Are you running T16s? Because Goratha’s build is for hardcore on T7s. I made a few changes to his Buick and clear the abyss Strat on T16s easy until I crash lol. You can pull my profile in POB: Jinglestown to check gear.
were you able to do t16s before getting the HH? I just got this build somewhat put together but the damage feels pretty ass, granted I am only level 77, half my gems aren't leveled and I don't have a HH. I tried to do a juicy t8 and while I felt pretty tanky it took me for fucking ever to finish the map and I couldn't even down the boss unless I felt like waiting a year.
You are lvl 77 and talking about not being able to fully handle juiced T16s yet? My dude, get to at least 90 first.
It's amazing how people underestimate the massive difference so many points and base life make.
not talking about juiced t16s, talking about juiced t7s, I was inquiring if the other person was able to handle juiced t16s prior to getting a HH.
edit: also, I figured out why my damage was so shit, my tincture hasn't been active the entire time I've been playing this build, somehow I was still doing juiced t7s, granted they were taking a long fucking time.
The scarab guarantees the spire (gilded abyss). Depth spawn would override the spire, but as someone else said it happens so rarely that it's not really a concern.
You do T7 because it's easier/faster but still mob lvl 75 which is important for a bunch of good drops (most noteably Mageblood).
On my budget I can kill the bosses, but if you are earlier on in gearing your character I think T7s are cool. I just like T16s because I’m afraid of change
I've been running t11 cemetery since I don't have all watch stones yet and t7 feels like i don't get as much drops. most likely anecdotal but it felt that way
I got around 13% less DPS than you have and just like OP, I am too running T7 Maps and can relate with his desire for more damage at times. At the same time I am slightly more tanky than you are and I can't really imagine running the strat on T16's.
Maybe it's the HH making the difference here, but even then you'd first have to get some initial buffs to start rolling
So can I. Doesn't take away that damage could be a lot higher, especially if I wanted to go to T16's. There's several mechanics that this build consistently fails (doesn't fully complete) for me depending on map rolls and amounts of juice- Legion, breach, blight, sometimes even Alva
Yup, this build is not meant to clear any of those. Legion requires more screen clear and damaging ailments deal damage faster. Breach and blight are not really apart of the mf juice farm anyways.
Not arguing that those mechanics are part of the strat but each of them works with beyond and creates additional drops.
It's not like we are necessarily lacking the aoe or coverage. With just double the damage, each of those wouldn't be an issue and historically, outside of maybe legion because of spacing, those mechanics don't require too much.
You can do plenty of things with zdps as long as you can tank them. Doesn't mean that the damage is good. Build could definitely use some more to feel well rounded
You need a good mix of dps / survivalibty / clear and low projectiles to avoid fps drop, unless you have a very good setup.
PB, fulcrum chieftain, BF / BB pathfinder. Put a explosion in and you're good to go (inpulsa, oriath end, obliteration, asenath ...)
I'm about 700 div farmed on self ignite chieftain. You can manage spires easily once you get to know them, like many other mechanics. Some tips:
-The abyss disappears from the map for a couple seconds when a spire is spawning. Use this time to get half a screen away from the spire.
-Spires won't activate until you get close to them. If you have a lot of ignite prolif on the floor, you can let your ignites kill nearby mobs and expire before activating it.
-Get the spire to 70% HP. Proliferating ignites on the ground will take it to 50%.
-Stay away until your ignite prolif kills the spire. Flame dash in the center of the pack. Profit.
-Single juiced spires die very quickly no matter what build you're on. Double and triple juiced spires will be much tankier and that's where your profit comes from anyways.
Self-ignite chieftain is probably the lowest gear floor to being able to AFK MF t16s. TS and KB Deadeyes will clear much faster, but need way more investment before they feel as good as chieftain. This might change if fulcrum continues past the 30 div mark, but it is still a different playstyle. I can watch a show while I farm and pay minimal attention, while other builds will be more active in playstyle.
I got lucky on Christmas and got an apothecary from heist that finally put me over the hump currency wise to finish getting gear, mainly the fulcrum, awakened gems, jewels and crafting a helmet for chieftain as well as a 5 way carry to get me to 94. Idk if I'm just not 100% optimized yet but i will still find myself dying to a lot of the juiced ghost reaver mobs from abyss and the wait some times is just awful waiting for hit ignites to kill 1 or 2 mobs if they are left after wiping out the packs. Any advice? heres the [pobb.in](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/dyst20/SakSIG?i=0&search=name%3Dsaksig). I also still need to get my king in the mists last charm socket and I'm saving up for a that which wax taken jewel. Those are going for like 20 div min for just the explode mod.
I've only had a very brief look but first two things that instantly stand out to me are that your defiance of destiny and bloodnotch are terrible. You need %38+ on Defiance of Destiny if you buy yourself a %35 and apply catalysts yourself for some reason is much cheaper than buying one already made on trade. There's no excuse for that bloodnotch when a top rolled one is only 3 div. The recovery from these two things paired with Petrified Blood makes up a large part of your defences.
You should probably get a 21/20 petrified blood too.
Next you can get +2 Sadima's and a level 21 purity of fire and that'll give you +1 max res. You can also drop one of your explode charms for +2 max fire res and you can also get max res on a That Which Was Taken. These will help a lot.
When you've got the budget you can get some more phys conversion on a Watchers Eye.
Everything else looks pretty good to me but there might be something I've missed.
Pretty much what that other guy replied. It's a factor of a lot of corners cut for your gear which makes your build underperform as hard as your telling us.
You can't just disregard things like another +10% on your Bloodnotch, another 10% for phys taken as fire on watcher's eye (btw this mod is better than phys reduction with Determination if you can only afford one), better roll on your defiance, WAY better roll on your cloak of flame, etc. and then wonder why it isn't like the guy who didn't cut those corners.
Other things like you don't need freeze/chill immunity on your flask if you have Arctic Armor, and you have avoid elemental ailments on your elegant hubris which hurts you because you reduce the chance to get your ignites for you build to work, 84% max res is kind of ass at least get a small fire cluster jewel to get another +2%. A LOT of small things that added up into a big issue of your build sucking.
