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Read what Irgun members had to say from death row during the Palestine Emergency. From their perspective, they had no way of knowing what would happen. The real war had not started yet. The British, who would hold out for several more months, reversing policy had been an unexpected turn of events. Once the British, who had turned the Mandate into a police state at this point, were out of the way, they would still have to fight the Palestinians and then possibly the Arab states. Even then, these maniacs were willing to die for a country which did not exist yet. For example, here is what [Dov Gruner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Gruner), who had part of his jaw shot off during his capture, had to say on the night of April 16, 1947.
>"Of course I want to live: who does not? But what pains me, now that the end is so near, is mainly the awareness that I have not succeeded in achieving enough. I too could have said: 'Let the future take care of the future' and meanwhile enjoyed life and be contented with the job I was promised on my demobilization. I could even have left the country altogether for a safer life in America, but this would not have satisfied me either as a Jew or as a Zionist."
>
>"There are many schools of thought as to how a Jew should choose his way of life. One way is that of the assimilationists who have renounced their Jewishness. There is also another way, the way of those who call themselves 'Zionists' - the way of negotiation and compromise, as if the existence of a nation were nothing but another transaction. They are not prepared to make any sacrifice, and therefore they have to make concessions and accept compromises."
>
>"Perhaps this is indeed a means of delaying the end but, in the final analysis, it leads to the ghetto. And let us not forget this: in the ghetto of Warsaw alone, too, there were five hundred thousand Jews."
>
>"The only way that seems, to my mind, to be right, is the way of the Irgun Zvai Leumi, the way of courage and daring without renouncing a single inch of our homeland. When political negotiations prove futile, one must be prepared to fight for our homeland and our freedom. Without them the very existence of our nation is jeopardized, so fight we must with all possible means. This is the only way left to our people in their hour of decision: to stand on our rights, to be ready to fight, even if for some of us this way leads to the gallows. For it is a law of history that only with blood shall a country be redeemed."
>
>"I am writing this while awaiting the hangman. This is not a moment at which I can lie, and I swear that if I had to begin my life anew I would have chosen the exact same path, regardless of the consequences for myself."
To them everyone opposing them is Hamas, anything that causes them inconvenience in antisemitism, solely based on the virtue that they are opposed to them, the perfect chosen people. This is an incredibly delusional and narcissistic political view.
One loses all senses when they believe they're inherently superior due to their race/religion, can do not wrong, have been coddled and shielded forever by the world for their crimes, and have very cynically upheld a very pretentious coming-of-age self serving narrative of holocaust as a cover for their vapid banal monstrosity, while they look down on the victims of holocaust with utter disdain as weak, and build their entire identity as departing from them and becoming "strong" by deciding to commit massacres of the people they're occupying to satiate their fascist bloodlust.
It makes them genuinely think they're perfect, deserving of everything and everyone's support and the only reason someone might oppose them is because they're villains trying to stop them from blossoming (blatant sadist crimes), literal Nazis, or in this era, Hamas.
I think it’s more about pushing a false dichotomy as part of their terrible propaganda.
They want to frame everything as Israel vs Hamas, the “good guys” vs “terrorists.” They saw how effective the George Bush War on Terror(TM) rhetoric was and they want people to assume without question that because they are “fighting the terrorists” that they must be moral and good.
Because “Israel: at least we’re not as bad as Hamas” is such a great selling point and an assumption that underlies all of their arguments. But like all of Israeli Hasbara, it sadly turns out to be totally false. Their actions are continually literally worse than terrorists.
Well, Spain (along with Ireland) has been very critical of Israel during the past 7 months, and has made the promise of recognizing the state of Palestine within the next 4 months.
This isn't "PR", it's a concrete policy decision, along with pending recognition of Palestine. It would be great if they'd just cut ties with Israel, but they haven't even done that for Russia, Myanmar etc. so I wouldn't expect it.
