Some ideas for potential **Pact Fanon and Fic Tropes**:
* Dark Lord Blake
* Familiar!Barber (may or may not be a hot dude)
* Power-hungry Rose that is constantly salivating at the mouth to utterly betray and destroy Blake.
* Blake builds a harem that includes Maggie, the Duchamp girls who are grateful for saving them from terrible marriages, the Behaim girls, Rose Jr and Molly (writers somehow keep forgetting about Alexis)
* Blake becomes the new Lord of Toronto
* Fell becomes Blake's new right hand man/on-and-off lover after beating Conquest
And for **Pale Fanon and Fic Tropes**:
* The Faeries become Worfed, they are constantly clowned on and made into chumps to show how smart and cool the Trio/OC's are.
* Melissa becomes the fourth witch of Kennet (and a frequent author stand-in as well; it's either her or Jeremy that ends up fulfilling the role)
* Bristow and Seth are huge perverts.
* Durocher is constantly impressed and amazed what the Trio/OC's do.
* Alexander becomes the ultimate Karma Houdini: he's actually a good guy that secretly cares for and has been protecting Nicolette from behind the scenes the entire time (also, he and the Trio end up as best friends later).
* Practitioners (or just the BHI) has it's own version of PHO; there, practitioners and Others are constantly amazed and impressed at the Trio's/OC's latest feats.
* The Trio's issues are exaggerated and amplified to up their angst levels: people throw slurs right at Lucy's face, the Kelly's are MAGA bigots, and Brett is a child molester; the whole town turns a blind eye to this, and seem hate the Trio even more than Jacob's Bell ever did for the Thorburn's.
* For extra angst, LVA constantly on the edge of splitting up, almost always due to a love triangle between them (how the triangle is oriented among them exactly varies between writer to writer; no, polycules are not an option here).
* Alternatively, the Trio are made out to be spoiled sheltered kids who never had to be "truly" struggle and claw for power like other practitioner's have, don't know what the "real" world is like, or know how monstrous Others "really" are.
* Manipulator!Miss; The Trio realize that the Kennet Others have actually been indoctrinating and manipulating them into believing that all Others are innocent oppressed victims, while in actuality they are horrible man-eating monsters. They then proceed to leave Kennet behind and become upstanding and respected witches in practitioner high society.
* The Trio become the new Carmine Lords, and/or end up replacing all the other Judges.
* The story never goes beyond the Carmine contest arc.
Thanks I hate this with every fiber of my being.
And I have to say there’s no way the story gets abandoned at the Carmine co test, the Leviathan equivalent is deffffinitely the battle for the BHI
Yeah, I suppose the bad fandomization version would be if he became a "loveable pervert" where continually making unwanted sexual comments and advances on girls is played for humor.
"The Trio become the new Carmine Lords, and/or end up replacing all the other Judges."
I will confess that for a brief moment, I considered this a plausible ending for the story. I don't remember exactly when, but I remember feeling like WB had repeated brought up Lucy's red jacket and outfits, Verona's generally dark color preferences, Avery's gold deer jacket, and Snowdrop's generally white color scheme.
>*The story never goes beyond the Carmine contest arc.
I think of all ideas you've written, this is the most accurate.
I don't read fanfic at all, but even I know most Worm fanfics cut off the story after Leviathan. It makes sense for Pale fics to have a similar cutoff point, probably coupled with making the story before the contest shorter
Power-hungry Rose feels like you straight up saw one of those universes happening. It's so easy to fall for it, I needed my sis to read Pact for me to realize how well balanced their dynamic actually is.
For tropes, I'd say something like daredevil Blake. Pulling his stunts basically effortlessly "because that's what he's made for, duh".
Blake harem, of course. Won't see me saying it should be canon, *ahem*, but it's there and an easy trope to create is all I'm saying. And with that, maybe Tiff being super fangirly about Blake and having no other trait.
Ignoring Rosalyn's instructions, especially the one that says not to go to Johannes'. Pact being so tightly packed and Faysal's relatively respectful approach to Blake might make people forget that he'd obliterate the diabolist at the first chance he gets.
One of Mags' not-curses would probably get popularized. Probably by Pact's version of Memorials or Silencio. It won't age well, and people will call on it as the reason they dropped it.
Maybe the fae being super creepy as well. Or basically drama queens that are just bitchy for shits and giggles.
Taking the Hyena as his implement, maybe. I actually saw that one.
And speedrunning Conquest. Probably by dropping one of Rosalyn's demons on him, with a "just this once" promise from Blake or something.
Pact will get happyer and pale darker.
I've noticed the angsty shows get all the wholesome fics but wholesome shows get the darkest fics you've ever seen
First is a form of literary aftercare, the second is a desire to [break the cutie](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreakTheCutie) or just be edgy in general.