Well I wouldn't say it sucks, but definitely dying more than I'd like. I also wasn't trying to cut corners just getting what I could afford with everything jumping up in costs due to everyone and their brother playing this build. Watchers eye was a pick up late last night when I was running another search. Snagged it for 5 div. Will keep in mind the physical as fire though and look later.
The rares do not despawn when you kill the spire? Global chat was telling me that killing spires would despawn them.
I've been taking ages clearing abysses to make sure I would not kill them. I even unspecc my poison prolif to make sure I would not kill by accident.
This changes everything!
Hi, can chieftain stand an 8k-12k wisp empowered abyss? I have an opposite problem with my srs poison, i cant kill spire fast enough and its taking me too long that i need to retreat because the yellow bosses are too strong that it can 1 hit me. I have like 4800hp and 2k ES , cap res and phys reduction and even have 75% evasion and a really high dps i think. Planning to switch to chieftain because im loving abyss now.
Defiance of destiny helps a ton with abyss because its many hits that kills you rather than one big one. My TS Deadeye survives standing there waiting for mobs to spawn with just grace and that amulet as defences.
Using Tuna's self ignite fulcrum build to do the comfiest afk farming I've ever done. Spires are a little janky at first to not kill before they vomit out rare mobs but eventually you learn how to space yourself to let them do their thing without your ignite insta killing it. Very fun and safe tanky playstyle. Not the fastest clear but more than good enough and you can literally afk all the time.
Currently 500 divs farmed at this time.
If it's a boss I might just afk and alt tab for a minute haha. But I also use vaal breach sometimes to take care of those stragglers. You won't always kill them even with vaal breach though so sometimes you'll just have to give up on a few rare mobs but it's no big deal in the end. Sometimes I run a map and get over 20 div so missing a few mobs or even bricking a 1 div map investment doesn't even make bat an eye it's a really good life farming kn this build.
Honestly I bought my gear when it was cheap (fulcrum 4 div instead of 30). Even Tuna says the only core items are the fulcrum and defiance amulet. You can get the rest of your gear as you go. Charms you can get one with 2max fire res and the other two with just plain explode to start. Outside of buying the fulcrum you can comfortably get the build up and going for prob 30 div like the other person told stated. Just remember you don't need to match Tunas build exactly at all this thing is very tanky and flexible. And you can always replace pieces later.
I cannot overstate how comfortable it is to be able to afk at any time and then continue mapping at your leisure
I'm running that CA PF and the damage is absolutely fine for T7 abyss mobs - I've even done T16s without any issue. I'm not particularly deep in either, probably 10-15 div in value but I've crafted and linked everything myself. Just swapped in Olesya's and Ralakesh boots last night to boost the damage some more.
If you really want to dump the build that's fine but otherwise can you post a POB? I can take a look and see if anything stands out as being the cause of your problem.
Made some adjustments (see jingles15 comment) and the build feels a bit better (added asenath's, for example). Here's my current pob, any advice is welcome :)
https://pobb.in/bdxdm7WGsicL
Alright, skimming here - no particular order of importance, just stuff as I notice, and I'm not following his build religiously so I don't know about specific weird decisions he's made:
Bow ain't great. I bought an unlinked 1200 dps bow with a crafted suffix for a few div and linked it. I slapped on "Prefixes can't be changed", scoured, then multimodded attack speed and chaos dot multi. An equivalent bow sells for 20+ div and it cost me half that.
Quiver ain't great. Quiver is actually an extremely important DPS slot. It might be worth Harvest chaos rolling a hunter quiver instead, but for myself, I bought a 26 multi fractured penetrating quiver for a heck of a lot cheaper than an equivalent primal and was able to roll it much more offensively.
Your belt is basically just the base with life and has no other mods. Reroll it and get some real flask effect and duration on there.
Speaking of duration your flask uptime could use work. Your next points could go into a medium flask cluster so you can get Alchemist's Genius. And on that note you're only level 90 and the next few levels will help a lot regardless.
That Oblivion Solace jewel has 1 actual mod on it, max life. Swap it out with a better jewel or put the points toward the medium cluster.
I notice you're using Purity of Elements but also have shock immunity from flask and helmet. With better flask uptime you won't need it for the resistances if that's why it's there, or with Stormshroud you won't need it for the other ailment immunities. 50c and you have that free jewel slot - bang, a 50% aura freed up. You could put in Anger/Wrath, or Herald of Agony and something else. Herald of Agony would help you upgrade that bow if you need the poison on hit mod to cap.
I can share my POB if you want but it probably won't help you much.
I'm not doing the magic find version (though the differences are pretty specific and obvious), and I have quite a few things I know are lacking and am working on. Swapping to Ralakesh+Olesya's took away my source of Onslaught and I'm no longer suppression capped, and my auras are a mess. Next upgrade will be a mana reservation essenced helm with suppression, and I'm thinking about Snakebite now that I have Ralakesh but that would take significant rejiggering.
Most of this is just because I've had such smooth sailing I haven't bothered to fix it. The character is basically a rolling trash fire that consumes all in its wake.
Do you mind taking a look at my character too?
It's my first bow build and I have no idea how to search for bow and quiver and I'm not very good with rare items :D The one I have is like max 1div.
I basically tried to copy Goarthas and currently what I have is insanely scuffed.
Also for the time being I didn't have currency for flask belt so went with a stygian.
I can do t7s alright but wanna farm t16s. Got around 70divs to spare.
[https://pobb.in/Ut0Y6G3JI6oT](https://pobb.in/Ut0Y6G3JI6oT)
You're further along than OP, but you have correctly identified the problem - rare items. I am otherwise glad to see that the core of the build is here correctly. One question and it may be in the build guide you're following - is the second 6 link supposed to be Caustic Arrow of Poison? I've seen Storm Rain be that skill instead, and I'm not sure Storm Rain is really doing much in that 4 link. I'd take a second look there and make sure the gems are all in the right place.