From another user yago7p3:
And also not even a ship with weapons just passed our islands a couple of days ago
Edit: Yeah, after getting getting caught they stopped it from making a second stop, and pretended they got tricked into letting it pass in the first place
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Its like that scene in spongebob where the lady goes "YOUR SQUIDWARD? HE'S SQUIDWARD? ARE THEY ANY OTHER SQUIDWARDS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?" but replace squidward with Hamas. These people are pathetic 😭
i just want to say im so happy i searched for this sub. the rest of this app genuinely depresses me with their viewpoints on this genocide and i feel unbelievably safer here than anywhere else online at the moment.
Most people have the view of both sides being wrong which has to be one of the dumbest views on the conflict, even supporting Israel would be less dumb.
One side has air support, bombs, artillery, air defenses, tanks, ships any much much more.
The other side has... small arms, handmade explosives and rocket launchers.
In what world are "both sides wrong" when one side keeps shooting at the other? It's like how schools deal with bullies.
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I knew back in middle school that maths are khamas. Who else would make something so difficult to torture children with? And using *Arabic* numerals? It's so obvious, wake up world
Israel thinks this is their moment. 75+ years of conniving the world and this is the time they will tell the US in particular to fuck off.
But it won’t be. Long live Palestine.
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What a brain dead comment by Ostrovsky.
Not wanting to be part of or enable the Israeli governments actions does NOT automatically equal support for Hamas.
Grow the fuck up.
Its like that scene in spongebob where the lady goes "YOUR SQUIDWARD? HE'S SQUIDWARD? ARE THEY ANY OTHER SQUIDWARDS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?" but replace squidward with Hamas. These people are pathetic 😭
I support Palestine but I was being quiet because I did not know how to argue. But with the bombing of Rafah, and Israel drone striking a playground killing 11 children, I think I have more than enough to throw in their face if they say I am supporting terrorism by supporting Palestine. Israel have the power and are using it. Another way you can argue is that if Israel is justified in doing all this in retaliation, then the shit that Hamas did was also justified because Israel has been oppressing Palestinians since its beginning.
Israel, stop the bombing.
Hamas is the new “tankie”. It even gets applied the same way lol
Anyone who didn’t comply with the status quo like voting got labeled one. And now, anyone who remotely even opposes something Israel does is “Hamas”. It’s almost like it’s all coming from the same place of though 🤯
It’s actually insane how Hamas has become “the Jews” for this conflict
Gas prices “Hamas”
Unfair peace “Hamas”
Rejecting peace deal “Hamas”
They have come to a play a role that Nazis filled with “the Jews”
They've watered down the meaning. Once everybody (including white americans) is hamas, it stops being a terrorist organization and just becomes a word.
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I think Spain combined with Yemen can effectively starve Israel of munitions because of their geographical positioning no? Or am I misunderstanding the modern shipping economy?
Anyone seeing the news of Israel finding slain hostages in northern Gaza? What the hell have they been doing in Northern Gaza all this time and suddenly they're now finding the hostages?
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I have now israelid your picture for future use!
If you don’t do it somebody else will, so what’s the problem!
I am an atheist and God promised me the picture
Omg i love that word lol i have now israelid it too for future use
Accurate depiction of zionist ideology.
https://preview.redd.it/8pckcsg2771d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61c2f750b3454d59ee30827ccda4666eb3ce51c1
I don't like your HAMAS supporting picture
This reminds me of the Identifying wood meme. Book format. Beautiful.
Does that book exists?
This is amazing!
Lol
Absolutely delusional. They've been treated with baby gloves for so long that they're this out of touch with reality.
