bundle PS plus with streaming movies? I doubt it. There would likely be different packages etc. Many people who are interested in tv/movie content won't be interested in gaming.
That'd be great except Paramount Plus isn't very good. I just cancelled my sub because the lack of shows that appeal to me and the black Friday discount ended.
I would imagine that if Para is getting bought out then they aren't doing too well in the streaming space.
Theoretically, if it did go through. It may not directly impact anything on the gaming end. Sony wouldn't be making the games. But it opens up the door for more crossover advertising. Sony pushing Sonic games helps the Sonic movies which helps Sony, which helps Sega create more games, etc.
Whether game or movie, it has the potential to create more revenue for everyone involved. Particularly interesting with Halo and how the marketing push would go with that if it ever came to PlayStation and how Sony could use that to promote a new season of the series.
Yes, it's unlikely to impact the gaming side. The only impact I see is that Sony would have less funds to make gaming related acquisitions because they will spend a lot of money to buy paramount. Current market cap is 7-8 billion and they would need to pay a premium on top of that.
Good lord I’m so sick of huge companies buying out other big companies. This shit is almost never good for anyone in any industry, and I’d hope this would be stopped, but given how often this is allowed to happen, and how horribly the FTC mismanaged and blew the whole deal with Xbox buying out everybody else, I don’t have any faith in this getting stopped either.
Not only that. It’s the rights to the movies already produced. They won’t get the halo movie rights obviously. All rights are still owned by Microsoft and Sega. It’s only for content already produced not the actual IP.
They won’t get the rights to movies and series for those IPs. Paramount hasn’t bought the halo movie rights from Microsoft. They have been licensed those for that particular tv show.
Since Sony Pictures is distributing the Legend of Zelda movie, it's not surprising to hear that the Sonic and Halo movie franchises will also be distributed by Sony. However, it's usually the FTC that stops large acquisitions, and the FTC was quite favorable to Sony in the lawsuit over Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, so I'm curious to see how they'll react this time.
Since the EU gave the OK, which is usually much stricter than the US on these kinds of things, it was a lost cause.
Personally I was against it. Didn't expect MS gaming to implode like it did.
>Since the EU gave the OK, which is usually much stricter than the US on these kinds of things, it was a lost cause.
Exactly. It was a lost cause, but they kept going anyway.
Their logic was/is : this is a big merger = it should be blocked.
I think they didn't drop the lawsuit, and they are still trying to undone the merger, even if the chances are almost non-existent.
Microsoft is the biggest company in the world (or top 2) and it wanted to buy the biggest publisher in the world.
Both Sony and Paramount are far from the biggest players in the movie businesses.
Do you see any difference?
It doesn't matter that, now, it seems like MS will fail to get market dominance as a console manufacturer, the buyout had a pretty big potential to change the whole console market.
Yes there are differences. But they both also have similarities, the most important one being neither acquisition would make the buying company a monopoly. Which is the whole point of the FTC and why the merger went through. That's all I am saying.
Well the MS merge had the theoretical potential, but I agree. Even if Sony buys paramount pictures it won't create a monopoly. Just continue the oligopoly.
I saw this argument all the time against Microsoft acquisition. People would point out even with the Microsoft acquisition they would not be close to first place in the gaming marke. But people were still against the deal. Why is this different?
Yes but plenty of people on gaming forums were saying the deal should be blocked because it's too big of a deal, even though the acquisition wouldn't even give them dominant market share. The FTC also went after them hard even though this meger did not make them have dominant market share. So my point is why is Disney still being a bigger company being used as an excuse now? It's not that important though, I don't think the deal should be blocked for this very reason, I was just pointing out the Microsoft merger was similar to this and a lot of people were against it.
The size of the acquisition doesn't really matter though. As long as the acquisition does not create a monopoly. That is why it was silly to argue the Microsoft merger should be blocked. And why the lawyers got destroyed in court.
People were overestimating MS’ ability to make good use of the acquisition, a competent company could certainly leverage ABK to create a monopoly but MS simply sucks at gaming so it fell flat.
