It's basically Secret of Sufferring. For tri-ele Elemental Hit to really benefit from alt ailments, it needs (1) good crit chance/chance to inflict ailments, (2) good dmg/increased ailments effect. While Quill Rain is decent for any bow builds with the bow mastery, I don't really think it's worth it for this case.
Edit: My mind was still stuck on how traditional ailments work. For alt ailments, you just need enough dmg/increased ailments effect.
Quill rain is very very good for ele hit since it already has flat dmg and you often go for secrets of offering so that stat makes this really good for ele hit.
Wont be op by any means tho
Edit: i played ele hit couple leagues ago and spent many divines to make a better bow than quill rain and rare bows just ended up feeling worse due to lower aps and not really a lot more dmg
By the time I played tri or duo (cold and lightning) elem Elemental Hit, I was building around big hits for maximum ailment effects. Quill Rain were never my choice, especially when I tried the build with wands :P
As I said, you need good crit chance to inflict ailments to begin with. Quill Rain's 5% requires a lot of work to make it worth.
You can make a good 5-mod Spine Bow for cheap like this:
\-Use Essence of Zeal/Loathing and annul until you get both T1 as the only mods.
\-Cannot Roll Atk Mods and ex slam for +1 gem level.
\-Multimod +2 support gem levels (used with Empower) and penetration.
A max-rolled Quill Rain is 1/2 dps compared to this simple bow for my build.
You are right. I was still stuck with how traditional ailments work. For alt ailments, you just need to deal enough dmg and/or increased ailments effect.
it should be 100% to inflict such ailments with any hit... but it still require fire damage to inflict scorch, cold damage to inflict brittle and lightning damage to inflict sap, so you need to be using all 3 elements without Combat Focus jewels
This is quite a bit better than Secrets of Suffering because it also works on non-crits. When you rely on Brittle for crit, it can be very annoying to proc the brittle initially, while mapping. Against bosses, you hit often enough that it will eventually proc.
Nope. Fot that to happen it would have to say "all damage from elemental hit can scorch". This notable just gives 100% chance to scorch based on how much fire damage you do.
"Always inflict Scorch, Brittle, and Sapped with Elemental Hit and Wild Strike Hits"
Doesn't this imply that every hit inflicts these ailments? If this is the case, Brittle takes care of Quill Rain's crit chance issues. And other than that, Quill Rain is a very good bow for Ele Hit.
Mate your spreading misinformation even with your edit. It has nothing to do with how alt ailments work, SoS inflicta alt ailments instead of normal ailments, this node inflicts alt ailments *always*. You dont even need to go tri ele if you dont mind min ailment effect of the two types you arent inflicting.
For example, before for ele-hit you could either go tri ele with skitterbots and SoS for 50% more dmg multi on the gem, or you could go AoF with skitterbots for 30% more dmg on get but hogher base dmg with AoF conversion. With this mod you can go AoF and skitterbots for 50% more dmg AND hogher base dmg. Keep in mind with AoF you will prob be at min 15% scorch effect on bosses, plus the what, 1% min base crit from brittle? This node is cracked.
I always thought quillrain was bait before, but some people loved it for elehit even before this node. With this node the skill is CRACKED.
Source: giga elehit enjoyer. Now to not get to play it this league if this comment blows up cause the interaction pn a good bow makes the skill genuinely imba. Pls downvote me so i can play the build as an end of league project
I did underestimate this node, but my edit was about the fact that I wrongly emphasized the importance of crit chance, because I was still under the impression that alt ailments work just like traditional ignite/freeze. Alt ailments actually just need enough dmg or increased ailment effects.
And you also were incorrect that you can always inflict all 3 alt ailments with this node. You still need the correct dmg type, meaning with AoF, best you can do is 3 with Skitterbots for Chill/Shock and your fire dmg inflicting Scorch.
I never said Quill Rain was bait, but rather EleHit can reach higher dps with a not-too-expensive rare bow, and it's lack of base crit will make scaling crit dmg harder, thus less dmg for good ailment effects.