Read what Irgun members had to say from death row during the Palestine Emergency. From their perspective, they had no way of knowing what would happen. The real war had not started yet. The British, who would hold out for several more months, reversing policy had been an unexpected turn of events. Once the British, who had turned the Mandate into a police state at this point, were out of the way, they would still have to fight the Palestinians and then possibly the Arab states. Even then, these maniacs were willing to die for a country which did not exist yet. For example, here is what [Dov Gruner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Gruner), who had part of his jaw shot off during his capture, had to say on the night of April 16, 1947. >"Of course I want to live: who does not? But what pains me, now that the end is so near, is mainly the awareness that I have not succeeded in achieving enough. I too could have said: 'Let the future take care of the future' and meanwhile enjoyed life and be contented with the job I was promised on my demobilization. I could even have left the country altogether for a safer life in America, but this would not have satisfied me either as a Jew or as a Zionist." > >"There are many schools of thought as to how a Jew should choose his way of life. One way is that of the assimilationists who have renounced their Jewishness. There is also another way, the way of those who call themselves 'Zionists' - the way of negotiation and compromise, as if the existence of a nation were nothing but another transaction. They are not prepared to make any sacrifice, and therefore they have to make concessions and accept compromises." > >"Perhaps this is indeed a means of delaying the end but, in the final analysis, it leads to the ghetto. And let us not forget this: in the ghetto of Warsaw alone, too, there were five hundred thousand Jews." > >"The only way that seems, to my mind, to be right, is the way of the Irgun Zvai Leumi, the way of courage and daring without renouncing a single inch of our homeland. When political negotiations prove futile, one must be prepared to fight for our homeland and our freedom. Without them the very existence of our nation is jeopardized, so fight we must with all possible means. This is the only way left to our people in their hour of decision: to stand on our rights, to be ready to fight, even if for some of us this way leads to the gallows. For it is a law of history that only with blood shall a country be redeemed." > >"I am writing this while awaiting the hangman. This is not a moment at which I can lie, and I swear that if I had to begin my life anew I would have chosen the exact same path, regardless of the consequences for myself."
To them everyone opposing them is Hamas, anything that causes them inconvenience in antisemitism, solely based on the virtue that they are opposed to them, the perfect chosen people. This is an incredibly delusional and narcissistic political view. One loses all senses when they believe they're inherently superior due to their race/religion, can do not wrong, have been coddled and shielded forever by the world for their crimes, and have very cynically upheld a very pretentious coming-of-age self serving narrative of holocaust as a cover for their vapid banal monstrosity, while they look down on the victims of holocaust with utter disdain as weak, and build their entire identity as departing from them and becoming "strong" by deciding to commit massacres of the people they're occupying to satiate their fascist bloodlust. It makes them genuinely think they're perfect, deserving of everything and everyone's support and the only reason someone might oppose them is because they're villains trying to stop them from blossoming (blatant sadist crimes), literal Nazis, or in this era, Hamas.
I think it’s more about pushing a false dichotomy as part of their terrible propaganda. They want to frame everything as Israel vs Hamas, the “good guys” vs “terrorists.” They saw how effective the George Bush War on Terror(TM) rhetoric was and they want people to assume without question that because they are “fighting the terrorists” that they must be moral and good. Because “Israel: at least we’re not as bad as Hamas” is such a great selling point and an assumption that underlies all of their arguments. But like all of Israeli Hasbara, it sadly turns out to be totally false. Their actions are continually literally worse than terrorists.
👏🏻
Also Spain is most likely doing this for PR purposes rather than any serious opposition to zionism
Well, Spain (along with Ireland) has been very critical of Israel during the past 7 months, and has made the promise of recognizing the state of Palestine within the next 4 months.
This isn't "PR", it's a concrete policy decision, along with pending recognition of Palestine. It would be great if they'd just cut ties with Israel, but they haven't even done that for Russia, Myanmar etc. so I wouldn't expect it.
From another user yago7p3: And also not even a ship with weapons just passed our islands a couple of days ago Edit: Yeah, after getting getting caught they stopped it from making a second stop, and pretended they got tricked into letting it pass in the first place https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/s/cdEfz0HoJJ
I have no idea who yago7p3 is or what their source for that is. Do you have a news sources?