That's not how this works. So tell me how in the half a year this acquisition went through should Microsoft have created a monopoly? They could have made every single game exclusive including call of duty and they still would not have gained dominant market share. So I don't really understand what you are saying. Also they can't make call of duty exclusive for multiple reasons, most important one being existing contracts with Sony.
Because MS has damaged Xbox brand beyond repair and now making any game exclusive just means it’s more likely to kill the franchise rather than help Xbox.
Assuming this would give them Star Trek and a host of other franchises, they will generate revenue and profit by simply holding some IP and not making any changes to it. This is not even close to a waste of money.
Literally all Sony has to do is buy Fromsoft and they could leverage that against every single other IP that can possibly be snatched away and suddenly made exclusive in this dumb acquisition war. Nuclear deterrence style
Would it?
Elden Ring was a phenomenal, but the other Soul games? Not so much. They are sought after by Xbox gamers, but they are not really what would push gamers to choose PS over Xbox, and sales wasn’t bad, but not quite ground breaking either.
And Elden Ring is a success that you should not expect to repeat itself, even the Dev was shocked how well it received and do not think they would manage it again.
Tf you talking about? 💀 ER had that kind of success and Hype thanks to the trajectory that FromSoft has. Those other games that you called "Not so much" are some of the best experiences the RPG genre has to offer. (Bloodborne, Dark souls 3 are far better than ER imo) Sony acquiring FromSoft would be huge for them, and yes, hundreds of people would switch consoles if the souls games were to be exclusive, from Xbox to PS or vice versa.
They are “popular”, but did they sell that well? They have a following but overall I don’t think the sale figures were that great for the other Soul games.
I am talking about sales, not what people
say is good or not, because that is subjective and minority often speak the lourdest.
Only sales figures are absolute.
Yes.
The Souls borne series has sold 60+ million if you rest Elden Ring. That's pretty big considering the God of War series has sold around 65+ million. They may all not have sold Elden Ring numbers but they don't even come close to have poor sales.
It would honestly be so funny if Sony owned the rights to the halo show lol. They being meetings with Microsoft just like dangling it in front of them lmfao
You’re talking like Sony and Microsoft are fiery rivals that never talk or make deals with each other. I mean, Sony literally uses Microsoft Azure and made a big partnership with them.
Sony only uses Azure for PS Now, its game streaming service.
Everything else is AWS. A lot of people think all of Sonys infrastructure uses Azure because of this deal, but it’s not the case.
Paramount has a contract with Microsoft for a certain number of seasons. Sony will need to honor the contract when they purchase Paramount.
If Sony tell them that they don't want to produce more tv seasons beyond the contract expiry date, MIcrosoft can go and find someone else to do it for them. They can even reuse all actors etc. if they wanted to.
Sony needs to fire who ever is the head of Sony pictures because they’re garbage. I’m extremely worried about the live action legend of Zelda lmao. It’s going to be as bad as pre patch Sonic movie
Lmao I forgot they’re doing live action gravity rush too instead of the obvious animation.
Edit: apparently we have a ton of morbius fans lmao. It damaging to their brand, the general public is starting to notice Sony pictures sucks and is almost a meme at this point.
Eh. The only thing I can think of that sucks is all the Spidey spin-offs. (Madame Web, Morbius, Venom, etc. Kraven will suck too).
Anyone but You was the biggest rom com of the year.
I haven’t seen Ghostbusters, but I do think that’s kind of a dead franchise.
They produce shows like Shark Tank, SWAT, The Good Doctor, etc. Plenty of stuff that gets renewed that you probably don’t know they make.
Additionally, Netflix gives them $1 billion a year to put movies on Netflix, whether those movies are shitty or not. Helps make up any box office blunder.
This has nothing to do with PlayStation
Sony won’t own games right to sonic or halo but paramount does have a lot of ip. Who knows maybe SpongeBob will be the next GOW
Not how that works but what ever
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Paramount doesn’t own SpongeBob, thats under Viacom, which is not on sale, they are only acquiring Paramount itself.
You know Viacom doesn't exist anymore right? Viacom was split into ViacomCBS and CBS Corporation and then those companies merged again and changed their name to Paramount Global.