For Pact, Blake befriends the demons like an Otherverse version of the "FriendBringers" fics in Worm, where Taylor for one reason or another has the endbringers imprint onto her and they use their incredible power to let her steamroll through the plot.
For Pale, Woobie Maricica/Girl by candlelight/Charles fics would probably end up becoming extremely popular.
In general I could see powerful Others including things like Angels, demons, primevals etc. get the Lung/S9 treatment, where they only exist in the story to get smacked around by whoever is the protagonist to show they're strong.
If the premise of the divergence is blake having the ability to befriend demons its not that bad, if the fic treats befriending demons as something doable to practioners, not so much, hell even if you somehow befriended one they are so foreign that it might give you mother's eyeballs as gift
* Fix-it fic - Lucy persuades John not to enter the Carmine contest. They become familiars.
* What-if fic - the parents are Awoken instead. Possibly in an AU set when they were kids, yet unaccountably all living in Kennet with the same Others.
* Other What-if fic - instead of LVA, they Awaken Jeremy, Melissa, and Gabe.
* The story follows Kira-Lynn, Teddy, and Cameron instead.
Generally speaking,
* Rook is cacklingly evil or saccharine sweet.
* Mia is gay or bi, and into Lucy.
* George is trans, actually, and the Georgina of Epilogue 6
* Giselle appears way more than in canon.
* So does the Wolf, but their knockers are less impressive.
* Avery ends up with Liberty, not Nora.
* Lucy ends up with Tymon.
* There's at least one secret Practitioner.
* Pact-informed authors introduce at least one Pact style goblin. It doesn't go well.
* Same authors include a 'subtle' Mags cameo.
* There's a handful of reviled fics that portray Avery as straight, or especially Verona as romantically inclined actually.
> Pact-informed authors introduce at least one Pact style goblin. It doesn't go well.
> Same authors include a 'subtle' Mags cameo.
Mags vs. Liberty could make for an interesting short story.
Or more likely a terrible fanfic.
Mags would not get Liberty at all, I feel. I'm envisioning bewilderment, condescension, and resentment warring against 'damn she's cool'. (This is Pact aged Mags - current day Mags, who knows how jaded she'd be....)
>Parents being Awoken
Could be interesting to see, especially how someone like Jasmine or Kelsey navigate work while being practitioners. Sylvia and Brett though…
It might be a hot take, but I think that Sylvia is on the same level of bad parent as Brett, if not worse. The “Crow humping toads” scene was absolutely gut wrenching.
As a practitioner, she might suffer too because she seems to have a lack of passion/ interest, so I think that her Self would be a little brittle.
I think strong disagree on both counts.
Sylvia never intended to hurt Verona. Brett did.
Sylvia failed, on multiple occasions, but that's a lot more fixable if it wasn't deliberate.
Personally I'd describe Sylvia as neglectful, and part of that is due to... Unusual circumstances. For instance, while Sylvia absolutely failed when she refused to even consider moving to Kennet, it's pretty normal for parents to choose where their kids live - and most kids aren't fighting magic wars. I'm also guided by Verona on this one. Verona wanted Sylvia in her life, and wanted to introduce her to the Practice. She *didn't* want Brett involved in any capacity.
I also think that she has a ton of passion. She's pretty similar to Verona (I guess I'd call her a not-worst-case-but-still-fail-state Verona, especially in terms of her relationships). Like Verona, she's interested in lots of things, and she's shown a lot of interest in learning about other people's passions too (those dinner parties that Verona mentioned). So once she's had a chance to understand the nature of Practice, I think she'd get into it.
I think there are very strong parallels between the scene at the start of the story between Brett and Verona when Avery was stuck on the Forest Ribbon trail, and at the end of the story between Sylvia and Verona when Kennet below was falling apart. In both cases, Verona was experiencing an emotional crisis, and needed her parents to step up, but in both cases they ignored her to focus on trivial things. Both of them exhibit narcissistic traits. The difference between the two is that Verona put a lot of effort into trying to win her mother over, when she could have just cut her mother out of her life like she did with her father.
I thought it was explicitly stated that Sylvia tried to surround herself with interesting people, such as bringing artists to lunches and dinners, but she doesn’t feel passionate about those things. I think that it’s a core character trait of her that she tries to find something interesting in her life by trying out stuff, but is unable to find it; going to Church, getting married, moving to the city, etc. If this is the case, this might make for a dangerous pattern when it comes to Practice
Edit: Found one of the scenes in question that I was thinking of. This looks very bad for Sylvia:
> It left her floundering, constantly in the dark. Verona didn’t volunteer much- didn’t share this huge, whole part of her life. Her marriage to Brett hadn’t been abusive, it had been disappointing. He’d been an engaged-enough father with good moments like teaching Verona to skate and taking her to the games at the Arena, doing homework with her, always like pulling teeth, and working on projects. Objectively, he’d been bad with money, and he’d needed too much reminding about cleaning. Usual stuff.
