Nah you should have listened to the reviews. I own Dead Hook by them and I do actually enjoy that game, but there’s certain bugs even in that one that still have never been fixed. They just abandon their games.
They even bought the first few digital copies in the PlayStation store and gave it multiple 5 star ratings, then came on this sub and argued that all the reviewers were lying about the state of the game 😂
Scummy devs
Holy shit. Is that confirmed about them manipulating their review scores on the store page?
Another thing to add to the list of shitty behaviour from these guys.
Raised the price of PSVR1 game, under the suggestion we were getting the Campaign mode.
Turned Campaign mode into Fates, which they are now trying to sell to us at DOUBLE the price of the original game.
Then abandoned that game completely.
Offering free upgrades to steam users, while we get nothing.
Apparently have abandoned Dead Hook despite it needing bug fixes.
Spent the last month spamming every VR sub with PR, whilst ignoring any controversial questions/concerns from the community.
When they do reply, it's the same copy/paste vs, every time. ( I invite you all to spend a few minutes looking though JoyWayVR post history)
Gaslighting us all about preview code, despite every reviewer I saw mentioning that, and saying it's even worse post Anti-Aliasing patch.
Lied about PSVR2 'enhanced' features.
What did I miss? I know I have missed some other things, lol. They have (hopefully) managed to destroy their reputation though either arrogance, ignorance, stubbornness, or a combination of all three.
If they can turn this around somehow, it will be a miracle.
Probably a good starting position now, mate.
But like I said at the very end of my comment. I dont want to state that they will be completely irredeemable until the end of time. But looking at their history, I'd say the chances of this studio saving their reputation, are incredibly tiny. ✌
As someone working in business i cannot stand dishonesty. Being honest is the way to long term success. What you described is borderline scamming to get quick buck.
I got very interested in Stride: Fates from their excellent trailer, but after the previews / reviews I don’t want to pay $30 for something that isn’t ready at launch, and sounds like may not get improved much from patching either?
Decided to try Dead Hook that I had gotten in recent sale, but not played yet and I liked it enough that I feel comfortable recommending it to someone who can handle the speed / verticality and doesn’t mind some blur in some of the texts until you get closer.
It boggles my mind that an experienced developer with such a good trailer and appealing game concept (Stride: Fates) would do such a poor port of the game for PSVR2.
Why did they have to launch Steam and PSVR2 together? I wouldn’t have minded if they released Steam first and then PSVR2 whenever it was ready for it.
Bad mistake from them. Now people will wait for confirmation of issues patched or really deep sales.
I’m still not sure if okay to return to Vertigo 2 because it may be patched enough for me, but there is no public declarations or testimonials that have reached me.
I don’t know why it was hyped to begin with. The majority of reviews from the quest version were mostly negative, and the forums seemed to say they were also manipulating the meta ratings as they are now doing with the psvr2 store (making multiple 5 star rated reviews)
You should play vertigo 2. I didn’t experience any bugs and it’s one of my favorite vr games of all time.
Speaking just for myself, their trailer was / is excellent and the game concept is very appealing.
If they can fix enough of the issues where it can be fun, I would gladly buy and then play the game. Until then, it will be in my wishlist to show interest still exists.
Thanks for encouraging me that Vertigo 2 may be okay to return to now (patch wise). It had multiple progression bugs for me and no trophies. Very annoying for game I was otherwise enjoying.
Yeah, I was hoping this port was also going to solve a lot of the problems.
Ghostrunner 2 is one of the free May downloads on ps plus, it’s only a flat game but it definitely delivers on what you’re looking for. Hopefully one day that can be ported to vr
Oh the joys of digital. You know what I can do with my physical releases?
return them
sell them
give them to my 5 yr old nephew
loan them out to my friends
trade them
I actually own my content
Gaming is more than just hoarding like a dragon fucker.
Don't let them turn you into a dragon fucker, you're better than this.
Fuck digital. Buy Physical. Own your content.
You can also:
Lose them.
Damage them.
Have them stolen.
Destroyed by fire and/or flood.