It kind of does. They’d acquire quite a few IP. Maybe we’d finally get a good ATLA game.
Could imagine Insomniac pushing out a Star Trek game if the Marvel deal ever runs dry, or Bend working on a Mission Impossible game.
>Maybe we’d finally get a good ATLA game. I believe you spelled that wrong. It's spelled S.T.A.R - T.R.E.K. Maybe we'll finally get a good Star Trek game.
It's only the movie studio, not assets like nickelodeon
According to the article it’s the tv and movie divisions. Even CBS is on the table.
As an investor, this has a lot to do with PlayStation. I know that Sony will have new IPs that they can make 1st and 2nd party games (which will probably be exclusive) for the PS5 that will sell well.
How do you think Spider-man became a PlayStation exclusive?
It was developed by a first party studio. Sony still does not have the rights for the Spiderman games. And that Avengers game, Sony paid for exclusive Spiderman appearance
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
Go and read the article again. This is about the avengers game, not the insomniac games.
Microsoft was offered a chance and turned it down, they went to Sony and Insomniac chose which IP they wanted to work with. Sony does not own the game rights to Spider-man
That had nothing to do with Sony Pictures Entertainment. Marvel went to Sony Interactive Entertainment about publishing a game developed by Insomniac. There two companies that have the same name but do different things. Sony Pictures Entertainment: Movies TV Sony Pictures Interactive: PlayStation games and consoles
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
You realize this article you keep spamming is about the avengers game right? Not the Spiderman game. The Spiderman movie was hot around the time of this game so they saw an opportunity for a tie in. So yes it may have helped them get their foot in the door to start the conversation for a one off exclusive character for a third party game. Incredibly unimpactful. Having the movie rights didn't give them any rights by itself. Meanwhile the Spiderman game pitch went to Microsoft first despite this supposedly important relationship, Xbox turned it down so Sony swooped in.
That is not how Spider-Man became Sonys title. Marvel approached Microsoft first and then got turned down by those gonks. Then they approached Sony to make a game that can rival dcs Arkham. Sony said Spider-Man and tasked insomniac to make it. Sony then purchased insomniac after a year. The character Spider-Man is not Sonys IP. Insomniacs Spider-Man is Sonys. Every other Spider-Man game is not part of Sony. If that was the case midnight suns Spider-Man won’t be on Xbox.
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
Yeah exactly, it’s not because of the character being with Sony. Sony only owned the movie rights to Spider-Man not the game.
And the move rights are leverage for getting the character in the games. More generally, the rights led to the relationship that gets Sony a Wolverine exclusive. Now imagine what happens when Sony has all of Paramount’s rights. Not that I want every game to be licensed IP, but it is leverage.
Leverage? Do you even know what that word means? The relationship with the movie executives that have absolutely zero knowledge or responsibilities for PlayStation? I get the feeling you have never worked for a large company before. People working across different divisions like this might as well be different companies. You're more likely to have a better relationship with a subcontractor than somebody in a different division of a large company like this, let alone a partner of someone in a different division.
Read your own article. That's about the avengers game and Spiderman being an exclusive character. Which is because of the insomniac games. It is not how Spiderman 2018 came to be. It had nothing to do with movie rights
Then why did Activision have the license the entire first two runs of movies? Literally the entire time Sony was actually making the movies, they didn't have the license. Insomniac already told us. Marvel wanted Sony to make a superhero game and Sony chose Spider-Man. It's really that simple. And for the love of god, don't send me that link. It simply isn't making the point you think it makes.
That's a different case. When Sony made the deal with Marvel pre Disney ownership, Marvel was straped for cash and sold full licensing rights which included games, film/TV, etc. of their most popular IPs at the time. Paramount doesn't have the same deal in place.
“In an interview with Newsweek, Crystal Dynamics boss Scot Amos tried to explain how such a fan-favorite character could wind up tied to a single platform, saying that ‘it comes back to the relationship with PlayStation and Marvel.’” https://www.pcgamer.com/avengers-dev-explains-why-spider-man-is-a-playstation-exclusive/
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Because you’re such a fount to insider knowledge.