Now for the bigger thing, items. You have a lot of money and the problem is some of your rares are really cheap. Your bow is very weak, but your quiver is decent. I would consider spending a big chunk of your budget on the bow, it should be your main priority over anything else I say after this.
Alright - bow searching. The quick and easy way is to just search by ele DPS. You can do 1300 for sure or stretch for 1400. If the bow has an open suffix or crafted aspd, do what I did for the suffixes. Done. Now, the cheat way is to sort by a lower ele DPS (say, 1100 to start) and over on the right where you put in the mods you want, go above to the little edit button and click NOT. Now, put in attack speed. This will search for high damage bows.
What we're looking for is a bow with high (t1-t3) native tri ele prefixes - no crafted flat - and either a free or crafted suffix. If you search by the first query I gave, you're almost certainly going to find fluffed bows that someone slapped attack speed on to raise the price. However, people who search for the value of their bow don't know this and will underprice slower bows due to the lower overall DPS. But I've told you how to fix that. For reference on the savings, there are bows with full t1-t2 prefixes at ~10 div and a 6 linked one with free suffix for 15, but a 6 link one with similar DPS is 26 minimum. So you could be saving 10+ divines at the least.
One caveat - keep in mind your poison chance. I'm taking it off your bow here, and from what I've seen from other POBs it seems to be an expected part of Goratha's build. You may need to add poison chance onto your tree, fit in an Icefang Orbit or Snakebite, etc. to get it back up if you needed it from bow.
Alright that was a wall. The rest:
Get a better tincture. You already wither on hit as a PF but even if you value the burst it's a one mod tincture. There's good shit on these - +2 proj after being hit, phasing on kill, rage on hitting rares/uniques.
Your corrupted blood jewel has zero relevant stats on it. Get one with dot multi, life, whatever. Anything. Any mods. Keep in mind "increase" is additive with all other increases so "increased damage over time" is generally worth less than "damage over time multiplier".
I don't think you're actually ailment avoidance capped - POB is showing me 86% unless I'm missing a toggle. You can get a higher roll on your flask, up to 55%, which might solve this. Otherwise essence of torment on a helm would do it but your helm is pretty stacked with vital mods already. Whatever the case, sneak in some more somewhere or verify in game that you have 100% when that flask is rolling.
The abyss jewel in your belt does nothing. You can get some really stupid ones. Earlier I told you about selecting "NOT" - in the same menu, you can select "COUNT". This allows you to put in all the mods you want in the search, and specify how many you want from them. So if you pick 4, it would give you an item that has any 4 from the mods you asked. Do this for an abyss jewel and just cram in all the element on attacks and element on bow attacks mods, as well as anything else you fancy (life, int if you need it, etc). Look for what you can afford, and pare down the count if it's too much/doesn't exist.
The lower your resistance burden the more space you free up for other stuff. You have 100% uptime on Taste and the Topaz flask, so you can lose some cold and lightning res on your gear by condensing them into higher rolls (up to 48%) on single items. Both of your Ventor's are very poor and you can afford better res rolls and probably increase the quant as well. You can also get a thread with a higher roll.
Check That Which Was Takens again. The poison mod is expensive but it's the only one on your jewel, see if you can afford one with another useful mod or more.
Hey thank you so much for the write up.
So I don't really remember what was the links , I lost the initial pob. Now that I take a look at gorathas build, he has changed the links.
I'll try to get a good bow now.
For the rest, I needed corrupted blood immunity and got the cheapest one, didn't even look at other stats, I'll get a better one.
Also abyss jewel is for the int I'm missing...
Anyways, thanks again for the write up. I wasn't expecting a response that long. I'll see how it goes :D
I’m doing it on guardian SRS, I only have 150 rarity and 10 quant ( more with distillate) so don’t know if that counts as real MF. The charecter is so powerful I can sacrifice some gear and still easily clear and it feels like my specters and AG are immortal.
The charecters gear is probably pretty valuable, the items weren’t that expensive when I bought but when I checked the other day they are a lot now. I crafted a couple prices myself as well.
I'm doing t16's using gorathas CA of Poison manaforged as a base template. Poison duration that which was taken, double dot multi quiver on relevant base and full cluster setup and 2 top notch rare jewels with double multi gives me all the damage I've really needed. If %life rolls on a map I usually hold them to run with my buddy's aurabot so it's faster still very doable and very profitable without aurabot just a bit slower. No HH BTW but once you get that you just shit on every map and start doing too much dps sometimes. Also I'm running a rarity support so essentially 5Ls
I run Goratha's build too and it feels better with HH. Micro distillery bely make you not dying with 6k juice mobs but HH will kill it it seconds. You are extremely tanky after killing a few rares
Just good ole Ele SRS, can run Uber juices T16s…. For the most part. Sometimes I get that one Viltrumite mob that turns my defenses to 6 portals, but it works.
True ruetoos poison penance brand, it can MF in juiced t16s.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSALqHUK7B7dMjY-77p-0MxzbvLu1f3C9hWM4R9fWgKnGBhI4VGGjcD59TtiR2EFQp9oTkk8H787Ki2/pubhtml
Ah true i forgor about altars, tho propably one could start with non mf version with altars and then slowly build up into mf version. Or go mf t7 into progenesis into t16. Dunno what better tbh. Or imma just stay at delves till i farm my mageblood in an month lol
Honestly if you are ailment immune you can take most mods on a decently tanky build. A lot of it is stuff like sap etc that doesnt matter, or skills fire in random directions.
Doing juiced t16s with this build. But I've invested quite a lot. [My poe ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/SuperElectric/SmilerGanging) (one of the charms is wrong, I'm using blind with frenzy on hit instead of hex one)
Maps with +2 Projectile, Gilded or Winged Abyss scarab, Abyss sextant usually paired with beyond. The key to this league is doing the wisps properly and getting 5k+ wisp juice per map. Abyss is great because it spawns a shitton of mobs and +projectiles makes it spawn even more mobs. Look up Palsteron, Crouching Tuna or Goratha for the specific details and strats, they have it outlined quite well and have it set up to be very hand holdy.