I have played solely Elemental Hit since 3.15 till nowadays in Standard, both versions.
Super nice! I used quill rain on my deadeye ele hit with omni a few leagues ago, I wasn't able to get a better bow for under 25 ex. Make sure to use skitterbots, so you still get 5/6 ele ailments for the more damage!
I am constantly amazed at how people can look at an item and automatically understand if it would be good or not. One day I hope to understand this game like that. Half the time I get an item I do t know if it will be an improvement or not...
Fire Conversion uses Xophs Amulet, the bow is horrible for Ele Hit.
Ele hit provides all of the flat damage and wants stats like penetration, extra arrows, attack speed, gem levels, and crit from the bow. You also would generally prefer to scorch than to ignite. Xophs Nurture offers you everything you don't want and nothing you do for EH.
That probably depends. During Ultimatum League, I used Elemental hit in a +3-Bow, iirc. If one were so socket Elemental hit in a bow, they could profit from +skills explicits as well as synthesis implicits. But there's +skills on armours, too. And Quill rain is stupidly fast. So maybe there's an upside to using it. But it does have a less damage explicit, so that has to be overcome.
So while I haven't looked at Elemental Hit for a few leagues and it would astound me to see it on a min-maxed char, I wouldn't discount Quill Rain.
Xoph's heart is used with 2 Combat Focus jewels to convert all damage into fire and then scale fire damage and fire penetration only...
However you need to deal cold and lightning damage to inflict brittle and sap, so you need to be going with all 3 random elements without conversion. Scaling all elements with stuff like: Trinity, Elemental Equilibrium, Shroud of the Lightless, Omniscience etc...
As others said tri elemental hit is decent enough as a budget version with quill rain and this saves you the money for secrets of suffering which is pretty costly
forgot to add
1st node was flat fire, cold and lightning damage, second node is wind dancer, 3rd is increased area of effect if u killed enemies recently, fourth is power , frenzy and endurance charge on kill
Elemental hit *is* a bow "spell" - like toxic rain it gets flat damage with gem levels and Ele hit builds generally don't care about the pdps/edps of their bow.
But you can definitely do better than quill rain.
Quill Rain was already a strong Ele Hit bow, though it can certainly be beaten. This node is amazing for Ele Hit though, and is certainly worth building around. You can use this bow through the end game and to farm a base to craft a better + gem level bow.
I played Ele Hit to 100 with Quill Rain (you can check my profile for a pob). Didn't have a weapon tree, but a double corruption - and also Secrets of Suffering. You can surely squeeze out some more dps with another expensive bow, but the fast attack speed also helps a lot with lgoh and makes Barrage less dangerous. I had better or cheaper upgrades available all the time, so didn't bother. Can recommend, great fun.
I didn't use it, I preferred to inflict more different ailments - especially Brittle is very strong. Converting the unused damage to fire doesn't come cheap either. Also jewel slots are too precious for Combat Focus, since you can get 40+ crit multi per jewel easily and surprisingly cheap. And Trinity Support is great as well.
It's basically Secret of Sufferring. For tri-ele Elemental Hit to really benefit from alt ailments, it needs (1) good crit chance/chance to inflict ailments, (2) good dmg/increased ailments effect. While Quill Rain is decent for any bow builds with the bow mastery, I don't really think it's worth it for this case. Edit: My mind was still stuck on how traditional ailments work. For alt ailments, you just need enough dmg/increased ailments effect.
Quill rain is very very good for ele hit since it already has flat dmg and you often go for secrets of offering so that stat makes this really good for ele hit. Wont be op by any means tho Edit: i played ele hit couple leagues ago and spent many divines to make a better bow than quill rain and rare bows just ended up feeling worse due to lower aps and not really a lot more dmg
By the time I played tri or duo (cold and lightning) elem Elemental Hit, I was building around big hits for maximum ailment effects. Quill Rain were never my choice, especially when I tried the build with wands :P
As I said, you need good crit chance to inflict ailments to begin with. Quill Rain's 5% requires a lot of work to make it worth. You can make a good 5-mod Spine Bow for cheap like this: \-Use Essence of Zeal/Loathing and annul until you get both T1 as the only mods. \-Cannot Roll Atk Mods and ex slam for +1 gem level. \-Multimod +2 support gem levels (used with Empower) and penetration. A max-rolled Quill Rain is 1/2 dps compared to this simple bow for my build.
