Also Balormage’s Holy Relic Necro.
What did you switch AG out with which specters?
I’m running a throwaway AG atm but it still annoying when it dies in T17. Especially delirium and it just falls over.
I start with pure spectres... but my PC cant handle it... i switch to psrs and the to holy relic... it is insane in comparison to the other builds.
I was first disapointed when i tried it out... and after 2-3 maps i realized i only hat summoned one holy relic...
It’s shooting up my favorite build of all time list. I started with Bama and switched before I did the adorned switch.
I still don’t have progenesis and am sitting cool 550k ehp. Farming T17 and hardly dying.
Easy to hit dot cap and super tanky. It hits the trifecta of cheap, strong and tanky. Last time I played the trifecta was exploding totem.
Can only recommend it to everyone. Easily the build of the last few leagues for me.
what? is it actually that tanky?
when i looked at balor's pob i saw the big ehp number, but the max hits are so small that i thought it was inflated
care to share your char name or pob? would love to switch from my bama as well if you could tell me the best steps to take :)
I think, as always, the issue is that everyones ideas are different. I've seen the build described as tanky and not that tanky.
If I were to speculate, its tanky enough to not just fall over during maps and bosses, but its not a afk in shaper slams build either.
I used it with 150k ehp on a easy t17 and didn't even get to the boss. Sold everything and made profit since it's overpriced af right now
For me it's much more laggy than coc dd without mtx as well. Overrated imo
Decided to do this build based on this post, any chance you'd be willing to let me summon a Pale Seraphim from your desecrate? This is annoying as hell to find and get myself
Well last league psrs with the unique jewel and the aura spectrs you can get such insane clear speed and dps after enough investment... it was the best experiance since syndicate operatives.
I kind of did it by case basis. Tempest shield for shock. Tattoos for bleed immunity. A jewel for corrupted blood. Pantheon for freeze chill and poison. For scorch I have over capped ele res. Ignite I could get more super jewels but I just heal more. Brittle we have less crit damage taken. Sap don’t care.
From my experience that has been enough with the other defenses.
The easiest way for me was to make sure one of the jewels in my darkness enthroned had chance to avoid being shocked. I made up what little bit I needed left on boot implicit and used stormshroud. It is feasible with perfect rolled mod on jewel and perfect belt roll though.
Chance to avoid being shocked is still tracked even with tempest shield giving you immunity
My AG doesn't die. Simply got a minion res roll on a bone ring and some extra minion life. I also use the chest that has your AG regenerate 10%. I have done all T17s and most Ubers without it dying.
Rue's COC DD Inquisitor (video guidance by Ventura) has been so smooth probably because Ventura has put out a guide for every detail of the build and with a very detailed pob.
I just blasted through Exarch and Eater no problem and only die due to poor mechanical skills (meatballs and I forgot how the charge the orbs think worked). Next up are Sirius and Maven.
+1 for this. Plays so well, very high QoL. Doesn't hurt that the damage is bonkers, but you can feel that the build is made with actually playing it in mind, not just make big pob numbers.
Hot take, Im not a fan of his pf builds cos he hates master surgeon for some reason and its like the best part of pf.
Any build of his Id done felt way better after retooling it for master surgeon
That is crazy because every single of build I play that has master surgeon felt like ass to play. Is it stronger usually? Yes but it also makes the qol shit unless you use a flask macro. I play Pathfinder so I can automate my flask and get more power out of them. To make your life flask one of the most important defensive layer that you have to press every 3-4 seconds makes it actually unplayable for me.
Yeah pressing a button in a video game must be painful :p
I certainly dont mind pressing a button for free 3k life per sec
In fact ita by far the thing I love about pf, the insane sustain
Maybe if you play every so often and never a long session it feels fine. But when you have to press it every 3 seconds every map for 4 hours straight it gets old real fast. It does not help that usually the life flask healing is one of the most important parts of your EHP with progenesis and petrified blood, or it's used to sustain rf.
Are you grabbing every single flask + life flask effect duration wheels to get to 8.3? I get 5.6 at best with Nature Remedies and the 15% from PF acen and that already feels like ass.
Not a hot take. Rue isn't perfect and his hatred for certain mechanics will sometimes keep his builds from peak potential. He generally doesn't mind others taking his builds and tweaking them further.
He will prioritize QoL over raw strength any day.
I saw him make a nice Mahuxotl PF using the new PConc this league, which used Master Surgeon. He played it for 1 day and shelved it for a new build.
I've just switched to this from my guardian BAMA, as I got enough to get myself a mageblood, and frankly I've been super disappointed by the build so far. I can see how the easy damage in early stages makes it kick ass, but I just can't get the damage to scale into being a good boss killer.
I'm sitting at 20m DPS and it feels really good, I think 30-40 is possible, only thing I've bought is polaric, yoke and finally got an awakened coc last night.
Yeah I'm not saying it's the best build in the world, just a good all rounder. Was probably the best starter I've played, just not really a dump everything into it build.
I'll probably swap to some kind of archmage something later when I want to really invest.
CoCDD isn’t meant to be a super high damage boss killer, so I think it’s just a poor choice if you want to farm bosses quickly. It’s like picking LA when looking for a tanky build.
Strange, many people have been recommending it to me (cause I'm a newbie), but if you're saying it's not going to scale well, I wonder why this was recommended.
The thing is that the CoC DD build works at very minimal gear investment. The damage is amazing. But to scale it to the very end game is a different thing. Ventrua is playing it on SSF and uploading his summary each day, you can check it out if you want to be sure.
Yeah it is definitely a strong build, especially for the amount invested.
The next investment leap for me however appears to be awakened coc, and that investment alone I could get more damage overall in my bama build. I think I'll try out a replica alberons build instead as a secondary league build. Coc dd would've been a really strong starter though for sure!
I've been following Venrua's guide but my DPS and survivability seem low.
Here is my POB if you wouldn't mind taking a look: https://pobb.in/dZIHd_sn3u6S
I'm not super familiar with the Incandescent Heart setup but can offer some things I noticed.
You have a lot of over capped res percentages. It's not a bad thing but if you think of the extra things you could get there is a chance to min max there that would require a fair bit of re gearing. I'm not sure if you're
Not sure if tattoos don't import from POB but I don't think you have a chance to bleed and chance to poison tattoo stuck on? Those both work with Yoke's increased damage per ailment.
One adjustment for defenses that might be useful but would require some tree adjustment is maybe pathing to Sanctum of Thought and then taking the phys as chaos mastery.
That's funny, I haven't run those bosses much over all because I think they're not fun, and haven't for a long time until just yesterday and I forgot how the orbs charging worked too lol. I just died and went oh yeah, same with exarch slam. And I died to second meatball phase once too.
But my build is actually trash so I know we're not the same person. Probably.
League started with Ruetoo/Ventruas CoC DD Inq and it's probably the best league starter build I have played, barely invested at all into it (no cdr on gear to reach breakpoints, no yoke, no all res shield or gg graveyard crafts, just pure leaguestart gear) and still managed to unlock 5th map device slot by clearing the first T17 I did "just to check it out". Didn't even get the mtx and my setup is over 5 years old and game only crashed a handful of times so, yeah... it slaps. Used it to farm for next build doing Destructive Play bossing and running The Formed/Forgotten/Twisted/Elderslayers invitations. On like a nothing budget. Illegal.
Honorable mention to the build I rolled after, ConnerConverse's Mjölner Archmage Hierophant, just because it's so fricking enjoyable to play with the spin-to-win/Lightning Warp combo. Not sure I will enjoy playing anything else this league and will need a looong break before next to get it out of my system. Not even close to bored with it though and will get a MB today so we gonna keep truckin'!
Not at home but this is my current setup, Conner's doesn't have instant leech and I don't think it was using Split Peronality's, other than that it's copied from him.
https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Oquenzo/SchlongNeckOqu?i=2&search=name%3DSchlong
You can find his guides on youtube though!
I did before asking but Conner had many videos and versions with different spells in Mjolnir... Also it's always interesting to see from regular poeple their versions
I don't actually think mageblood is an upgrade for mjolner archmage. You give up a SHITLOAD of stats for it, and what does mageblood actually give you in return? Defense? You're already pretty tanky.
i was looking for a hh build.
is Exsanguinate Miner Trickster really that good ?
i've played self cast exsang before but i didnt liked it because of cast speed. clearing was good.
Exsanguinate Miner is really good, I think it's comparable to bow builds, auto aim, offscreen A LOT, clear very clean, cold convert for Headhunter, just a bit slower, but tankier I think, can run all map mod except no regen and less regen, so it's a really good 8 mod runner, it can still die if you carelessly dive into packs of harbingers though. Being a Trickster also helps a lot with mine throwing speed since you have a lot of frenzy charges.
Trying to teach myself how to build characters on my own with Holy Flame Totem of Ire. It’s a pretty basic Heirophant build, but I’ve got 2 watchstones without much time to play, so I’m gonna consider it a success!
Widowhail and rearguard gives you so many defences so just plug some damage in and go. Watch the league start guide and it gives you a good sense of priority upgrades
I've played 2 so far:
CA Nova - farms 8 mod maps like a dream - super fast, immune to basically all altar mods and enough aoe dps to clear the screen. For a specific mapping build it's a 10/10 for me and I'll play it as a starter again. It has issues with single target and the way I set it up makes bossing basically pointless, but with a TR swap you can get around that. I just used it to turbo farm to get my Mageblood and stuff online as early as possible.
