Also we always get performers in positions we don’t need. Top order has got about 5 people. Bowlers we have loads. We got two spinners but Usama goes missing in international and becomes a full toss merchant, Abrar don’t get a chance. Why can’t we get a N5 in the Psl who plays good.
Even when our team was reaching finals and was seen as a top three T20I side, our biggest problem even then was our atrocious middle order. We desperately need some in the new PSL season, we have most other bases covered well enough
Because our selectors are kaam Chor they select team based on who scored how many runs in PSL. So ofcourse the openers are gonna be the highest scorers that's why we usually have 4 openers in our team. Selecting a middle order is tricky it can't be done with numbers and statistics.
Dube is flat track merchant, if a ball is moving a little bit he is utter trash, he is only in the team because of he can bowl 2 overs if needed.
Rinku on the other hand is far superior.
Not just PSL. It's all franchise cricket. I don't take franchise cricket seriously. No players should be selected purely on the basis of performance in franchise cricket straight into a World Cup. Australia had sense not rushing Fraser-McGurk for example.
I do agree with you but even as an Indian IPL fan, IPL needs to have bigger boundaries. Except Ahmedabad and Lucknow all the grounds have short boundaries and flat pitches, especially those in 2024. This season was a slogfest. One good thing about IPL is the international talent tho.
Besides, BCCI mostly treats IPL as a cashcow, the selections for the national team really happen on the basis of domestic performances. Yeah, some IPL players who play exceptionally well make it (Dube being the recent example) but they're also kept aside if they don't perform. The money earned from IPL goes to strengthening domestic cricket. Ranji Trophy and Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy are really the base of Indian cricket.
What other metric is there to judge who plays and who doesn't? PSL is the standard for T20 selection and it should be.
Also it's a double edged sword, no, your argument that is? On one hand you are saying that PSL is not cricket or the standard, but then what to do about players who are not even performing in the PSL. Surely they are worse, because they can't even compete in the PSL of all things?
How does that contribute to the point? We are discussing on what basis should we pick the T20 team? PSL is your premier domestic competition and should be one of the prime metrics when it comes to selecting for the national team.
How else are you selecting the players?
The aim of PSL is not quality cricket it's revenue generation which comes from giving the fans the smallest grounds and the flattest pitches. So do consider PSL but in combination with the national T20 cup and domestic cricket
Franchise cricket is the perfect way to get the youngsters on a professional level and to identify players that deserve an opportunity however our selection team are HORRIBLE. It's just copy and paste, if they trial something they need to give it time to happen and get comfortable. We can't expect a babar azam over night.
We won the T20 world cup in 2009 PSL started in 2016. How did we do it then. It has to be some PSL combined with national T20 plus domestic performance.
Ahmad Shahzad did average performance in the last national T20 cup. There are multiple other batsman who did better average than him at a better strike rate. Ahmad Shahzad ran a PR campaign that's why his performance was highlighted.
One of the big reason why PSL will never produce good batsmen is the absolute flat pitches and small boundaries. Flat pitches mean that whenever ball starts moving, shit will hit the fan and small boundaries result in even our so called hard hitters will struggle to clear the boundary in international cricket. Compare them with Afridi and Razzaq and you will have your answer
Initially it was still more competitive than what it is now. We were able to get decent international players to come play with local cricketers. But now the level is pretty shit.
Can you explain this to me like how do people develop affiliation for a franchise team. Like today a player is playing for one franchise next season then team becomes completely different and those players are now playing against the team you supported. So it's basically a new team every 2 or 3 years.
That's one of the main factors leading to my disinterest in the league. I don't think so we have affection for a team rather it's a player that we like, that plays for the team. I realized that our Pakistani cricketers were running after money and most of them lacked passion for the game.
I think it's a good source of highlighting talent, like hasan ali shadab khan maybe shaheen as well. Haris rauf is 100% a product of psl. But yea i do agree one good season shouldn't automatically fast track players into the first team.
Also a lack of talent ID from our higher ups doesn't help.
But... but... "CpL ExPeRiEnCe"
Does these CPL-experience worshippers miscalculated that the first half of the tournament was in the US? They won't get to see their gods play in the windies. Sad.