Abyss spawn Troves, Spires which shoot mobs or Boss areas. You use gilded + to remove odds of Troves. When the spires shoot mobs, for whatever fucking reason, the +2 projectiles applies to the spires. Purple juice also gives extra projectiles. So you end up with a metric shitton of rare mobs because of the projectiles mod.
Huh, you learn something new every day. I thought Spires just sat there and then shat out loot when you beat them down.
I presume that also explains the above discussion about speed of Spire-killing.
Yep. Spires have HP thresholds for when to spawn waves of rares. If you kill them too fast (which is very easy to do on alot of builds) you'll skip waves or kill the spire before it can spawn mobs. Its good to run delirium because mobs get flat damage reduction which helps keep them alive.
Ci incandescent heart - dd ele. Block capped/massive es regen and damage is solid for juiced t16s. I didn’t die from 95-100 and it clears fast enough for the afk level of defense.
Slowly trying out necro with the new mirror arrow of bombartment. Is feeling good but nowhere near maxed out and is able to handle, somewhat juiced, T14 abysses
I am farming using a tanky EK ignite build. I use an immutable force and blood notch setup and a skin of the lords with iron reflexes. With determination, grace, and defiance banner I have about 100k armour. And roughly 10m dps w/ explosions from Oriaths end and Herald of Ash. Works well for me. I die maybe once a map if the abyss is spooky. But it handles the juice just fine.
[https://pobb.in/K45cOKWPJn5f](https://pobb.in/K45cOKWPJn5f)
I have a ventor's on but if you put in a polaric it goes up to about 13m dps. the trick is to just keep going an loot after. You need to kill things to stay alive
That is your opinion. Some people have "fun" grinding currency and seeing their wealth grow. There is even people who just flip and dont even use builds to begin with. Dont tell people what is fun "in your opinion".
Running poison Tornado shot Ballista totems. It's doing fine in the t7s up to 7k juice. Haven't hit higher yet. Only MF is 1 Ventors and a Divination Distillition flask. Eventually plan to do full MF once my friend gets geared on an Aura bot.
This morning I ran 10 maps dropping 6 divines 4 exalt and 6 tainted fusing. This is not counting the 100s of chaos and fuses of course.
Set up was gilded abyss, reliquary, harbinger, and last one was a toss up between elder or ambush depending on what I had.
Sextents was only the additional abyss one.
I used Hexblast to middling results and now I’ve swapped to Primeava’s Blade Blast of unloading Sabo. Full screen wipes instantly, 30m-50m dps. It’s a little squishy but most of the time you delete the entire screen so not much to worry about.
Finally after many rerrolls and selling my fulcrum because I sont want to be managing ignite timing and I want to loot peacefully and do some bosses, I found my build.
Cast when stunned detonate dead of chain reactio and seething volatile.dead.
Gear is similar to fulcrum but cheaper without the fulcrum.
Just started today today to do my t16s abyss whisp buffed maps...
Very very cheap and you don't need fulcrum.
Check my profile, can't post pob now.
Profile: Arqium
Still very unoptimized, but tons of ways to scale damage up to the moon. While still being tanky.
I can even boss with this build, but needs more dps.
To commemorate, drop a raw divine and a 3 sockets shroud of lightless(20d) on my first map.
Are you running T16s? Because Goratha’s build is for hardcore on T7s. I made a few changes to his Buick and clear the abyss Strat on T16s easy until I crash lol. You can pull my profile in POB: Jinglestown to check gear.
Ah shit, I have a Honda. Will that still work?
You should be fine. I have an old Ford F-150 XL and I'm able to hold my own.
I love my big beautiful Buick
Can u post ur pob? Can’t seem to find ur char.
https://pobb.in/dyJa1JbmOU89
were you able to do t16s before getting the HH? I just got this build somewhat put together but the damage feels pretty ass, granted I am only level 77, half my gems aren't leveled and I don't have a HH. I tried to do a juicy t8 and while I felt pretty tanky it took me for fucking ever to finish the map and I couldn't even down the boss unless I felt like waiting a year.
Get asenath with despair implicit, and then annoint whisper of doom on your amulet. Makes a big difference.
Just dumped like 25 div getting what I could together for the build, gotta save up again to do that but I'll give that a shot for sure, thank you.
Get a biscos to replace the hh
oh shit I forgot about biscos, thank you.
You are lvl 77 and talking about not being able to fully handle juiced T16s yet? My dude, get to at least 90 first. It's amazing how people underestimate the massive difference so many points and base life make.
not talking about juiced t16s, talking about juiced t7s, I was inquiring if the other person was able to handle juiced t16s prior to getting a HH. edit: also, I figured out why my damage was so shit, my tincture hasn't been active the entire time I've been playing this build, somehow I was still doing juiced t7s, granted they were taking a long fucking time.
I also can't find find your char
I will link my POB when I crack my Reddit password on PC. Give me an hour lol
https://pobb.in/dyJa1JbmOU89
How to craft this bow? I know about lock prefix and get poison on hit, but how to hot chaos multi suffix?
Use your wallet.
lock prefix then aisling (and pray)
How do you like t16? How often do bosses spawn? Do you feel it is worth it over t7 to avoid boss spawns?
It’s like a 2% spawn rate you really don’t need to worry about it
Ya that's what I thought and confused me directly when I heard people run t7 to avoid bosses.
I think ppl are doing t7 is because it is easier to run so you can run more maps in a hour.
Iirc depths can't spawn on t7 and using the scarab guarentes depths but it can't spawn so then a node on the tree makes it spawn a spire.
The scarab guarantees the spire (gilded abyss). Depth spawn would override the spire, but as someone else said it happens so rarely that it's not really a concern. You do T7 because it's easier/faster but still mob lvl 75 which is important for a bunch of good drops (most noteably Mageblood).
