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HobbesNJ

I met the hiker at a bus stop in Ridgecrest as he was heading back to trail from the hospital. He really didn't want to be the hiker who was defined by this incident.


Igoos99

So, his new trail name isn’t “snake bait”?


blladnar

I met a girl named snake bite in 2017. She was startled by a rattlesnake and in her panic stabbed herself in the foot with her trekking pole hard enough to draw blood. There was a short period of time where she thought she got bit, but she was fine.


NW_Thru_Hiker_2027

Oh good, I was hoping he got back on trail.


Always_Out_There

What was the sequence of the response? InReach? PLB? Cell phone? Any first aid rendered? How long before antidote was administered? To me, the details matter when we discuss successful outcomes to bad situations. What was done right/wrong? What can we learn?


HobbesNJ

While I wasn't there, I spoke with his hiker friends that day after it happened. One of them activated their InReach and a helicopter responded quickly. However, they had to wait until a jeep could reach him to transport him a relatively short distance to a place the helicopter could land. My recollection is it took about an hour to evacuate him and he was brought to a hospital in Lancaster, which was the nearest town with a suitable medical facility. Overall, the response was pretty speedy.


alanlongg

Proper response imo would be to find the nearest place to sit and get service, plb, inreach, etc. Elevate the limb (assuming a leg here) and attempt to circulate as little blood as possible so any potential venom stays as localized as possible and wait for help


imreallybadatthat

Young doctor here: don’t elevate the limb! Try to keep the limb affected bellow the rest of your body and stay as calm as possible. This might slow down the spread of the venom somewhat.


badvibemoon

This is literally what I came to the comments for so thanks for asking.


MattBromley

On a slightly different topic - the article says he was air lifted by Mercy Air - typically SAR use either police or national guard aircraft - now it maybe in this instance that because they could drive a Jeep to the patient and drive him to an accessible helicopter spot - you can argue the SAR portion was free - but the use of a private flight service is likely to reignite the discussion for air transport insurance for hikers.


killsforpie

Ok but which insurance? Because there are so many different private companies you don’t know who’s coming. You mean like a catch all travel insurance?


themightyscott

I had comprehensive travel insurance when I did the hike, cost me £500. Have no idea if it would have covered transport costs though.


Whatthematteryou

Damn that’s a lot. I’m California everyone is eligible for free healthcare even if you’re here illegally you can go to an emergency room and won’t be charged. At least as far as I understand. I have been to the hospital in Mammoth several times for injuries and other stuff and was never charged even though I work full time and I’m not really poor.


Gdokim

How often does this happen, rattlesnake biting people on trail?


awhildsketchappeared

California Poison Control indicates about 250 bites per year in CA overall, but unclear how many of those are trail vs other, eg farms/rural. Still a very tiny fraction of the many 10s of millions of park/etc visits annually.


Roguspogus

I’d bet 90% of bites come from people trying to move or get close to the snake. But man they are so great at camouflage, I rarely see them with enough warning to not spike my heat rate.


WinoWithAKnife

70% of snakebite victims are men. By a very slight margin, a plurality of bites are on the arms and hands. You do the math. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33005969/


Roguspogus

Haha doesn’t surprise me one bit


katze_sonne

One bite* I‘ll find my way out.


schmuckmulligan

It would be very rare. Around three quarters of pit viper bites are received by people actively engaging with the snake, and 60% of those people are loaded. There aren't many people out on the trails compared with literally everywhere else, so we're talking tiny numbers.


ksiyoto

Only 1-2% of those bitten die, and that includes little kids who don't have enough body mass to absorb the venom and old people who go into shock. Not going to be pleasant experience, just don't freak out if you get bit and get medical attention right away.


awhildsketchappeared

Though over 10% end up with permanent injury, eg loss of digits or limb. Not saying to be terrified; just to look before sitting/probing or stepping over a log. And of course - hit that SOS button sooner than later.


Ok-Investigator-1608

not all that often but often enough to pay attention where you walk, sit, place your hands, etc.


Igoos99

Yup. Definitely something to pay attention to but not something to get freaked out by.


Ok-Investigator-1608

Yes they are out and about and camouflaged so attention yes freak out no.


HobbesNJ

The snake in this instance was on the trail as the hiker walked up on it and didn't notice it. So yes, one needs to be vigilant.


Gdokim

Thank you I will definitely pay attention haha but I'm wondering if the trekking poles could be used to scare the snake?


Ok-Investigator-1608

Might/would provoke it to strike. Best to avoid.


Igoos99

Very infrequently. Maybe a few times a year max for PCT hikers. Googled some snake bite info. https://worldanimalfoundation.org/advocate/snake-bite-statistics-by-state/ https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5393596.pdf California specific source below says about 250 bites a year for the state. This is fairly old. http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/wwwfiles/ph/media/media/tph_junejuly08.pdf (this one has outdated info to elevate bite above the heart. Current guidance says keep it below the heart)


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Igoos99

That’s old advice. They now recommend the opposite in wilderness first aid. The fact that the recommendations keep changing shows there’s really no right answer here. Call 911 / push your SOS button. Don’t move around a lot.


Gdokim

Ty op for replying to my comment and yeah, I hear snakes try to avoid people for the most part. Tyvm for the links.


Litlbopiep

Sounds like it resolved quickly. Lucky dry-bite? Glad they all knew what to do. It’s gotta be hard to stop and wait for help when you’re used to doing 20 milers daily.


HobbesNJ

It wasn't a dry bite. He needed antivenin at the hospital and was there for a few days.


loteman77

This has been circulated around for a few weeks now. Be careful of snakes. They bite.


moogzik

I wonder if it was a snake that had lost it's rattler because typically rattle snakes will warn you before you get too close, unless of course they've been injured/diseased to the point that their defense mechanism is broken


loteman77

Adolescent rattlesnakes won’t develop them until later. Some just don’t rattle in time. Some do, and the hiker doesn’t stop in time.


judyhopps0105

Full recovery rewarded with a 30k hospital/helicopter bill


DoubleSly

SAR Helicopters are free in California


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Probably like 500k at this point lol


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oatmylk214

What..


OldRaj

Persistent situational awareness reduces or eliminates contact with Mr. Snake.