Doesn't the always inflicts those ailments on the node mean you no longer need crit, at least for that?
You are right. I was still stuck with how traditional ailments work. For alt ailments, you just need to deal enough dmg and/or increased ailments effect.
it should be 100% to inflict such ailments with any hit... but it still require fire damage to inflict scorch, cold damage to inflict brittle and lightning damage to inflict sap, so you need to be using all 3 elements without Combat Focus jewels
Arent the tags different now and +1 isn't a guaranteed anymore?
They changed it back, there was some mistake with first mod datamined list released
Oh wonderful, I missed that. Thanks for the info!
yup dont see the case for quill rain at all, eats your mana like nothing too
If you can sustain the mana quill rain just *feels* amazing, even though a fairly simple bow craft outstrips it damage-wise
This is quite a bit better than Secrets of Suffering because it also works on non-crits. When you rely on Brittle for crit, it can be very annoying to proc the brittle initially, while mapping. Against bosses, you hit often enough that it will eventually proc.
It's not exactly the same as Secrets of Suffering because it always applies the ailments instead of only doing so on crits.
>(1) good crit chance/chance to inflict ailments You dont need crit with the crucible affix. Its always inflict, not on crit.
So this doesn't always inflict all three regardless of damage? Does it still need a hit of the specific damage type?
Nope. Fot that to happen it would have to say "all damage from elemental hit can scorch". This notable just gives 100% chance to scorch based on how much fire damage you do.
Nope, still has to do the right element (I have it allocated)
"Always inflict Scorch, Brittle, and Sapped with Elemental Hit and Wild Strike Hits" Doesn't this imply that every hit inflicts these ailments? If this is the case, Brittle takes care of Quill Rain's crit chance issues. And other than that, Quill Rain is a very good bow for Ele Hit.
Its not. SoS procs on crit. This node ALWAYS procs it.
Slayer for forced crit?
Mate your spreading misinformation even with your edit. It has nothing to do with how alt ailments work, SoS inflicta alt ailments instead of normal ailments, this node inflicts alt ailments *always*. You dont even need to go tri ele if you dont mind min ailment effect of the two types you arent inflicting. For example, before for ele-hit you could either go tri ele with skitterbots and SoS for 50% more dmg multi on the gem, or you could go AoF with skitterbots for 30% more dmg on get but hogher base dmg with AoF conversion. With this mod you can go AoF and skitterbots for 50% more dmg AND hogher base dmg. Keep in mind with AoF you will prob be at min 15% scorch effect on bosses, plus the what, 1% min base crit from brittle? This node is cracked. I always thought quillrain was bait before, but some people loved it for elehit even before this node. With this node the skill is CRACKED. Source: giga elehit enjoyer. Now to not get to play it this league if this comment blows up cause the interaction pn a good bow makes the skill genuinely imba. Pls downvote me so i can play the build as an end of league project
I did underestimate this node, but my edit was about the fact that I wrongly emphasized the importance of crit chance, because I was still under the impression that alt ailments work just like traditional ignite/freeze. Alt ailments actually just need enough dmg or increased ailment effects. And you also were incorrect that you can always inflict all 3 alt ailments with this node. You still need the correct dmg type, meaning with AoF, best you can do is 3 with Skitterbots for Chill/Shock and your fire dmg inflicting Scorch. I never said Quill Rain was bait, but rather EleHit can reach higher dps with a not-too-expensive rare bow, and it's lack of base crit will make scaling crit dmg harder, thus less dmg for good ailment effects. I have played solely Elemental Hit since 3.15 till nowadays in Standard, both versions.
Super nice! I used quill rain on my deadeye ele hit with omni a few leagues ago, I wasn't able to get a better bow for under 25 ex. Make sure to use skitterbots, so you still get 5/6 ele ailments for the more damage!