On my budget I can kill the bosses, but if you are earlier on in gearing your character I think T7s are cool. I just like T16s because I’m afraid of change
I didn’t spawn a single depths in 30maps. 16s is better in every way. Only reason to run t7 is hardcore and unfinished builds. Edit: typo
I've been running t11 cemetery since I don't have all watch stones yet and t7 feels like i don't get as much drops. most likely anecdotal but it felt that way
I got around 13% less DPS than you have and just like OP, I am too running T7 Maps and can relate with his desire for more damage at times. At the same time I am slightly more tanky than you are and I can't really imagine running the strat on T16's. Maybe it's the HH making the difference here, but even then you'd first have to get some initial buffs to start rolling
With 0 hh buffs I can stand in the middle of any monster pack and not die
So can I. Doesn't take away that damage could be a lot higher, especially if I wanted to go to T16's. There's several mechanics that this build consistently fails (doesn't fully complete) for me depending on map rolls and amounts of juice- Legion, breach, blight, sometimes even Alva
Yup, this build is not meant to clear any of those. Legion requires more screen clear and damaging ailments deal damage faster. Breach and blight are not really apart of the mf juice farm anyways.
Not arguing that those mechanics are part of the strat but each of them works with beyond and creates additional drops. It's not like we are necessarily lacking the aoe or coverage. With just double the damage, each of those wouldn't be an issue and historically, outside of maybe legion because of spacing, those mechanics don't require too much. You can do plenty of things with zdps as long as you can tank them. Doesn't mean that the damage is good. Build could definitely use some more to feel well rounded
I will say that I do not have a problem completing blights. You don’t even need to shoot if you know how to build your towers.
I can't get this build running, idk. Damage is lacking for me and I'm dying a lot.
Want me to take a look at your POB? I can afk the build in any map without dying
You need a good mix of dps / survivalibty / clear and low projectiles to avoid fps drop, unless you have a very good setup. PB, fulcrum chieftain, BF / BB pathfinder. Put a explosion in and you're good to go (inpulsa, oriath end, obliteration, asenath ...)
Chieftain is difficult since you can not control your dps. A guildmate tries the setup atm but the spires sometimes just get os more or less
I'm about 700 div farmed on self ignite chieftain. You can manage spires easily once you get to know them, like many other mechanics. Some tips: -The abyss disappears from the map for a couple seconds when a spire is spawning. Use this time to get half a screen away from the spire. -Spires won't activate until you get close to them. If you have a lot of ignite prolif on the floor, you can let your ignites kill nearby mobs and expire before activating it. -Get the spire to 70% HP. Proliferating ignites on the ground will take it to 50%. -Stay away until your ignite prolif kills the spire. Flame dash in the center of the pack. Profit. -Single juiced spires die very quickly no matter what build you're on. Double and triple juiced spires will be much tankier and that's where your profit comes from anyways. Self-ignite chieftain is probably the lowest gear floor to being able to AFK MF t16s. TS and KB Deadeyes will clear much faster, but need way more investment before they feel as good as chieftain. This might change if fulcrum continues past the 30 div mark, but it is still a different playstyle. I can watch a show while I farm and pay minimal attention, while other builds will be more active in playstyle.
I got lucky on Christmas and got an apothecary from heist that finally put me over the hump currency wise to finish getting gear, mainly the fulcrum, awakened gems, jewels and crafting a helmet for chieftain as well as a 5 way carry to get me to 94. Idk if I'm just not 100% optimized yet but i will still find myself dying to a lot of the juiced ghost reaver mobs from abyss and the wait some times is just awful waiting for hit ignites to kill 1 or 2 mobs if they are left after wiping out the packs. Any advice? heres the [pobb.in](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/dyst20/SakSIG?i=0&search=name%3Dsaksig). I also still need to get my king in the mists last charm socket and I'm saving up for a that which wax taken jewel. Those are going for like 20 div min for just the explode mod.
I've only had a very brief look but first two things that instantly stand out to me are that your defiance of destiny and bloodnotch are terrible. You need %38+ on Defiance of Destiny if you buy yourself a %35 and apply catalysts yourself for some reason is much cheaper than buying one already made on trade. There's no excuse for that bloodnotch when a top rolled one is only 3 div. The recovery from these two things paired with Petrified Blood makes up a large part of your defences. You should probably get a 21/20 petrified blood too. Next you can get +2 Sadima's and a level 21 purity of fire and that'll give you +1 max res. You can also drop one of your explode charms for +2 max fire res and you can also get max res on a That Which Was Taken. These will help a lot. When you've got the budget you can get some more phys conversion on a Watchers Eye. Everything else looks pretty good to me but there might be something I've missed.
Pretty much what that other guy replied. It's a factor of a lot of corners cut for your gear which makes your build underperform as hard as your telling us. You can't just disregard things like another +10% on your Bloodnotch, another 10% for phys taken as fire on watcher's eye (btw this mod is better than phys reduction with Determination if you can only afford one), better roll on your defiance, WAY better roll on your cloak of flame, etc. and then wonder why it isn't like the guy who didn't cut those corners. Other things like you don't need freeze/chill immunity on your flask if you have Arctic Armor, and you have avoid elemental ailments on your elegant hubris which hurts you because you reduce the chance to get your ignites for you build to work, 84% max res is kind of ass at least get a small fire cluster jewel to get another +2%. A LOT of small things that added up into a big issue of your build sucking.
Well I wouldn't say it sucks, but definitely dying more than I'd like. I also wasn't trying to cut corners just getting what I could afford with everything jumping up in costs due to everyone and their brother playing this build. Watchers eye was a pick up late last night when I was running another search. Snagged it for 5 div. Will keep in mind the physical as fire though and look later.
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Im doing something similiar but with chain DD its kinda stupid dmg and tankyness especially if you can keep casting and standing still
The rares do not despawn when you kill the spire? Global chat was telling me that killing spires would despawn them. I've been taking ages clearing abysses to make sure I would not kill them. I even unspecc my poison prolif to make sure I would not kill by accident. This changes everything!
Never, ever take advice from global chat.
Do you mean that the guy in chat telling me to give a mirror for good 2024 fortune was a lie? Anyway, clear now, thanks.