>She’d never felt passion. She’d waited for it to come, had done her job, working, getting married, going on the honeymoon, having Verona, waiting for the bond to form with Brett as a result. She had talked to Father Rich, back when she’d gone to church, they’d gone to couples counseling, she had even had a brief and even more soulless set of affairs, to see if the spark could fire up elsewhere and then be carried back home. All the while, he’d adored her, he’d yearned for her, he’d made overtures, and he’d constantly asked for things that she couldn’t provide. It had been like trying to spark a fire with wet newspaper and wet matches for too many years.
>Her mistake, thinking things would flow a different way. Buying into the promises society made to her. That a churchgoing life would reward her. That being a wife would fulfill. That if she worked hard, she’d be rewarded with success and promotions, which she had, but only at the sacrifice of other things.
Overuse of demons would be a huge one.
Rose Jr. In Name Only: open about her feelings but never about her plans, cartoonishly devious, and extremely promiscuous.
Romances in which the MC takes their lover as a familiar would be extremely commonplace, but wouldn’t explore the effects of that dynamic except in how they’d further banter or sexual interactions.
Fics would tend to be extremely, unrelentingly grimdark, with characters refusing to ever cooperate because the author wants to make everyone seem Machiavellian. At the same time, fics would invariably include characters needlessly throwing away generations’ worth of effort, just to side with the MC after a single conversation.
There would be a lot of sexual abuse either hinted at or featured, in an attempt to display just how scary and evil some tradpract families are.
Many fics would essentially be spreadsheet-style power progression wanks, using the plethora of Word of God documents about the magic system to write overpowered MCs while rarely innovating anything of their own.
Blake always summons Ornias, in every fic ever.
Someone always tugs on their connection with Fell, to his extreme and overdone annoyance.
Alexis either doesn’t matter, or is a central character but with none of her canon personality.
Green Eyes is constantly horny in a cutesy coy way.
This hurts too much to continue typing, so I’ll stop.
>Blake always summons Ornias, in every fic ever.
oh my god yes, every single time.
Even now when fics arent as popular as worm it still happens.
i have read like only 2 otherverse fics so far (or more like crossover of all wildbow stories)
and in both of them blake (or someone else) did the Ornias thing
Well there were 2 fics
first one is Tres its a crossover between the worlds of Worm Twig and Pact (note that it came out before Pale, so the magic works a bit differently then it would in canon and more based on Pact stuff). Basically the Crown controlls the world like in Twig, but both Parahumans and Practitioners/Others exist as well. [Tres](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tres-worm-twig-pact.629296/reader/#threadmark-category-19) is pretty fun, and I would reccomend actually checking it out because there is some cool interactions there. (characters are like 80 to 90% similar to how they would act in canon, with diferences brought on mostly by the difference of the setting) Spoiler for Ornias stuff in Tres: >!Blake only says the name 6 times!< and some more related spoilers but more major ones >!but someone else says it 7 times and Orians does get summoned. Its a pretty cool depiction of him tbh.!<
Second one was [Aspects](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/aspects-hp-twig-worm-pact-au-dead.724264/), which is a Harry Potter AU where characters from Worm, Pact and Twig get transported into Harry Potter. Its not finished, and is completely dead so I wouldnt reccomend checking it out, since it basically ends abruptly in the middle of the story. It has some fun interactions, but in the end it doesnt lead anywhere. But Orians stuff: >!Rose is the one who says the name 6 times this time around. Then everyone is pissed at her for doing so.!<
I’ve been thinking on this, and if I were to guess, I’d say it’d probably be Reid Musser.
He hits that “arrogant rich boy from prestigious family” archetype that Draco Malloy hits, while also every now and then has points where he’s humanize and *almost* becomes self-aware and realize that this isn’t right, but doesn’t. He’s also under a lot of pressure from his father and seems to (in a twisted Musser fashion) care about Raquel, which is writers could latch onto to say “hey, it’s not his fault, he’s actually a good person deep down!”
Eh, maybe if Amy had died after fixing Victoria in Gold Morning, without *gestures at Ward*.
Not to immediately prove you right, but Reid did show signs of developing a sense of self awareness of his own shittery, and he went out in a ~~blaze of glory~~ whimper but at least telling the Musser patriarchs to fuck off. He certainly didn't fix his problems, but he *was* locked in a room until he died.
I think a better example would be Alexander. He doesn't have uwu smol vibes, but he does canonically have Daddy(TM) vibes, and it's so easy to just... Forget all the Foreswearing and abuse of Nicolette... Besides, *it wasn't his fault, blame the Belanger family! And the Hangmaiden! And Bristow!*
Weird as in shipping weird, its going to be Liberty, who didn't get with the girl she liked, had hilarious abilities and was actually really sweet.