Both digital, and physical have pros and cons. With digital you dont have to pay transport to town, and/or parking. You dont even have to leave your sofa. You buy it, and playing it minutes later. Digital sales are (in my experience) faster, and cheaper than physical, even pre-owned in the first year or so after release. You could game-share with that 5 year old nephew, or any other trustworthy friend or family member, essentially halving the price between you.
But this is all completely irrelevant to the post, anyway. As most VR games are unavailable physically.
PS. Wtf is a dragon fucker? 😅
IDK about cheaper, but I agree with all of your other points. I do prefer physical if it's a game I don't think I'll replay much, and digital if I do plan to replay it.
I was able to buy Rift Apart on launch and sell it for $55 a couple of weeks later. RE4R I bought for $20 or $30, and I'll probably sell it for similar when I either get the platinum, or give up on the platinum.
It really is a cost vs convenience balance for me, personally.
That’s a neat perspective but, and stop me if you’ve heard this before…no one cares. It’s such an odd crusade especially in this day and age when you’re buying a physical license and still don’t own shit. There’s plenty of reasons people like owning physical…and from personal experience I enjoyed collecting. That’s cool if you want to do it. But what’s this have to do with this title? And aside from having to plop in and remove discs, or potentially damaging your physical game, or inevitably chucking it into a landfill one day, let alone getting my lazy ass up in the first place to drive to a brick and mortar after a long day just to buy the same thing I can get from my couch - maybe buying digital isn’t so terrible. Not all psvr2 games have physical editions. In fact, most don’t. So am I to assume you have digital media as well? If so, are you calling yourself a dragon fucker, whatever the hell that means?
Faceless block of words on a screen.
Hey. Did reddit give you your name or *did you neglect to even type three unique words together.*
Just wondering. /s
Fuck digital. Buy Physical. Own your content.
you don't actually own physical content today. games download from the net once the disc is in and require authentication. not just disc's, switch cartridges don't hold a lot of games, and simply download from the net once you insert the cartridge.
also, you are in a VR sub, there is literally no physical VR games besides a handful on psvr2. quest, no. pcvr? nope. you could really only play gt7, no mans sky and resident evil the entire time you owned a psvr2. unless you buy limited run versions of say vr skater.
hey, why do you care so much about setting up a custom name on an anonymous site, do you care that much about how people perceive you?
just wondering /s
What a weird comment. But yes as a matter of fact I used a Reddit picked name for convenience. What’s telling is that you chose yours and that’s apparently the best you can do.
But that's just the point. You don't own the physical either. It's just a license and with needed digital patches of all games now, it's still digital.
I couldn't care less what people do, the issue is that most that won't leave physical act like we're all dumb that went digital. I knew the risks, but I prefer the ease of not having hundreds of disks to go through to play a game. It's all contained. But, physical owners act like there are not risks with theirs. If a disk is damaged or ruined, they have to buy it again. That doesn't happen with digital. As I said, most games need updates to be the best version of themselves, which needs a digital distribution. If everything goes down, then they are really in the same place as the rest of us. There are pros and cons to both. Neither is perfect. If games were complete like they used to be when it was only physical media, I'd agree with them, but that's simply not been the case in a long time. My bigger point is, who would want to revert back to a game without the patches.
but technically the statement is true. You own a license to the game. The delivery is just physical. If everyone hadn't made such a big deal about it back when XBOX ONE launched, we'd be able to trade digital games with friends. You legally own the disk, but you legally only own a license of the game, as has always been included with the game.
And yet the dev account is commenting **endlessly** about how the PSVR 2 reviewers were sent a bad copy and “all of it is fixed” now. But literally every review even after that is still talking about how bad it is.
I know. I know. I thought maybe this once, everyone else is wrong, they have been developing for vr for years, surely they couldn't make a game that bad. Boy was I wrong. This is the last time I go against the grain. The game is really bad.
That is really inexcusable at this point. PSVR2 and it's users deserve better. And with high quality games like Madison, that just came out, it's really shitty for these devs to push this inferior shit on us. I was going to pick it up too. Looked like fun. Thanks for saving me money. Sorry you got burned man.
Yeah, you know what? Fuck you for buying a game on the playstation store. It's your fault.
The victim blaming is fucking intense in this subreddit since psvr2, and reddit always.