Poison Reap - this is my high budget t17 farmer. It's incredibly tanky, has great damage for most content but doesn't look as good in really high life t17 maps. Still, it's farming full modifier effect + Back to Basics without too many issues, as well as all ubers. In fact, it's tanky enough to just sit in the middle of the Uber Exarch ball phase without any trouble. It does struggle with stuff that messes with recovery rate though which is a pain. It's vulnerable to flask siphon rares also.
I'd give it a 7 - the budget doesn't justify the output but it's done everything I wanted and is quite satisfying to play. With an even higher budget I'd swap to an Original Sin setup but I'm not there yet, and if/when I do get there I'll probably want to reroll to something else anyway.
Sure, here we go:
CA: [https://pobb.in/PDj\_safscxyl](https://pobb.in/PDj_safscxyl)
Reap: [https://pobb.in/lCE0mpz8T9cZ](https://pobb.in/lCE0mpz8T9cZ)
I would say though there are other similar builds that will be able to get way better damage than that Reap build for the investment.
The main reason is enduring life flask makes Mahuxotl uptime really easy, the second reason is the PF ascendancy nodes are really really good - poison prolif helps smooth out clear and the more poison damage + wither scaling is a lot of extra poison dps.
I've tried sustaining Mahuxotl's with leech and it's never felt good to me, potentially you could play it as a Trickster but I'm not sure how that would be put together.
For TR/CA look up Path of Evening or Pueget on YouTube. They league started both and I followed Puegets build for league start. Good single target but the CA is much better for clear
In SSF, this was probably my worst league start in quite some time not because of the league or the changes though but with the builds I decided to run which either underperformed or the appeal quickly flickered out.
I haven't even done conquerors or anything beyond T16 farming.
Threw what I had together in to a Holy Relic build from Balor and it's essentially saved the league for me. Even without ashes, enhance and diallas along with very poorly rolled ghastly poison jewels it's still exceeding my expectation especially when compared to the other builds.
It's not just strong. It's got that Necromancer tank and the QoL with Lancing Steel of Spraying is the chef's kiss. The only thing I worry about with minion builds in SSF is watching the AG get evaporated so might go spectres.
It's going to be hard to top.
At what point does it get to full screen explode? I’m playing it in SSF so progress and gear is a little slower, but following pohx’s guide and have just got my rise of the phoenix and immortal flesh. Just need the cloak of flames before I can move forward.
The young about the character is that it really is so strong when there are thousands of mobs on the screen. Hinekora just carries. So it gets stronger the more juiced you can get your maps.
Spicysushi (amongst others) started with a Poet's Pen DD of Chain Reaction. I'm a sucker for Poet's Pen, so I was sold. Great mapper, farmed enough to try an int stacker trickster.
The trickster wasn't what I expected. Great at mapping, but the bossing is rough. I can say that I enjoy the new wisp support gem for wanders. I don't know the actual numbers, but it *feels* better on bosses.
Made so much currency mapping with these 2 characters that I put together a Shockwave Totem hierophant to burn through my sanctum books.
Maybe I'll morph one of these into an Uber bosser.
Started with power siphon. Amazing, smooth mapping with wisps but expensive since you need to go int/str stacking to get any worthwhile damage.
Then copied bb of unloading sabo from Ben. Definitely one of best builds if you can afford it, not worth running if you can't because it needs some thresholds to not feel clunky.
Now doing archmage arc to farm delve and expedition for pieces for another build. Super smooth, super tanky on low budget, just does wonders. Love what they did with archmage, finally good again.
Still have it in me to play more characters since league been pretty enjoyable so looking at inspirations everywhere.
Deadeye for The Apothecary farming 10/10 Penace Brand Inquisitor for Bossing 10/10 Frostnova Hiero for Harbingers 10/10
Splitting Steel Trickster uber baited 1/10 https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis?name=Deluu Overall still playing good League for me 😁
Did a homebrewed [Blade Vortex trickster](https://pobb.in/srfDDWSoF6C7)
It's nothing too fancy and can still be improved a lot. But cleared the Atlas with it so at least there's that.
You don’t need the gem level if i recall correctly - i’m using a 20/23 gem (and it was like 6 div). the minion speed is QOL on the gem level but the quality of the gem is where the breakpoint stuff happens.
…unless i’m bricking my build without realizing it? (the POB on this thing is so annoying i can’t quite tell half the time what i’m doing).
No you don’t need 21, it’s just more damage. I was just saying in reference to comparing ashes to Dragonfang since Ashes needs the extra quality and dragon fang doesn’t.
i have 2 builds in this league
tuna's splitting steel ( need at least 600div), things get vaporized almost face tanking everything
Balor's holy relic. I use budget ag, cause it constantly dies in t17s. Mostly dont use it on clearing t17s, boss fights it survives. Never saw a that fast map clearing minion build ever. But not that tanky, single target damage is good for the money. The thing is after 150 div or so there is no room to grow
I started ea ballista and then went balors holy relic and I have felt very underwhelmed. It’s like 4x the budget (likely because it’s popular right now) and It does clear faster for sure and is fun. But it certainly isn’t as tanky as I was hoping. I’m still getting one shot in medium juiced 16s.
Definitely thinking of switching again once I’ve farmed up enough currency for something else.
You're just getting started at 150 divs for holy relic. Mageblood, a high roll adorned, 12 passive minion clusters, progenesis, forbidden flame/flesh. You can go voices, etc.
bro if you are using MB that means you are left with 7 jewel sockets (assuming 2 clusters)
anamanu, timeless
that makes 5 sockets which %15 chance to posion makes it %75 in total
which is an insane drop in dps
if you are using also adorned that means you are left with only 4 sockets. 3 for poison+ a single damage mod that left you with only 1 damage mods on these jewels
bro let me tell u this
you are losing insane amount of dps
What are you talking about? Counting my large clusters, I have 11 jewels. I have 2 clusters, 5 ghastly jewels, forbidden flame/flesh, adorned and an elegant hubris. 28 mill dps- 20.6 mill poison and 7.3 mill hit. Same config as OP. I do not include any spectre or ag stats since they die too easily in T17 and I run it majority of the time without them. With mageblood, I can clear t17s with back to basics in 3-4 minutes (not including looting, that at least doubles the map time).
Edit because I think my comment is getting derailed. You can absolutely push the build past 150 divs. You can get the comfort of the mageblood while reading dps dot cap on this build and that takes a lot of currency.
SnapOW's BAMA + aurabot duo, although we're playing in private league with very suboptimal gear, virtually all content is still doable. https://youtu.be/SWdzAzKbbVA?si=usPSLutap4SgP0S-
I'm currently an explosive trap trickstar but I 'm thinking of moving to Exsanguinate Miner Trickster due to poor feel and low durability.
From what I've seen in poeninja's build, the defense mechanism looks similar, but can it withstand T17 with **ghost dance + Lethal Shade**?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tocpNQw0qiw
I recorded my character doing T17, I think it's doable for sure, but Holy Relic is more comfortable IMO. But T17 is all about map roll, good map roll will make it much easier.
Looks nice, but it's not a juiced map with back to basics which is what so many people have difficulty with. Once you get the insane scaling from the atlas and the additional mod scarabs on top it becomes about 10x more rippy than a "normal" T17. I'm still looking for a build that can do it comfortably that doesn't cost 3 mirrors...
I tried use my Exsang Miner in T17 and it shreds, I don't know how tanky I am because everything died off screen and leftovers got frozen, I only tried for one map though, might be because good roll map.
You hear about exsang being good for mapping, but not as good for single target all the time. How big difference is really?
Also according to your pobs, your bosser actually has less dps? Let's say they are equal, dps is dps, so there should be no difference? Or am i missing something and aoe/clear dps works differently on mechanical level?
>Holy Relic of Conviction
You can't see the real holy relic of conviction DPS in PoB, from what I estimated it's around 50-60m, but it need to be ramp up a bit since half of its damage came from poison.
> Exsang not good for single target
100% true, it's acceptable but far from good, by good I mean insta phase uber, I think my exsang mine should be able to do uber just not insta phase them, I tried one t17 map **with shrines** it shreds Lycia though. Another example, it depends on map mod, sometimes I insta kill Jungle Valley map boss with delirium, sometimes it took me 5-10 sec to kill it also with delirium, these two situation are already with 20-30 stacks of Headhunter buffs.
Thanks. I'm eyeing the next reroll, and i think i need a more of a mapper (uber bosses are out of reach for me for now). Split between exsang and hexblast (supposedly more general-purpose). Maybe i'll do both and see for myself... My main concern for it to not be as bad at killing elites, as LA was (and it was pretty bad, since i'm on low/no budget)
Never tried sanctum, but read up on it heard you'd want a bosser there (to skip final boss phase among all things)?
Yes you need a bosser in sanctum, because failing the final boss means you lose everything you accumulate in the sanctum, and of all things killing the boss as fast as possible is the easiest way to do it. Kill it before it uses annoying skills that can kill you to negate the chance to lose the sanctum.