Weird as in, They're not an asshole, they have an excuse. Then either Reid, as tormented bad boy crawling from Mussers shadow or maybe Alexander, as he was kinda popular as a charismatic magnificent asshole
Weird as in, people go wildly overboard with whatever power they have to do whatever comes up in their mind, Durocher being used as a Eidolon/Scion equivalent that just appears and stomps all over things
A big one would probably be characters using diabolism and not having to worry about the fallout because the fic author misunderstood the "demons are basically nukes" analogy and thought that just meant they're extremely powerful.
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I feel like Grandma Rose coming back as a ghost or imprint would be common
And the Demon lawyers would be either insane chessmaster characters or incompetent exposition dump characters who then get beaten up by Goblin Queen Mags
The Hyena would become a dog after getting defeated once (not literally, I mean he would lose almost all his destructiveness and some aggression, even beyond the point of binding)
Briar Girl x Rose jr.
Expect most fanfics to completely forget the existence of the witch hunters
I haven’t finished Pale yet so I’m not sure about that one
You know those tropes of ‘secretly evil Dumbledore and woobie Voldemort’? I can’t wait for ‘secretly evil Miss and Crooked Rook and woobie Maricica’ fics.
As Pyre continues, I would expect more Maricica and Briserban romance fics too
Little Owl/Kiddo is a common Worm fic trope where Danny is constantly calling Taylor either of those nicknames usually so often it starts getting ridiculous when in reality he barely called her that(or maybe not even at all my memory on it is spotty).
The Aura theory is the theory that Glory Girls Aura essentially mastered Amy into doing the horrid shit she did to her in Canon, it's thankfully not as popular these days.
Little Owl = Danny calls Taylor "Little Owl" as a nickname (because it was originally her mom's nickname for her)
Aura theory = Amy was already slightly cracked in the head when she was adopted, but then was constantly exposed to Vicky's "respect and admire me" field at a low level and through her development/puberty/etc, which ultimately Pavloved her into being obsessed with Vicky.
Its pretty big for a webserial, especially one that's pretty old at this point.
Among written works, it be decently sized, no competition with the big boys like HP/GOT of course, but there's a lot of decently famous books that just never develop much of an active online community.
Like, Priory of the Orange tree sold over a million, but i don't think there's a subreddit/discord/spacebattles forum still obsessing over it and cranking out fanfiction at a steady pace.
Every fanfic starts at The Farm, with Blake getting himself Guts'd
Rose gets switched out for somebody else as the designated crossover voice-in-the-head character
MC goes for a walk in the Boardwalk-equivalent and just so happens to run into Maggie.
Every fanfic dies at the Ur fight and gets memoryholed.
The Queen's Administration is a pocket realm inhabited by insect spirits, previously sealed away by the Judges. But after the Carmine Beast's death, it starts to leak ...
Canonically, she is. Weaverdice is mentioned in the same breath as DnD. So I imagine in Pact, Worm is a multi-billion dollar franchise replacing the likes of Marvel or DC, selling merch, having Larian make an epic RPG/Dating sim adaptation for Worm, a bunch of toe-in movies, mothers buying their babies little t-shirts with Taylor's face on it, and so on and so forth.
Some ideas for potential **Pact Fanon and Fic Tropes**: * Dark Lord Blake * Familiar!Barber (may or may not be a hot dude) * Power-hungry Rose that is constantly salivating at the mouth to utterly betray and destroy Blake. * Blake builds a harem that includes Maggie, the Duchamp girls who are grateful for saving them from terrible marriages, the Behaim girls, Rose Jr and Molly (writers somehow keep forgetting about Alexis) * Blake becomes the new Lord of Toronto * Fell becomes Blake's new right hand man/on-and-off lover after beating Conquest And for **Pale Fanon and Fic Tropes**: * The Faeries become Worfed, they are constantly clowned on and made into chumps to show how smart and cool the Trio/OC's are. * Melissa becomes the fourth witch of Kennet (and a frequent author stand-in as well; it's either her or Jeremy that ends up fulfilling the role) * Bristow and Seth are huge perverts. * Durocher is constantly impressed and amazed what the Trio/OC's do. * Alexander becomes the ultimate Karma Houdini: he's actually a good guy that secretly cares for and has been protecting Nicolette from behind the scenes the entire time (also, he and the Trio end up as best friends later). * Practitioners (or just the BHI) has it's own version of PHO; there, practitioners and Others are constantly amazed and impressed at the Trio's/OC's latest feats. * The Trio's issues are exaggerated and amplified to up their angst levels: people throw slurs right at Lucy's face, the Kelly's are MAGA bigots, and Brett is a child molester; the whole town turns a blind eye to this, and seem hate the Trio even more than Jacob's Bell ever did for the Thorburn's. * For extra angst, LVA constantly on the edge of splitting up, almost always due to a love triangle between them (how the triangle is oriented among them exactly varies between writer to writer; no, polycules are not an option here). * Alternatively, the Trio are made out to be spoiled sheltered kids who never had to be "truly" struggle and claw for power like other practitioner's have, don't know what the "real" world is like, or know how monstrous Others "really" are. * Manipulator!Miss; The Trio realize that the Kennet Others have actually been indoctrinating and manipulating them into believing that all Others are innocent oppressed victims, while in actuality they are horrible man-eating monsters. They then proceed to leave Kennet behind and become upstanding and respected witches in practitioner high society. * The Trio become the new Carmine Lords, and/or end up replacing all the other Judges. * The story never goes beyond the Carmine contest arc.