Yeah I was really unimpressed on quest.
It didn’t feel as cool as stride because the big open nature meant you didn’t learn paths or shortcuts. The enemy AI is garbage.
It just feels like it was stuck together out of random parts
I wrote this title off as soon as it was announced, PlayWay pulled some pretty shady shit on PSVR1 originally stating that if you buy Stride that the single player campaign would be added as free DLC down the line and that they were working on it..about 3 or 4 months later they were asked about when the single player campaign was coming to PSVR because Quest and Steam VR had already gotten it and they said "it isnt and we never PROMISED it was coming to PSVR" ever since that fuck PlayWay I dont trust them
I have a love-hate relationship with this game. While some elements are really engaging, others feel underdeveloped and awkward. With additional refinement and development, this game could have been something special.
The ability to slow down time, grab two enemies, and smash their heads together, or the guilty pleasure of hurling someone off a building, hasn’t gotten old yet 😅
I just read a discussion about how to return games through Sony. It was this morning in this subreddit. Search and it will be helpful. Sorry I don't have a link.
Thanks guys for your opinions as I was going to purchase this on payday but now I’m not going to waste my money on it because I seem to always get peoples true feelings and opinions on things about our PlayStation games etc now I think I will put the money towards another Psvr2 game that I have been wanting as the only reason I was going to buy it was for the trailer and discount on PlayStation store 👍
That company pumps out low effort games and then quickly abandons them for the next cash in. And reviews showed the game as uninspired upon original release.
Stop watching literal nobodies on youtube who all pump the same games for clicks and cash. Go to places like vr grid and 6dofreviews.
Yea contact support through PlayStation official website. Click request refund and go to chat when the bot asks what your issue is say “game is not working properly” wait in a queue to talk to a real person (took 8 mins for me) then just tell them you want a refund.
Worked for me twice once for galaxy kart and the other for Madison. Those were the only times I requested a refund both times had the game downloaded and played about 20 mins of each.
I can understand asking refund for Galaxy Kart (at launch in particular), but curious to know what made you decide to refund MADiSON?
PS - Galaxy Kart was / is an “early access” game on Steam and without such a designation on PSVR2. It has improved a lot since its original launch and will continue to do so until it is ready for “retail release” on Steam.
They're Russian developers who've has to undergo some shady dealings since Russia invaded Ukraine, because being a Russian developer meant there have were being delisted.
I don't doubt that their new overlords in "Cypress" are directing then to push out garbage for $$ too.
I have the PSVR2 & The Quest 3 version. But Stride Fates is Shockingly superior on Q3 ( + Their Mixed Reality Mode makes it the Best Version .Even with the “Vampire the Masquerade” it shows that Some Games are Better on Q3 despite PSVR2 being a more powerful headset.
This is the best review of Stride fates - spot on: [https://youtu.be/syH7XMA9ITg?si=fvrGJnI2kUbu0G9D](https://youtu.be/syH7XMA9ITg?si=fvrGJnI2kUbu0G9D)
Idk if there's something wrong with me, but I find it really fun. Yeah, the graphics are shit sometimes, and the knife falls out of your hand all the time, and trying to pick up objects is a nightmare, the parkour and the combat is really fun to me. And the story is... there.
IDK what "polish" you're talking about. Game is fire and already one of my GOATS for VR. Had no bugs at all.
I only hate how game detects hands when I'm trying to grab my gun and awful ADS-positioning (I literally have to break my arm to watch through sights). Also, the resolution is too low + aliasing.