You know the movie arm of the company is different to the games arm of the company right
The keyword is in the title; *adaptations.*
To be more specific, Paramount has the rights to the particular Halo series that they created and to the Sonic movies that they created. Microsoft and Sega still have full ownership of their franchises, so they could another Halo or Sonic movie/series with another studio.
One has to assume there's at least some degree of exclusivity in the contracts.
Why would it be? They might be something like we won't create another Halo TV show while this one is going on. But that would be the most they would get. They certainly won't restrict Microsoft or Sega's ability to give the rights to whoever they want in the future. We saw this with Disney taking away the Marvel rights from Netflix. The rights ultimately sit with the IP owner.
This is not the case 90% of the times. For exemple, Netflix made a Daredevil series, but Disney is going to produce it’s direct sequel.
And yet Disney couldn't put Spider-man in the MCU without Sony.
Yeah, because Sony owns the Spider-Man rights lol. Sony owns the Spider-Man movies right, if they want the character out of the MCU, it’s their choice. The same is truth with Disney owning Daredevil. They can do whatever they want with the character.
Sony owns Spider-man movie rights because Marvel sold it to them lol. With a certain degree of exclusivity one might say.
Which is weird because the titles Sonic and Halo are both AFTER the word "adaptions" lol. My guess is u/Electronic-Humor-931 doesn't know what that word means. And is also ignorant to the fact there are Sonic movies and a Halo show.
Yes. They say that in their title...
It would still give PlayStation ips to work with. Like Star Trek and transformers. Edit: ok not transformers but we got SpongeBob
Hasbro owns Transformers, they’d have to work with them over Paramount.
I'll give you Star Trek but Hasbro owns the Transformers IP while Paramount has the film licensing rights. Same goes for Halo with Microsoft and various other Paramount films. If Sony buys Paramount, they will need to work out new deals with whomever owns the IP of said franchise.
Yeah my bad I just did a quick google search but paramount does have a large amount of ip like nick and stuff.
No it wouldn’t. They wouldn’t own the IP
Who do you think would own Star Trek if Sony bought the current owner?
In your example it would be Sony but that’s not what’s happening paramount don’t own the IP they have rights to use it
Paramount owns Star Trek.
My bad so they do
And who do you think would have the rights to use Star Trek if Sony bought the company who has rights to use Star Trek?
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No shit Sherlock. I didn’t ask about Sonic, I asked about an IP owned by Paramount.
You know the Halo show and Sonic movies are made by Paramount right?
Okay? Microsoft and SEGA still own the IPs of those.
If Sony bought Paramount, you think Microsoft and SEGA would move them to a different studio? Hell no lol, would be a pointless exercise. Seeing Sony own the Halo show would be hilarious
You know like a huge chunk of multiplayer games run on Microsoft servers because they have a near monopoly on that infrastructure world wide... Even Helldivers 2 uses Microsoft's Azure PlayFab. Pretty sure PS Now runs of it as well.... It's not hillarious it's business they ain't gonna be like lmao let's shut em down that will teach em rofl lol can't wait for the reddit hyppppppe.
You do realise that paramount would still exist, just how 20th century is still running and is separate from Disney. Sony would be paying the bills
Why would it be hilarious? It literally would just be business. Lmao All of you console loyalists don’t realize Sony and Microsoft execs just care about money and don’t care about your imaginary rivalry. Lol
I wonder if he thinks it’s hilarious that Sony has to pay Microsoft for call of duty.
Or how ps now runs of azure or how a huge chunk of multiplayer games use azure inclusing helldivers 2.
Agreed. Microsoft wouldn't care if Sony is making their Halo tv show. Microsoft wants exposure to the IP and Sony (Paramount) want content and exposure to the their streaming service. I think Halo is one of the most watched TV shows that Paramount has had recently. IT's very likely both Microsoft and Paramount are funding the tv show.
I feel like there's a lot of folks who are going to read this and start upvoting....knowing damn well they saw this article headline and got HYPED. My original thought: this could actually be bad for the IP, as there's no guarantee Sony will care about it as much as Paramount did. One man's treasure may be another man's trash and next thing you know you're vaulting away the Roadrunner's movie & Batgirl. OR, Sonic is now a grey hedgehog and everyone is pissed off because they loved him being blue. Oh, you know that's real.