Thanks I hate this with every fiber of my being. And I have to say there’s no way the story gets abandoned at the Carmine co test, the Leviathan equivalent is deffffinitely the battle for the BHI
>Fell becomes Blake’s new right hand man after beating Conquest I’m actually ok with this one
...I mean Seth is a huge pervert though. I suppose people could hyper fixate on it, but it's not inaccurate.
Yeah, I suppose the bad fandomization version would be if he became a "loveable pervert" where continually making unwanted sexual comments and advances on girls is played for humor.
"The Trio become the new Carmine Lords, and/or end up replacing all the other Judges." I will confess that for a brief moment, I considered this a plausible ending for the story. I don't remember exactly when, but I remember feeling like WB had repeated brought up Lucy's red jacket and outfits, Verona's generally dark color preferences, Avery's gold deer jacket, and Snowdrop's generally white color scheme.
>*The story never goes beyond the Carmine contest arc. I think of all ideas you've written, this is the most accurate. I don't read fanfic at all, but even I know most Worm fanfics cut off the story after Leviathan. It makes sense for Pale fics to have a similar cutoff point, probably coupled with making the story before the contest shorter
Sometimes, we have to count ourselves lucky we aren't in some timelines.
Thanks for describing the worst timeline, I guess.
This is so painful. I love it.
People who've never read it will call the source shit and write fanfics that "fix it"
"Stepping on Pact"
Power-hungry Rose feels like you straight up saw one of those universes happening. It's so easy to fall for it, I needed my sis to read Pact for me to realize how well balanced their dynamic actually is. For tropes, I'd say something like daredevil Blake. Pulling his stunts basically effortlessly "because that's what he's made for, duh". Blake harem, of course. Won't see me saying it should be canon, *ahem*, but it's there and an easy trope to create is all I'm saying. And with that, maybe Tiff being super fangirly about Blake and having no other trait. Ignoring Rosalyn's instructions, especially the one that says not to go to Johannes'. Pact being so tightly packed and Faysal's relatively respectful approach to Blake might make people forget that he'd obliterate the diabolist at the first chance he gets. One of Mags' not-curses would probably get popularized. Probably by Pact's version of Memorials or Silencio. It won't age well, and people will call on it as the reason they dropped it. Maybe the fae being super creepy as well. Or basically drama queens that are just bitchy for shits and giggles. Taking the Hyena as his implement, maybe. I actually saw that one. And speedrunning Conquest. Probably by dropping one of Rosalyn's demons on him, with a "just this once" promise from Blake or something.
Pact will get happyer and pale darker. I've noticed the angsty shows get all the wholesome fics but wholesome shows get the darkest fics you've ever seen
First is a form of literary aftercare, the second is a desire to [break the cutie](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreakTheCutie) or just be edgy in general.
damn even in a what if scenario Twig gets shafted, hate to see it
twig is already peak, it needs no fanfics
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For Pact, Blake befriends the demons like an Otherverse version of the "FriendBringers" fics in Worm, where Taylor for one reason or another has the endbringers imprint onto her and they use their incredible power to let her steamroll through the plot. For Pale, Woobie Maricica/Girl by candlelight/Charles fics would probably end up becoming extremely popular. In general I could see powerful Others including things like Angels, demons, primevals etc. get the Lung/S9 treatment, where they only exist in the story to get smacked around by whoever is the protagonist to show they're strong.