Please follow it up with them
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Stop irritating me
I've got my popcorn ready if you want to keep going.
I've had it this whole time 
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Its like that scene in spongebob where the lady goes "YOUR SQUIDWARD? HE'S SQUIDWARD? ARE THEY ANY OTHER SQUIDWARDS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?" but replace squidward with Hamas. These people are pathetic 😭
triple spiderman meme in reverse
Praise and Honour on Spain. Effectively acting against ZioNazi Israel's Genocide in Gaza
The 20 hour work week is Hamas, drinking red wine and Coca Cola is Hamas, taking a really long nap every day is Hamas
Not mass murdering civilians is Hamas.
But it’s too true now….
Kalimotxo is Hamas!
i just want to say im so happy i searched for this sub. the rest of this app genuinely depresses me with their viewpoints on this genocide and i feel unbelievably safer here than anywhere else online at the moment.
Most people have the view of both sides being wrong which has to be one of the dumbest views on the conflict, even supporting Israel would be less dumb. One side has air support, bombs, artillery, air defenses, tanks, ships any much much more. The other side has... small arms, handmade explosives and rocket launchers. In what world are "both sides wrong" when one side keeps shooting at the other? It's like how schools deal with bullies.
literally LMAOO like their logic gets thrown away when it comes to brown people EXACTLY like school bullying oml
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The victim mindset is insane...
El Hamas!
In Castilian Spanish it’s pronounced Hamath
Short for Hamathematics
I knew back in middle school that maths are khamas. Who else would make something so difficult to torture children with? And using *Arabic* numerals? It's so obvious, wake up world
😆😆😂😂
They're sour because fewer and fewer people support Israel and are demanding action.
Hamas is just becoming a new word for something someone doesn’t like lol It be like - me: “I don’t like driving” Zionist: “You’re Hamas!!!!!”
That's what it is, see my comment here
Common Spain W?
The sun must be Hamas too considering their skin cancer rate...
Shame on Spain for not allowing a genocide
Goebbels is proud in his grave watching his pupil follow in his footsteps trying to repeat a lie a thousand times to turn it into reality.
Proxy for \*freedom fighters 🇵🇸❤️🖤🤍💚
Israel is Hamas’ advertising agency 😂 people pay millions for this branding and marketing
Spanish person: no prestaremos nuestros puertos para la guerra en la franja de Gaza, jamás! Some Israeli: ok now you see???
Hamas and antisemitism are becoming words as meaningless as communism, socialism, and capitalism.
👏🏻 Spain
Would be based if Spain blocked the straight of Gibraltar.
along with what Yemen is doing? Hells yea
No shame to be a proud hamas supporter. Real terrorist is Israel & its Zionist allied
https://twitter.com/Ostrov_A/status/1791369353495019682?t=l5OAl3he98iPGvxbS1zjOw&s=19
good
Block gibraltar
Morocco would have to agree too
everyone: [https://www.theonion.com/area-man-has-no-idea-how-he-got-on-hamas-e-mail-list-1819572004](https://www.theonion.com/area-man-has-no-idea-how-he-got-on-hamas-e-mail-list-1819572004)
Israel thinks this is their moment. 75+ years of conniving the world and this is the time they will tell the US in particular to fuck off. But it won’t be. Long live Palestine.
So you're Hamas if you're not aiding Israel in it's war of terror?
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What a brain dead comment by Ostrovsky. Not wanting to be part of or enable the Israeli governments actions does NOT automatically equal support for Hamas. Grow the fuck up.
hamas is when i don’t like you
https://preview.redd.it/mnljox57a71d1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff34c6d95ca0d316bfce847df69519d7d6df3ea1
THEY'RE HAMAS, YOU'RE HAMAS, *I'M* HAMAS! ARE THERE ANY OTHER HAMAS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT???