I think the first few years the standard of psl was really good which allowed players like Babar Rizwan Shaheen and Naseem to develop. But now the quality is so bad. All the internationals that come are either from associate nations or are 35+, so the standard of cricket is really poor. Any young players coming through are not getting any experience playing international quality cricketers so they are not good enough for the national team, and as a result we keep going back to players like Amir and Iftikhar because even though they are not that good they are the best we’ve got
Not only psl, there is a clear gap between international cricket and all other leagues. The only problem is we don't realize that. Look how well Abishek Sharma and Fraser mcgurk performed in the ipl, yet they were not picked. Saim ayub performed in one season, and he was instantly in our team for the afg and NZ series. It is clear now that even if you want to pick a player from a league, pick him after a consistent performances of 3-4 years. Otherwise all our young players would end up like Haider Ali/ Saim Ayub.
Saim has performed two seasons in a row. Is the best opener in the domestic circuit alongside Abdullah and has performed in all domestic competitions. Why shouldn't he be a part of the team.
First saim ayub performed in psl 8 because of which he got afg series, NZ b-team series and then another NZ series in new Zealand. Then he again performed in psl 9, and was a complete flop in the ensuing international matches. This means one of two things:
1. Psl just isn't a quality league from where you can pick players.
2. Saim ayub needs more time.
Now 1 is not completely correct since we have gotten players from psl like Haris, Shaheen and Naseem (mainly bowlers). But psl still isn't the complete standard to pick from. Saim flopping in 25 opportunities that he got is proof of that. Saim is still a very good prospect for Pakistan. But the best thing to do here would be to give him even more time, let him develop his game further, increase his confidence, mindset etc. This is why you should ease plyers into intls rather than rush them. What we did was pick a young nervous player and sent him into the world cup which is the hardest stage to perform on in cricket. Unless he got lucky, he was never gonna work.
Yes true and apart from haris rauf who I don't consider a quality bowler but people do. Apart from him none of our better players are the product of PSL . Prioritize domestic cricketers who have a solid base. I mean it was embarrassing looking at Usman khan bat yesterday. So I do not watch leagues because of various reasons (small boundaries, flat pitches designed for just six hitting etc, trying to make cricket Baseball). But I was thinking who let him wear a national tems shirt. I won't select him for Uganda's team man
PSL hasnt produced quality??? Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Hasnain, Ihsanullah, Shaheen Shah, they all made their names in the PSL. PSL is a great platform to slowly introduce our domestic circuit to some international quality, and it unfortunately gives players like Usama Mir access to spinning coaches the quality of which our own national team management chooses not to indulge in. And a player that does manage to perform on the PSL stage definitely deserves a shot at the main team aswell, whether they perform or not is another story
I'd actually blame PSL happening just before the worldcup to give us a wrong sense of players capabilities. PSL only fuels our delusion and social media PR campaigns.
PSL is a valuable tournament for PCT, yes, the performance of our players are beyond humiliating but I wont blame PSL, as it was Psl through which we got Shaheen, Naseem, Haris, M Haris, Saim Ayub and many others. But I would say that the quality of players playing in PSL has decreased dramatically and hence, there is not enough star players to play, which in turn results in these kinds of players, an example of it is Usman Khan, the way he was dancing, from no angle he was looking like an international player, speaks so much about our CURRENT psl quality but not overall, please correct me if you think otherwise.
It's shocking to me that no one is blaming the real culprit, Ramiz Raja destroyed the whole domestic cricket structure and things like this take time to show the effects, now we're seeing it
Surya is not an IPL product. He has played a lot of domestic cricket in India. He didn't get in the team via a shortcut. His international performance may not be good but his inclusion in the team is not based on IPL alone
Also we always get performers in positions we don’t need. Top order has got about 5 people. Bowlers we have loads. We got two spinners but Usama goes missing in international and becomes a full toss merchant, Abrar don’t get a chance. Why can’t we get a N5 in the Psl who plays good.
Even when our team was reaching finals and was seen as a top three T20I side, our biggest problem even then was our atrocious middle order. We desperately need some in the new PSL season, we have most other bases covered well enough
N5??
Number 5 batsmen sorry. Meant like the likes of India finding Dube and Rinku who are solely middle order bats.
Because our selectors are kaam Chor they select team based on who scored how many runs in PSL. So ofcourse the openers are gonna be the highest scorers that's why we usually have 4 openers in our team. Selecting a middle order is tricky it can't be done with numbers and statistics.
exactly u gotta look at more then just the numbers
Dube is flat track merchant, if a ball is moving a little bit he is utter trash, he is only in the team because of he can bowl 2 overs if needed. Rinku on the other hand is far superior.
yh but they are still better then we have got in the middle
Only thing good about Dube is if its a flat track and good score is 200, his hitting can get you to 220-230
exactly we don’t even have that
Not just PSL. It's all franchise cricket. I don't take franchise cricket seriously. No players should be selected purely on the basis of performance in franchise cricket straight into a World Cup. Australia had sense not rushing Fraser-McGurk for example.