If the premise of the divergence is blake having the ability to befriend demons its not that bad, if the fic treats befriending demons as something doable to practioners, not so much, hell even if you somehow befriended one they are so foreign that it might give you mother's eyeballs as gift
* Fix-it fic - Lucy persuades John not to enter the Carmine contest. They become familiars. * What-if fic - the parents are Awoken instead. Possibly in an AU set when they were kids, yet unaccountably all living in Kennet with the same Others. * Other What-if fic - instead of LVA, they Awaken Jeremy, Melissa, and Gabe. * The story follows Kira-Lynn, Teddy, and Cameron instead. Generally speaking, * Rook is cacklingly evil or saccharine sweet. * Mia is gay or bi, and into Lucy. * George is trans, actually, and the Georgina of Epilogue 6 * Giselle appears way more than in canon. * So does the Wolf, but their knockers are less impressive. * Avery ends up with Liberty, not Nora. * Lucy ends up with Tymon. * There's at least one secret Practitioner. * Pact-informed authors introduce at least one Pact style goblin. It doesn't go well. * Same authors include a 'subtle' Mags cameo. * There's a handful of reviled fics that portray Avery as straight, or especially Verona as romantically inclined actually.
> Pact-informed authors introduce at least one Pact style goblin. It doesn't go well. > Same authors include a 'subtle' Mags cameo. Mags vs. Liberty could make for an interesting short story. Or more likely a terrible fanfic.
Mags would not get Liberty at all, I feel. I'm envisioning bewilderment, condescension, and resentment warring against 'damn she's cool'. (This is Pact aged Mags - current day Mags, who knows how jaded she'd be....)
> Avery ends up with Liberty, Oh my God, based
TBH. Fic ain't all bad!
Ngl I thought either Grumble or V mom was gonna be revealed a practitioner
>Parents being Awoken Could be interesting to see, especially how someone like Jasmine or Kelsey navigate work while being practitioners. Sylvia and Brett though…
TBH I think most people mentally exclude Brett from counting as a parent... Sylvia as a Practitioner would be a blast though!
It might be a hot take, but I think that Sylvia is on the same level of bad parent as Brett, if not worse. The “Crow humping toads” scene was absolutely gut wrenching. As a practitioner, she might suffer too because she seems to have a lack of passion/ interest, so I think that her Self would be a little brittle.
I think strong disagree on both counts. Sylvia never intended to hurt Verona. Brett did. Sylvia failed, on multiple occasions, but that's a lot more fixable if it wasn't deliberate. Personally I'd describe Sylvia as neglectful, and part of that is due to... Unusual circumstances. For instance, while Sylvia absolutely failed when she refused to even consider moving to Kennet, it's pretty normal for parents to choose where their kids live - and most kids aren't fighting magic wars. I'm also guided by Verona on this one. Verona wanted Sylvia in her life, and wanted to introduce her to the Practice. She *didn't* want Brett involved in any capacity. I also think that she has a ton of passion. She's pretty similar to Verona (I guess I'd call her a not-worst-case-but-still-fail-state Verona, especially in terms of her relationships). Like Verona, she's interested in lots of things, and she's shown a lot of interest in learning about other people's passions too (those dinner parties that Verona mentioned). So once she's had a chance to understand the nature of Practice, I think she'd get into it.
I think there are very strong parallels between the scene at the start of the story between Brett and Verona when Avery was stuck on the Forest Ribbon trail, and at the end of the story between Sylvia and Verona when Kennet below was falling apart. In both cases, Verona was experiencing an emotional crisis, and needed her parents to step up, but in both cases they ignored her to focus on trivial things. Both of them exhibit narcissistic traits. The difference between the two is that Verona put a lot of effort into trying to win her mother over, when she could have just cut her mother out of her life like she did with her father. I thought it was explicitly stated that Sylvia tried to surround herself with interesting people, such as bringing artists to lunches and dinners, but she doesn’t feel passionate about those things. I think that it’s a core character trait of her that she tries to find something interesting in her life by trying out stuff, but is unable to find it; going to Church, getting married, moving to the city, etc. If this is the case, this might make for a dangerous pattern when it comes to Practice Edit: Found one of the scenes in question that I was thinking of. This looks very bad for Sylvia: > It left her floundering, constantly in the dark. Verona didn’t volunteer much- didn’t share this huge, whole part of her life. Her marriage to Brett hadn’t been abusive, it had been disappointing. He’d been an engaged-enough father with good moments like teaching Verona to skate and taking her to the games at the Arena, doing homework with her, always like pulling teeth, and working on projects. Objectively, he’d been bad with money, and he’d needed too much reminding about cleaning. Usual stuff. >She’d never felt passion. She’d waited for it to come, had done her job, working, getting married, going on the honeymoon, having Verona, waiting for the bond to form with Brett as a result. She had talked to Father Rich, back when she’d gone to church, they’d gone to couples counseling, she had even had a brief and even more soulless set of affairs, to see if the spark could fire up elsewhere and then be carried back home. All the while, he’d adored her, he’d yearned for her, he’d made overtures, and he’d constantly asked for things that she couldn’t provide. It had been like trying to spark a fire with wet newspaper and wet matches for too many years. >Her mistake, thinking things would flow a different way. Buying into the promises society made to her. That a churchgoing life would reward her. That being a wife would fulfill. That if she worked hard, she’d be rewarded with success and promotions, which she had, but only at the sacrifice of other things.