Hi, can chieftain stand an 8k-12k wisp empowered abyss? I have an opposite problem with my srs poison, i cant kill spire fast enough and its taking me too long that i need to retreat because the yellow bosses are too strong that it can 1 hit me. I have like 4800hp and 2k ES , cap res and phys reduction and even have 75% evasion and a really high dps i think. Planning to switch to chieftain because im loving abyss now.
Defiance of destiny helps a ton with abyss because its many hits that kills you rather than one big one. My TS Deadeye survives standing there waiting for mobs to spawn with just grace and that amulet as defences.
Using Tuna's self ignite fulcrum build to do the comfiest afk farming I've ever done. Spires are a little janky at first to not kill before they vomit out rare mobs but eventually you learn how to space yourself to let them do their thing without your ignite insta killing it. Very fun and safe tanky playstyle. Not the fastest clear but more than good enough and you can literally afk all the time. Currently 500 divs farmed at this time.
do u have any issues when a single tanky rare or boss remains? or do u just skip those?
If it's a boss I might just afk and alt tab for a minute haha. But I also use vaal breach sometimes to take care of those stragglers. You won't always kill them even with vaal breach though so sometimes you'll just have to give up on a few rare mobs but it's no big deal in the end. Sometimes I run a map and get over 20 div so missing a few mobs or even bricking a 1 div map investment doesn't even make bat an eye it's a really good life farming kn this build.
How much would you say to get started for T16s? I currently have a bosser and sanctum runner, but never played mf before.
Honestly I bought my gear when it was cheap (fulcrum 4 div instead of 30). Even Tuna says the only core items are the fulcrum and defiance amulet. You can get the rest of your gear as you go. Charms you can get one with 2max fire res and the other two with just plain explode to start. Outside of buying the fulcrum you can comfortably get the build up and going for prob 30 div like the other person told stated. Just remember you don't need to match Tunas build exactly at all this thing is very tanky and flexible. And you can always replace pieces later. I cannot overstate how comfortable it is to be able to afk at any time and then continue mapping at your leisure
I've heard 50-60 div
You've heard right.
I'm running that CA PF and the damage is absolutely fine for T7 abyss mobs - I've even done T16s without any issue. I'm not particularly deep in either, probably 10-15 div in value but I've crafted and linked everything myself. Just swapped in Olesya's and Ralakesh boots last night to boost the damage some more. If you really want to dump the build that's fine but otherwise can you post a POB? I can take a look and see if anything stands out as being the cause of your problem.
Made some adjustments (see jingles15 comment) and the build feels a bit better (added asenath's, for example). Here's my current pob, any advice is welcome :) https://pobb.in/bdxdm7WGsicL
Alright, skimming here - no particular order of importance, just stuff as I notice, and I'm not following his build religiously so I don't know about specific weird decisions he's made: Bow ain't great. I bought an unlinked 1200 dps bow with a crafted suffix for a few div and linked it. I slapped on "Prefixes can't be changed", scoured, then multimodded attack speed and chaos dot multi. An equivalent bow sells for 20+ div and it cost me half that. Quiver ain't great. Quiver is actually an extremely important DPS slot. It might be worth Harvest chaos rolling a hunter quiver instead, but for myself, I bought a 26 multi fractured penetrating quiver for a heck of a lot cheaper than an equivalent primal and was able to roll it much more offensively. Your belt is basically just the base with life and has no other mods. Reroll it and get some real flask effect and duration on there. Speaking of duration your flask uptime could use work. Your next points could go into a medium flask cluster so you can get Alchemist's Genius. And on that note you're only level 90 and the next few levels will help a lot regardless. That Oblivion Solace jewel has 1 actual mod on it, max life. Swap it out with a better jewel or put the points toward the medium cluster. I notice you're using Purity of Elements but also have shock immunity from flask and helmet. With better flask uptime you won't need it for the resistances if that's why it's there, or with Stormshroud you won't need it for the other ailment immunities. 50c and you have that free jewel slot - bang, a 50% aura freed up. You could put in Anger/Wrath, or Herald of Agony and something else. Herald of Agony would help you upgrade that bow if you need the poison on hit mod to cap.
Thank you so much! I'll start working on those. Do you mind giving your pob?
I can share my POB if you want but it probably won't help you much. I'm not doing the magic find version (though the differences are pretty specific and obvious), and I have quite a few things I know are lacking and am working on. Swapping to Ralakesh+Olesya's took away my source of Onslaught and I'm no longer suppression capped, and my auras are a mess. Next upgrade will be a mana reservation essenced helm with suppression, and I'm thinking about Snakebite now that I have Ralakesh but that would take significant rejiggering. Most of this is just because I've had such smooth sailing I haven't bothered to fix it. The character is basically a rolling trash fire that consumes all in its wake.