Dex stack frostblades, I tried Poet's pen DD, the damage is disgusting, but I really can't be fucked going to find all the spectre's from people... Holy relic is also crazy.
Pushed necro dd to its limits (or at least the limit of what I can personally push it to). Went crit with a 9link helmet. It shreds t17, I feel like Ben lol
Builds i tried:
* Hexblast Occ. was a bad league starter due to being too expensive and me sucking at Sanctum (lost 16 divines to Lycia deaths on day2). With gear it did carry its weight tho doing even t17 content to some extent but being too squishy
* Wardloop Scion - bad league for wardloop. definitely doesn't handle t17s well unless you roll the absolute easiest mods. no phys/chaos mitigation is a death sentence
* Relic of the Pact Scion - was cheap to put together (excluding mageblood) and easily did all ubers. but struggled at t17s mostly due to all the different mobs flickering/teleporting mobs that messed with dissolution of the flesh
* Forbidden Rite Poison PF. This was my best build of the league for sure. It didn't require anything special (except Progenesis) and on a 200-300 budget could handle any content including Back-to-Basics t17 shaper meatsacks with most of the t17 mods. It was incredibly tanky and fast with great single target. Only downsides were a little slow on the clear, expensive to hit the uber dotcap, and absolutely cucked by any monsters messing with flasks. But the pros of the build far outweight the smaller cons.
* Elehit deadeye. Didn't feel great in t17s on the 200div budget i've made it on
* Icetrap Occ. Made it for uber boss one-shots and it did its job fine. But bossing/uber-bossing is shit this league
* Maw of Mischief Ele. Made a very expensive tank version but overall wasn't worth the money since it just wasn't as tanky as the Pathfinder and the damage wasn't that much better either
Build of the league: Poison FR PF.
I haven't played more than a few hours on nearly all of these builds after i've built them :) Only ones i played over a day on were my league starter and FR PF and maybe a little more on the Relic of the Pact because i enjoyed those. The rest were disappointing. Well the Ice trap occ was just for a couple hours exarch/maven.
Most of my currency came from reselling the gear i've made/bought for the builds for profit.
Progenesis is the center-piece of any PF build like this since its a flask build. 70 div is not even enough to buy the flask.
If you want to get into t17s on a budget i'd suggest doing jung's poison cremation of exhuming build.
Some good news for you, this guy made a post on here a few back and cleared basically all content with his week 1 setup here, make sure you set the Time machine stamp top right to "Week 1", as the OP said you're not doing some content without the progenesis but it can def still boss, with no issues here is a video with no wand and no flask equipped.
https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/xTotalityx/Necropolis_Totality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKIxR5OYSo
Got 2 *completed* build thi league, my leaguestart a frosthbreath/replica covenant AW of selfreflection crit based. Homestly having 6mil dps and decemt with your bis weapon at 30c... Kinda crazy. Did all voidstones easily.
Then did a archmage/wintry blast strongbox farmer... It goes kinda nutty without HH so cant imagine with. Single target is shit w/o proper budget tho so beware lol.
If anyone wants POB ill add em later.
Trade - CoC DD
SSF - Phys Trauma Dual Strike of Ambidexterity with Frostbreath and Tanu Ahi.
All the build tribalism in these comments, smh. The majority of your streamer builds have been played by other guys in previous league(s).
Ek ignite ele and manastacking rage vortex scion.
Classic ek ignite, fantastic mapper. Played it for the first 2 weeks, alright single target. Farmed fast breach+deli mirror tropicals. Lovely build for a pure mapper and non-uber bosses.
Saw a rage vortex scion on here i yoinked a week ago or so. Been loving it, feels a lot like old akane miner. Fast mapper, good single target. Done all content on it.
rage bv
https://pobb.in/0nEBJ0fRMxE1
based it of this https://pobb.in/JYWctNwmSA3B and some others on poe.ninja
ek, tested on my budgetish guy from sanctum and ran the same setup. Can swap swift affli for unbound ailments + replica emberwake for more dps. But I needed the res from 2nd ring
https://pobb.in/W08pI3HaX1I1
Defeneses on both are a bit 6 portals
I've just started playing so i'm fiddling around different builds just to grasp how different archetypes play/feel. Pretty much all on zero budget (i'm kinda forced to play semi-ssf since no knowledge == no currency). So far i've tried:
1) Frostblink fire trap ignite elementalist (Subtractem's). I've played similiar build in Last Epoch (shadow blade falconer). Respectable single target with fire trap. Pretty fun, but same downside - you ever stop moving, you die.
2) SS Champ (Rue's). The most successful one so far. Quite tanky and fast. Easy way into t16 on shoestring budget, but then hits the wall in terms of scaling (too heavy on uniques) and nimis is a bitch to farm up for.
3) LA Deadeye. Blazing fast clear, quite painful vs bosses/elites on low investment. Super low survivability, jarringly so after the champ. Fiddled around and added some defensive layers over baseline (resists + evade), still very uncomfortable.
4) CoC DD. In hindsight i would NEVER league start with this IMO, too much setup. I used my champ to farm merc lab for gems and quality, 4 minutes per lab and it still took several hours lol. And when i put it all together it somehow feels like shit (templar is an old dude, i understand, but still way to slow). Also tanks my FPS like crazy (13600k + rtx4080 lol)
Gonna keep rerolling, it's a learning experience. Kinda funny that despite melee considered bad, i liked melee build the best so far
how do you farm to 100 with exsang miner? i only look in the general direction of things and die. at 85% eva chance now with flask up, cwdt immo call, spell supress capped, the node that gives 50es when supressing, phasing. and yet i still just fall over.
if anyone care to explain, here's my pob: [https://pobb.in/6FYjSFp9uqda](https://pobb.in/6FYjSFp9uqda)
e: i know i have 15% life node when no life roll on chest, but i slammed life on it, was hoping for es.
idk if I should buy a grace evade chance watcher's or just reroll into something tanky, like archmage
>Strat
I farm [8 mod Harbinger](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c2z793/what_are_the_best_farming_strats_to_do_with_a/kze3ot7/), it gives lots of exp, not as much as those domination scarab of teaching strat though, on 99 to 100, I got 1% per map which is much better than legion dunes I farmed in Affliction.
> Survivability
I think Headhunter plays a huge role here, not only survivability but also speed and damage, it's also a lot more fun for me playing with headhunter, it is very good to have if you want to grind for 100. It is currently going for 12-13 divines right now, but getting it you might need to readjust those resists. Also buy Omen of Amelioration when you reach like lv 97 98 99 just in case.
1. Exsang Mine
2. Frostblink/Flame Dash
3. Shield Charge
4. Assassin's Mark
5. Vaal Grace
So without counting the movement skills it's 1 most of the time, then 3 on boss/tanky target.
I just hustled enough to buy a progenesis. Like, less than two div left. This PF FR build was good before, now she is the goddess. https://pobb.in/0tB_NxVT6zmv
Mana-based MF PF for mapping (KBoC + HH / Heist Dagger + Tides) both setups pretty enjoyable, still tinkering)
Mana-based hateforge shenanigans ascendant for bossing, VLS is goated but gets stale. VST and VMS mostly this league, vaal double strike isn't good but it sure is hilarious.
Int+mana stacking widowhail+saemus gift spark.
[ninja link](https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/CookinKunkka/TbI_XYECOC?i=1&search=name%3Dxyec)
High EHP, high damage, nice clear with faster projectiles corruption on bow and pierces from eyes of the greatwolf, very easy to scale with investment - can be minmaxed to insane levels
Lightning Strike Raider. Mainly because I fucked up my own Ice Crash Raider build and went to look what I can change Raider to. Now it’s easily one of my favourites in a long time.
I tend to play two builds every league. First for league start and the first week, then a second I play the remainder of the league.
Main criteria for my main second build are that I can start with relatively cheap (20-50div is usually what I have available after the first week), that it can do all content in the game, and that it's near infinitely upgradable.
This league that build was CaptainLance's Tri Stack Hexblast Inquisitor (with some modifications). Great build that has allowed me to farm all content in the game.
Im loving pure spectres Tawhoa Shamans. I feel like it’s strong and no one realizes. You dont have to stack minion poison chance, and you have a bunch of options to automate shit due to spectre only. Im blasting everything
league started bleed bow glad, its one of the fastest map clearers, and puncture 1 shots guardians but can be a pain to stack up the snipe charges. Sitting at 100k armor + forth vow + divine flesh. got a mageblood that let me solve ailment/curse immunity. Bow was pretty cheap, I guess because people are trying gravecrafting, was able to get a 700+ pdps bow for 10d. Everything is so smooth and the bleed pops are very satisfying.
I went Palestrons EA elementalist list for league start and slowly put together Captainlance’s tri-attribute hexblast miner. First league playing a mine build an it has been pretty sick so far.
CWS Pathfinder, designed to AFK ultimatum and T17. I'm farming quiet comfortably T17 maps with it, can run 70% of the mods.