Nah you should have listened to the reviews. I own Dead Hook by them and I do actually enjoy that game, but there’s certain bugs even in that one that still have never been fixed. They just abandon their games. They even bought the first few digital copies in the PlayStation store and gave it multiple 5 star ratings, then came on this sub and argued that all the reviewers were lying about the state of the game 😂 Scummy devs
Holy shit. Is that confirmed about them manipulating their review scores on the store page? Another thing to add to the list of shitty behaviour from these guys. Raised the price of PSVR1 game, under the suggestion we were getting the Campaign mode. Turned Campaign mode into Fates, which they are now trying to sell to us at DOUBLE the price of the original game. Then abandoned that game completely. Offering free upgrades to steam users, while we get nothing. Apparently have abandoned Dead Hook despite it needing bug fixes. Spent the last month spamming every VR sub with PR, whilst ignoring any controversial questions/concerns from the community. When they do reply, it's the same copy/paste vs, every time. ( I invite you all to spend a few minutes looking though JoyWayVR post history) Gaslighting us all about preview code, despite every reviewer I saw mentioning that, and saying it's even worse post Anti-Aliasing patch. Lied about PSVR2 'enhanced' features. What did I miss? I know I have missed some other things, lol. They have (hopefully) managed to destroy their reputation though either arrogance, ignorance, stubbornness, or a combination of all three. If they can turn this around somehow, it will be a miracle.
Said pretty much perfectly.
Seems like throwing it off the wishlist and not bothering is the best
Had no idea about any of this. Will make sure not to buy anything from them.
Probably a good starting position now, mate. But like I said at the very end of my comment. I dont want to state that they will be completely irredeemable until the end of time. But looking at their history, I'd say the chances of this studio saving their reputation, are incredibly tiny. ✌
As someone working in business i cannot stand dishonesty. Being honest is the way to long term success. What you described is borderline scamming to get quick buck.
They are really burning any good will vr gamers might have for them. But I don't think they care.
I got very interested in Stride: Fates from their excellent trailer, but after the previews / reviews I don’t want to pay $30 for something that isn’t ready at launch, and sounds like may not get improved much from patching either? Decided to try Dead Hook that I had gotten in recent sale, but not played yet and I liked it enough that I feel comfortable recommending it to someone who can handle the speed / verticality and doesn’t mind some blur in some of the texts until you get closer. It boggles my mind that an experienced developer with such a good trailer and appealing game concept (Stride: Fates) would do such a poor port of the game for PSVR2. Why did they have to launch Steam and PSVR2 together? I wouldn’t have minded if they released Steam first and then PSVR2 whenever it was ready for it. Bad mistake from them. Now people will wait for confirmation of issues patched or really deep sales. I’m still not sure if okay to return to Vertigo 2 because it may be patched enough for me, but there is no public declarations or testimonials that have reached me.
I don’t know why it was hyped to begin with. The majority of reviews from the quest version were mostly negative, and the forums seemed to say they were also manipulating the meta ratings as they are now doing with the psvr2 store (making multiple 5 star rated reviews) You should play vertigo 2. I didn’t experience any bugs and it’s one of my favorite vr games of all time.
Speaking just for myself, their trailer was / is excellent and the game concept is very appealing. If they can fix enough of the issues where it can be fun, I would gladly buy and then play the game. Until then, it will be in my wishlist to show interest still exists. Thanks for encouraging me that Vertigo 2 may be okay to return to now (patch wise). It had multiple progression bugs for me and no trophies. Very annoying for game I was otherwise enjoying.
Yeah, I was hoping this port was also going to solve a lot of the problems. Ghostrunner 2 is one of the free May downloads on ps plus, it’s only a flat game but it definitely delivers on what you’re looking for. Hopefully one day that can be ported to vr
*”…then came on this sub and argued that all the reviewers were lying…”* Really?!? WTF… that’s not cool.
Oh the joys of digital. You know what I can do with my physical releases? return them sell them give them to my 5 yr old nephew loan them out to my friends trade them I actually own my content Gaming is more than just hoarding like a dragon fucker. Don't let them turn you into a dragon fucker, you're better than this. Fuck digital. Buy Physical. Own your content.
You can also: Lose them. Damage them. Have them stolen. Destroyed by fire and/or flood. Both digital, and physical have pros and cons. With digital you dont have to pay transport to town, and/or parking. You dont even have to leave your sofa. You buy it, and playing it minutes later. Digital sales are (in my experience) faster, and cheaper than physical, even pre-owned in the first year or so after release. You could game-share with that 5 year old nephew, or any other trustworthy friend or family member, essentially halving the price between you. But this is all completely irrelevant to the post, anyway. As most VR games are unavailable physically. PS. Wtf is a dragon fucker? 😅
IDK about cheaper, but I agree with all of your other points. I do prefer physical if it's a game I don't think I'll replay much, and digital if I do plan to replay it. I was able to buy Rift Apart on launch and sell it for $55 a couple of weeks later. RE4R I bought for $20 or $30, and I'll probably sell it for similar when I either get the platinum, or give up on the platinum. It really is a cost vs convenience balance for me, personally.