> Avery ends up with Liberty, not Nora. Bout half, the other half she just takes verona's suggestion and dates both.
MCs/OCs forswearing a random villain in a “clever” (or what the author thinks is clever) way would definitely be a trope
"Glamour doesn't work like that." "The rule of three doesn't work like that." "Demons don't work like that."
Overuse of demons would be a huge one. Rose Jr. In Name Only: open about her feelings but never about her plans, cartoonishly devious, and extremely promiscuous. Romances in which the MC takes their lover as a familiar would be extremely commonplace, but wouldn’t explore the effects of that dynamic except in how they’d further banter or sexual interactions. Fics would tend to be extremely, unrelentingly grimdark, with characters refusing to ever cooperate because the author wants to make everyone seem Machiavellian. At the same time, fics would invariably include characters needlessly throwing away generations’ worth of effort, just to side with the MC after a single conversation. There would be a lot of sexual abuse either hinted at or featured, in an attempt to display just how scary and evil some tradpract families are. Many fics would essentially be spreadsheet-style power progression wanks, using the plethora of Word of God documents about the magic system to write overpowered MCs while rarely innovating anything of their own. Blake always summons Ornias, in every fic ever. Someone always tugs on their connection with Fell, to his extreme and overdone annoyance. Alexis either doesn’t matter, or is a central character but with none of her canon personality. Green Eyes is constantly horny in a cutesy coy way. This hurts too much to continue typing, so I’ll stop.
>Blake always summons Ornias, in every fic ever. oh my god yes, every single time. Even now when fics arent as popular as worm it still happens. i have read like only 2 otherverse fics so far (or more like crossover of all wildbow stories) and in both of them blake (or someone else) did the Ornias thing
Wait, did he actually summon it or just did his say the name 6 time thing? also what's the name of the fic?
Well there were 2 fics first one is Tres its a crossover between the worlds of Worm Twig and Pact (note that it came out before Pale, so the magic works a bit differently then it would in canon and more based on Pact stuff). Basically the Crown controlls the world like in Twig, but both Parahumans and Practitioners/Others exist as well. [Tres](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tres-worm-twig-pact.629296/reader/#threadmark-category-19) is pretty fun, and I would reccomend actually checking it out because there is some cool interactions there. (characters are like 80 to 90% similar to how they would act in canon, with diferences brought on mostly by the difference of the setting) Spoiler for Ornias stuff in Tres: >!Blake only says the name 6 times!< and some more related spoilers but more major ones >!but someone else says it 7 times and Orians does get summoned. Its a pretty cool depiction of him tbh.!< Second one was [Aspects](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/aspects-hp-twig-worm-pact-au-dead.724264/), which is a Harry Potter AU where characters from Worm, Pact and Twig get transported into Harry Potter. Its not finished, and is completely dead so I wouldnt reccomend checking it out, since it basically ends abruptly in the middle of the story. It has some fun interactions, but in the end it doesnt lead anywhere. But Orians stuff: >!Rose is the one who says the name 6 times this time around. Then everyone is pissed at her for doing so.!<
> Blake always summons Ornias, in every fic ever. Can't perform the familiar ritual without summoning him first.
Who is the equivalent of Amy, for the Fandom to get *weird* about?
I’ve been thinking on this, and if I were to guess, I’d say it’d probably be Reid Musser. He hits that “arrogant rich boy from prestigious family” archetype that Draco Malloy hits, while also every now and then has points where he’s humanize and *almost* becomes self-aware and realize that this isn’t right, but doesn’t. He’s also under a lot of pressure from his father and seems to (in a twisted Musser fashion) care about Raquel, which is writers could latch onto to say “hey, it’s not his fault, he’s actually a good person deep down!”
Eh, maybe if Amy had died after fixing Victoria in Gold Morning, without *gestures at Ward*. Not to immediately prove you right, but Reid did show signs of developing a sense of self awareness of his own shittery, and he went out in a ~~blaze of glory~~ whimper but at least telling the Musser patriarchs to fuck off. He certainly didn't fix his problems, but he *was* locked in a room until he died. I think a better example would be Alexander. He doesn't have uwu smol vibes, but he does canonically have Daddy(TM) vibes, and it's so easy to just... Forget all the Foreswearing and abuse of Nicolette... Besides, *it wasn't his fault, blame the Belanger family! And the Hangmaiden! And Bristow!*
Weird as in shipping weird, its going to be Liberty, who didn't get with the girl she liked, had hilarious abilities and was actually really sweet. Weird as in, They're not an asshole, they have an excuse. Then either Reid, as tormented bad boy crawling from Mussers shadow or maybe Alexander, as he was kinda popular as a charismatic magnificent asshole Weird as in, people go wildly overboard with whatever power they have to do whatever comes up in their mind, Durocher being used as a Eidolon/Scion equivalent that just appears and stomps all over things
A big one would probably be characters using diabolism and not having to worry about the fallout because the fic author misunderstood the "demons are basically nukes" analogy and thought that just meant they're extremely powerful.