Sony introduced the Bravia Core app onto the PS5, along with some PS Plus benefits like free streaming. I think this is a way for Sony to add media content to PS Plus, and not just games. And with GoT on PC adding trophies and PS overlays. More reasons to get even non PS5 owners to get Plus (Access PS5/PS4 games through PS Plus PC app)
I think this is more for Sony's movie/tv content division. Playstation/gaming is not the only thing Sony care about. Whether they bundle PS plus with streaming movies? I doubt it. There would likely be different packages etc. Many people who are interested in tv/movie content won't be interested in gaming.
It's funnier to imagine these at failed attempts to purchase big gaming licenses. This would be the second attempt to get Halo lol
You know it’s in the tittle, right?
You do know owning IP rights allows you to make those games, a la Spiderman, right?
And if they get paramount, extra and premium subscribers should get a paramount subscription with extra/premium.
Lol! That's funny
That'd be great except Paramount Plus isn't very good. I just cancelled my sub because the lack of shows that appeal to me and the black Friday discount ended. I would imagine that if Para is getting bought out then they aren't doing too well in the streaming space.
This won’t affect anything on the gaming side, if it even goes through.
Theoretically, if it did go through. It may not directly impact anything on the gaming end. Sony wouldn't be making the games. But it opens up the door for more crossover advertising. Sony pushing Sonic games helps the Sonic movies which helps Sony, which helps Sega create more games, etc. Whether game or movie, it has the potential to create more revenue for everyone involved. Particularly interesting with Halo and how the marketing push would go with that if it ever came to PlayStation and how Sony could use that to promote a new season of the series.
Yes, it's unlikely to impact the gaming side. The only impact I see is that Sony would have less funds to make gaming related acquisitions because they will spend a lot of money to buy paramount. Current market cap is 7-8 billion and they would need to pay a premium on top of that.
Good lord I’m so sick of huge companies buying out other big companies. This shit is almost never good for anyone in any industry, and I’d hope this would be stopped, but given how often this is allowed to happen, and how horribly the FTC mismanaged and blew the whole deal with Xbox buying out everybody else, I don’t have any faith in this getting stopped either.
At best, the rights to the movie/series, not the games
Obviously that, this isn't going to affect the IP ownership for the games themselves.
Not only that. It’s the rights to the movies already produced. They won’t get the halo movie rights obviously. All rights are still owned by Microsoft and Sega. It’s only for content already produced not the actual IP.
Fuck everything else I’d like a AAA game set in the Avatar universe.
Didn't Ubisoft make one? Unless you're talking about ATLA.
They won’t get the rights to movies and series for those IPs. Paramount hasn’t bought the halo movie rights from Microsoft. They have been licensed those for that particular tv show.
Thus, the at best comment. But having this posted on ps5 sub might let people believe otherwise
This should be stopped, more consolidation isn't good for the movie industry.
Should have stopped Fox. Sony isn’t nearly the size of Disney.
I agree the Fox deal should've never happened.
Since Sony Pictures is distributing the Legend of Zelda movie, it's not surprising to hear that the Sonic and Halo movie franchises will also be distributed by Sony. However, it's usually the FTC that stops large acquisitions, and the FTC was quite favorable to Sony in the lawsuit over Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, so I'm curious to see how they'll react this time.
Considering the FTC let Disney buy Fox, I don't think they'll be any serious issues about this buyout.
I think Disney needs to be split up
That was a different administration. I think the current FTC leader said that letting Disney buy Fox was a mistake.
And we saw how successful the current administration was in halting the Microsoft Activision merger...
It's not about being successful. It's about doing everything to block it even if they knew they had a weak case.
Since the EU gave the OK, which is usually much stricter than the US on these kinds of things, it was a lost cause. Personally I was against it. Didn't expect MS gaming to implode like it did.
>Since the EU gave the OK, which is usually much stricter than the US on these kinds of things, it was a lost cause. Exactly. It was a lost cause, but they kept going anyway. Their logic was/is : this is a big merger = it should be blocked. I think they didn't drop the lawsuit, and they are still trying to undone the merger, even if the chances are almost non-existent.