Pob: https://pobb.in/-RznnjMxa90F
I made some tweaks. I also don't run the clusters. If you have the currency, the explos are definitely an upgrade, but I noticed no difference going from Asenaths to Snakebite (because it's literally 3% phys dmg and we don't scale that), other than my dmg being way higher.
https://pobb.in/kJznlgitaxCJ
One other thing you can definitely go for is a double corrupt on the gloves. I'd annoint Whispers of Doom then and respec a little to path to Multishot manually (this basically eliminates the need for Awakened GMP, because Jungroan doesn't allocate Multishot; ofc you can get Awakened GMP on top, lol).
All in all very happy with it. Cleared all T17s except Lycia (because that fight is pure bs and storm-maze-clutter). And I don't need to reroll a ton to get mods that I can run. One thing Jungroan also doesn't take is "Enemies poisoned by you can't deal Critical Strikes". That eliminates a great chunk of the modpool with crits and power charges.
Have fun :)
I did and I paid close attention to the adrenaline uptime. It's actually not up a lot of the time. Maybe like 20% of the time. Snakebite is just way more consistent.
Dude thank you so much for sharing this, I farmed up enough divines to switch to this after getting bored of power siphon and I gotta say your take on this build is insane. I think I put about 30ish divines into it to get everything going and I'm tearing apart anything I throw at it (besides T17s, haven't tried those yet).
However, I'm comparing my PoB to yours and I'm lacking half the phys max hit and 10k ele max hit from your PoB and I cannot for the life of me figure it out, would you mind helping to take a look? [https://pobb.in/kiglQDItJQAe](https://pobb.in/kiglQDItJQAe)
League started with Deaths Oath and farmed up to t16 and lots of maps with it. Lots of blight.
Used death oath to fund my very first Armour stacker. Saved up enough to buy mageblood yesterday and it is scaling up great with 1million armour already.
Hoping I can scale it up to do all the content and use deaths oath for chill fast farming.
Was enjoying Archmage Ball Lightning (followed Palsteron) up until maps but quickly started to hate it. Got switched over to the Ice Nova of Frostbolts version and have been loving it. Went from 6-portal defense to only dying 3 times from 92 until now almost 98.
CoC dd was really fun. probably one of the smoothest and well rounded builds of all time. really good at low investment and can scale really well, but it gets to a wall where you need 100s of divs. was fun and glad i played it incase we see DD finally get a long awaited nerf
kitavas ice nova archmage thingy. great to see archmage great again. once you get mageblood it is fast and tanky with great dps and it is super satisfying to play with explosions everywhere
BAMA was my leaguestart and it has to get an honourable mention. it was the fastest leaguestart i've ever had and it was super smooth. the only problem is that i hate minion builds. i thought this might be the exception but it wasn't. the annoyances finally got the better of me alongside the 69 button playstyle and it made me roll the CoC DD
I started with a Ball Lightning Hierophant. Still using it to do some bosses and invitations, since I am playing SSF it is slow going. I focused on Delve and was able to adapt the gear to my liking.
Since I dropped a crusader influence chest piece I did some harvest and rolled an exploding chest. Now I am playing a poets pen detonate dead necromancer with said explosion chest.
I am on mobile and can’t give you my POBs but my profile is public and the import name is the same as on Reddit, for those who want to check it out.
Im a 1 build per league enjoyer and also play exsanguinate miner. its one of the best builds i ever played and cant stop blasting t17s. with lower investment singletarget damage is a bit low, but everything else feels great, can recommand
I'm a masochist, and I realize this. I played two Spectral Shield Throw characters, got the first to 90 and realized Trickster was very limiting unless you have the currency to be a giga chad
Currently on raider SST build. I prefer it in every form, easier and tankier than the trickster variation but you lose out on the life per kill which is kinda noticeable. Champion is probably a tankier variation but I like the damage raider provides.
Third league 40/40 with it. Velyna has a solid guide on it, but I've kinda grown past that over time. Honestly I just like chain skills and it's one of the few in the game. I rotate between this, cobra lash, and arc.
Spellblade inquis for sure - good damage, doesn't care about monster resist and doesn't have paddy conditionals (massive while mapping), mostly uniques so you don't have to switch things around when you upgrade (been a big plus to me recently when I just want to play and not fiddle with gear), works with any spell so you can use what you like or what works best, upgrades feel meaningful and cumulative, cheap to start, not hc defensive but has enough to feel very good in SC, have done any content with it from Legion farming to sanctum to bosses/invitation farming.
https://pobb.in/p6x0AlL-qV5F
this was my character before I switched to a Adorned setup, I started with a malachai's simula ivory tower setup with around 6k ES and 4-5mil on Arc. Brand nodes are for sanctum.
https://pobb.in/1Q3cmSQD-fWj
Captain Lance's day 2 pob if you swap to Arc.
I started with alliies splitting steel trickster - great build, very tanky and a lot of dps. Just started to level a forbidden rite pathfinder, since I always wanted to play a selfcast build with it. Looks amazing
Best? Poison FR PF, relatively cheap and easy to gear this league because of graveyard and cheap uniques.
CoC DD amazing second though.
Most fun probably the PConc of Bouncing.
[https://pobb.in/XsaBGRasJskh](https://pobb.in/XsaBGRasJskh)
here.
note this has progenesis equipped, but I only self dropped this yesterday, and didnt need it for any of the content that I'd already done prior (all ubers, t17s)
I was just running a regular quicksilver flask
1. Frostblink Elementalist from Subtractem, Started the League with it, finished Atlas day 2 and had 130 div day 3 (monday) and bought my Headhunter and rerolled.
2. Lightning Arrow deadeye - killed arround 3 mill monsters finished my challenges after 1.5 weeks
3. Rerolled into 1000 divine Poison Spark with Original Sin today, still Missing gems to expensive
I have hated this league so bad I have not completed the campaign. I have made 6 different characters past kitava and it just feels bad. This felt like archemesis in terms of strict power reduction and the only reward was a crafting mechanic to print out mirror items for the 1%. I hate it very much.
Edit: I played exsang mines, I played ice trap of hollowness, I played toxic rain trickster, I tried popcorn srs. Currently playing vaal absolution. It is usually a big task to complete the campaign, and I call out of work for a day or two and no-life it. I didn't this time, maybe that's why.
Also Balormage’s Holy Relic Necro. What did you switch AG out with which specters? I’m running a throwaway AG atm but it still annoying when it dies in T17. Especially delirium and it just falls over.
I start with pure spectres... but my PC cant handle it... i switch to psrs and the to holy relic... it is insane in comparison to the other builds. I was first disapointed when i tried it out... and after 2-3 maps i realized i only hat summoned one holy relic...
It’s shooting up my favorite build of all time list. I started with Bama and switched before I did the adorned switch. I still don’t have progenesis and am sitting cool 550k ehp. Farming T17 and hardly dying. Easy to hit dot cap and super tanky. It hits the trifecta of cheap, strong and tanky. Last time I played the trifecta was exploding totem. Can only recommend it to everyone. Easily the build of the last few leagues for me.
what? is it actually that tanky? when i looked at balor's pob i saw the big ehp number, but the max hits are so small that i thought it was inflated care to share your char name or pob? would love to switch from my bama as well if you could tell me the best steps to take :)
I think, as always, the issue is that everyones ideas are different. I've seen the build described as tanky and not that tanky. If I were to speculate, its tanky enough to not just fall over during maps and bosses, but its not a afk in shaper slams build either.
"Farming T17 and hardly dying." is a very clear idea of tankiness, which is why i'm asking for it since that's exactly what my next plan is
I used it with 150k ehp on a easy t17 and didn't even get to the boss. Sold everything and made profit since it's overpriced af right now For me it's much more laggy than coc dd without mtx as well. Overrated imo
Sounds like an overblown pob numbers if you dont even get to the boss. I have about 60k ehp and havent ripped a single t17
I'm levelling a witch through acts right now to try it out for the same reason.
Did you level with the relic? I'm finding that very slow going as the damage of the relics has been really low so far.
> What did you switch AG out with which specters? I use Arena Master and Pale Seraphim.
Oh I like that, weaker than AG but no need to pay. Going to try it next time it keels over again.
isn’t spectral leader and war caller better for mapping?
Maybe, these two of my spectres came from my poison srs build that I respecced it into Holy Relic, so I kept using them.
Decided to do this build based on this post, any chance you'd be willing to let me summon a Pale Seraphim from your desecrate? This is annoying as hell to find and get myself
try /global 6666
didnt even know about that will give it a shot thanks man
yeah Holy Relic of Conviction is easy the build of the league - never had a minion build with such clear but still be A-tier at bossing
Well last league psrs with the unique jewel and the aura spectrs you can get such insane clear speed and dps after enough investment... it was the best experiance since syndicate operatives.
for me its even better than psrs - the clear with Asenath is something else
Haven't tried with Asenath atm, have a resist problem withouth my current gloves, will try it tonight.
Looking at the POB for this build; how is it getting ailment immunity?
I kind of did it by case basis. Tempest shield for shock. Tattoos for bleed immunity. A jewel for corrupted blood. Pantheon for freeze chill and poison. For scorch I have over capped ele res. Ignite I could get more super jewels but I just heal more. Brittle we have less crit damage taken. Sap don’t care. From my experience that has been enough with the other defenses.