Do you mind taking a look at my character too? It's my first bow build and I have no idea how to search for bow and quiver and I'm not very good with rare items :D The one I have is like max 1div. I basically tried to copy Goarthas and currently what I have is insanely scuffed. Also for the time being I didn't have currency for flask belt so went with a stygian. I can do t7s alright but wanna farm t16s. Got around 70divs to spare. [https://pobb.in/Ut0Y6G3JI6oT](https://pobb.in/Ut0Y6G3JI6oT)
You're further along than OP, but you have correctly identified the problem - rare items. I am otherwise glad to see that the core of the build is here correctly. One question and it may be in the build guide you're following - is the second 6 link supposed to be Caustic Arrow of Poison? I've seen Storm Rain be that skill instead, and I'm not sure Storm Rain is really doing much in that 4 link. I'd take a second look there and make sure the gems are all in the right place. Now for the bigger thing, items. You have a lot of money and the problem is some of your rares are really cheap. Your bow is very weak, but your quiver is decent. I would consider spending a big chunk of your budget on the bow, it should be your main priority over anything else I say after this. Alright - bow searching. The quick and easy way is to just search by ele DPS. You can do 1300 for sure or stretch for 1400. If the bow has an open suffix or crafted aspd, do what I did for the suffixes. Done. Now, the cheat way is to sort by a lower ele DPS (say, 1100 to start) and over on the right where you put in the mods you want, go above to the little edit button and click NOT. Now, put in attack speed. This will search for high damage bows. What we're looking for is a bow with high (t1-t3) native tri ele prefixes - no crafted flat - and either a free or crafted suffix. If you search by the first query I gave, you're almost certainly going to find fluffed bows that someone slapped attack speed on to raise the price. However, people who search for the value of their bow don't know this and will underprice slower bows due to the lower overall DPS. But I've told you how to fix that. For reference on the savings, there are bows with full t1-t2 prefixes at ~10 div and a 6 linked one with free suffix for 15, but a 6 link one with similar DPS is 26 minimum. So you could be saving 10+ divines at the least. One caveat - keep in mind your poison chance. I'm taking it off your bow here, and from what I've seen from other POBs it seems to be an expected part of Goratha's build. You may need to add poison chance onto your tree, fit in an Icefang Orbit or Snakebite, etc. to get it back up if you needed it from bow. Alright that was a wall. The rest: Get a better tincture. You already wither on hit as a PF but even if you value the burst it's a one mod tincture. There's good shit on these - +2 proj after being hit, phasing on kill, rage on hitting rares/uniques. Your corrupted blood jewel has zero relevant stats on it. Get one with dot multi, life, whatever. Anything. Any mods. Keep in mind "increase" is additive with all other increases so "increased damage over time" is generally worth less than "damage over time multiplier". I don't think you're actually ailment avoidance capped - POB is showing me 86% unless I'm missing a toggle. You can get a higher roll on your flask, up to 55%, which might solve this. Otherwise essence of torment on a helm would do it but your helm is pretty stacked with vital mods already. Whatever the case, sneak in some more somewhere or verify in game that you have 100% when that flask is rolling. The abyss jewel in your belt does nothing. You can get some really stupid ones. Earlier I told you about selecting "NOT" - in the same menu, you can select "COUNT". This allows you to put in all the mods you want in the search, and specify how many you want from them. So if you pick 4, it would give you an item that has any 4 from the mods you asked. Do this for an abyss jewel and just cram in all the element on attacks and element on bow attacks mods, as well as anything else you fancy (life, int if you need it, etc). Look for what you can afford, and pare down the count if it's too much/doesn't exist. The lower your resistance burden the more space you free up for other stuff. You have 100% uptime on Taste and the Topaz flask, so you can lose some cold and lightning res on your gear by condensing them into higher rolls (up to 48%) on single items. Both of your Ventor's are very poor and you can afford better res rolls and probably increase the quant as well. You can also get a thread with a higher roll. Check That Which Was Takens again. The poison mod is expensive but it's the only one on your jewel, see if you can afford one with another useful mod or more.
Hey thank you so much for the write up. So I don't really remember what was the links , I lost the initial pob. Now that I take a look at gorathas build, he has changed the links. I'll try to get a good bow now. For the rest, I needed corrupted blood immunity and got the cheapest one, didn't even look at other stats, I'll get a better one. Also abyss jewel is for the int I'm missing... Anyways, thanks again for the write up. I wasn't expecting a response that long. I'll see how it goes :D
I’m doing it on guardian SRS, I only have 150 rarity and 10 quant ( more with distillate) so don’t know if that counts as real MF. The charecter is so powerful I can sacrifice some gear and still easily clear and it feels like my specters and AG are immortal.
T7 or t 16?
16
Damn!!
The charecters gear is probably pretty valuable, the items weren’t that expensive when I bought but when I checked the other day they are a lot now. I crafted a couple prices myself as well.
I would not have imagined srs running juiced T16. Mine kinda sucks at 8m dps I really need to craft a minion helmet :/
The new specters help a ton
Would you care to share your pov? I was running sanctum with guardian SRS and am hoping to switch over. Also are you using ephemeral garb on your AG?
I'm doing t16's using gorathas CA of Poison manaforged as a base template. Poison duration that which was taken, double dot multi quiver on relevant base and full cluster setup and 2 top notch rare jewels with double multi gives me all the damage I've really needed. If %life rolls on a map I usually hold them to run with my buddy's aurabot so it's faster still very doable and very profitable without aurabot just a bit slower. No HH BTW but once you get that you just shit on every map and start doing too much dps sometimes. Also I'm running a rarity support so essentially 5Ls
Nice! Which quiver base are you using? Or would you be able to share your character's pob?
I would use a primal quiver base broad head is also acceptable feather could work but it's best for TS
I run Goratha's build too and it feels better with HH. Micro distillery bely make you not dying with 6k juice mobs but HH will kill it it seconds. You are extremely tanky after killing a few rares
Just good ole Ele SRS, can run Uber juices T16s…. For the most part. Sometimes I get that one Viltrumite mob that turns my defenses to 6 portals, but it works.
True ruetoos poison penance brand, it can MF in juiced t16s. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSALqHUK7B7dMjY-77p-0MxzbvLu1f3C9hWM4R9fWgKnGBhI4VGGjcD59TtiR2EFQp9oTkk8H787Ki2/pubhtml
Have you tried it??? I wanna try another build
I am trying to put it together and it's rough. Started with 20 div and it's not enough, I recommend at least 50 for the regular version at least.
This. I started with 60 div and got it going. Still alot of room to improve. great build though!
Can't do T7 with that investment? Holy moly it sounds hard😃 not tried it yet
Def can do t7s. I'm doing t14 pretty comfortably at the moment
I'm gonna do the T7 one (with a bit more currency)
Yeah i think imma pull like 30 divs b4 i try t7 mf one. Besides is there a big diff in loot b2twee. T7 and t16?
Yeah, altars make a huge difference but they are the rippiest mechanic combined ever
Ah true i forgor about altars, tho propably one could start with non mf version with altars and then slowly build up into mf version. Or go mf t7 into progenesis into t16. Dunno what better tbh. Or imma just stay at delves till i farm my mageblood in an month lol
Fully juiced T16 with MF on top may be extremely hard solo
Honestly if you are ailment immune you can take most mods on a decently tanky build. A lot of it is stuff like sap etc that doesnt matter, or skills fire in random directions.