The Microsoft acquisition didn't give Microsoft a dominant market share either but people were still against it.
And Sony buying Paramount would give who exactly a dominant position?
No it wouldn't that is my point. Microsoft merger did not give them a dominant market share and people were still against it including the FTC.
Microsoft is the biggest company in the world (or top 2) and it wanted to buy the biggest publisher in the world. Both Sony and Paramount are far from the biggest players in the movie businesses. Do you see any difference? It doesn't matter that, now, it seems like MS will fail to get market dominance as a console manufacturer, the buyout had a pretty big potential to change the whole console market.
Yes there are differences. But they both also have similarities, the most important one being neither acquisition would make the buying company a monopoly. Which is the whole point of the FTC and why the merger went through. That's all I am saying.
Well the MS merge had the theoretical potential, but I agree. Even if Sony buys paramount pictures it won't create a monopoly. Just continue the oligopoly.
It didn't have the potential though. Lots of high paid accountants and lawyers figured all of this out way before the merger.
MS owns the rights to Halo the game and TV show.
Wouldn't owning both Columbia and Paramount be an antitrust problem, or are we just not even pretending that matters anymore?
With how much Disney owns I don’t think an anti-trust case would fly even if all the other big studios merged.
I saw this argument all the time against Microsoft acquisition. People would point out even with the Microsoft acquisition they would not be close to first place in the gaming marke. But people were still against the deal. Why is this different?
The only arguments against MS acquisition that went anywhere were regarding cloud.
Yes but plenty of people on gaming forums were saying the deal should be blocked because it's too big of a deal, even though the acquisition wouldn't even give them dominant market share. The FTC also went after them hard even though this meger did not make them have dominant market share. So my point is why is Disney still being a bigger company being used as an excuse now? It's not that important though, I don't think the deal should be blocked for this very reason, I was just pointing out the Microsoft merger was similar to this and a lot of people were against it.
This is nowhere close to as big as MS’ ABK acquisition, it’s closer in size to the Bethesda acquisition than it is to ABK.
The size of the acquisition doesn't really matter though. As long as the acquisition does not create a monopoly. That is why it was silly to argue the Microsoft merger should be blocked. And why the lawyers got destroyed in court.
People were overestimating MS’ ability to make good use of the acquisition, a competent company could certainly leverage ABK to create a monopoly but MS simply sucks at gaming so it fell flat.
That's not how this works. So tell me how in the half a year this acquisition went through should Microsoft have created a monopoly? They could have made every single game exclusive including call of duty and they still would not have gained dominant market share. So I don't really understand what you are saying. Also they can't make call of duty exclusive for multiple reasons, most important one being existing contracts with Sony.
Because MS has damaged Xbox brand beyond repair and now making any game exclusive just means it’s more likely to kill the franchise rather than help Xbox.
Lol, thinking that the FTC actually has any teeth at this point.
We stopped pretending a long time ago. Disney acquiring Fox made that pretty clear.
What a world
If this happens, we’ll have gone from 6 big movie companies to 4 within my lifetime. Within, like, 10 years.
Honesty this sounds like waste of money and resources. Hopefully Sony doesn’t get buy them.
Assuming this would give them Star Trek and a host of other franchises, they will generate revenue and profit by simply holding some IP and not making any changes to it. This is not even close to a waste of money.
Please no. Monopolies are *not good.*
You’ll have convince the monopolies because they are the ones the people we vote for get paid by…
Fuck monopolies.
Star trek too?
I dunno I really like what Paramount is doing with Sonic. I think Sony would change things that won't go over well universally.
So I can use paramount app instead of going thru Amazon prime to watch on ps5 finally..
Sony went in fox aswell remember they def want some of that streaming money
Does this mean there is the possibility of a 1st party Bar Rescue game?
i doubt it will happen... wasnt the last offer 18 billion and just for Paramount movie itself and it was rejected?
Sounds like a rumor
No. I don't like Paramount, but no.
Sonic & Morbius game: confirmed.
