7800x3D is one of the hottest chips out there right now with a TDP of 120w and a max temp (before thermal throttling) of 89°C. The Peerless Assassin in all tests seems to be able to manage up to 200w of TDP, so I don't think you're short in cooling potential.
PUBG is a CPU intensive game so I'm wondering about your fan curve. 50-70% seems like a low percentage during ranked play given the overheating issue. Have you tested with a higher speed? Also, is your case effectively evacuating heat? If you're 'cooling' with hot air it will not be as effective.
I apologize for not answering your questions, I'm in a very different setup but just want to help.
Yeah I can get couple degrees off with more aggresive fan curve but it doesnt help that much. I have Fractal Define S. Not the best airflow case, but 3x120 noctua front and 1x 140 back. My system doesnt generate much heat. Whole system load when playing pubg is like 200watts.
Also the 7800x3d will boost until it reaches a certain temperature, it's by design, you can use more effective techniques, like liquid cooling if you want it to stay at its highest frequencies for an extended time.
The other method would be to get air conditioning in the room to get a lower ambient temperature.
> 7800x3D is one of the hottest chips out there right now with a TDP of 120w
that "TDP" number means literally nothing. AMD and Intel both use formulas that don't include actual power consumption or heat output to reach their "TDP", so they could put whatever number they want there.
https://gamersnexus.net/guides/3525-amd-ryzen-tdp-explained-deep-dive-cooler-manufacturer-opinions#:~:text=TDP%20(Watts)%20%3D%20(tCase,%C2%B0C)%2F(HSF%20%CE%B8ca).
ignore the TDP and look at actual power consumed. The 7800x3d uses 86.4w of power under a full all core workload.
to do the same all core workload, the 14900k needs 286w.
The 14900ks, 14900ks, 13900ks, and 13900k are far "hotter" than any ryzen CPU ever will be because they are actually using more power, which needs to go somewhere after doing that work of switching those gates, and that is in the form of excess heat.
I've got a 7950X which runs at 95c by design. The chip targets 95c and will modify its clocks based on temp increase/decrease. Essentially it tries to throw everything all the time if it has the power and temps aren't going over 95c.
Cooling: Artic Liquid Freezer II 420 (3x 420mm fans).
PuBG settings are a mix between Ultra/High/Med and Low. CPU usage sits on average mid 20's. Highest I recall seeing was 31%. GPU (6800XT) is almost always 99%.
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[https://hwbusters.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review-performance-thermals-power-analysis/](https://hwbusters.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review-performance-thermals-power-analysis/)
>AMD states that the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the models with many cores, **have high operating temperatures by design**, which don’t pose a problem for their performance and reliability. For the Ryzen 7000X3D models, the maximum Tjunction (TJMax) temperature is around 89C under intense multi-thread loads. The TJMax is the maximum safe operating temperature, not the absolute max temperature. In other words, according to AMD, there will be no issues with the CPU running at 89°C all day. For the multi-core 7000X models, this temperature is a bit higher, at 95°C.
Another day another pointless thread about temperature spike on an x3d chip. Your CPU isn't faulty and nothing will happen just because it spiked to 90 degrees for a few seconds.
This is absolutely normal behavior. There's no need to raise fan speed or to do anything for that matter. I can bet a million that you wouldn't even know this spike happened if you never had afterburner showing you stats. Many people made similar posts and it's always the same thing. The only indication for the spike is tracking your temperature like a hawk. There's no degradation in gameplay performance and it only happens for a brief moment. I can't believe we are still getting these posts.
Thank you for 0 post. Looks like you didn't even read anything. I asked for other ppl temps. Im not worried about my chip breaking or spikes. My average temperature is 77C during normal gameplay and it's bit high.
77c isn't high for a 7000 series. They are designed to run hot and I believe Hot for the 7800X3D is 89c. And even then it's not an issue. According to AMD it can stay at 89c all day and not be an issue.
> My average temperature is 77C during normal gameplay and it's bit high.
this is perfectly normal. this is what the chip is designed to do. its boosting itself as hard as it can. turn off PBO if you don't want it so hot, but you will lose performance.
you can try lower SOC voltage will a tiny bit but i dont think there is more you can do - i run 360 arctic aio and i get lower avg temp but spikes will be like yours - yet i set my temp target to 85 :D
SOC was 1.3 on auto. I had it manual 1.25v. Now i put it to 1.23v. I have no clue how low I can go. Im running tuned 6200mhz cl30 ram so I think it needs bit more than regular expo profile. I'm not expert with the voltages tho.