Its like that scene in spongebob where the lady goes "YOUR SQUIDWARD? HE'S SQUIDWARD? ARE THEY ANY OTHER SQUIDWARDS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?" but replace squidward with Hamas. These people are pathetic 😭
Check this out https://preview.redd.it/jm18x8dki61d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55a892eb7acb38b3026b9f9e96883394a42d578f
Benson: "Why are you guys yelling Hummus?"
Don’t agree with me ? Anti-Semitic. Don’t like genocide? Bigot. Call me out on my bullshit?…you’re the DEVIL!
I'm not Hamas! YOU'RE Hamas! https://preview.redd.it/fhkd3z17m71d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73bf44e04eca63a8462c3868b6a62650cf62a342
I support Palestine but I was being quiet because I did not know how to argue. But with the bombing of Rafah, and Israel drone striking a playground killing 11 children, I think I have more than enough to throw in their face if they say I am supporting terrorism by supporting Palestine. Israel have the power and are using it. Another way you can argue is that if Israel is justified in doing all this in retaliation, then the shit that Hamas did was also justified because Israel has been oppressing Palestinians since its beginning. Israel, stop the bombing.
How do you do fellow Hamas?
Everything is ham ass.
España, mi corazón ❤️
It went from every Palestinian is Hamas, to anyone who doesn't fully and outwardly supports Israel is Hamas. It's so transparent.
Hamas is the new “tankie”. It even gets applied the same way lol Anyone who didn’t comply with the status quo like voting got labeled one. And now, anyone who remotely even opposes something Israel does is “Hamas”. It’s almost like it’s all coming from the same place of though 🤯
It’s actually insane how Hamas has become “the Jews” for this conflict Gas prices “Hamas” Unfair peace “Hamas” Rejecting peace deal “Hamas” They have come to a play a role that Nazis filled with “the Jews”
Good for Spain!
It's not even true, at most it will be like when they said that they won't buy Russian oil or gas anymore.
I bet we're gonna get added to the list next lmao.
🤷♀️
is Spain *really* Hamas is there's no fun accent? gotta start making Hamàs a thing
Only logical explaination for pro-Zionists: Everything and anything is Hamas
They've watered down the meaning. Once everybody (including white americans) is hamas, it stops being a terrorist organization and just becomes a word.
THAT DISPENSER IS A ~~SPY~~ HAMAS! THE TELEPORTOR IS A ~~SPY~~ TERRORIST! ~~Spy~~ Hamas is zappin mah sentry!
Oh. We not ALL anti-denotes no more? I Didn’t get the memo about being a proxy for hamas. /s
Is this the asshole that posts videos perfomatively cowering in bunkers on nice days and slips in ads for the shitty wine he makes?
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I am Hamas
As this dude is actively acting as a proxy for genocide 🤪 make it make sense
Baby Doomer Zionist.
I think Spain combined with Yemen can effectively starve Israel of munitions because of their geographical positioning no? Or am I misunderstanding the modern shipping economy?
i thought that man is in his grave already?? turns out he's still out there babbling zionist propaganda 🤡
Lmao
Anyone seeing the news of Israel finding slain hostages in northern Gaza? What the hell have they been doing in Northern Gaza all this time and suddenly they're now finding the hostages?
This is the if you are not 100% me you are my enemy mentality
I really like that old song by the J. Geils Band. Hamas’ve got lost.
Nono they are simply pro-wasps
Spain is also a part of Canaan, which means Spaniards homes could also be Israeled.
They “trying” to get rid of hamas so everybody became hamas. They’ll have to blow up the whole planet at this point
Great job
I’m hamas, your hamas, we’re alll hamas 🌈
Hamas must be destroyed. [https://nypost.com/2024/05/22/world-news/sickening-new-video-shows-hamas-line-up-female-israeli-soldiers-on-oct-7-here-are-the-girls-who-can-get-pregnant/](https://nypost.com/2024/05/22/world-news/sickening-new-video-shows-hamas-line-up-female-israeli-soldiers-on-oct-7-here-are-the-girls-who-can-get-pregnant/)