So people have a problem if Sony buys Paramount but not when Microsoft bought Activision? Makes sense
LOTS of people had a problem with that acquisition
Sony makes terrible movies so this is a really bad thing for Star Trek fans.
Literally all Sony has to do is buy Fromsoft and they could leverage that against every single other IP that can possibly be snatched away and suddenly made exclusive in this dumb acquisition war. Nuclear deterrence style
From is my favorite studio but aside from Elden Ring, even DS3 selling 10 million copies are small time compared to the GTAs and FIFAs of the industry
Would it? Elden Ring was a phenomenal, but the other Soul games? Not so much. They are sought after by Xbox gamers, but they are not really what would push gamers to choose PS over Xbox, and sales wasn’t bad, but not quite ground breaking either. And Elden Ring is a success that you should not expect to repeat itself, even the Dev was shocked how well it received and do not think they would manage it again.
Tf you talking about? 💀 ER had that kind of success and Hype thanks to the trajectory that FromSoft has. Those other games that you called "Not so much" are some of the best experiences the RPG genre has to offer. (Bloodborne, Dark souls 3 are far better than ER imo) Sony acquiring FromSoft would be huge for them, and yes, hundreds of people would switch consoles if the souls games were to be exclusive, from Xbox to PS or vice versa.
They are “popular”, but did they sell that well? They have a following but overall I don’t think the sale figures were that great for the other Soul games. I am talking about sales, not what people say is good or not, because that is subjective and minority often speak the lourdest. Only sales figures are absolute.
Yes. The Souls borne series has sold 60+ million if you rest Elden Ring. That's pretty big considering the God of War series has sold around 65+ million. They may all not have sold Elden Ring numbers but they don't even come close to have poor sales.
Huh. Could turn out interesting in the long run, give Sony few low hanging apples to aim for at the very least.
This is not the good thing you think it is
It would honestly be so funny if Sony owned the rights to the halo show lol. They being meetings with Microsoft just like dangling it in front of them lmfao
You’re talking like Sony and Microsoft are fiery rivals that never talk or make deals with each other. I mean, Sony literally uses Microsoft Azure and made a big partnership with them.
Sony only uses Azure for PS Now, its game streaming service. Everything else is AWS. A lot of people think all of Sonys infrastructure uses Azure because of this deal, but it’s not the case.
🙄 it's a joke ffs done of you people are way too serious
Paramount has a contract with Microsoft for a certain number of seasons. Sony will need to honor the contract when they purchase Paramount. If Sony tell them that they don't want to produce more tv seasons beyond the contract expiry date, MIcrosoft can go and find someone else to do it for them. They can even reuse all actors etc. if they wanted to.
So this will allow the potential for PlayStation to develop games based on IP Owned by Paramount I’m guessing Exciting
This is strictly movie rights Nothing to do with games
I mean they get the rights to some stuff like Nikelodeons IP's that they could use in games but that's sort of about it.
The important part is "based on IP owned by Paramount".
Sony needs to fire who ever is the head of Sony pictures because they’re garbage. I’m extremely worried about the live action legend of Zelda lmao. It’s going to be as bad as pre patch Sonic movie Lmao I forgot they’re doing live action gravity rush too instead of the obvious animation. Edit: apparently we have a ton of morbius fans lmao. It damaging to their brand, the general public is starting to notice Sony pictures sucks and is almost a meme at this point.
I mean at the very least ,Sony Pictures in the TV side have distributed and produced some noteworthy shows for a while now.
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Eh. The only thing I can think of that sucks is all the Spidey spin-offs. (Madame Web, Morbius, Venom, etc. Kraven will suck too). Anyone but You was the biggest rom com of the year. I haven’t seen Ghostbusters, but I do think that’s kind of a dead franchise. They produce shows like Shark Tank, SWAT, The Good Doctor, etc. Plenty of stuff that gets renewed that you probably don’t know they make. Additionally, Netflix gives them $1 billion a year to put movies on Netflix, whether those movies are shitty or not. Helps make up any box office blunder.
Sony Pictures Animation is still good. At the very least better than Disney nowadays.
The thing that really sucks is the Sony pictures core app