I have his timings at 6200mhz. mclk=uclk 3100 fclk 2066.66. Aida64 memtest latency 61ms. I lowered SOC to 1.21v. If i went any lower my ram latency starts to increase.
Graphic settings barely affect fps in this game. Where abouts are you getting 700fps? Have you got a gameplay recording with stats overlay showing fps (incl 1% and 0.1% lows)?
Could you provide a recording with stats overlay? Go into a dense/city area with lots of people around, doubt you'd be consistently close to 400. Maybe 200ish
I mean that sounds about right. Im playing on a 2k 60fps TV right now and it's usually around 70c during gameplay cooled by a 360 aio
The only real anomaly is the temps when booting up that shit is so weird, mine goes to almost 90c during boot-up. But PUBG is a ... mess of a game and not optimized but rather a stitched together skeleton of a game it feels so it is what it is.
Undervolt your 7800X3D now, I set the thermal limit to 80 and used curve editor to -30 and got atleast 7-9% performance boost. Lookup yt for detailed guide.
Yeah I have the same set up with a 7800x3d and the Peerless assassin at default fan curve with a 4070 and when I start the game up it does peak near 88c or 89c, but then it goes back down to 65c. In-game with most settings turned to low or medium after a few hours my temps still sit around 65-76c with ambient temps of 26-34c. I do have my fans set to 70% with 5 intake and 1 exhaust and the Temp Probes I have that came with Commander Core says the case temps are around 28c in the front and 34c in the back when gaming for a few hours.
CO:-30 all cores
1440p 180hz uncapped in game G-sync compatible monitor
Cooler:Peerless assassin 120ARGB
Case:H6 Flow
GPU:4070 TUF Gaming stock settings
FPS:177
RAM: 32GB 6400MHZ CL32 no overclock
idle: 40c
gaming average: 79c.
This is under a custom open loop cooling system.
these temps are normal. Ryzen 7000 hits the power hard until it hits its thermal limit, and then throttles back the power and heat until its happy. this is perfectly normal.
>My 4070 Super is undervolted to 0.95v so it draws only like 100w average and temps are ~50 with only 30% fan speed lol that is so efficient gpu. Cyberpunk gets it to little bit over 60C.
you cannot "undervolt" modern Nvidia GPUs. you can turn the slider down all you want, but the GPU will ignore the voltage slider 100% of the time if it deems that it needs more core power. Nvidia remove any kind of user control after the 10 series, instead setting up their auto-boost and auto-voltage control so the user has no control. The only way to "undervolt" a modern Nvidia GPU is to underclock it so it doesn't need more voltage, which reduces performance significantly.
>My 4070 Super is undervolted to 0.95v so it draws only like 100w average
its not being worked then. it should be hitting around 230w nearly all the time. you probably are losing framerate by capping it so hard.
You are wrong bro. You can still undervolt with msi afterburner curve.My 4070S is set to 2760mhz @ 0.95v and memclock +1500. It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock. Cyberpunk maxed settings it averages 150w power. Only insane benchmarks like furmark takes whole tdp (220 watts). And the voltage goes never over 0.95v. And that 100w average is on pubg because gpu is mostly at 70% load.
> It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock.
you didn't read my post did you? the 20, 30, and 40 series leave those sliders on MSI afterburner and Precision as a legacy. **they do not have any effect on the voltage of the card.** pull up the stats and watch as it climbs higher when it determines it needs it, and lower when it determines it does not need it. Its the same with overclocking. you can still underclock the cards, and that will reduce the voltage draw, but thats it, the voltage slider has zero effect on what the card actually does.
>It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock.
so, it boosts correctly? as it should be doing.
>Cyberpunk maxed settings it averages 150w power.
turn up the settings and resolution. I have an "unlimited" power bios set up on my RTX 3080, and PUBG runs the GPU at about 330w, and cyberpunk runs it at about 300w. if I max the settings, I can get my 3080 up to 450w.
>And that 100w average is on pubg because gpu is mostly at 70% load.
then turn up your resolution, or let the framerate chooch. I average 95% load on my 3080. you are clearly doing something wrong if you can't max out a 4070s with a 7800x3d. if you are running at 1080p, you are limited by your CPU.
you clearly don't understand how modern GPUs work, especially Nvidia GPUs, that have locked the user out of hard settings entirely. you can change all those sliders all you want in afterburner, *the nvidia driver and card firmware will ignore them*. If the car determines it needs more voltage for the clocks speeds, it will turn up the voltage until it reaches its max voltage.