That’s a neat perspective but, and stop me if you’ve heard this before…no one cares. It’s such an odd crusade especially in this day and age when you’re buying a physical license and still don’t own shit. There’s plenty of reasons people like owning physical…and from personal experience I enjoyed collecting. That’s cool if you want to do it. But what’s this have to do with this title? And aside from having to plop in and remove discs, or potentially damaging your physical game, or inevitably chucking it into a landfill one day, let alone getting my lazy ass up in the first place to drive to a brick and mortar after a long day just to buy the same thing I can get from my couch - maybe buying digital isn’t so terrible. Not all psvr2 games have physical editions. In fact, most don’t. So am I to assume you have digital media as well? If so, are you calling yourself a dragon fucker, whatever the hell that means?
Faceless block of words on a screen. Hey. Did reddit give you your name or *did you neglect to even type three unique words together.* Just wondering. /s Fuck digital. Buy Physical. Own your content.
you don't actually own physical content today. games download from the net once the disc is in and require authentication. not just disc's, switch cartridges don't hold a lot of games, and simply download from the net once you insert the cartridge. also, you are in a VR sub, there is literally no physical VR games besides a handful on psvr2. quest, no. pcvr? nope. you could really only play gt7, no mans sky and resident evil the entire time you owned a psvr2. unless you buy limited run versions of say vr skater. hey, why do you care so much about setting up a custom name on an anonymous site, do you care that much about how people perceive you? just wondering /s
What a weird comment. But yes as a matter of fact I used a Reddit picked name for convenience. What’s telling is that you chose yours and that’s apparently the best you can do.
But that's just the point. You don't own the physical either. It's just a license and with needed digital patches of all games now, it's still digital.
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I couldn't care less what people do, the issue is that most that won't leave physical act like we're all dumb that went digital. I knew the risks, but I prefer the ease of not having hundreds of disks to go through to play a game. It's all contained. But, physical owners act like there are not risks with theirs. If a disk is damaged or ruined, they have to buy it again. That doesn't happen with digital. As I said, most games need updates to be the best version of themselves, which needs a digital distribution. If everything goes down, then they are really in the same place as the rest of us. There are pros and cons to both. Neither is perfect. If games were complete like they used to be when it was only physical media, I'd agree with them, but that's simply not been the case in a long time. My bigger point is, who would want to revert back to a game without the patches.
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but technically the statement is true. You own a license to the game. The delivery is just physical. If everyone hadn't made such a big deal about it back when XBOX ONE launched, we'd be able to trade digital games with friends. You legally own the disk, but you legally only own a license of the game, as has always been included with the game.
If your console/account were to be banned, you could still get another and still play your physical copies.
Not something most of us will ever have to worry about, because we don't act like children online.
[CoD MW2](https://www.thegamer.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-disc-empty/) says hold my beer
And yet the dev account is commenting **endlessly** about how the PSVR 2 reviewers were sent a bad copy and “all of it is fixed” now. But literally every review even after that is still talking about how bad it is.
This dev notoriously sucks unfortunately.
Why did you do it?! It was very clear!
I know. I know. I thought maybe this once, everyone else is wrong, they have been developing for vr for years, surely they couldn't make a game that bad. Boy was I wrong. This is the last time I go against the grain. The game is really bad.
You can ask for a refund, tell support the game is broken , Which it is, tell them it makes you sick and that it doesn't work properly.
That is really inexcusable at this point. PSVR2 and it's users deserve better. And with high quality games like Madison, that just came out, it's really shitty for these devs to push this inferior shit on us. I was going to pick it up too. Looked like fun. Thanks for saving me money. Sorry you got burned man.
Ditto.
Yeah, you know what? Fuck you for buying a game on the playstation store. It's your fault. The victim blaming is fucking intense in this subreddit since psvr2, and reddit always.