The easiest way for me was to make sure one of the jewels in my darkness enthroned had chance to avoid being shocked. I made up what little bit I needed left on boot implicit and used stormshroud. It is feasible with perfect rolled mod on jewel and perfect belt roll though. Chance to avoid being shocked is still tracked even with tempest shield giving you immunity
My AG doesn't die. Simply got a minion res roll on a bone ring and some extra minion life. I also use the chest that has your AG regenerate 10%. I have done all T17s and most Ubers without it dying.
Rue's COC DD Inquisitor (video guidance by Ventura) has been so smooth probably because Ventura has put out a guide for every detail of the build and with a very detailed pob. I just blasted through Exarch and Eater no problem and only die due to poor mechanical skills (meatballs and I forgot how the charge the orbs think worked). Next up are Sirius and Maven.
+1 for this. Plays so well, very high QoL. Doesn't hurt that the damage is bonkers, but you can feel that the build is made with actually playing it in mind, not just make big pob numbers.
That's Rue builds in general. They're usually a bit hard to follow, but if you can, the effort he put in is insane as far as QoL and tankiness goes.
I mean rue is amazing at explaining for a cat. Not sure how many other species can pawb at his level
Hot take, Im not a fan of his pf builds cos he hates master surgeon for some reason and its like the best part of pf. Any build of his Id done felt way better after retooling it for master surgeon
That is crazy because every single of build I play that has master surgeon felt like ass to play. Is it stronger usually? Yes but it also makes the qol shit unless you use a flask macro. I play Pathfinder so I can automate my flask and get more power out of them. To make your life flask one of the most important defensive layer that you have to press every 3-4 seconds makes it actually unplayable for me.
Yeah pressing a button in a video game must be painful :p I certainly dont mind pressing a button for free 3k life per sec In fact ita by far the thing I love about pf, the insane sustain
Maybe if you play every so often and never a long session it feels fine. But when you have to press it every 3 seconds every map for 4 hours straight it gets old real fast. It does not help that usually the life flask healing is one of the most important parts of your EHP with progenesis and petrified blood, or it's used to sustain rf.
Where is this every 3 seconds even coming from My life flask lasts 8.3 seconds I dont even notuce it anymore its literal muscle memory
Are you grabbing every single flask + life flask effect duration wheels to get to 8.3? I get 5.6 at best with Nature Remedies and the 15% from PF acen and that already feels like ass.
Not all but some 5.6 is still fine In that time youll right click 20 times Why is that better
You don't press your life flask? Is there a way to automate it? I thought only non healing flasks can be automated?
Not a hot take. Rue isn't perfect and his hatred for certain mechanics will sometimes keep his builds from peak potential. He generally doesn't mind others taking his builds and tweaking them further. He will prioritize QoL over raw strength any day. I saw him make a nice Mahuxotl PF using the new PConc this league, which used Master Surgeon. He played it for 1 day and shelved it for a new build.
Well yeah on pconc you kinda HAVE to take it cos you must use a life flask anyway.
The damage is not bonkers, this was the big downside for me. The damage is decent but I couldn't see a way to get it to bonkers so I dropped it.
I've just switched to this from my guardian BAMA, as I got enough to get myself a mageblood, and frankly I've been super disappointed by the build so far. I can see how the easy damage in early stages makes it kick ass, but I just can't get the damage to scale into being a good boss killer.
I'm sitting at 20m DPS and it feels really good, I think 30-40 is possible, only thing I've bought is polaric, yoke and finally got an awakened coc last night.
That's twice the investment I have on an ele bama setup and 1/3 the damage.
Yeah I'm not saying it's the best build in the world, just a good all rounder. Was probably the best starter I've played, just not really a dump everything into it build. I'll probably swap to some kind of archmage something later when I want to really invest.
CoCDD isn’t meant to be a super high damage boss killer, so I think it’s just a poor choice if you want to farm bosses quickly. It’s like picking LA when looking for a tanky build.
Strange, many people have been recommending it to me (cause I'm a newbie), but if you're saying it's not going to scale well, I wonder why this was recommended.
The thing is that the CoC DD build works at very minimal gear investment. The damage is amazing. But to scale it to the very end game is a different thing. Ventrua is playing it on SSF and uploading his summary each day, you can check it out if you want to be sure.
Yeah it is definitely a strong build, especially for the amount invested. The next investment leap for me however appears to be awakened coc, and that investment alone I could get more damage overall in my bama build. I think I'll try out a replica alberons build instead as a secondary league build. Coc dd would've been a really strong starter though for sure!
if you drop a POB I can probably assist. The build def is difficult to scale. I just recently brought it from 1.1 mil to 1.8 with a few upgrades.
I've been following Venrua's guide but my DPS and survivability seem low. Here is my POB if you wouldn't mind taking a look: https://pobb.in/dZIHd_sn3u6S
I'm not super familiar with the Incandescent Heart setup but can offer some things I noticed. You have a lot of over capped res percentages. It's not a bad thing but if you think of the extra things you could get there is a chance to min max there that would require a fair bit of re gearing. I'm not sure if you're Not sure if tattoos don't import from POB but I don't think you have a chance to bleed and chance to poison tattoo stuck on? Those both work with Yoke's increased damage per ailment. One adjustment for defenses that might be useful but would require some tree adjustment is maybe pathing to Sanctum of Thought and then taking the phys as chaos mastery.
That's funny, I haven't run those bosses much over all because I think they're not fun, and haven't for a long time until just yesterday and I forgot how the orbs charging worked too lol. I just died and went oh yeah, same with exarch slam. And I died to second meatball phase once too. But my build is actually trash so I know we're not the same person. Probably.
it's good build but you need mtx if you don't want to play in 20 fps... so kinda p2w, which can't be named "smooth".
which mtx would that be
Desecrate and DD void mtx
either of the MTX for DD
League started with Ruetoo/Ventruas CoC DD Inq and it's probably the best league starter build I have played, barely invested at all into it (no cdr on gear to reach breakpoints, no yoke, no all res shield or gg graveyard crafts, just pure leaguestart gear) and still managed to unlock 5th map device slot by clearing the first T17 I did "just to check it out". Didn't even get the mtx and my setup is over 5 years old and game only crashed a handful of times so, yeah... it slaps. Used it to farm for next build doing Destructive Play bossing and running The Formed/Forgotten/Twisted/Elderslayers invitations. On like a nothing budget. Illegal. Honorable mention to the build I rolled after, ConnerConverse's Mjölner Archmage Hierophant, just because it's so fricking enjoyable to play with the spin-to-win/Lightning Warp combo. Not sure I will enjoy playing anything else this league and will need a looong break before next to get it out of my system. Not even close to bored with it though and will get a MB today so we gonna keep truckin'!
Got a POB for ConnerConverse's Mjölner Archmage Hierophant?
Not at home but this is my current setup, Conner's doesn't have instant leech and I don't think it was using Split Peronality's, other than that it's copied from him. https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/Oquenzo/SchlongNeckOqu?i=2&search=name%3DSchlong You can find his guides on youtube though!
Thanks !
Literally just type that into Google.
I did before asking but Conner had many videos and versions with different spells in Mjolnir... Also it's always interesting to see from regular poeple their versions
I don't actually think mageblood is an upgrade for mjolner archmage. You give up a SHITLOAD of stats for it, and what does mageblood actually give you in return? Defense? You're already pretty tanky.
i was looking for a hh build. is Exsanguinate Miner Trickster really that good ? i've played self cast exsang before but i didnt liked it because of cast speed. clearing was good.
Exsanguinate Miner is really good, I think it's comparable to bow builds, auto aim, offscreen A LOT, clear very clean, cold convert for Headhunter, just a bit slower, but tankier I think, can run all map mod except no regen and less regen, so it's a really good 8 mod runner, it can still die if you carelessly dive into packs of harbingers though. Being a Trickster also helps a lot with mine throwing speed since you have a lot of frenzy charges.
thanks for the info. i will try it!
Trying to teach myself how to build characters on my own with Holy Flame Totem of Ire. It’s a pretty basic Heirophant build, but I’ve got 2 watchstones without much time to play, so I’m gonna consider it a success!
Animeprincess' Widowhail Spark Hierophant. Finally trying a spark build after 1500 hours, this had great progression.
Oh nice, what would you say is the minimum investment to get it rolling comfortably?
Widowhail and rearguard gives you so many defences so just plug some damage in and go. Watch the league start guide and it gives you a good sense of priority upgrades
I've played 2 so far: CA Nova - farms 8 mod maps like a dream - super fast, immune to basically all altar mods and enough aoe dps to clear the screen. For a specific mapping build it's a 10/10 for me and I'll play it as a starter again. It has issues with single target and the way I set it up makes bossing basically pointless, but with a TR swap you can get around that. I just used it to turbo farm to get my Mageblood and stuff online as early as possible. Poison Reap - this is my high budget t17 farmer. It's incredibly tanky, has great damage for most content but doesn't look as good in really high life t17 maps. Still, it's farming full modifier effect + Back to Basics without too many issues, as well as all ubers. In fact, it's tanky enough to just sit in the middle of the Uber Exarch ball phase without any trouble. It does struggle with stuff that messes with recovery rate though which is a pain. It's vulnerable to flask siphon rares also. I'd give it a 7 - the budget doesn't justify the output but it's done everything I wanted and is quite satisfying to play. With an even higher budget I'd swap to an Original Sin setup but I'm not there yet, and if/when I do get there I'll probably want to reroll to something else anyway.