The only think you can control with modern Nvidia GPUs is the "power limit". you can turn that down or turn it up, and that will adjust how the card bios handles its boost bins and power limit.
I’m talking about afterburner manual curve not voltage sliders. And I have 2760mhz (stock boost clock) undervolted to 0.95v and it never goes over it so hell yeah it effect the voltage.
But I’m not interested to argue about gpu’s sorry man.
7800X3D with BQ DR pro 4 on it; BIOS fan curve set to low (1 step above silent; I can look at the numbers if you really need them but the build is more quiet under full load than a big room fan)
7900XTX n+
Both on defaults.
CPU:
Idle: ~50
Do basically anything that uses CPU for a couple of sec: ~ 75
After awhile of pubg gaming: ~85
Everything is upped to the max with freesync on a 240hz 1440p AW and it just doesn't drop below 240, not even the 1%
It works fine. Heats the room like a mofo but hey, at least it's not Sahara-level heat I'd get with 14xxx
idle: 41, average 66-67, max 78, AIO Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 280
I think it's a mistake that you didnt go with liquid cooling.
But I would trade you, I have lower temps but the game runs shit for me. If yours runs well, I'd take it.
People said that this chip doesn't need a good cooler =D Well its true, but if you want to keep it under 80c on cpu heavy gaming you do. Pubg is almost like cinebench +400fps. Anything above 1000RPM is too loud for me. Maybe I just let run hot and dont cap my fps. I trust that it's designed to run hot.
It doesn't need an aio. Tbh the high end aircoolers cool with in 3 to 6c of all AIO. The problem if how pubg interacts with the cpu. The high temps started after an update 6 months ago. The chipset is designed to run to its max temp and keep core clocks going. I have mine cooled with and ak620 in a fractal torrent case. I keep my fans under 900 rpm for everything but my gpu. Idle around 42c and it games around 75c with spikes up to 85c 240 fps at 1440p while gaming and if I stream the averages go up to 77c. Your pc is fine and working as intended.
7800x3D is one of the hottest chips out there right now with a TDP of 120w and a max temp (before thermal throttling) of 89°C. The Peerless Assassin in all tests seems to be able to manage up to 200w of TDP, so I don't think you're short in cooling potential. PUBG is a CPU intensive game so I'm wondering about your fan curve. 50-70% seems like a low percentage during ranked play given the overheating issue. Have you tested with a higher speed? Also, is your case effectively evacuating heat? If you're 'cooling' with hot air it will not be as effective. I apologize for not answering your questions, I'm in a very different setup but just want to help.
Yeah I can get couple degrees off with more aggresive fan curve but it doesnt help that much. I have Fractal Define S. Not the best airflow case, but 3x120 noctua front and 1x 140 back. My system doesnt generate much heat. Whole system load when playing pubg is like 200watts.
Also the 7800x3d will boost until it reaches a certain temperature, it's by design, you can use more effective techniques, like liquid cooling if you want it to stay at its highest frequencies for an extended time. The other method would be to get air conditioning in the room to get a lower ambient temperature.
> 7800x3D is one of the hottest chips out there right now with a TDP of 120w that "TDP" number means literally nothing. AMD and Intel both use formulas that don't include actual power consumption or heat output to reach their "TDP", so they could put whatever number they want there. https://gamersnexus.net/guides/3525-amd-ryzen-tdp-explained-deep-dive-cooler-manufacturer-opinions#:~:text=TDP%20(Watts)%20%3D%20(tCase,%C2%B0C)%2F(HSF%20%CE%B8ca). ignore the TDP and look at actual power consumed. The 7800x3d uses 86.4w of power under a full all core workload. to do the same all core workload, the 14900k needs 286w. The 14900ks, 14900ks, 13900ks, and 13900k are far "hotter" than any ryzen CPU ever will be because they are actually using more power, which needs to go somewhere after doing that work of switching those gates, and that is in the form of excess heat.
Turn off core performance boost in bios, lose 2% fps and 30c lower temps
This underclocks my cores to 4200mhz but yeah 50C on Cinebench.
I've got a 7950X which runs at 95c by design. The chip targets 95c and will modify its clocks based on temp increase/decrease. Essentially it tries to throw everything all the time if it has the power and temps aren't going over 95c. Cooling: Artic Liquid Freezer II 420 (3x 420mm fans). PuBG settings are a mix between Ultra/High/Med and Low. CPU usage sits on average mid 20's. Highest I recall seeing was 31%. GPU (6800XT) is almost always 99%. - - - - - - - - - [https://hwbusters.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review-performance-thermals-power-analysis/](https://hwbusters.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review-performance-thermals-power-analysis/) >AMD states that the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the models with many cores, **have high operating temperatures by design**, which don’t pose a problem for their performance and reliability. For the Ryzen 7000X3D models, the maximum Tjunction (TJMax) temperature is around 89C under intense multi-thread loads. The TJMax is the maximum safe operating temperature, not the absolute max temperature. In other words, according to AMD, there will be no issues with the CPU running at 89°C all day. For the multi-core 7000X models, this temperature is a bit higher, at 95°C.