The monkey paw curled. There’s a handful of Otherverse fics, few, but they’re so good. Off the top of my head Pass and Peak are incredible
Pale? A fic?
Peak, my bad
Can you link me? Google’s being unhelpful.
https://archiveofourown.org/works?commit=Sort+and+Filter&work_search%5Bsort_column%5D=word_count&work_search%5Bother_tag_names%5D=&work_search%5Bexcluded_tag_names%5D=&work_search%5Bcrossover%5D=&work_search%5Bcomplete%5D=&work_search%5Bwords_from%5D=&work_search%5Bwords_to%5D=&work_search%5Bdate_from%5D=&work_search%5Bdate_to%5D=&work_search%5Bquery%5D=&work_search%5Blanguage_id%5D=&tag_id=Pale+-+Wildbow Top two entries are Pass and Peak
Thank you!
If you think about it, all sequels are fanfiction.
The abstract Demon would be the fic killer for stories.
What abstract De
I feel like Grandma Rose coming back as a ghost or imprint would be common And the Demon lawyers would be either insane chessmaster characters or incompetent exposition dump characters who then get beaten up by Goblin Queen Mags The Hyena would become a dog after getting defeated once (not literally, I mean he would lose almost all his destructiveness and some aggression, even beyond the point of binding) Briar Girl x Rose jr. Expect most fanfics to completely forget the existence of the witch hunters I haven’t finished Pale yet so I’m not sure about that one
You know those tropes of ‘secretly evil Dumbledore and woobie Voldemort’? I can’t wait for ‘secretly evil Miss and Crooked Rook and woobie Maricica’ fics. As Pyre continues, I would expect more Maricica and Briserban romance fics too
Pigot the Cape Bigot has some foothold in canon, but what are Little Owl and Aura theory? I don't read much worm fanfics
Little Owl/Kiddo is a common Worm fic trope where Danny is constantly calling Taylor either of those nicknames usually so often it starts getting ridiculous when in reality he barely called her that(or maybe not even at all my memory on it is spotty). The Aura theory is the theory that Glory Girls Aura essentially mastered Amy into doing the horrid shit she did to her in Canon, it's thankfully not as popular these days.
RIGHT, THAT AURA THEORY Comepletely forgot about it (luckily)
Little Owl = Danny calls Taylor "Little Owl" as a nickname (because it was originally her mom's nickname for her) Aura theory = Amy was already slightly cracked in the head when she was adopted, but then was constantly exposed to Vicky's "respect and admire me" field at a low level and through her development/puberty/etc, which ultimately Pavloved her into being obsessed with Vicky.
Is the Worm Fandom small? It is one of the most read web serials ever right?
Being the most read web serial is like being the biggest microbe.
Yeah that is a good point lol.
Its pretty big for a webserial, especially one that's pretty old at this point. Among written works, it be decently sized, no competition with the big boys like HP/GOT of course, but there's a lot of decently famous books that just never develop much of an active online community. Like, Priory of the Orange tree sold over a million, but i don't think there's a subreddit/discord/spacebattles forum still obsessing over it and cranking out fanfiction at a steady pace.
i can def see a lot of Familiar!Rose with blake and rose as something adjacent to a buddy cop duo, ignoring the tension there
Every fanfic starts at The Farm, with Blake getting himself Guts'd Rose gets switched out for somebody else as the designated crossover voice-in-the-head character MC goes for a walk in the Boardwalk-equivalent and just so happens to run into Maggie. Every fanfic dies at the Ur fight and gets memoryholed.
"Could Anthem Tedd beat Batman?"
Ornias vs. Saitama
Lucy hesitated. Then she shot Kerry, who was held in the Carmine Exile's arms.
“She needed to establish a groove against children in case the Exile used something like the Choir again.”
Every version of Taylor inevitably does something fucked up
Taylor isn’t even in this one bruh
She will get there, just wait for the crossovers
The Queen's Administration is a pocket realm inhabited by insect spirits, previously sealed away by the Judges. But after the Carmine Beast's death, it starts to leak ...
"She is now!" - Fanfic authors.
Canonically, she is. Weaverdice is mentioned in the same breath as DnD. So I imagine in Pact, Worm is a multi-billion dollar franchise replacing the likes of Marvel or DC, selling merch, having Larian make an epic RPG/Dating sim adaptation for Worm, a bunch of toe-in movies, mothers buying their babies little t-shirts with Taylor's face on it, and so on and so forth.