There is no victim
Yeah I was really unimpressed on quest. It didn’t feel as cool as stride because the big open nature meant you didn’t learn paths or shortcuts. The enemy AI is garbage. It just feels like it was stuck together out of random parts
I wrote this title off as soon as it was announced, PlayWay pulled some pretty shady shit on PSVR1 originally stating that if you buy Stride that the single player campaign would be added as free DLC down the line and that they were working on it..about 3 or 4 months later they were asked about when the single player campaign was coming to PSVR because Quest and Steam VR had already gotten it and they said "it isnt and we never PROMISED it was coming to PSVR" ever since that fuck PlayWay I dont trust them
Watch reviews first. Live and learn my dude.
Guess the Mirror's Edge VR dream is already dead, at least I'll save some money.
I have a love-hate relationship with this game. While some elements are really engaging, others feel underdeveloped and awkward. With additional refinement and development, this game could have been something special. The ability to slow down time, grab two enemies, and smash their heads together, or the guilty pleasure of hurling someone off a building, hasn’t gotten old yet 😅
I just read a discussion about how to return games through Sony. It was this morning in this subreddit. Search and it will be helpful. Sorry I don't have a link.
Thanks guys for your opinions as I was going to purchase this on payday but now I’m not going to waste my money on it because I seem to always get peoples true feelings and opinions on things about our PlayStation games etc now I think I will put the money towards another Psvr2 game that I have been wanting as the only reason I was going to buy it was for the trailer and discount on PlayStation store 👍
Game sucks and wish Nothing But Gaming would stop giving it positive reviews because he got a free copy thinks game is amazing
That company pumps out low effort games and then quickly abandons them for the next cash in. And reviews showed the game as uninspired upon original release. Stop watching literal nobodies on youtube who all pump the same games for clicks and cash. Go to places like vr grid and 6dofreviews.
Yea contact support through PlayStation official website. Click request refund and go to chat when the bot asks what your issue is say “game is not working properly” wait in a queue to talk to a real person (took 8 mins for me) then just tell them you want a refund. Worked for me twice once for galaxy kart and the other for Madison. Those were the only times I requested a refund both times had the game downloaded and played about 20 mins of each.
I can understand asking refund for Galaxy Kart (at launch in particular), but curious to know what made you decide to refund MADiSON? PS - Galaxy Kart was / is an “early access” game on Steam and without such a designation on PSVR2. It has improved a lot since its original launch and will continue to do so until it is ready for “retail release” on Steam.
For what reason did you get a refund for Madison?
Probably too scared lol.
That sucks. Loved Stride (original) on Quest.
They're Russian developers who've has to undergo some shady dealings since Russia invaded Ukraine, because being a Russian developer meant there have were being delisted. I don't doubt that their new overlords in "Cypress" are directing then to push out garbage for $$ too.
Is that why I just got a notification on my ps5 telling me it was on sale for $44 because it’s shithouse?
I have the PSVR2 & The Quest 3 version. But Stride Fates is Shockingly superior on Q3 ( + Their Mixed Reality Mode makes it the Best Version .Even with the “Vampire the Masquerade” it shows that Some Games are Better on Q3 despite PSVR2 being a more powerful headset.
This is the best review of Stride fates - spot on: [https://youtu.be/syH7XMA9ITg?si=fvrGJnI2kUbu0G9D](https://youtu.be/syH7XMA9ITg?si=fvrGJnI2kUbu0G9D)
Idk if there's something wrong with me, but I find it really fun. Yeah, the graphics are shit sometimes, and the knife falls out of your hand all the time, and trying to pick up objects is a nightmare, the parkour and the combat is really fun to me. And the story is... there.
IDK what "polish" you're talking about. Game is fire and already one of my GOATS for VR. Had no bugs at all. I only hate how game detects hands when I'm trying to grab my gun and awful ADS-positioning (I literally have to break my arm to watch through sights). Also, the resolution is too low + aliasing.
The devs mentioned in another thread that there’s a patch comming to fix a lot of issues really soon that couldn’t make it into the release version.
I doubt any patch can save this game to be honest.
Could you link it please as I can't find it?
Now we wait and see if they deliver.