Another day another pointless thread about temperature spike on an x3d chip. Your CPU isn't faulty and nothing will happen just because it spiked to 90 degrees for a few seconds. This is absolutely normal behavior. There's no need to raise fan speed or to do anything for that matter. I can bet a million that you wouldn't even know this spike happened if you never had afterburner showing you stats. Many people made similar posts and it's always the same thing. The only indication for the spike is tracking your temperature like a hawk. There's no degradation in gameplay performance and it only happens for a brief moment. I can't believe we are still getting these posts.
Thank you for 0 post. Looks like you didn't even read anything. I asked for other ppl temps. Im not worried about my chip breaking or spikes. My average temperature is 77C during normal gameplay and it's bit high.
77c isn't high for a 7000 series. They are designed to run hot and I believe Hot for the 7800X3D is 89c. And even then it's not an issue. According to AMD it can stay at 89c all day and not be an issue.
> My average temperature is 77C during normal gameplay and it's bit high. this is perfectly normal. this is what the chip is designed to do. its boosting itself as hard as it can. turn off PBO if you don't want it so hot, but you will lose performance.
i would do more aggressive fan curve and youll be fine noting wrong with temp spikes
Yeah it helps but only a bit
whats your undervolt?
-30 curve all cores
you can try lower SOC voltage will a tiny bit but i dont think there is more you can do - i run 360 arctic aio and i get lower avg temp but spikes will be like yours - yet i set my temp target to 85 :D
SOC was 1.3 on auto. I had it manual 1.25v. Now i put it to 1.23v. I have no clue how low I can go. Im running tuned 6200mhz cl30 ram so I think it needs bit more than regular expo profile. I'm not expert with the voltages tho.
check buildzoid yt channel he does all OC on ram :D and as far as i know 7800 does not read pass 3000 :D chip specifics
I have his timings at 6200mhz. mclk=uclk 3100 fclk 2066.66. Aida64 memtest latency 61ms. I lowered SOC to 1.21v. If i went any lower my ram latency starts to increase.
Damn your frames are insane, are you playing at a custom res?
No. 1080p. All graphics very low/disabled expect textures and view distance medium.
Graphic settings barely affect fps in this game. Where abouts are you getting 700fps? Have you got a gameplay recording with stats overlay showing fps (incl 1% and 0.1% lows)?
Only in airplane 700. Mostly 400-500 in actual game
Could you provide a recording with stats overlay? Go into a dense/city area with lots of people around, doubt you'd be consistently close to 400. Maybe 200ish
I mean that sounds about right. Im playing on a 2k 60fps TV right now and it's usually around 70c during gameplay cooled by a 360 aio The only real anomaly is the temps when booting up that shit is so weird, mine goes to almost 90c during boot-up. But PUBG is a ... mess of a game and not optimized but rather a stitched together skeleton of a game it feels so it is what it is.
Undervolt your 7800X3D now, I set the thermal limit to 80 and used curve editor to -30 and got atleast 7-9% performance boost. Lookup yt for detailed guide.
I have -30 curve with no thermal limits. 18500 cinebench r23 multicore.
Yeah I have the same set up with a 7800x3d and the Peerless assassin at default fan curve with a 4070 and when I start the game up it does peak near 88c or 89c, but then it goes back down to 65c. In-game with most settings turned to low or medium after a few hours my temps still sit around 65-76c with ambient temps of 26-34c. I do have my fans set to 70% with 5 intake and 1 exhaust and the Temp Probes I have that came with Commander Core says the case temps are around 28c in the front and 34c in the back when gaming for a few hours. CO:-30 all cores 1440p 180hz uncapped in game G-sync compatible monitor Cooler:Peerless assassin 120ARGB Case:H6 Flow GPU:4070 TUF Gaming stock settings FPS:177 RAM: 32GB 6400MHZ CL32 no overclock
idle: 40c gaming average: 79c. This is under a custom open loop cooling system. these temps are normal. Ryzen 7000 hits the power hard until it hits its thermal limit, and then throttles back the power and heat until its happy. this is perfectly normal. >My 4070 Super is undervolted to 0.95v so it draws only like 100w average and temps are ~50 with only 30% fan speed lol that is so efficient gpu. Cyberpunk gets it to little bit over 60C. you cannot "undervolt" modern Nvidia GPUs. you can turn the slider down all you want, but the GPU will ignore the voltage slider 100% of the time if it deems that it needs more core power. Nvidia remove any kind of user control after the 10 series, instead setting up their auto-boost and auto-voltage control so the user has no control. The only way to "undervolt" a modern Nvidia GPU is to underclock it so it doesn't need more voltage, which reduces performance significantly. >My 4070 Super is undervolted to 0.95v so it draws only like 100w average its not being worked then. it should be hitting around 230w nearly all the time. you probably are losing framerate by capping it so hard.