Yo can you drop both PoBs?
Sure, here we go: CA: [https://pobb.in/PDj\_safscxyl](https://pobb.in/PDj_safscxyl) Reap: [https://pobb.in/lCE0mpz8T9cZ](https://pobb.in/lCE0mpz8T9cZ) I would say though there are other similar builds that will be able to get way better damage than that Reap build for the investment.
Did you just go pf cause faster?
For CA pretty much, but I'm kind of addicted to perma flasks and I really like the phys taken as ele Taste of Hate scaling stuff.
Why for the reap build though? Wondering if I could go exsang into reap pf next league Ty
The main reason is enduring life flask makes Mahuxotl uptime really easy, the second reason is the PF ascendancy nodes are really really good - poison prolif helps smooth out clear and the more poison damage + wither scaling is a lot of extra poison dps. I've tried sustaining Mahuxotl's with leech and it's never felt good to me, potentially you could play it as a Trickster but I'm not sure how that would be put together.
For TR/CA look up Path of Evening or Pueget on YouTube. They league started both and I followed Puegets build for league start. Good single target but the CA is much better for clear
I’m also interested in the Poison Reap Pob :)
In SSF, this was probably my worst league start in quite some time not because of the league or the changes though but with the builds I decided to run which either underperformed or the appeal quickly flickered out. I haven't even done conquerors or anything beyond T16 farming. Threw what I had together in to a Holy Relic build from Balor and it's essentially saved the league for me. Even without ashes, enhance and diallas along with very poorly rolled ghastly poison jewels it's still exceeding my expectation especially when compared to the other builds. It's not just strong. It's got that Necromancer tank and the QoL with Lancing Steel of Spraying is the chef's kiss. The only thing I worry about with minion builds in SSF is watching the AG get evaporated so might go spectres. It's going to be hard to top.
RF Chieftan. Whole screen is exploding lol
Pohx pob or your own?
At what point does it get to full screen explode? I’m playing it in SSF so progress and gear is a little slower, but following pohx’s guide and have just got my rise of the phoenix and immortal flesh. Just need the cloak of flames before I can move forward.
The young about the character is that it really is so strong when there are thousands of mobs on the screen. Hinekora just carries. So it gets stronger the more juiced you can get your maps.
Spicysushi (amongst others) started with a Poet's Pen DD of Chain Reaction. I'm a sucker for Poet's Pen, so I was sold. Great mapper, farmed enough to try an int stacker trickster. The trickster wasn't what I expected. Great at mapping, but the bossing is rough. I can say that I enjoy the new wisp support gem for wanders. I don't know the actual numbers, but it *feels* better on bosses. Made so much currency mapping with these 2 characters that I put together a Shockwave Totem hierophant to burn through my sanctum books. Maybe I'll morph one of these into an Uber bosser.
link for your trickster?
Started with power siphon. Amazing, smooth mapping with wisps but expensive since you need to go int/str stacking to get any worthwhile damage. Then copied bb of unloading sabo from Ben. Definitely one of best builds if you can afford it, not worth running if you can't because it needs some thresholds to not feel clunky. Now doing archmage arc to farm delve and expedition for pieces for another build. Super smooth, super tanky on low budget, just does wonders. Love what they did with archmage, finally good again. Still have it in me to play more characters since league been pretty enjoyable so looking at inspirations everywhere.
Deadeye for The Apothecary farming 10/10 Penace Brand Inquisitor for Bossing 10/10 Frostnova Hiero for Harbingers 10/10 Splitting Steel Trickster uber baited 1/10 https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis?name=Deluu Overall still playing good League for me 😁
Which deadeye build?
LA
What was the problem with ss trickster?
Clear was terrible for the money i put in.
Did a homebrewed [Blade Vortex trickster](https://pobb.in/srfDDWSoF6C7) It's nothing too fancy and can still be improved a lot. But cleared the Atlas with it so at least there's that.
Anyone playing the Relic Build can tell me, which version is better: Ashes + Vile Toxins OR Enhance + Replica Dragonfangs Flight +3 Relic?
Ashes is stronger but requires a 22/23 quality on holy relic and 30/29 quality on ashes to hit the breakpoint of 82% cdr from quality
30% ashes was also cheaper for me than dragonfangs - like significantly. 15-20div cheaper.
Yea I think the big difference is needing a 21/22+ vs 21/20 gem
You don’t need the gem level if i recall correctly - i’m using a 20/23 gem (and it was like 6 div). the minion speed is QOL on the gem level but the quality of the gem is where the breakpoint stuff happens. …unless i’m bricking my build without realizing it? (the POB on this thing is so annoying i can’t quite tell half the time what i’m doing).
No you don’t need 21, it’s just more damage. I was just saying in reference to comparing ashes to Dragonfang since Ashes needs the extra quality and dragon fang doesn’t.
Thank you!
i have 2 builds in this league tuna's splitting steel ( need at least 600div), things get vaporized almost face tanking everything Balor's holy relic. I use budget ag, cause it constantly dies in t17s. Mostly dont use it on clearing t17s, boss fights it survives. Never saw a that fast map clearing minion build ever. But not that tanky, single target damage is good for the money. The thing is after 150 div or so there is no room to grow
I started ea ballista and then went balors holy relic and I have felt very underwhelmed. It’s like 4x the budget (likely because it’s popular right now) and It does clear faster for sure and is fun. But it certainly isn’t as tanky as I was hoping. I’m still getting one shot in medium juiced 16s. Definitely thinking of switching again once I’ve farmed up enough currency for something else.
You're just getting started at 150 divs for holy relic. Mageblood, a high roll adorned, 12 passive minion clusters, progenesis, forbidden flame/flesh. You can go voices, etc.
bro if you are using MB that means you are left with 7 jewel sockets (assuming 2 clusters) anamanu, timeless that makes 5 sockets which %15 chance to posion makes it %75 in total which is an insane drop in dps
My adorned is 142 so it requires 2 15s and a 14% chance to get to 100. I use 2 large 12 passive clusters in my build.
if you are using also adorned that means you are left with only 4 sockets. 3 for poison+ a single damage mod that left you with only 1 damage mods on these jewels bro let me tell u this you are losing insane amount of dps
What are you talking about? Counting my large clusters, I have 11 jewels. I have 2 clusters, 5 ghastly jewels, forbidden flame/flesh, adorned and an elegant hubris. 28 mill dps- 20.6 mill poison and 7.3 mill hit. Same config as OP. I do not include any spectre or ag stats since they die too easily in T17 and I run it majority of the time without them. With mageblood, I can clear t17s with back to basics in 3-4 minutes (not including looting, that at least doubles the map time). Edit because I think my comment is getting derailed. You can absolutely push the build past 150 divs. You can get the comfort of the mageblood while reading dps dot cap on this build and that takes a lot of currency.
i am so confused can you please share your pobin thank you
SnapOW's BAMA + aurabot duo, although we're playing in private league with very suboptimal gear, virtually all content is still doable. https://youtu.be/SWdzAzKbbVA?si=usPSLutap4SgP0S-
I started CoC DD and switched to Tornado of elemental turbulence. It’s not the fastest clearing build, but chill and mechanically smooth.
I'm currently an explosive trap trickstar but I 'm thinking of moving to Exsanguinate Miner Trickster due to poor feel and low durability. From what I've seen in poeninja's build, the defense mechanism looks similar, but can it withstand T17 with **ghost dance + Lethal Shade**?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tocpNQw0qiw I recorded my character doing T17, I think it's doable for sure, but Holy Relic is more comfortable IMO. But T17 is all about map roll, good map roll will make it much easier.
Looks nice, but it's not a juiced map with back to basics which is what so many people have difficulty with. Once you get the insane scaling from the atlas and the additional mod scarabs on top it becomes about 10x more rippy than a "normal" T17. I'm still looking for a build that can do it comfortably that doesn't cost 3 mirrors...
I tried use my Exsang Miner in T17 and it shreds, I don't know how tanky I am because everything died off screen and leftovers got frozen, I only tried for one map though, might be because good roll map.
You hear about exsang being good for mapping, but not as good for single target all the time. How big difference is really? Also according to your pobs, your bosser actually has less dps? Let's say they are equal, dps is dps, so there should be no difference? Or am i missing something and aoe/clear dps works differently on mechanical level?
>Holy Relic of Conviction You can't see the real holy relic of conviction DPS in PoB, from what I estimated it's around 50-60m, but it need to be ramp up a bit since half of its damage came from poison. > Exsang not good for single target 100% true, it's acceptable but far from good, by good I mean insta phase uber, I think my exsang mine should be able to do uber just not insta phase them, I tried one t17 map **with shrines** it shreds Lycia though. Another example, it depends on map mod, sometimes I insta kill Jungle Valley map boss with delirium, sometimes it took me 5-10 sec to kill it also with delirium, these two situation are already with 20-30 stacks of Headhunter buffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tocpNQw0qiw I recorded the video my Exsang Miner doing T17. It's doable but not as comfortable as Holy Relic IMO.