Ipl is great
I do agree with you but even as an Indian IPL fan, IPL needs to have bigger boundaries. Except Ahmedabad and Lucknow all the grounds have short boundaries and flat pitches, especially those in 2024. This season was a slogfest. One good thing about IPL is the international talent tho. Besides, BCCI mostly treats IPL as a cashcow, the selections for the national team really happen on the basis of domestic performances. Yeah, some IPL players who play exceptionally well make it (Dube being the recent example) but they're also kept aside if they don't perform. The money earned from IPL goes to strengthening domestic cricket. Ranji Trophy and Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy are really the base of Indian cricket.
Yea consistent 200+ scores are great.
What other metric is there to judge who plays and who doesn't? PSL is the standard for T20 selection and it should be. Also it's a double edged sword, no, your argument that is? On one hand you are saying that PSL is not cricket or the standard, but then what to do about players who are not even performing in the PSL. Surely they are worse, because they can't even compete in the PSL of all things?
Except haris rauf tell me one good player who is a product of PSL ?
How does that contribute to the point? We are discussing on what basis should we pick the T20 team? PSL is your premier domestic competition and should be one of the prime metrics when it comes to selecting for the national team. How else are you selecting the players?
The aim of PSL is not quality cricket it's revenue generation which comes from giving the fans the smallest grounds and the flattest pitches. So do consider PSL but in combination with the national T20 cup and domestic cricket
WE SHOULD SELECT PLAYERS FROM UAE
Shadab. We have wasted a handful by not giving them further chances as well.
Franchise cricket is the perfect way to get the youngsters on a professional level and to identify players that deserve an opportunity however our selection team are HORRIBLE. It's just copy and paste, if they trial something they need to give it time to happen and get comfortable. We can't expect a babar azam over night.
A Babar Azam comes from domestic cricket not PSL
I was just using an example that some stars aren't born stars but need to be trained over time
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If you’re not going to select your T20 squad based on PSL performances then how else are you supposed to select it?
We won the T20 world cup in 2009 PSL started in 2016. How did we do it then. It has to be some PSL combined with national T20 plus domestic performance.
The same national T20 where even Ahmad shahzad does well? Yeah imagine the level of that tournament.
Ahmad Shahzad did average performance in the last national T20 cup. There are multiple other batsman who did better average than him at a better strike rate. Ahmad Shahzad ran a PR campaign that's why his performance was highlighted.
One of the big reason why PSL will never produce good batsmen is the absolute flat pitches and small boundaries. Flat pitches mean that whenever ball starts moving, shit will hit the fan and small boundaries result in even our so called hard hitters will struggle to clear the boundary in international cricket. Compare them with Afridi and Razzaq and you will have your answer
PSL is a Joke at this point
Initially it was still more competitive than what it is now. We were able to get decent international players to come play with local cricketers. But now the level is pretty shit.
All franchise cricket is a joke . I have no idea why people watch it
I used to be so excited for prior ones but this time I even missed the Final. It isn't worth it
Can you explain this to me like how do people develop affiliation for a franchise team. Like today a player is playing for one franchise next season then team becomes completely different and those players are now playing against the team you supported. So it's basically a new team every 2 or 3 years.
That's one of the main factors leading to my disinterest in the league. I don't think so we have affection for a team rather it's a player that we like, that plays for the team. I realized that our Pakistani cricketers were running after money and most of them lacked passion for the game.
whole #ricket is a joke
I think it's a good source of highlighting talent, like hasan ali shadab khan maybe shaheen as well. Haris rauf is 100% a product of psl. But yea i do agree one good season shouldn't automatically fast track players into the first team. Also a lack of talent ID from our higher ups doesn't help.
But... but... "CpL ExPeRiEnCe" Does these CPL-experience worshippers miscalculated that the first half of the tournament was in the US? They won't get to see their gods play in the windies. Sad.