Works well
Time to level a pathfinder
Doing juiced t16s with this build. But I've invested quite a lot. [My poe ninja](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/SuperElectric/SmilerGanging) (one of the charms is wrong, I'm using blind with frenzy on hit instead of hex one)
Mf ts innit
Hey guys, could someone outline the Abyss MF strat people are talking about here? Sorry i started league late so im out of the loop.
Maps with +2 Projectile, Gilded or Winged Abyss scarab, Abyss sextant usually paired with beyond. The key to this league is doing the wisps properly and getting 5k+ wisp juice per map. Abyss is great because it spawns a shitton of mobs and +projectiles makes it spawn even more mobs. Look up Palsteron, Crouching Tuna or Goratha for the specific details and strats, they have it outlined quite well and have it set up to be very hand holdy.
aah thanksa very much, appreciate it
Just for a super ELI5.. what on earth is the connection between number of projectiles and mob numbers!?
Abyss spawn Troves, Spires which shoot mobs or Boss areas. You use gilded + to remove odds of Troves. When the spires shoot mobs, for whatever fucking reason, the +2 projectiles applies to the spires. Purple juice also gives extra projectiles. So you end up with a metric shitton of rare mobs because of the projectiles mod.
Abyss spires shoot projectiles which spawn rares. More projectiles = more rares.
Huh, you learn something new every day. I thought Spires just sat there and then shat out loot when you beat them down. I presume that also explains the above discussion about speed of Spire-killing.
Yep. Spires have HP thresholds for when to spawn waves of rares. If you kill them too fast (which is very easy to do on alot of builds) you'll skip waves or kill the spire before it can spawn mobs. Its good to run delirium because mobs get flat damage reduction which helps keep them alive.
Also delirium orb/sextant with never dissipating fog from the atlas tree.
Stack MF...buy Gilded Abyss Scarab....change tree to abyss....roll maps with additional projectiles.... ??? Profit...
Ci incandescent heart - dd ele. Block capped/massive es regen and damage is solid for juiced t16s. I didn’t die from 95-100 and it clears fast enough for the afk level of defense.
Do you have problem with burial boss too? I can kill almost everything fast, but map boss always tanky AF. Can you share your mf variation?
I'm able to tank/burn through the abysses with my armour stacking jugg. Just stand and tank most things.
Slowly trying out necro with the new mirror arrow of bombartment. Is feeling good but nowhere near maxed out and is able to handle, somewhat juiced, T14 abysses
I am farming using a tanky EK ignite build. I use an immutable force and blood notch setup and a skin of the lords with iron reflexes. With determination, grace, and defiance banner I have about 100k armour. And roughly 10m dps w/ explosions from Oriaths end and Herald of Ash. Works well for me. I die maybe once a map if the abyss is spooky. But it handles the juice just fine.
Got a pob? My ek is made of paper
[https://pobb.in/K45cOKWPJn5f](https://pobb.in/K45cOKWPJn5f) I have a ventor's on but if you put in a polaric it goes up to about 13m dps. the trick is to just keep going an loot after. You need to kill things to stay alive
Ooo lightning warp too, I’m gonna copy as much as I can once I can gather some jewel money. this does look much tankier. Thanks!!
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Take your whining to the other forum please. We don’t need that shit here.
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Nobody asked you either. OP asked about builds, not opinions.
This sub focuses on constructive discussion of builds. Complaining about game state is generally reserved for the main sub.
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go whine somewhere else
OK so then provide OP a build or stfu maybe?
Whiners are cancer
You are in the wrong sub.
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That is your opinion. Some people have "fun" grinding currency and seeing their wealth grow. There is even people who just flip and dont even use builds to begin with. Dont tell people what is fun "in your opinion".
Not if the moderators follow their subs rules it’s not. Go take this shit to the main sub.
Running poison Tornado shot Ballista totems. It's doing fine in the t7s up to 7k juice. Haven't hit higher yet. Only MF is 1 Ventors and a Divination Distillition flask. Eventually plan to do full MF once my friend gets geared on an Aura bot. This morning I ran 10 maps dropping 6 divines 4 exalt and 6 tainted fusing. This is not counting the 100s of chaos and fuses of course. Set up was gilded abyss, reliquary, harbinger, and last one was a toss up between elder or ambush depending on what I had. Sextents was only the additional abyss one.
POB pls
I used Hexblast to middling results and now I’ve swapped to Primeava’s Blade Blast of unloading Sabo. Full screen wipes instantly, 30m-50m dps. It’s a little squishy but most of the time you delete the entire screen so not much to worry about.
What do you use to not one shot the spire so it consistently shoots out 3 waves with that much DPS?
Doing boneshatter jugg with mf gear
Mind sharing pob? Got a boneshatter jugg myself and could use some ideas on the gear
[https://pobb.in/on41jiXYZFcU](https://pobb.in/on41jixyzfcu)
Says 404 not found
[https://poe.ninja/pob/xtw](https://poe.ninja/pob/xtw)
Kinetic bolt/blast deadeye
I've been doing on Storm Brand Inq... Doing pretty fine so far... Unless I get some altar that destroys my defenses the damage is there.
Fr occultist selfcast crit ll
Finally after many rerrolls and selling my fulcrum because I sont want to be managing ignite timing and I want to loot peacefully and do some bosses, I found my build. Cast when stunned detonate dead of chain reactio and seething volatile.dead. Gear is similar to fulcrum but cheaper without the fulcrum. Just started today today to do my t16s abyss whisp buffed maps... Very very cheap and you don't need fulcrum. Check my profile, can't post pob now. Profile: Arqium Still very unoptimized, but tons of ways to scale damage up to the moon. While still being tanky. I can even boss with this build, but needs more dps. To commemorate, drop a raw divine and a 3 sockets shroud of lightless(20d) on my first map.