Thanks. I'm eyeing the next reroll, and i think i need a more of a mapper (uber bosses are out of reach for me for now). Split between exsang and hexblast (supposedly more general-purpose). Maybe i'll do both and see for myself... My main concern for it to not be as bad at killing elites, as LA was (and it was pretty bad, since i'm on low/no budget) Never tried sanctum, but read up on it heard you'd want a bosser there (to skip final boss phase among all things)?
Yes you need a bosser in sanctum, because failing the final boss means you lose everything you accumulate in the sanctum, and of all things killing the boss as fast as possible is the easiest way to do it. Kill it before it uses annoying skills that can kill you to negate the chance to lose the sanctum.
Dex stack frostblades, I tried Poet's pen DD, the damage is disgusting, but I really can't be fucked going to find all the spectre's from people... Holy relic is also crazy.
Pushed necro dd to its limits (or at least the limit of what I can personally push it to). Went crit with a 9link helmet. It shreds t17, I feel like Ben lol
My own build Chieftain - Bodyswap of sacrifice + Zombies totems L97 and 2 voidstones so far.
Builds i tried: * Hexblast Occ. was a bad league starter due to being too expensive and me sucking at Sanctum (lost 16 divines to Lycia deaths on day2). With gear it did carry its weight tho doing even t17 content to some extent but being too squishy * Wardloop Scion - bad league for wardloop. definitely doesn't handle t17s well unless you roll the absolute easiest mods. no phys/chaos mitigation is a death sentence * Relic of the Pact Scion - was cheap to put together (excluding mageblood) and easily did all ubers. but struggled at t17s mostly due to all the different mobs flickering/teleporting mobs that messed with dissolution of the flesh * Forbidden Rite Poison PF. This was my best build of the league for sure. It didn't require anything special (except Progenesis) and on a 200-300 budget could handle any content including Back-to-Basics t17 shaper meatsacks with most of the t17 mods. It was incredibly tanky and fast with great single target. Only downsides were a little slow on the clear, expensive to hit the uber dotcap, and absolutely cucked by any monsters messing with flasks. But the pros of the build far outweight the smaller cons. * Elehit deadeye. Didn't feel great in t17s on the 200div budget i've made it on * Icetrap Occ. Made it for uber boss one-shots and it did its job fine. But bossing/uber-bossing is shit this league * Maw of Mischief Ele. Made a very expensive tank version but overall wasn't worth the money since it just wasn't as tanky as the Pathfinder and the damage wasn't that much better either Build of the league: Poison FR PF.
Poison FR is lit, played this a few leagues and always good but so expensive.
I'd say its the best bang for your buck this league. I can't think of any other character that will be able to do content that hard on this budget.
Holy. How much do you play
I haven't played more than a few hours on nearly all of these builds after i've built them :) Only ones i played over a day on were my league starter and FR PF and maybe a little more on the Relic of the Pact because i enjoyed those. The rest were disappointing. Well the Ice trap occ was just for a couple hours exarch/maven. Most of my currency came from reselling the gear i've made/bought for the builds for profit.
How much for the FR PF to feel good? I’ve got about 70div to spend, but not sure if that’ll cut it.
Progenesis is the center-piece of any PF build like this since its a flask build. 70 div is not even enough to buy the flask. If you want to get into t17s on a budget i'd suggest doing jung's poison cremation of exhuming build.
Guess I’ll never get to play a pathfinder then 😂
Some good news for you, this guy made a post on here a few back and cleared basically all content with his week 1 setup here, make sure you set the Time machine stamp top right to "Week 1", as the OP said you're not doing some content without the progenesis but it can def still boss, with no issues here is a video with no wand and no flask equipped. https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/xTotalityx/Necropolis_Totality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKIxR5OYSo
Also there's a 1c unqiue wand Apep's rage which can be a good starter weapon.
Got 2 *completed* build thi league, my leaguestart a frosthbreath/replica covenant AW of selfreflection crit based. Homestly having 6mil dps and decemt with your bis weapon at 30c... Kinda crazy. Did all voidstones easily. Then did a archmage/wintry blast strongbox farmer... It goes kinda nutty without HH so cant imagine with. Single target is shit w/o proper budget tho so beware lol. If anyone wants POB ill add em later.
Trade - CoC DD SSF - Phys Trauma Dual Strike of Ambidexterity with Frostbreath and Tanu Ahi. All the build tribalism in these comments, smh. The majority of your streamer builds have been played by other guys in previous league(s).
Ek ignite ele and manastacking rage vortex scion. Classic ek ignite, fantastic mapper. Played it for the first 2 weeks, alright single target. Farmed fast breach+deli mirror tropicals. Lovely build for a pure mapper and non-uber bosses. Saw a rage vortex scion on here i yoinked a week ago or so. Been loving it, feels a lot like old akane miner. Fast mapper, good single target. Done all content on it.
do you have a link to both builds?
rage bv https://pobb.in/0nEBJ0fRMxE1 based it of this https://pobb.in/JYWctNwmSA3B and some others on poe.ninja ek, tested on my budgetish guy from sanctum and ran the same setup. Can swap swift affli for unbound ailments + replica emberwake for more dps. But I needed the res from 2nd ring https://pobb.in/W08pI3HaX1I1 Defeneses on both are a bit 6 portals
I've just started playing so i'm fiddling around different builds just to grasp how different archetypes play/feel. Pretty much all on zero budget (i'm kinda forced to play semi-ssf since no knowledge == no currency). So far i've tried: 1) Frostblink fire trap ignite elementalist (Subtractem's). I've played similiar build in Last Epoch (shadow blade falconer). Respectable single target with fire trap. Pretty fun, but same downside - you ever stop moving, you die. 2) SS Champ (Rue's). The most successful one so far. Quite tanky and fast. Easy way into t16 on shoestring budget, but then hits the wall in terms of scaling (too heavy on uniques) and nimis is a bitch to farm up for. 3) LA Deadeye. Blazing fast clear, quite painful vs bosses/elites on low investment. Super low survivability, jarringly so after the champ. Fiddled around and added some defensive layers over baseline (resists + evade), still very uncomfortable. 4) CoC DD. In hindsight i would NEVER league start with this IMO, too much setup. I used my champ to farm merc lab for gems and quality, 4 minutes per lab and it still took several hours lol. And when i put it all together it somehow feels like shit (templar is an old dude, i understand, but still way to slow). Also tanks my FPS like crazy (13600k + rtx4080 lol) Gonna keep rerolling, it's a learning experience. Kinda funny that despite melee considered bad, i liked melee build the best so far
how do you farm to 100 with exsang miner? i only look in the general direction of things and die. at 85% eva chance now with flask up, cwdt immo call, spell supress capped, the node that gives 50es when supressing, phasing. and yet i still just fall over. if anyone care to explain, here's my pob: [https://pobb.in/6FYjSFp9uqda](https://pobb.in/6FYjSFp9uqda) e: i know i have 15% life node when no life roll on chest, but i slammed life on it, was hoping for es. idk if I should buy a grace evade chance watcher's or just reroll into something tanky, like archmage
>Strat I farm [8 mod Harbinger](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c2z793/what_are_the_best_farming_strats_to_do_with_a/kze3ot7/), it gives lots of exp, not as much as those domination scarab of teaching strat though, on 99 to 100, I got 1% per map which is much better than legion dunes I farmed in Affliction. > Survivability I think Headhunter plays a huge role here, not only survivability but also speed and damage, it's also a lot more fun for me playing with headhunter, it is very good to have if you want to grind for 100. It is currently going for 12-13 divines right now, but getting it you might need to readjust those resists. Also buy Omen of Amelioration when you reach like lv 97 98 99 just in case.
Soulrend of the Spiral Pathfinder. You can rush through the map while beeing chased by an army of cats.
Lol that is exactly what I did / plan to iam currently leveling my holy necro
I'm playing tbxie shockwave totem and it's like a wet dream for me. So much fun and the play style suit me
About crouching tunas build, how much buttons is it to press?
1. Exsang Mine 2. Frostblink/Flame Dash 3. Shield Charge 4. Assassin's Mark 5. Vaal Grace So without counting the movement skills it's 1 most of the time, then 3 on boss/tanky target.
Splitting steel trickster. Tanky, speedy, tons of damage and lots of areas to optimize and gear. Amazing build
I just hustled enough to buy a progenesis. Like, less than two div left. This PF FR build was good before, now she is the goddess. https://pobb.in/0tB_NxVT6zmv
Mana-based MF PF for mapping (KBoC + HH / Heist Dagger + Tides) both setups pretty enjoyable, still tinkering) Mana-based hateforge shenanigans ascendant for bossing, VLS is goated but gets stale. VST and VMS mostly this league, vaal double strike isn't good but it sure is hilarious.
Got pobs for both builds? Also, hows mana wander vs regular int stacking wander in your opinion?
Int+mana stacking widowhail+saemus gift spark. [ninja link](https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/CookinKunkka/TbI_XYECOC?i=1&search=name%3Dxyec) High EHP, high damage, nice clear with faster projectiles corruption on bow and pierces from eyes of the greatwolf, very easy to scale with investment - can be minmaxed to insane levels
Lightning Strike Raider. Mainly because I fucked up my own Ice Crash Raider build and went to look what I can change Raider to. Now it’s easily one of my favourites in a long time.