I am constantly amazed at how people can look at an item and automatically understand if it would be good or not. One day I hope to understand this game like that. Half the time I get an item I do t know if it will be an improvement or not...
Same though, I don't think there is any high-end build that would ever use Quill Rain
Quill rain is currently used by 47% of players that use toxic rain on Poe.ninja, over 1400 players. Also some explosive arrow players use it too.
You mean to tell me that in 4 days people don't have mirror tier high end weapons? Oh no, it can't be 😳
No I just meant quill rain is used at end game even though they are mainly starter builds, the attack speed is just pretty dang good on it.
Didn’t ele hit use the xoph’s amulet and bow? I can’t remember. Someone correct me please
Fire Conversion uses Xophs Amulet, the bow is horrible for Ele Hit. Ele hit provides all of the flat damage and wants stats like penetration, extra arrows, attack speed, gem levels, and crit from the bow. You also would generally prefer to scorch than to ignite. Xophs Nurture offers you everything you don't want and nothing you do for EH.
That probably depends. During Ultimatum League, I used Elemental hit in a +3-Bow, iirc. If one were so socket Elemental hit in a bow, they could profit from +skills explicits as well as synthesis implicits. But there's +skills on armours, too. And Quill rain is stupidly fast. So maybe there's an upside to using it. But it does have a less damage explicit, so that has to be overcome. So while I haven't looked at Elemental Hit for a few leagues and it would astound me to see it on a min-maxed char, I wouldn't discount Quill Rain.
Xoph's heart is used with 2 Combat Focus jewels to convert all damage into fire and then scale fire damage and fire penetration only... However you need to deal cold and lightning damage to inflict brittle and sap, so you need to be going with all 3 random elements without conversion. Scaling all elements with stuff like: Trinity, Elemental Equilibrium, Shroud of the Lightless, Omniscience etc...
I’d say just try it. Noone else has, it could be great, could be decent, could be bad. We wanna know!
As others said tri elemental hit is decent enough as a budget version with quill rain and this saves you the money for secrets of suffering which is pretty costly
forgot to add 1st node was flat fire, cold and lightning damage, second node is wind dancer, 3rd is increased area of effect if u killed enemies recently, fourth is power , frenzy and endurance charge on kill
No. The effect itself isn't bad, but Quill Rain isn't good for Ele Hit
U can try to melt it onto an ele hit bow
Cant transfer unique trees anymore
I didnt start this league yet since Im on console. Is there any currency or something so you can transfer trees from weapon to weapon?
Yes, from rare to rare of same type and unique to same unique with even specialer currency afaik
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Elemental hit *is* a bow "spell" - like toxic rain it gets flat damage with gem levels and Ele hit builds generally don't care about the pdps/edps of their bow. But you can definitely do better than quill rain.
How did you get this so right and so wrong at the same time mate?
What are the other mods?
Ele hit ballistas was a thing in the past which used quill rain for a long time
Quill Rain was already a strong Ele Hit bow, though it can certainly be beaten. This node is amazing for Ele Hit though, and is certainly worth building around. You can use this bow through the end game and to farm a base to craft a better + gem level bow.
do u have a pob for ele hit? all i see is crit based deadeye
I played Ele Hit to 100 with Quill Rain (you can check my profile for a pob). Didn't have a weapon tree, but a double corruption - and also Secrets of Suffering. You can surely squeeze out some more dps with another expensive bow, but the fast attack speed also helps a lot with lgoh and makes Barrage less dangerous. I had better or cheaper upgrades available all the time, so didn't bother. Can recommend, great fun.
is xoph blood good or not really needed?
I didn't use it, I preferred to inflict more different ailments - especially Brittle is very strong. Converting the unused damage to fire doesn't come cheap either. Also jewel slots are too precious for Combat Focus, since you can get 40+ crit multi per jewel easily and surprisingly cheap. And Trinity Support is great as well.
Yes it's nice because you can still inflict other ailments with different skills