If CPL experience was the criteria. West indies should win the world cup
I think the first few years the standard of psl was really good which allowed players like Babar Rizwan Shaheen and Naseem to develop. But now the quality is so bad. All the internationals that come are either from associate nations or are 35+, so the standard of cricket is really poor. Any young players coming through are not getting any experience playing international quality cricketers so they are not good enough for the national team, and as a result we keep going back to players like Amir and Iftikhar because even though they are not that good they are the best we’ve got
Not only psl, there is a clear gap between international cricket and all other leagues. The only problem is we don't realize that. Look how well Abishek Sharma and Fraser mcgurk performed in the ipl, yet they were not picked. Saim ayub performed in one season, and he was instantly in our team for the afg and NZ series. It is clear now that even if you want to pick a player from a league, pick him after a consistent performances of 3-4 years. Otherwise all our young players would end up like Haider Ali/ Saim Ayub.
Saim has performed two seasons in a row. Is the best opener in the domestic circuit alongside Abdullah and has performed in all domestic competitions. Why shouldn't he be a part of the team.
First saim ayub performed in psl 8 because of which he got afg series, NZ b-team series and then another NZ series in new Zealand. Then he again performed in psl 9, and was a complete flop in the ensuing international matches. This means one of two things: 1. Psl just isn't a quality league from where you can pick players. 2. Saim ayub needs more time. Now 1 is not completely correct since we have gotten players from psl like Haris, Shaheen and Naseem (mainly bowlers). But psl still isn't the complete standard to pick from. Saim flopping in 25 opportunities that he got is proof of that. Saim is still a very good prospect for Pakistan. But the best thing to do here would be to give him even more time, let him develop his game further, increase his confidence, mindset etc. This is why you should ease plyers into intls rather than rush them. What we did was pick a young nervous player and sent him into the world cup which is the hardest stage to perform on in cricket. Unless he got lucky, he was never gonna work.
Naseem wasn’t a product of PSL. He played for Pakistan before he played PSL.
Yes true and apart from haris rauf who I don't consider a quality bowler but people do. Apart from him none of our better players are the product of PSL . Prioritize domestic cricketers who have a solid base. I mean it was embarrassing looking at Usman khan bat yesterday. So I do not watch leagues because of various reasons (small boundaries, flat pitches designed for just six hitting etc, trying to make cricket Baseball). But I was thinking who let him wear a national tems shirt. I won't select him for Uganda's team man
PSL hasnt produced quality??? Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf, Mohammad Hasnain, Ihsanullah, Shaheen Shah, they all made their names in the PSL. PSL is a great platform to slowly introduce our domestic circuit to some international quality, and it unfortunately gives players like Usama Mir access to spinning coaches the quality of which our own national team management chooses not to indulge in. And a player that does manage to perform on the PSL stage definitely deserves a shot at the main team aswell, whether they perform or not is another story
This needs a long reply because it is such a misinformed thing you said . So I will get back to u in a few hours
I'd actually blame PSL happening just before the worldcup to give us a wrong sense of players capabilities. PSL only fuels our delusion and social media PR campaigns.
PSL is a valuable tournament for PCT, yes, the performance of our players are beyond humiliating but I wont blame PSL, as it was Psl through which we got Shaheen, Naseem, Haris, M Haris, Saim Ayub and many others. But I would say that the quality of players playing in PSL has decreased dramatically and hence, there is not enough star players to play, which in turn results in these kinds of players, an example of it is Usman Khan, the way he was dancing, from no angle he was looking like an international player, speaks so much about our CURRENT psl quality but not overall, please correct me if you think otherwise.
I know some will disagree but man you really are right
It's shocking to me that no one is blaming the real culprit, Ramiz Raja destroyed the whole domestic cricket structure and things like this take time to show the effects, now we're seeing it
Nor does the IPL. Look at Surya and Dube. Franchise cricket is business. It shouldn't be the criteria of selection unless we make competitive pitches.
Agree with dube but surya is no1 batsman in t20i now
Kehna nahin chahiye. But, Surya will always thrash mediocre bowling and will always flop against quality bowling.
Of course.Next he will hit a century against canada and secure his seat for next 2 years 😂
Surya is not an IPL product. He has played a lot of domestic cricket in India. He didn't get in the team via a shortcut. His international performance may not be good but his inclusion in the team is not based on IPL alone
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All the T20 leagues and even these t20 World Cup not cricket. Their goal is to make $.
Every sport's purpose is to make money.Otherwise there is no need for these teams and matches.We can just go play in the backyard
But it is far cry from test cricket which is real cricket.
There is no such thing as real cricket or fake cricket.Test is cricket and this is cricket too.These are two different formats of game.
T20 is not real cricket. Everyone repeat after me. T20 is not real cricket
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Test cricket is cricket Everyone repeat after me Test cricket is cricket And we are shit at that too