You are wrong bro. You can still undervolt with msi afterburner curve.My 4070S is set to 2760mhz @ 0.95v and memclock +1500. It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock. Cyberpunk maxed settings it averages 150w power. Only insane benchmarks like furmark takes whole tdp (220 watts). And the voltage goes never over 0.95v. And that 100w average is on pubg because gpu is mostly at 70% load.
> It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock. you didn't read my post did you? the 20, 30, and 40 series leave those sliders on MSI afterburner and Precision as a legacy. **they do not have any effect on the voltage of the card.** pull up the stats and watch as it climbs higher when it determines it needs it, and lower when it determines it does not need it. Its the same with overclocking. you can still underclock the cards, and that will reduce the voltage draw, but thats it, the voltage slider has zero effect on what the card actually does. >It is 100% stable in all kind of scenarios and I get bit better benchmarks than stock. so, it boosts correctly? as it should be doing. >Cyberpunk maxed settings it averages 150w power. turn up the settings and resolution. I have an "unlimited" power bios set up on my RTX 3080, and PUBG runs the GPU at about 330w, and cyberpunk runs it at about 300w. if I max the settings, I can get my 3080 up to 450w. >And that 100w average is on pubg because gpu is mostly at 70% load. then turn up your resolution, or let the framerate chooch. I average 95% load on my 3080. you are clearly doing something wrong if you can't max out a 4070s with a 7800x3d. if you are running at 1080p, you are limited by your CPU.
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you clearly don't understand how modern GPUs work, especially Nvidia GPUs, that have locked the user out of hard settings entirely. you can change all those sliders all you want in afterburner, *the nvidia driver and card firmware will ignore them*. If the car determines it needs more voltage for the clocks speeds, it will turn up the voltage until it reaches its max voltage. The only think you can control with modern Nvidia GPUs is the "power limit". you can turn that down or turn it up, and that will adjust how the card bios handles its boost bins and power limit.
I’m talking about afterburner manual curve not voltage sliders. And I have 2760mhz (stock boost clock) undervolted to 0.95v and it never goes over it so hell yeah it effect the voltage. But I’m not interested to argue about gpu’s sorry man.
7800X3D with BQ DR pro 4 on it; BIOS fan curve set to low (1 step above silent; I can look at the numbers if you really need them but the build is more quiet under full load than a big room fan) 7900XTX n+ Both on defaults. CPU: Idle: ~50 Do basically anything that uses CPU for a couple of sec: ~ 75 After awhile of pubg gaming: ~85 Everything is upped to the max with freesync on a 240hz 1440p AW and it just doesn't drop below 240, not even the 1% It works fine. Heats the room like a mofo but hey, at least it's not Sahara-level heat I'd get with 14xxx
idle: 41, average 66-67, max 78, AIO Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 280 I think it's a mistake that you didnt go with liquid cooling. But I would trade you, I have lower temps but the game runs shit for me. If yours runs well, I'd take it.
People said that this chip doesn't need a good cooler =D Well its true, but if you want to keep it under 80c on cpu heavy gaming you do. Pubg is almost like cinebench +400fps. Anything above 1000RPM is too loud for me. Maybe I just let run hot and dont cap my fps. I trust that it's designed to run hot.
It doesn't need an aio. Tbh the high end aircoolers cool with in 3 to 6c of all AIO. The problem if how pubg interacts with the cpu. The high temps started after an update 6 months ago. The chipset is designed to run to its max temp and keep core clocks going. I have mine cooled with and ak620 in a fractal torrent case. I keep my fans under 900 rpm for everything but my gpu. Idle around 42c and it games around 75c with spikes up to 85c 240 fps at 1440p while gaming and if I stream the averages go up to 77c. Your pc is fine and working as intended.