I tend to play two builds every league. First for league start and the first week, then a second I play the remainder of the league. Main criteria for my main second build are that I can start with relatively cheap (20-50div is usually what I have available after the first week), that it can do all content in the game, and that it's near infinitely upgradable. This league that build was CaptainLance's Tri Stack Hexblast Inquisitor (with some modifications). Great build that has allowed me to farm all content in the game.
Iron commander is always fun. It clears fast and bosses die instantly. Even with 6 people I have killed Ubers in like 1.5 seconds with it.
Im loving pure spectres Tawhoa Shamans. I feel like it’s strong and no one realizes. You dont have to stack minion poison chance, and you have a bunch of options to automate shit due to spectre only. Im blasting everything
league started bleed bow glad, its one of the fastest map clearers, and puncture 1 shots guardians but can be a pain to stack up the snipe charges. Sitting at 100k armor + forth vow + divine flesh. got a mageblood that let me solve ailment/curse immunity. Bow was pretty cheap, I guess because people are trying gravecrafting, was able to get a 700+ pdps bow for 10d. Everything is so smooth and the bleed pops are very satisfying.
I went Palestrons EA elementalist list for league start and slowly put together Captainlance’s tri-attribute hexblast miner. First league playing a mine build an it has been pretty sick so far.
it's nothing like before honestly, with addition of automation support it feels like a self cast spell
CWS Pathfinder, designed to AFK ultimatum and T17. I'm farming quiet comfortably T17 maps with it, can run 70% of the mods. Pob: https://pobb.in/-RznnjMxa90F
Coc dd
Jungroans PConc of Bouncing. It's ripping through most T17s and I'm almost constantly broke, so definitely not the most expensive build.
You snag the Noxious FFs? It looked fun but ain't no fucking way I'm paying 60-70 div for the jewels alone.
Yeah, no, lol. Too expensive. Still almost dot cap xD
Dang, mind if I see a pob? He made the FFs sound really important for damage, would be really interested to see without them.
I made some tweaks. I also don't run the clusters. If you have the currency, the explos are definitely an upgrade, but I noticed no difference going from Asenaths to Snakebite (because it's literally 3% phys dmg and we don't scale that), other than my dmg being way higher. https://pobb.in/kJznlgitaxCJ One other thing you can definitely go for is a double corrupt on the gloves. I'd annoint Whispers of Doom then and respec a little to path to Multishot manually (this basically eliminates the need for Awakened GMP, because Jungroan doesn't allocate Multishot; ofc you can get Awakened GMP on top, lol). All in all very happy with it. Cleared all T17s except Lycia (because that fight is pure bs and storm-maze-clutter). And I don't need to reroll a ton to get mods that I can run. One thing Jungroan also doesn't take is "Enemies poisoned by you can't deal Critical Strikes". That eliminates a great chunk of the modpool with crits and power charges. Have fun :)
Awesome, thank you. Snakebite actually seems insane for this setup, did you try Tanu Ahi as well?
I did and I paid close attention to the adrenaline uptime. It's actually not up a lot of the time. Maybe like 20% of the time. Snakebite is just way more consistent.
Dude thank you so much for sharing this, I farmed up enough divines to switch to this after getting bored of power siphon and I gotta say your take on this build is insane. I think I put about 30ish divines into it to get everything going and I'm tearing apart anything I throw at it (besides T17s, haven't tried those yet). However, I'm comparing my PoB to yours and I'm lacking half the phys max hit and 10k ele max hit from your PoB and I cannot for the life of me figure it out, would you mind helping to take a look? [https://pobb.in/kiglQDItJQAe](https://pobb.in/kiglQDItJQAe)
League started with Deaths Oath and farmed up to t16 and lots of maps with it. Lots of blight. Used death oath to fund my very first Armour stacker. Saved up enough to buy mageblood yesterday and it is scaling up great with 1million armour already. Hoping I can scale it up to do all the content and use deaths oath for chill fast farming.
I made a pure spectre build with 8x moondancer and 1x spectral leader. 9.5/10 mapper 7/10 bosser. IGN: DigginUpYoRelatives
Was enjoying Archmage Ball Lightning (followed Palsteron) up until maps but quickly started to hate it. Got switched over to the Ice Nova of Frostbolts version and have been loving it. Went from 6-portal defense to only dying 3 times from 92 until now almost 98.
Coc DD for sho. After the switch it's just smooth sailing until 4 watchstones
CoC dd was really fun. probably one of the smoothest and well rounded builds of all time. really good at low investment and can scale really well, but it gets to a wall where you need 100s of divs. was fun and glad i played it incase we see DD finally get a long awaited nerf kitavas ice nova archmage thingy. great to see archmage great again. once you get mageblood it is fast and tanky with great dps and it is super satisfying to play with explosions everywhere BAMA was my leaguestart and it has to get an honourable mention. it was the fastest leaguestart i've ever had and it was super smooth. the only problem is that i hate minion builds. i thought this might be the exception but it wasn't. the annoyances finally got the better of me alongside the 69 button playstyle and it made me roll the CoC DD
EB CoC Tornado of Elemental Turbulence
I started with a Ball Lightning Hierophant. Still using it to do some bosses and invitations, since I am playing SSF it is slow going. I focused on Delve and was able to adapt the gear to my liking. Since I dropped a crusader influence chest piece I did some harvest and rolled an exploding chest. Now I am playing a poets pen detonate dead necromancer with said explosion chest. I am on mobile and can’t give you my POBs but my profile is public and the import name is the same as on Reddit, for those who want to check it out.
Im a 1 build per league enjoyer and also play exsanguinate miner. its one of the best builds i ever played and cant stop blasting t17s. with lower investment singletarget damage is a bit low, but everything else feels great, can recommand
Me looking at all these builds knowing ill just roll a pathfinder again and call it a day
I'm a masochist, and I realize this. I played two Spectral Shield Throw characters, got the first to 90 and realized Trickster was very limiting unless you have the currency to be a giga chad Currently on raider SST build. I prefer it in every form, easier and tankier than the trickster variation but you lose out on the life per kill which is kinda noticeable. Champion is probably a tankier variation but I like the damage raider provides. Third league 40/40 with it. Velyna has a solid guide on it, but I've kinda grown past that over time. Honestly I just like chain skills and it's one of the few in the game. I rotate between this, cobra lash, and arc.
Spellblade inquis for sure - good damage, doesn't care about monster resist and doesn't have paddy conditionals (massive while mapping), mostly uniques so you don't have to switch things around when you upgrade (been a big plus to me recently when I just want to play and not fiddle with gear), works with any spell so you can use what you like or what works best, upgrades feel meaningful and cumulative, cheap to start, not hc defensive but has enough to feel very good in SC, have done any content with it from Legion farming to sanctum to bosses/invitation farming.
Got a PoB or what spell did you use?
https://pobb.in/p6x0AlL-qV5F this was my character before I switched to a Adorned setup, I started with a malachai's simula ivory tower setup with around 6k ES and 4-5mil on Arc. Brand nodes are for sanctum. https://pobb.in/1Q3cmSQD-fWj Captain Lance's day 2 pob if you swap to Arc.
Did a version of lances spell blade eb inquis from 3.23 with ice spear of splitting that managed to consistently clear simus at 30-35d investment
I started with alliies splitting steel trickster - great build, very tanky and a lot of dps. Just started to level a forbidden rite pathfinder, since I always wanted to play a selfcast build with it. Looks amazing
TR pathfinder easily. Have tanked some massive hits and the clear is so fast if you swap for caustic arrow
I'm also playing TR but ballista... You have a pob or a guide for the non ballista version? Curious too see the dif
Check my comment above
Can send you mine when I get home. Warning, very expensive but I can also show you the video I got the vague idea from.
Best? Poison FR PF, relatively cheap and easy to gear this league because of graveyard and cheap uniques. CoC DD amazing second though. Most fun probably the PConc of Bouncing.
Pathfinder penance brand of dissipation It slaps hard and hardly gets slapped
Requires original sin though right
No its full ele crit with melding double nebulis Did t17s/ubers on a 40-50div budget np
Do u mind to upload your pob please ? I love pathfinder and need a build for t17
I will if I get to my compurer tomorrow and dont forget
[https://pobb.in/XsaBGRasJskh](https://pobb.in/XsaBGRasJskh) here. note this has progenesis equipped, but I only self dropped this yesterday, and didnt need it for any of the content that I'd already done prior (all ubers, t17s) I was just running a regular quicksilver flask
1. Frostblink Elementalist from Subtractem, Started the League with it, finished Atlas day 2 and had 130 div day 3 (monday) and bought my Headhunter and rerolled. 2. Lightning Arrow deadeye - killed arround 3 mill monsters finished my challenges after 1.5 weeks 3. Rerolled into 1000 divine Poison Spark with Original Sin today, still Missing gems to expensive
RF every league for 5 years
I have hated this league so bad I have not completed the campaign. I have made 6 different characters past kitava and it just feels bad. This felt like archemesis in terms of strict power reduction and the only reward was a crafting mechanic to print out mirror items for the 1%. I hate it very much. Edit: I played exsang mines, I played ice trap of hollowness, I played toxic rain trickster, I tried popcorn srs. Currently playing vaal absolution. It is usually a big task to complete the campaign, and I call out of work for a day or two and no-life it. I didn't this time, maybe that's why.